Simeons HCG protocol--July 2010

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by thin in 2010

Hmmm, so you think I should start dosing?

I could spray tonight, and twice tomorrow, (the spray is just twice daily). That would give me 3 doses before P2 day #1. I'm doing OK with the loading so far, low carb, high fat, not too miserable yet, just full.

Yes, I would dose while loading too. I use the same spray as you

[mutantmomof4]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Your welcome sweetie!! I was impressed with a past poster too. She did the same whenever anyone would post about tweaking protocol!! She said the same as I do "if it is NOT on the list do NOT do it!" It is her "voice" I hear in my head as I do my P2s!!! I cannot get her out of my head and she was my voice of reason. She got me to where I am today and I am just trying to pass along what helped me. Her name was DeeDee (Diana) if you have seen her past posts. And it took me like 10 times to see it before I would believe it!! I finally got it through my thick head what she was saying was true. I liked her style--simple and to the point. I cannot get any hints unless you hit me over the head!!!!! I have to be told exactly what to do.

Ok, if I posted one thing about tweeking protocol (which I see quite a bit of in this vine) I guess being brash would be expected, I am simply asking questions and basing my comments on what I've read...or what I understand, I'm here to get guidence, I've not once stated anything about tweeking anything, my foods will be clean, I will not add anything other than what is on his list, I have no intention of doing anything to make this work less for me...I'm 100% in. One can be direct without being rude or harsh IMHO, I'm here to learn so that I do this correctly, not to be bashed because I might not have understood a portion of the protocol correctly.

[mutantmomof4]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

stopping dosing during TOM is mostly for the RX injections i didn't stop while on homeopathic or on sublingual RX but i also only did the short rounds if doing the longer definitely with the RX skip injections during TOM and probably one day a week so that you don't build immunity to it

from what i have read you don't build immunity with the homeopatic

Thanks, so I will hit the ground running and not stop dosing.

[mutantmomof4]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Thanks for bringing that up!! I forgot about that. So those foods should not be eaten raw? The cabbage, radishes, strawberries and spinach?? I cooked my spinach, cabbage and radishes on P2. But not strawberries!!!!

I am going to go back and re-read the protocol tonight, we have to cook all of our veggies? Who cooks radishes and how? I would think that veggies would be better raw

[PaisleyMae]

Originally Posted by mutantmomof4

I am going to go back and re-read the protocol tonight, we have to cook all of our veggies? Who cooks radishes and how? I would think that veggies would be better raw

As far as I know you do not have to cook your veggies. A lot of people seem to roast or steam the radishes, I tried it though and didn't love it, although I don't really like radishes to begin with , hah.

[soontobesexy'ntx]

question
In P&I the Dr said
only use sacrine (Swet & low) or stevia
and no dressings
but I see alot of peeps saying they use Walden Farms
(which uses splenda) or Braggs
can we use these or not
(dont want to screw up my chance to lose weight when my drops get here)

[mutantmomof4]

Originally Posted by soontobesexy'ntx

question
In P&I the Dr said
only use sacrine (Swet & low) or stevia
and no dressings
but I see alot of peeps saying they use Walden Farms
(which uses splenda) or Braggs
can we use these or not
(dont want to screw up my chance to lose weight when my drops get here)

This is exactly what I mean about seeing quite a few posts here tweeking what is in the protocol and not being flamed...I ask a simple question and seem to have angered the board I have the protocol in front of me, nowhere does it say you can have wf dressings. There are some that state you can have CO during P2 when it is very clear that we should stay away from those digestible oils. Confusing

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by mutantmomof4

I am going to go back and re-read the protocol tonight, we have to cook all of our veggies? Who cooks radishes and how? I would think that veggies would be better raw

no her response was about having thyroid problems you can cook your veggies or have them raw on protocol

that said a great treat and i mean great is to biol your radishes to death! and i mean change the water a couple of times until they are almost all white then take your beef portion and the boiled to death radishes(drained ) put your favorite roast spices in with it and slow cook it for a good while(like you would a full size roast) My DH thought they were new potatoes! and that we were cheating! so now i boil them like that and then go ahead and cook them like i would whole potatoes!

