Simeons HCG protocol--July 2010

[sassy_red]

CHOCOLATE STEVIA?!

Girl you GOTTA spill on where you got that one!!!

[hcground1]

[quote=Bhambabe;13707980]

Originally Posted by wishbone

Sunflower Seed Crackers

Thanks so much for posting your recipes they look so good . I have gluten issues and my grandson who is four , has big problems with wheat, gluten,dairy,and soy. I hope your recipes are ones I can tweak with rice cheese and if it works for them , it will probably work for some pizza crust recipes I have . I am just starting P4 so it will be fun to test new recipes .

Your doing great on HCG, keep up the good work and thanks again .

Janeann

Try these! I made them for my kids for our road trip. I put choc chips (dairy free) on half the batch right as they came out of the oven and spread them around once they were melted. Then let them cool back down till they got hard again. Yum! No need to sprinkle them with sugar/cin, they're great without. Also, I used Earth Balance (there is a soy-free one) to replace the butter and WA-LA!

Gluten-Free Girl and the Chef: gluten-free graham crackers

[walkingwoman]

Originally Posted by sassy_red

CHOCOLATE STEVIA?!

Girl you GOTTA spill on where you got that one!!!

Netrition carries the Sweetleaf flavored stevias. I've seen them in my Whole foods and health food stores.

[Healthy and Happy]

I just read that Jenny Mathis, (on Youtube, lost 76 lbs. on hcg, looks amazing), replaces the melba for 5 mac nuts. She said it has sped up hers and others loss. Any thoughts?

[FatFatnomore]

The best advice I read on these threads before I started was to do your first round completely according to protocol. And then on your following rounds you can start tweaking if you feel like it and you'll have your first round losses to compare it to.

It was worded much better than the way I just said it though. I'm even confusing myself with the way I said it. lol

[Healthy and Happy]

Well I've already done away with the melba, just wondering if I'd be better off not replacing it w/ anything or replacing w/ the nuts.

[PaisleyMae]

Originally Posted by thin in 2010

I just read that Jenny Mathis, (on Youtube, lost 76 lbs. on hcg, looks amazing), replaces the melba for 5 mac nuts. She said it has sped up hers and others loss. Any thoughts?

I was just reading that too and made a decision. THIS IS NOT ON PROTOCOL, but I am going to switch things up and see if I can change my abysmal losses (1.5 lb in the last 10 days). I am going to cut fruits (already don't eat melba) and replace with fats. I think I may just be too IR for the 70g of carbs I have been getting some days. I will try this for the remainder of my round and see what happens. If I start to gain, I will obviously change back, but next Thursday is my LDW. Please do not attack me for going off protocol, and please don't remind me that I may not stabilize as well...I have only released a net of 1.5 lb in 10 days which means something is not working. I am not hungry so I do not think it is the hCG, I think it is my body and how it is reacting to what I am eating.

ETA: by not eating the melba, I have been under 500 cals some days and those days tend to lead to the worst losses or even to gains so I think I need to make sure I keep my cals at 500 or slightly over. I weigh everything and enter it into Calorie King (which I have been using ever since I started LC on 1/1/10) so I know the amounts are accurate.

[PaisleyMae]

Originally Posted by sassy_red

CHOCOLATE STEVIA?!

Girl you GOTTA spill on where you got that one!!!

Yea, I actually use the NOW brand, but as always (because I Netrition), it is from them!

[hcground1]

Good morning ladies. This morning was my first weigh in of P4, and I did have a gain, but yesterday was the day following a fast/steak dinner day, so I had a good release yesterday morning of 1.8 pounds. Yesterday I was 1# under LDW (123) and today I am just .2 under LDW (124) so I'm still good. Tomorrow will be the true 'teller of all things' in regards to how I'm doing with oats. I had leftover oatmeal from yesterdays breakfast (I love leftover oatmeal) so I popped it in the oven on some parchment paper with my morning sausage and heated them both up.

Lee Anne - I'm so sorry you're not down a bunch today. I was really hoping you would.

Mutant - I really wouldn't worry about how fast you've been losing. Even if it doesn't slow down. Dr. S. stated that the limit was 40# for those with a lot to lose right? So he was obviously seeing people who were losing that much in a short round, it sounds like you are one of them. I think there's a lot of ladies here who wish they were losing as rapidly as you.
And don't fret about stabilizing, it really isn't as hard as it seems. I was totally freaked out about it, but now that I'm through it, I realize how silly I was to worry. If you've followed protocol and not veered from it, you should have no problem. You just watch your weight every morning and adjust your food for the day accordingly, more protein, less fruit, etc. And we'll all be here to help you!

