Simeons HCG protocol--July 2010

[FatFatnomore]

Gwyn, I stopped eating the grissini after the first few weeks because I wasn't hungry anymore and Dr. S said you can leave off anything if you're not hungry. I don't think it made me overly carb sensitive at all.

[Healthy and Happy]

I think a rice cake would be a good gluten free replacement.

[PaisleyMae]

Alright, alright, I am going to consider adding my wasa back in

[PaisleyMae]

Originally Posted by FatFatnomore

Gwyn, I stopped eating the grissini after the first few weeks because I wasn't hungry anymore and Dr. S said you can leave off anything if you're not hungry. I don't think it made me overly carb sensitive at all.

Yay! Thanks for posting that, I was getting nervous with all this talk I think hcground1 is totally on target though, we all have to figure out what works best for our bodies! We will all likely lose on 500 calories, but we have to determine what makes us most satisfied and what we want in our long term WOE!

[RenoMom]

Just an FYI, I bought some red wine vinegar with garlic last night, made by Star.
Very good on cukes,tomatoes, and lettuce.

[FatFatnomore]

Originally Posted by gwynhyvar

I *can't* eat either the melbas or the breadsticks, as I'm allergic to wheat. Dr. S. didn't give any alternatives for folks like me, so I'm SOL when it comes to a replacement. OR I can use my best judgment and put in something similar that's wheat-free. But then that's considered a tweak? So I leave it out and chance becoming overly carb-sensitive. What do I do? It gives me a headache to think about it.

I've seen similar arguments about Splenda vs. Stevia. Or turkey breast vs. chicken breast and bison vs. hamburger. Not to mention grass-fed and conventional/CFAO meat. And other things that weren't around in 1852 in Italy. Where do you draw the line(s)?

BTW Gwyn...I'm pretty sure it wasn't 1852...lmao. Thank you, I totally needed that laugh this afternoon.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by hcground1

I have heard differing opinions on this one as well... Here goes.

Are you supposed to eat the melba during P3? I've seen some people (on another site) keep eating it, and some don't.

It is very confusing, when everyone is doing things a bit differently. We all have to decide for ourselves what we are willing to risk, but should try our best not to judge those who do things differently. I am asking for advice on what you all do during P3 about the melbas, but I won't let anyone's response decide for me. I am going to take into consideration every viewpoint I learn, and make an educated decision on my own.

I chose to eat the melbas in P2 for the same reason as Dawn was discussing. I've learned from others who have left things out (the melba, one fruit, etc.) and have had a near impossible time stabilizing in P3/P4.

I would not--and I don't!! Dr S says no starches--that is exactly what melba is!!! It is a starch. Don't continue to eat it!!! Hold off until P4.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by gwynhyvar

I *can't* eat either the melbas or the breadsticks, as I'm allergic to wheat. Dr. S. didn't give any alternatives for folks like me, so I'm SOL when it comes to a replacement. OR I can use my best judgment and put in something similar that's wheat-free. But then that's considered a tweak? So I leave it out and chance becoming overly carb-sensitive. What do I do? It gives me a headache to think about it.

I've seen similar arguments about Splenda vs. Stevia. Or turkey breast vs. chicken breast and bison vs. hamburger. Not to mention grass-fed and conventional/CFAO meat. And other things that weren't around in 1852 in Italy. Where do you draw the line(s)?

Exactly!!! Read too much into it and you really can make yourself crazy. You have to decide for yourself what you are willing to do. And if you need to have chicken broth because you are darn near hungry and want some of your DD's biscuit that she didn't finish, then by all means have the broth!! Better choice!!! Much better choice!!! Or if the WF dressing makes you have the veggies at all, then by all means have it.

Now remember what he also said later in the protocol---if you want to leave anything out, then you may do so!!! And I don't think they had many gluten insensitive people back then--did they even recognize that way back when??? All I can say is I feel for you. I don't have the condition--even though my doc suspects I am gluten sensitive, and never had a problem with the melba or grissini.

