HCG

[Healthy and Happy]

No way will I be using CO, I'm sticking to protocol because I need max losses. I'm not doing this for nothing!

I use Revlon sheer 12 hr. lipstick in 'Rosette', it has 2 sides and goes on like a gloss but then dries and you put the sheer gloss over it. I refuse to use another lipstick, I love this one too much!

[Mootzee]

Edible oils = anything you can eat and your body uses as a nutrient, such as olive oil, coconut oil, jojoba oil, etc.

Baby oil is mineral oil so it should be okay to use as a makeup remover. Also, vaseline.

[debkeversole]

Howdy Mootzee

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Mootzee

Edible oils = anything you can eat and your body uses as a nutrient, such as olive oil, coconut oil, jojoba oil, etc.

Baby oil is mineral oil so it should be okay to use as a makeup remover. Also, vaseline.

I know what an edible oil is!!! I was just confused because all you wrote was edible oil. You didn't explain "what" you wanted to say about edible oils.

But, edible oils aren't the only oils you cannot have on protocol. We have to stay away from body oils, fat from meat, etc. That was my point.

I think your original post of
"Edible Oils."
confused me as to what you were trying to say.

[Healthy and Happy]

OK, I have baby oil, Vaseline, scale, (I don't have one that measures to 10th of a lb), and food scale on my shopping list.... oh and chicken breasts!

[mybigbutt]

I'm going to do this too. Thanks for posting the cliff notes to the poster who did that! I read the book, but having the short version is easy to refer back to.

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by paulav99

I have no experience with this WOE, but I don't see why it has to be bashed? What you posted could be said about any WOE: Atkins, WW, South Beach, etc.

Atkins is not the ultimate plan for everyone.

What I see in Pam's post is just honest questions that are part of her research on the subject - with a disclaimer that shows from whence she came and what she's been told so far by some of the doctors who administer the shots and oversee patients doing the diet. I don't see any attempt to bash it, but instead just an attempt to find out IF and HOW the HCG diet affects the thyroid, based on the personal experiences of those doing it on LCF.


Obviously she isn't expecting answers from anyone on here about people who were never on LCF, and I"m sure she'd prefer any answers to come directly from those who actually did the diet. I'm also sure it would be especially helpful to her research if they can provide actual lab work numbers. If those people are not here any more, perhaps there's someone on here who knows how to get in touch with some of them so that she could interview them about their thyroid numbers.


I hope this is coming across as diplomatically as possible, it's certainly not meant to be offensive in any way. Basically what I'm trying to say is that just because someone asks pointed or detailed questions about a weight loss system doesn't mean they're bashing it. (Please don't think I'm singling out your post Paula, it's just the first one I happened to see that mentioned HCG bashing after Pam's question)

Basically it's just a PG/LCF poll. So... I'll ask because I'm interested too - has anyone on here maintained for several years (I think Pam suggested 7 years) after doing the HCG diet, and do any of you who have done the diet or maintained your HCG diet loss for extended periods of time have records of thyroid levels before, during, and after doing HCG?

[DivaHerself]

I just find it highly unlikely that someone who has returned to normal eating for more than 7 years following HCG will be hanging around a lowcarb board.

[LINC]

I have a question.

So, it's OK to be on BC pills when you're taking the HCG hormone. Wouldn't a body on BC pills react differently to HCG than one who wasn't? And what about the estrogen hormones you take during menopause? Won't they interact with the HCG?

Lou

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by Madam De Leon

What I see in Pam's post is just honest questions that are part of her research on the subject - with a disclaimer that shows from whence she came and what she's been told so far by some of the doctors who administer the shots and oversee patients doing the diet. I don't see any attempt to bash it, but instead just an attempt to find out IF and HOW the HCG diet affects the thyroid, based on the personal experiences of those doing it on LCF.


Obviously she isn't expecting answers from anyone on here about people who were never on LCF, and I"m sure she'd prefer any answers to come directly from those who actually did the diet. I'm also sure it would be especially helpful to her research if they can provide actual lab work numbers. If those people are not here any more, perhaps there's someone on here who knows how to get in touch with some of them so that she could interview them about their thyroid numbers.


I hope this is coming across as diplomatically as possible, it's certainly not meant to be offensive in any way. Basically what I'm trying to say is that just because someone asks pointed or detailed questions about a weight loss system doesn't mean they're bashing it. (Please don't think I'm singling out your post Paula, it's just the first one I happened to see that mentioned HCG bashing after Pam's question)

Basically it's just a PG/LCF poll. So... I'll ask because I'm interested too - has anyone on here maintained for several years (I think Pam suggested 7 years) after doing the HCG diet, and do any of you who have done the diet or maintained your HCG diet loss for extended periods of time have records of thyroid levels before, during, and after doing HCG?

You are going to find it difficult to answer the first question since most people on this board who tried hcg and have maintained for years and years will not be hanging around this forum.