[PaisleyMae]

[QUOTE=hcground1;13709096] Lee Anne - I'm so sorry you're not down a bunch today. I was really hoping you would. [QUOTE]

I you hcground1! Always lookin' out for me I hope people don't vehemently disapprove of my decision to change what I am eating...only the scale will tell if it was a good idea or bad! I do think TOM is coming, but with mine it could be two weeks away and I might have cramps the whole while so IDK if I can blame my "recent" stall on that or not...

ETA: I don't know why I can't seem to shorten a quoted comment and still get it to show up in the special box...I just delete the stuff I don't want to include, is there some other trick?

[hcground1]

[quote=PaisleyMae;13709109][QUOTE=hcground1;13709096] Lee Anne - I'm so sorry you're not down a bunch today. I was really hoping you would.

I you hcground1! Always lookin' out for me I hope people don't vehemently disapprove of my decision to change what I am eating...only the scale will tell if it was a good idea or bad! I do think TOM is coming, but with mine it could be two weeks away and I might have cramps the whole while so IDK if I can blame my "recent" stall on that or not...

ETA: I don't know why I can't seem to shorten a quoted comment and still get it to show up in the special box...I just delete the stuff I don't want to include, is there some other trick?

No judgment coming from me! I ate ground turkey breast through my P2 because it had the same info as the ground chicken breast, but was $1 cheaper! If it works for you it works. No one here should judge, we're all grown-ups, right?

[sassy_red]

Leeann for the quoted part be sure, in the last [ quote ] box, to put a / before "quote", so that it looks like [ /quote ] (without the spaces). The / is what closes the quote box.

[sassy_red]

Ooh, another question! (I'm full of 'em lol) P3 is basically low-carb and I've found I lose easily (barring TOM *mumblegrumble*): is it okay to continue losing in P3? I know it's meant to "set" our weight (reset the hypothalamus) but is it bad if we continue losing (at a slower rate obviously)?

[mybigbutt]

Originally Posted by thin in 2010

Well I've already done away with the melba, just wondering if I'd be better off not replacing it w/ anything or replacing w/ the nuts.

I'm a little worried that eliminating the melba might make me have a tougher time with carbs in P4 (not sure if it will really affect it or not), but I would be worried about adding something like mac nuts since they are high in fat and we are supposed to be eliminating as much fat as we can in R2. I was looking for a GF alterative to melba but the one I found was double the calories of the regular melba so I opted to not eat it.

[mybigbutt]

Originally Posted by sassy_red

Ooh, another question! (I'm full of 'em lol) P3 is basically low-carb and I've found I lose easily (barring TOM *mumblegrumble*): is it okay to continue losing in P3? I know it's meant to "set" our weight (reset the hypothalamus) but is it bad if we continue losing (at a slower rate obviously)?

No, you are supposed to keep within 2 lbs up or down in P3.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by sassy_red

Ooh, another question! (I'm full of 'em lol) P3 is basically low-carb and I've found I lose easily (barring TOM *mumblegrumble*): is it okay to continue losing in P3? I know it's meant to "set" our weight (reset the hypothalamus) but is it bad if we continue losing (at a slower rate obviously)?

No, you don't want to lose in P3 at all. You need to stay within 2 pounds above or below your Last Dose Weight (LDW). The theory is that your leftover fat is redistributed and I know in P3 that I lose more inches. You are re-setting your hypothalamus to your new, lower weight. It would not reset if you continue losing. Plus, your body needs a break after P2. HTH

[hcground1]

Originally Posted by sassy_red

Ooh, another question! (I'm full of 'em lol) P3 is basically low-carb and I've found I lose easily (barring TOM *mumblegrumble*): is it okay to continue losing in P3? I know it's meant to "set" our weight (reset the hypothalamus) but is it bad if we continue losing (at a slower rate obviously)?

You are not supposed to go above or below your last dose weight (LDW) in P3. It is important because you're creating a new 'set point' where your body will automatically want to be, even if you gain a bit. So, no, you should not continue to lose in P3, not more than the 2 pounds.