[mutantmomof4]

Ok, guys...here we go! I took my first 10 drops 11 minutes ago, I have grits with butter and cheese, eggs and bacon cooking right now. I can't eat until 6:15 but I am now a full blown member! My 24 hr period starts and ends at 5:30P each evening...

I've gone shopping and am ready for the VLCDs...fatbegone!

[siciliangirl]

I'm on R1 vlcd2 and up 0.4 pounds. I was 204 before I loaded and 199.4 yesterday. Thinking it may have been the Truvia I used yesterday since I was out of plain Stevia. I have since remedied th at problem. However, I was ravenous this morning!! I ate my fruit at 7am and a melba toast at 10am...and was hungry until after lunch.

If I've eaten all of my food servings (protein, fruit, veggies, melba) and I'm still under 500 calories, can I eat anything else? If so, what should it be? Thanks everyone! I love reading all of the posts here; very helpful!

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by siciliangirl

I'm on R1 vlcd2 and up 0.4 pounds. I was 204 before I loaded and 199.4 yesterday. Thinking it may have been the Truvia I used yesterday since I was out of plain Stevia. I have since remedied th at problem. However, I was ravenous this morning!! I ate my fruit at 7am and a melba toast at 10am...and was hungry until after lunch.

If I've eaten all of my food servings (protein, fruit, veggies, melba) and I'm still under 500 calories, can I eat anything else? If so, what should it be? Thanks everyone! I love reading all of the posts here; very helpful!

yup fill in the rest of that with veggies lots of your veggie will just have a little calories you are still way early in your round or i would say have an extra half serving of protein if the hunger continues past the first week that is what i would do hang in there do you have any yerbe mate tea?

oh and CONGRATULATIONS!! on entering ONEDERLAND!! WHOOHOO!!:h igh5:

[Gilded Lily]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

yup fill in the rest of that with veggies lots of your veggie will just have a little calories you are still way early in your round or i would say have an extra half serving of protein if the hunger continues past the first week that is what i would do hang in there do you have any yerbe mate tea?

oh and CONGRATULATIONS!! on entering ONEDERLAND!! WHOOHOO!!:h igh5:

I have never heard of yerbe mate tea... had to google. Where can you buy it?

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by Gilded Lily

I have never heard of yerbe mate tea... had to google. Where can you buy it?

online or i got some at Earth Fare really helps with the cravings and gives you energy oh and i think i got some already sweetened with stevia at the vitamin shoppe!
they have a chocolate one!

[siciliangirl]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

yup fill in the rest of that with veggies lots of your veggie will just have a little calories you are still way early in your round or i would say have an extra half serving of protein if the hunger continues past the first week that is what i would do hang in there do you have any yerbe mate tea?

oh and CONGRATULATIONS!! on entering ONEDERLAND!! WHOOHOO!!:h igh5:

Yes, I tried Yerbe Mate tea for the first time yesterday. Trying to give up the coffee and i yerbe mate does have some caffeine. However, it must be an acquired taste. I've tried it several times and just had to chug it. So, I used one yerbe mate tea bag with a separate herbal tea bag, and it tasted much better to me. Any other way to make it taste better?

BTW...thanks!! I'm so happy to be back in Onederland. It has been way too long!!

[Ladidah]

I got my drops today. I really don't have any foods around for loading. I didn't expect the drops to arrive so quickly so I didn't shop. What should I buy to load?

[Healthy and Happy]

Ladidah, I posted my loading menu this AM, I think it's on the last page. You want to eat lots of things high in good fats but stay away from simple carbs/sugars.

[hay]

i ate a decent amount of simple carbs while loading and i actually did quite fine. if you have a craving for something, by all means HAVE IT because p2 is deprivation of a lot of things!

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by Ladidah

I got my drops today. I really don't have any foods around for loading. I didn't expect the drops to arrive so quickly so I didn't shop. What should I buy to load?