[Gilded Lily]

Well, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I ordered my drops last week and just got a notice from the seller (super fast shipping!) that they were shipped THIS MORNING. Oh well.

I'm going to keep reading and learning from y'all.

[PaisleyMae]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

no her response was about having thyroid problems you can cook your veggies or have them raw on protocol

that said a great treat and i mean great is to biol your radishes to death! and i mean change the water a couple of times until they are almost all white then take your beef portion and the boiled to death radishes(drained ) put your favorite roast spices in with it and slow cook it for a good while(like you would a full size roast) My DH thought they were new potatoes! and that we were cheating! so now i boil them like that and then go ahead and cook them like i would whole potatoes!

I see now! I will have to try again! I guess I didn't "kill" them enough to taste better, hehe!

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by PaisleyMae

I see now! I will have to try again! I guess I didn't "kill" them enough to taste better, hehe!

takes that radish BITE right out of it and makes them quite mild!

[MistyLoo]

Deb, that sounds interesting. I love radishes but they don't love me. Are you using just the round red ones? I see all different varities in the stores now.

[dawnyama]

I also must say that deb has some great ideas!! I tried the celery soup she sent me. I hate celery but when I cooked it in the soup (and cooked it to death!!) I could eat it!! Sometimes you have to try new things new ways and it works. I roast my radishes. I boil them, not quite to the extent that Deb does!!, and then roast them. Mighty tasty!!

[mutantmomof4]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

no her response was about having thyroid problems you can cook your veggies or have them raw on protocol

that said a great treat and i mean great is to biol your radishes to death! and i mean change the water a couple of times until they are almost all white then take your beef portion and the boiled to death radishes(drained ) put your favorite roast spices in with it and slow cook it for a good while(like you would a full size roast) My DH thought they were new potatoes! and that we were cheating! so now i boil them like that and then go ahead and cook them like i would whole potatoes!

This is very intersting, do you think that you have cooked all the nutrients out of the radishes by perparing them this way? Do they retain their original flavor (I LOVE radishes). I am certainly going to try this, however, I will stay away from beef, only eating chicken and seafood (shrimp and white fish) I will probably stick mostly to the seafood though, I'm not big on eating chicken.

Ok, for my load days

B - lots of bacon and eggs cooked in the bacon grease with cheddar cheese on the eggs, grits with lots of real butter and tons of cheese

L - 4 ounces of a brick cheese 100% fat beef hamburger

Snack(s) chicken wings with no sauce, cheesecake, cheese, whipped cream, I will attempt to consume an entire can of whipped cream during the two days of loading, boiled eggs, mixed nuts, salmon, olives,

D- Prime rib, pork ribs, avocado (several I love these and can eat them like candy)

Any other suggestions? I'm going shopping tonight!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by soontobesexy'ntx

question
In P&I the Dr said
only use sacrine (Swet & low) or stevia
and no dressings
but I see alot of peeps saying they use Walden Farms
(which uses splenda) or Braggs
can we use these or not
(dont want to screw up my chance to lose weight when my drops get here)

Personally I did try the Walden Farms because I wanted so much to have lettuce as my veggie. I love my salads and wanted to continue eating them on P2. I could not find one salad dressing I liked so I gave up and did not have lettuce as my veggie of choice. As far as Braggs liquid aminos--you could count it as a spice. There is a recipe for a dressing/marinade using that and it is quite good. If you decide to include these items the calories must be counted. And I did go and buy the liquid stevia for my tea. I enjoyed all the flavors I tried--expensive as they are!!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by mutantmomof4

This is very intersting, do you think that you have cooked all the nutrients out of the radishes by perparing them this way? Do they retain their original flavor (I LOVE radishes). I am certainly going to try this, however, I will stay away from beef, only eating chicken and seafood (shrimp and white fish) I will probably stick mostly to the seafood though, I'm not big on eating chicken.