[Terilynn]

I have read and read and read the protocol - can someone please point me in the direction where it states that 40 pounds is okay for someone who has a lot to lose. I want to do it by the book and if that is the case I might go for a longer P2....but so far I can not find that anywhere.


edited.... nevermind, found it, right under my nose!

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Terilynn

I have read and read and read the protocol - can someone please point me in the direction where it states that 40 pounds is okay for someone who has a lot to lose. I want to do it by the book and if that is the case I might go for a longer P2....but so far I can not find that anywhere.

If you are doing injections then you want to stick with the 34 pound rule. With homeopathic people stay on it for pretty much as long as they want. There is no immunity issues with the homeopathic hcg. I've known people on here who have gone 50+ days in P2. I personally couldn't do it - I stick to short rounds!! If you get to 34 pounds in your first round I'd say that is an accomplishment!

[Gilded Lily]

Leanne, I'm wondering if your hcg product could have become contaminated somehow? I've read that's possible with the drops. Honey, you've got to do what you've got to do. I wish this would have worked better for you. We all love your vlogs.

[Healthy and Happy]

Lee Anne, I can't wait to hear your progress with the switch up, keep vlogging!

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by PaisleyMae

I was just reading that too and made a decision. THIS IS NOT ON PROTOCOL, but I am going to switch things up and see if I can change my abysmal losses (1.5 lb in the last 10 days). I am going to cut fruits (already don't eat melba) and replace with fats. I think I may just be too IR for the 70g of carbs I have been getting some days. I will try this for the remainder of my round and see what happens. If I start to gain, I will obviously change back, but next Thursday is my LDW. Please do not attack me for going off protocol, and please don't remind me that I may not stabilize as well...I have only released a net of 1.5 lb in 10 days which means something is not working. I am not hungry so I do not think it is the hCG, I think it is my body and how it is reacting to what I am eating.

ETA: by not eating the melba, I have been under 500 cals some days and those days tend to lead to the worst losses or even to gains so I think I need to make sure I keep my cals at 500 or slightly over. I weigh everything and enter it into Calorie King (which I have been using ever since I started LC on 1/1/10) so I know the amounts are accurate.

I definitely think there is something "off" because even if the hcg wasn't working you are still only eating 500 calories/day and should have lost more. I have read that if you go over the max. amount of hcg (175 iu/day) it has an "opposite" effect and can make you stall or gain. I don't know what dose you are on but Dr. Simeons recommended everyone start at 125 iu/day and only increase every 5 days up to 175 iu/day if needed.

Also, are you using any oils, sunscreens, lotions, or spices that could be off-protocol?

I don't think the answer is to go off protocol but to figure out "why" something is not working. Of course, you can do whatever you want with no judgement from me.

[Terilynn]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

If you are doing injections then you want to stick with the 34 pound rule. With homeopathic people stay on it for pretty much as long as they want. There is no immunity issues with the homeopathic hcg. I've known people on here who have gone 50+ days in P2. I personally couldn't do it - I stick to short rounds!! If you get to 34 pounds in your first round I'd say that is an accomplishment!

LOL - I am with you. I think 21 (well 23 days) is about all that I can take of the 500 calories. I need to switch it up. I am thinking that is one great thing about this plan......always changing.

Question about calories.

I have went to calorie web sites and found how many calories in most things, but meat is very controversial...... how many darn calories worth of meat are we supposed to eat? I have not found a good web site for meat. I know, I know.... 100gms, but how many calories is 100 grams?

Also - veggie volumn...... what is the "average" serving size?

I found it really wierd that you only get 1/2 grapefruit - calorie wise that is a lot less calories than the apple, orange or handful of strawberries.

[sassy_red]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

No, you don't want to lose in P3 at all. You need to stay within 2 pounds above or below your Last Dose Weight (LDW). The theory is that your leftover fat is redistributed and I know in P3 that I lose more inches. You are re-setting your hypothalamus to your new, lower weight. It would not reset if you continue losing. Plus, your body needs a break after P2. HTH

Yes it does, thank you. Lol great, now I worry about sustaining in P3!! I'm timing it I'll be visiting my sister in Canada smack in the middle of P3 but she's health conscious; I'm sure she'd be willing to help limit starches and sugars the week I'm there.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by wishbone

I really believe the PURPOSE of P4 is to teach/reteach us normal eating patterns. To teach us that's ok to occasionaly splurge on a meals/food. But to do it with a degree of intelligence. Plan It. Do It. Adjust It. Slender people overeat also....they just don't continue to do it!!! It takes dicipline. If you know you are going out to dinner...you usually know the day ahead of time. Lighten up...go to that dinner...lighten up the next day. We cannot have the mindset of...gosh! I blew it!!!
Everyone of us has to get past that. If we have the dicipline to do this in this 1st place...then we have definately earned the desire to stay there.