ANYTHING you are going to miss!

full fat dairy products, nuts, oils, avocados whipped cream, ice cream, fries, cheesecake eggs, sausages BACON!oh KFC mashed potatoes and gravy i wish i had remembered that this weekend!


quick google turned this up

Below is a sample “Gorging” diet:
Breakfast: Cream Cheese Bagel with bacon and sausage and a ham & cheese omelet.
Mid-morning: Donuts with whipped cream and strawberries
Lunch: Pork Chop, potato with sour cram, a roll with butter and a buttered vegetable
Mid-afternoon: Ice Cream with Oreos and or Twinkies
Dinner: Fettuccini, cheese bread, a salad w/ blue cheese dressing & cheesecake
Late-night Snack: Ice cream or frozen cappuccino

[debkeversole]

another good page

This is your free pass for 2 days to seriously PIG OUT!

1. Do NOT try to limit your food during these days; the fattening food is necessary for the diet to work correctly, and more importantly to re-establish the structural fat that’s been reduced or lost by years of fad-dieting. The more you eat, the better results you are going to have. Those who do not load to the fullest also experience difficult hunger pains throughout the protocol. You SHOULD gain weight on the loading days, you will lose it all within the first week, probably even the first 2 days!

2. It may seem impossible to load yourself with really fatty, unhealthy items (especially if you’re on your second or third round of the protocol) and by the end of the first day your going to be thinking “OM Gosh! What was I thinking”, but here is a list of healthy items you can load on that are high in fat You want high fat foods not necessarily high sugar foods. But of course those two seem to go hand and hand.

* Healthy Cold Pressed Oils

* Drizzle Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Sesame Oil, Coconut Oil on everything!

* Avocados : 26.5 grams for just one of these beauties…slather some Veganaise in the pit dent and eat with a spoon!!!

* Nuts: Especially Walnuts, Macadamia Nuts, Pecans, Pine Nuts, in that order, can really boost your fat gram load

* Nut Butters & Tahini

* Seeds: Sesame, Sunflower, Pumpkin are all great!

* Coconut: The oil, the milk, the meat … fabulous! May also contribute to healing thyroid gland.

* Olives: Green or black, and stuff them with Tahini!

* Eat foods that you crave that are especially high in fat such as Dairy Queen, cakes, cookies, custards, creams, pastries, chocolate, etc. as it has a psychological effect of saying good bye (for now!)

* Focus on high caloric creamy foods.

* Drink whatever you want on your load days; including soda, beer, wine, sake, etc.

3. Be sure to take pictures and measurements at this beginning stage so you can see the difference in your body and watch those inches melt away! The best thing to remember is to always measure in the same location. Also, if you do not have a measuring tape available, use twine or cording to take the measurements, and mark with a black permanent marker…watch the lines get smaller and smaller.

4. If you are concerned about cheating, go through your pantry and cupboards and remove anything that might tempt you. Donate the food, do not THROW it away.

5. Dr. Simeons specifically lists milk chocolate, pastries with whipped cream, sugar, fried meats (particularly pork), eggs and bacon, mayonnaise, bread with thick butter and jam, etc. We recommend you eat at least SOME of these foods.

6. Get your kitchen prepared with the food that is on the low calorie protocol, make sure you have a scale to weigh yourself daily, have a food scale for weighing your protein portions. fruits, vegs, spices and seasonings.

7. The BEST suggestion is to read, and re-read, Dr. Simeons manuscript. Take the time to print it out, read it, and highlight important sections. Then you can prepare your grocery list for the protocol ahead.

HAPPY Gorging! HAPPY Losing!

the higher fat loads seem to result in less hunger and carb detox symptoms ENJOY!!

[debkeversole]

video with before after round one and after round 2 pictures she did great!

YouTube - Before & After R2

[Gilded Lily]

Thanks for the info.

Love the video. So inspiring!!!

[kimberlybimberly]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Thanks for bringing that up!! I forgot about that. So those foods should not be eaten raw? The cabbage, radishes, strawberries and spinach?? I cooked my spinach, cabbage and radishes on P2. But not strawberries!!!!

Dawn, I will try to find you a source. But, right, cooking them somehow eliminates the goiterogenic properties. That's for the veggies - unsure about the strawberries.

Foods that affect your thyroid in a negative way!

This is from LCF's thyroid boards. I have found similar info googling around. As always, YMMV!!