Ok, for my load days

B - lots of bacon and eggs cooked in the bacon grease with cheddar cheese on the eggs, grits with lots of real butter and tons of cheese

L - 4 ounces of a brick cheese 100% fat beef hamburger

Snack(s) chicken wings with no sauce, cheesecake, cheese, whipped cream, I will attempt to consume an entire can of whipped cream during the two days of loading, boiled eggs, mixed nuts, salmon, olives,

D- Prime rib, pork ribs, avocado (several I love these and can eat them like candy)

Any other suggestions? I'm going shopping tonight!

I think you have it covered!! You will be surprised how much you can/will actually get down. The thought of eating anything on the hhcg will be unappealing. Good thing to eat what you are unable to eat while on P2 re the pork ribs and wings. I did the same--had pork and turkey, as well as fatty ground beef. Happy loading!!!

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by MistyLoo

Deb, that sounds interesting. I love radishes but they don't love me. Are you using just the round red ones? I see all different varities in the stores now.

just the reg old radishes round and about the size of small new potoatoes
Dawn!:blush:

[mutantmomof4]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Personally I did try the Walden Farms because I wanted so much to have lettuce as my veggie. I love my salads and wanted to continue eating them on P2. I could not find one salad dressing I liked so I gave up and did not have lettuce as my veggie of choice. As far as Braggs liquid aminos--you could count it as a spice. There is a recipe for a dressing/marinade using that and it is quite good. If you decide to include these items the calories must be counted. And I did go and buy the liquid stevia for my tea. I enjoyed all the flavors I tried--expensive as they are!!

Is this not tweeking the protocol?

My dh just called to tell me I HAVE A PACKAGE AT HOME....MY HCG IS THERE....OHHHHHHHH I CAN'T WAIT.....

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by RenoMom

I am Hypo and have heard that things like this broccoli soy etc, but I believe there is new research that states it may not be bad for us as once thought.
All I can say is I have had (cooked) cabbage a lot and I ate some strawberries just last night, and nothing has slowed me down yet

But we were talking raw!! Cole slaw is certainly raw. I had cooked cabbage and tomatoes (known stallers to some on P2) throughout my P2s and did well with them. I loved my strawberries too. And I had the spinach shake several times--that is raw too. Just commenting on the thryoid raw veggies connection. Forgot about that!! I hope it isn't true after all these years--that would be fantastic!!!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by mutantmomof4

Is this not tweeking the protocol?

My dh just called to tell me I HAVE A PACKAGE AT HOME....MY HCG IS THERE....OHHHHHHHH I CAN'T WAIT.....

Certainly is!! That is what I mean. And exactly why I say what I do!! I started out being a bit lenient because of other boards I was on. Then DeeDee kept repeating over and over that I (we all had to!) had to follow protocol to be successful. I had to be hit over the head more than a few times to get it into my head to do protocol as written!!! And fortunately I did listen!! And it worked, it worked beautifully!! Sometimes others need to experience the hard way for themselves to see that too. I know I did.

Or you can look at it this way. This was posted on the yahoo groups I am on. It made me think too! What you do in P2 might cause you to lose. Say, adding in the Walden Farms or using coconut oil. But what about the next phase? I have heard that those who have tried coconut oil on P2 have had a hard time stabilizing on P3/P4. Therefore I don't use them. Those that did not include the melbas became carb sensitive in P4.

I have also seen the protocol talked about this way: the protocol is written in totality. It is a medical prescription for obesity. You have to follow all parts to get results. Do not piecemeal it together. If you follow P2/P3/P4 strictly you will get great results. If you stray/tweak/cheat, whatever you call it, even if you still lose in P2 what will happen in P3? P4? I was not willing to risk the stabilization in P3/P4 for anything. It kept me on the straight and narrow anytime temptation came around.