I posted sites to look at where people have reported maintenance of their weight loss from HCG for many, many years. I would think that would be helpful in answering your first question.

And as I suggested earlier, if you post your question in the MAIN hcg thread for June 2010, there are several members in there who are under doctor's care for thyroid issues and can answer your second question.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by LINC

I have a question.

So, it's OK to be on BC pills when you're taking the HCG hormone. Wouldn't a body on BC pills react differently to HCG than one who wasn't? And what about the estrogen hormones you take during menopause? Won't they interact with the HCG?

Lou

yes it is ok and is specifically mentioned in Pounds and inches as being ok

i honestly wouldn't stop ANY medicines without talking to the doctor about it

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by DivaHerself

I just find it highly unlikely that someone who has returned to normal eating for more than 7 years following HCG will be hanging around a lowcarb board.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by LINC

I have a question.

So, it's OK to be on BC pills when you're taking the HCG hormone. Wouldn't a body on BC pills react differently to HCG than one who wasn't? And what about the estrogen hormones you take during menopause? Won't they interact with the HCG?

Lou

You will NEED your bc pills on HCG because it is used to increase fertility in the U.S. since it can induce ovulation. HCG does not affect estrogen levels. During pregnancy, it interacts with the corpus luteum which in turn, secrets progesterone. In men, it causes testosterone secretion from the testes.

[DivaHerself]

Originally Posted by stinastina

Exactly.

Well, it takes seven years of maintenance to be a legitimate diet, but only five to be declared free of cancer.

[Tazcat]

Well the great news for those of you who find this too alarming, etc - there are lots of diets out there. This is one of many options.

I researched a long time before I decided to do it.

[LINC]

I'm more curious and intrigued than anything. I have a friend who started this (injections) last week and she got deathly ill. I don't know if it had anything to do with the HCG, but it has me wondering. Are you guys that are doing this doing it under a doctor's supervision? I know my friend wasn't, really. She spoke to a doctor on the phone, but that's all. When she called starting to feel sick, he told her it was a perfectly normal reaction to the hormone and that her fat cells were releasing toxins. She got much sicker after that and is now on antibiotics. She could have very well been sick before she started the HCG. She stopped taking the injections because she was so sick, and she just wanted to feed herself whatever it would take to get better. She's starting again after she recovers.

Lou

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by LINC

I'm more curious and intrigued than anything. I have a friend who started this (injections) last week and she got deathly ill. I don't know if it had anything to do with the HCG, but it has me wondering. Are you guys that are doing this doing it under a doctor's supervision? I know my friend wasn't, really. She spoke to a doctor on the phone, but that's all. When she called starting to feel sick, he told her it was a perfectly normal reaction to the hormone and that her fat cells were releasing toxins. She got much sicker after that and is now on antibiotics. She could have very well been sick before she started the HCG. She stopped taking the injections because she was so sick, and she just wanted to feed herself whatever it would take to get better. She's starting again after she recovers.

Lou

What was her diagnosis ? If the doctor prescribed an antibiotic, then she must have had some type of infection. If she mixed her own injections, she could have contaminated herself. When you mix your own injections, you have to be very careful that everything you use is sterile. That would have nothing to do with hcg itself, but whatever solvent you used, whether or not your bottle was sterile, you re-used needles, etc.

[LINC]

Originally Posted by stinastina

What was her diagnosis ? If the doctor prescribed an antibiotic, then she must have had some type of infection. If she mixed her own injections, she could have contaminated herself. When you mix your own injections, you have to be very careful that everything you use is sterile. That would have nothing to do with hcg itself, but whatever solvent you used, whether or not your bottle was sterile, you re-used needles, etc.

It was a flu, I guess. Mostly in her chest. I don't think she mixes her own. And she says she knows what she's doing with the needles. I don't think that the HCG had anything to do with her getting sick - she was probably already on her way to getting sick when she started. It's just pretty scary that to me that she didn't see a doctor and get checked out before starting the plan. Hell, as it is, I had to call and make an appointment for her when she got sick. I seriously thought she had pneumonia.

Lou

[KOO]

Question for those who go to a clinic for the injections. What is the name of the clinic? I have been looking online for a place in my area and have come up empty handed. Are there nationally know places that do this?

[Southern-Dahlin]

Originally Posted by thin in 2010

I just don't want to waste my money on a faulty brand. Did they say when Netrition will have it?

Please Netrition get some!!!!!

[Pinot]

Originally Posted by thin in 2010

I just don't want to waste my money on a faulty brand.

Yeah, that's been my reason for hesitating too.

I trust Netrition and order from them frequently ...
sounds like they better stock up on the stuff!

[Grizzy]

Originally Posted by soontobesexy'ntx

so lets make sure I got this right
2-3 days "loading" w/ hhcg
then 500 TOTAL CALS FOR THE DAY
I have to eat brekkie to take meds so
brekkie 1 fruit and 1 melba/wasa cracker
lunch 100gms meat,2 C veggie
snack or bedtime snack 1 fruit and 1 melba/wasa
supper repeat lunch
lots of water or unsweet tea (can use sweet & low)
I dont drink coffee so thats not a prob!