[ncgirl37]

I am back from vacation and up three whopping pounds. I forgot to take my hcg with me..I know it sucked! I was on vacation for about four days and gained three pounds so now back on track and deflating hopefully.

[kimberlybimberly]

Originally Posted by mutantmomof4

I am going to go back and re-read the protocol tonight, we have to cook all of our veggies? Who cooks radishes and how? I would think that veggies would be better raw

We are talking about how people with hypothyroidism should/could/might eat on a regular basis. This has nothing to do with protocol (except, if there are hypos who are affected negatively by these foods during everyday eating, THEY should remember that while they are doing protocol).

Sorry for any confusion.

[Joyful111]

Originally Posted by gwynhyvar

I *can't* eat either the melbas or the breadsticks, as I'm allergic to wheat. Dr. S. didn't give any alternatives for folks like me, so I'm SOL when it comes to a replacement. OR I can use my best judgment and put in something similar that's wheat-free. But then that's considered a tweak? So I leave it out and chance becoming overly carb-sensitive. What do I do? It gives me a headache to think about it.

I've seen similar arguments about Splenda vs. Stevia. Or turkey breast vs. chicken breast and bison vs. hamburger. Not to mention grass-fed and conventional/CFAO meat. And other things that weren't around in 1852 in Italy. Where do you draw the line(s)?

Hi, I have celiac disease and can't eat the melba or grissini either. I take great comfort in the fact that Dr. S said it was okay to omit any food. Personally I don't expect to have any problems stabilizing. My body is used to my grain free lifestyle and I have no plans to ever deviate from that. Just getting this weight off is miracle enough for me. I don't expect the protocol to heal all of my food intolerance issues too!

I bet you'll do just fine in P4.

[walkingwoman]

I had a yummy salad for dinner. I used raw spinach, chicken breast, sliced strawberries and made a strawberry salad dressing as follows:
½ cup strawberries
1 teaspoon mustard
2 tablespoons red wine vinegar
little garlic, salt and pepper

Whirled this up in my food processor and added a little water at the end to have a nice consistancy. This made a decent amount and I will use it again later in the week so I added a few sliced strawberries to my salad. I suppose you could add sweetner or use a sf davincis (if you're using those products) but my berries were plenty sweet to begin with

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by kimberlybimberly

Dawn, I will try to find you a source. But, right, cooking them somehow eliminates the goiterogenic properties. That's for the veggies - unsure about the strawberries.

Foods that affect your thyroid in a negative way!

This is from LCF's thyroid boards. I have found similar info googling around. As always, YMMV!!

No need for a source. I have heard of it before since I have frequented that forum for a while. That thread was most interesting!! Thanks for sharing. And yes, as long as we remember that just because these veggies/fruits/foods are on a list, we will have different reactions to them. I have not noticed a reaction to eating any while raw, but never thought to look. Most interesting!!!

[RenoMom]

Originally Posted by walkingwoman

I had a yummy salad for dinner. I used raw spinach, chicken breast, sliced strawberries and made a strawberry salad dressing as follows:
½ cup strawberries
1 teaspoon mustard
2 tablespoons red wine vinegar
little garlic, salt and pepper

Whirled this up in my food processor and added a little water at the end to have a nice consistancy. This made a decent amount and I will use it again later in the week so I added a few sliced strawberries to my salad. I suppose you could add sweetner or use a sf davincis (if you're using those products) but my berries were plenty sweet to begin with

Thanks for sharing, this sounds wonderful.

[nifer6]

Originally Posted by ncgirl37

I am back from vacation and up three whopping pounds. I forgot to take my hcg with me..I know it sucked! I was on vacation for about four days and gained three pounds so now back on track and deflating hopefully.

Welcome back girl...sorry about your setback. Jump right back in there!

[hcground1]

Steak day was much easier than I thought it would be. Why does it seem I'm always more productive in the kitchen when I'm fasting or on vlcd? I made a huge batch of meatballs for the freezer. Having house guests for the next few days so it will be good to have something quick to pop in the oven. My steak and apple were very yummy, and I'm hoping for a nice drop in the morning. Will let you all know!