JAN

[PaisleyMae]

Originally Posted by Gilded Lily

Leanne, I'm wondering if your hcg product could have become contaminated somehow? I've read that's possible with the drops. Honey, you've got to do what you've got to do. I wish this would have worked better for you. We all love your vlogs.

Hi Gilded Lily I use Rx sublingual and I am not hungry at all so I don't think there is anything wrong with it...who knows though! I am not going to go off hCG even if I only lose 2 lb/week that is more than I have been losing on LC alone, I am just going to tinker until I figure it out!

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by sassy_red

MMo4, serious congrats on your weight loss!!! Incredibly inspiring and I'm crossing my fingers I can do something similar when my time comes!!

The way you described it makes me wonder if there's a maximum amount of weight a person can lose on this diet? I didn't remember reading that in the protoc but I've only read it once then skimmed parts I needed. Is one's goal supposed to be finite? Still, SUPER congrats lady, you're a total inspiration!!!

ETA: What day are you on (diet-wise)?

We never give a treatment lasting less than 26 days, even in patients needing to lose only 5 pounds. It seems that even in the mildest cases of obesity the diencephalon requires about three weeks rest from the maximal exertion to which it has been previously subjected in order to regain fully its normal fat-banking capacity. Clinically this expresses itself, in the fact that, when in these mild cases, treatment is stopped as soon as the weight is normal, which may be achieved in a week, it is much more easily regained than after a full course of 23 injection

When a patient has more than 15 pounds to lose the treatment takes longer but the maximum we give in a single course is 40 injections, nor do we as a rule allow patients to lose more than 34 lbs. (15 Kg.) at a time. The treatment is stopped when either 34 lbs. have been lost or 40 injections have been given. The only exception we make is in the case of grotesquely obese patients who may be allowed to lose an additional 5-6 lbs. if this occurs before the 40 injections are up.

if you lose 34 pounds before the minimum 23 dosing days (which would be incredible!!) up your calories to about 800 (probably another P2 friendly meal) and finish your 23 days then your 2 o 3 days very low calorie with out dosing and go into P3

[PaisleyMae]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

I definitely think there is something "off" because even if the hcg wasn't working you are still only eating 500 calories/day and should have lost more. I have read that if you go over the max. amount of hcg (175 iu/day) it has an "opposite" effect and can make you stall or gain. I don't know what dose you are on but Dr. Simeons recommended everyone start at 125 iu/day and only increase every 5 days up to 175 iu/day if needed.

Also, are you using any oils, sunscreens, lotions, or spices that could be off-protocol?

I don't think the answer is to go off protocol but to figure out "why" something is not working. Of course, you can do whatever you want with no judgement from me.

Hey Gracie I am doing sublingual so you do take more since it isn't as directly absorbed as injection, but it could DEFINITELY be the problem as you pointed out!! That thought occurred to me, but then I thought since I was using the standard for people who do sublingual it was probably ok...bad assumption I guess! I am going to try lowering my amount for the next 8 days and see what happens. Next round I am injecting so I will be able to measure more accurately and will only be dosing the one time a day. How ironic would it be if that was in fact the problem?!?!? You are so wise And I really appreciate the encouragement! I will not add fat, but may drop a fruit and up the protein a tad in the mean time, just for my own piece of mind...

Still been doing no oils, my spices are all good, and no lotions of sunscreens with oil.

[Healthy and Happy]

I just made the strawberry sorbet, OMGosh is it good! I used a cup of frozen strawberries, juice of half a lemon, vanilla stevia, and 1 TB fat free greek yogurt, (instead of allowed TB milk). YUMMY!!!

[debkeversole]

R5P2D18 and i am down another full pound to 279 new decade and if i am still in it tomorrow i will claim it!! Steven is still the same but he had a good loss yesterday

last night was horrible TOM cramps at about 3 am DH had seen me suffer enough and made me take one of his pain pills leftover from his surgery i got to sleep in about 3 hour intervals TOM was over a week early and i never have cramps like this hoping it is a one tome fluke

Marci LOOKING GOOD!!