I am not sure what plan you are following but that is not Dr Simeon's Pounds and Inches. it is not 2 cups veggies, it is a total of 500 calories per day. You measure your meat and fruit servings and whatever is left over after that and the melba or bread sticks is what you are allowed in veggies.

There is a specific list of what proteins, veggies and fruits you are allowed to have. I am not going to go there, please just read the protocol a few times. If you are using the instructions you got with the spray they are not the same as Dr Simeons hcg diet.

I really wish anyone trying this diet would read the actual book and follow it.

[Grizzy]

Originally Posted by DivaHerself

Well, it takes seven years of maintenance to be a legitimate diet, but only five to be declared free of cancer.

Tough crowd. Since when did logic get in the way of the PG's opinions?

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Grizzy

I am not sure what plan you are following but that is not Dr Simeon's Pounds and Inches. it is not 2 cups veggies, it is a total of 500 calories per day. You measure your meat and fruit servings and whatever is left over after that and the melba or bread sticks is what you are allowed in veggies.

There is a specific list of what proteins, veggies and fruits you are allowed to have. I am not going to go there, please just read the protocol a few times. If you are using the instructions you got with the spray they are not the same as Dr Simeons hcg diet.

I really wish anyone trying this diet would read the actual book and follow it.

She is the OP and was asking for help with the diet. No need to be so hard on her. Sorry, Soontobe

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by LINC

It was a flu, I guess. Mostly in her chest. I don't think she mixes her own. And she says she knows what she's doing with the needles. I don't think that the HCG had anything to do with her getting sick - she was probably already on her way to getting sick when she started. It's just pretty scary that to me that she didn't see a doctor and get checked out before starting the plan. Hell, as it is, I had to call and make an appointment for her when she got sick. I seriously thought she had pneumonia.

Lou

Thank goodness you were looking out for her. It must have been a really bad flu for her to get antibiotics.

Originally Posted by KOO

Question for those who go to a clinic for the injections. What is the name of the clinic? I have been looking online for a place in my area and have come up empty handed. Are there nationally know places that do this?

Right now I don't think there are any national places, but the way the clinics are booming in my city, it's just a matter of time. When you do your search online, look for weight loss clinic - most have hcg as an option. You could also try to find a naturopath doctor - they can prescribe hormones. Good luck !

[soontobesexy'ntx]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

She is the OP and was asking for help with the diet. No need to be so hard on her. Sorry, Soontobe

that fine I trust "DR" grizz and her opinion
Grizz
I just asking questions not doing anything till I read/buy the book

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by LINC

I'm more curious and intrigued than anything. I have a friend who started this (injections) last week and she got deathly ill. I don't know if it had anything to do with the HCG, but it has me wondering. Are you guys that are doing this doing it under a doctor's supervision? I know my friend wasn't, really. She spoke to a doctor on the phone, but that's all. When she called starting to feel sick, he told her it was a perfectly normal reaction to the hormone and that her fat cells were releasing toxins. She got much sicker after that and is now on antibiotics. She could have very well been sick before she started the HCG. She stopped taking the injections because she was so sick, and she just wanted to feed herself whatever it would take to get better. She's starting again after she recovers.

Lou

Lou ~ Sorry your friend got sick. I definitely do not think the hcg had anything to do with it though. It sounds like she was going to get the flu regardless. The only side effect I've heard of occurs in the first week. Some people get carb withdrawal symptoms - achy, headache, tummy issues, etc. This pretty much clears up by the end of the first week and then you feel pretty good. You can take aspirin for the detox headache and I drink a lot of water to flush out those toxins. I hope she recovers soon and gets to try again!!!

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by soontobesexy'ntx

that fine I trust "DR" grizz and her opinion
Grizz
I just asking questions not doing anything till I read/buy the book

That's a great attitude!!! I just didn't want you to stop posting and asking questions for fear of being wrong. I know I had a lot of questions when I started and I had many very nice ladies willing to help me and not judge on how many times I read the protocol. It's a fantastic journey and I hope you are very successful on it

[greenbean]

I am not sure if you saw my post earlier soontobesexy'ntx but I do have the "cliff notes" posted in this thread. I hope they help you. They are direct quotes from the book (no need to buy it, you can download it for free).

[soontobesexy'ntx]

Originally Posted by greenbean

I am not sure if you saw my post earlier soontobesexy'ntx but I do have the "cliff notes" posted in this thread. I hope they help you. They are direct quotes from the book (no need to buy it, you can download it for free).

can't at work I'm on a military computer!! need to buy ink for printer @ home :blush:

[Screamer]

Originally Posted by JustKim

would you be willing to share your recipes??

Originally Posted by soontobesexy'ntx

can't at work I'm on a military computer!! need to buy ink for printer @ home :blush:

PM me your e addy and I'll send it to you as an attachment.