[Gracie514]

Just for the record, I agree with not tweaking protocol. But, I do use the WF dressing with no problems The ingredients are pretty much all allowable on P2 anyway. I need to have a salad every now and again you know

But, as for tweaking all of the time - adding in extras, using more than one veggie, using lotions & oils, using ANYTHING not in the protocol - I whole-heartedly agree with Dawn! These people always have trouble and then wonder why - it's because you're not following protocol!!!! I always look at it in the sense that it's only 23 days and I can handle anything for 23 days. Plus, I want the OPTIMAL results, not good ones!!!!

[mutantmomof4]

What I am saying is that I don't understand how in one breath you are stating we should not tweek but in the next breath you are saying use wf dressing...that is tweeking...I for one plan to stick to the plan and nothing else.

I understand what you are saying about this being a prescription for obesity, I have no intenion of cheating/tweeking/whatever...we only really get one chance at any plan IMO...when I did Atkins the first time the fat melted off, less the second, even less the third, here I am 10 years later still trying to restart the same plan with even less results...I am looking at this as my new beginning, I have an opportunity to start fresh and put to use all the lessons I've learned over the years...so no, one should not use wf dressing because it is not what is prescribed, at least that is the way I see it.

[soontobesexy'ntx]

ok I noticed alot of the recipes on OUR recipe thread calls for Bragg's
can we use that?

[MistyLoo]

Ok, here's one more ? for you ladies. I was wondering if a dish made with shredded cabbage sweated in low sodium fat free chicken broth with cut up chicken would work for a meal? Broth= yea or nay?

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by MistyLoo

Ok, here's one more ? for you ladies. I was wondering if a dish made with shredded cabbage sweated in low sodium fat free chicken broth with cut up chicken would work for a meal? Broth= yea or nay?

I used broth on 2 of my rounds with no problems. And I know that deb used it too. That should work for ya!

[MistyLoo]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I used broth on 2 of my rounds with no problems. And I know that deb used it too. That should work for ya!

Yea! Thanks Dawny

[hcground1]

I have heard differing opinions on this one as well... Here goes.

Are you supposed to eat the melba during P3? I've seen some people (on another site) keep eating it, and some don't.

It is very confusing, when everyone is doing things a bit differently. We all have to decide for ourselves what we are willing to risk, but should try our best not to judge those who do things differently. I am asking for advice on what you all do during P3 about the melbas, but I won't let anyone's response decide for me. I am going to take into consideration every viewpoint I learn, and make an educated decision on my own.

I chose to eat the melbas in P2 for the same reason as Dawn was discussing. I've learned from others who have left things out (the melba, one fruit, etc.) and have had a near impossible time stabilizing in P3/P4.

[gwynhyvar]

I *can't* eat either the melbas or the breadsticks, as I'm allergic to wheat. Dr. S. didn't give any alternatives for folks like me, so I'm SOL when it comes to a replacement. OR I can use my best judgment and put in something similar that's wheat-free. But then that's considered a tweak? So I leave it out and chance becoming overly carb-sensitive. What do I do? It gives me a headache to think about it.

I've seen similar arguments about Splenda vs. Stevia. Or turkey breast vs. chicken breast and bison vs. hamburger. Not to mention grass-fed and conventional/CFAO meat. And other things that weren't around in 1852 in Italy. Where do you draw the line(s)?

[Superfreak]

Does anyone know which HHCG drops are the most potent? As far as the numbers on the bottle go? I asked this question a few pages back, but the only response that I got was from StinaStina, who advised that she would also like to know...
I would appreciate any thoughts that anyone has, please! (and Thank you!)

[Healthy and Happy]

OK y'all talked me into it, I went ahead and sprayed just now. I'm going to do another one tonight and then start on a regular 12 hr. schedule w/ it tomorrow.