HCG

[mstamika]

Originally Posted by CindyCRNA

This is a great post! Very interesting!

I have a couple of questions for the OP. If I weren't lazy, I would go research it myself but is the 500 calories necessary? Would you get some, maybe less impressive, but some results with 1200 calories plus HCG? And is your homeopathic HCG from the "home office" for this diet or another place? By home office, I mean the company who devised this plan.

The 500 calories is the manuscripts directive for this plan. There are also specific foods. There are people that vary foods and calorie levels and have the same or simular results.

At least you admitted you didn't want to research it but have some questions. The very best way to get your questions answered though is by reading Pounds and Inches which is the manuscript and then asking questions based on what you read.

I have a question... What's an OP?

[DivaHerself]

Originally Posted by shari

Wow! Congrats! Amazing results.

Thank you! I'm starting a subsequent round now -- I've got a ways to go yet, but needed some time off because we were juggling a few things. The good part is, even as much as we travel, the protocol is easy to do.

Originally Posted by Pinot

DivaHerself - in all the stuff I've read about this program, your post is the first that actually made me understand it!

I've contemplated the program, wanting to go the homeopathic route, but with my luck, I'd get stuck with a bad batch from one of the shysters popping up everywhere.
How do you know where to start?

Do some googling, and you can find end-user discussion of brands and sources that worked for them.

Originally Posted by mstamika

Always go to the source.

Yes ma'am!
And I would add, don't tweak the protocol.
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There are just some of us who do not do well any longer on Atkins. Dr. Atkins himself wrote that his "imbalanced" program was intended as a correction for an imbalanced, damaged metabolism.

Dr. Simeons' protocol addresses the source of that imbalance, by "resetting" the hypothalamus. I absolutely was dubious that the promises of stabilized weight after the low-calorie cycle was over would be true, until I lived it and saw it demonstrated for myself.

I look ten years younger and five months less pregnant. I sleep better, I have energy and wake up before my alarm, and the random, persistent level of creakiness and aches has gone down. My body is clearly expressing that it's quite happy with lean meats, fresh vegetables and fruits, supplemented heavily with the years of overnutrition that I packed into storage.

And that's the difference: The HCG enables the body to access fat reserves that it otherwise wouldn't touch. The dieter isn't running solely on the 500 calories taken by mouth -- there are another 1400 - 2000 being liberated from fat reserves.

And after proper execution of the protocol, including the stabilization phases, the body happily maintains at its new, lower setpoint with reasonable free-range eating -- the metabolism isn't trashed, as has been abundantly demonstrated would happen with low calorie without HCG.

At my age, with my dieting history, finding something that would actually address the source of metabolic imbalance was a minor miracle. One of my practitioners would always track back the source of my weight problem to the hypothalamus -- we'd addressed everything below it in the hierarchy, but we had no idea how to recalibrate it. Now I do, and I'm grateful for something that is returning my life to "normal", unrestricted eating.

[mstamika]

Originally Posted by thin in 2010

OK, I'm reading 'Pounds and Inches'... do you really binge out on whatever you want for the first 3 days or am I reading this wrong?

BTW, if the 500 cals could be 2 Snickers bars without hunger I would be so in!

LOL!

Yes you really eat what you want and all you want for 3 days and it is encouraged for a reason... read on Smart person... she's reading from the source.

[Healthy and Happy]

*edited because I got my answer... Thank you!

[Healthy and Happy]

Originally Posted by mstamika

LOL!

Yes you really eat what you want and all you want for 3 days and it is encouraged for a reason... read on Smart person... she's reading from the source.

Wow, this diet is sounding better and better all the time.

[Marlee]

Just a couple questions... what does the HCG do? Isn't that the stuff that tells you you're pregnant? I know, I'm clueless Is the stuff really expensive? Thanks

[mstamika]

Originally Posted by soontobesexy'ntx

the reason I am looking into it
as another poster said I get bored easily and change diets often
my metablism is so messed up from doing so many plans I am very resitant (sp) to weight loss cannot lose under 200 lb no matter how much or how little I eat. I am one of the rare people who gain weight in induction Atkins
(by the '72 book)

I read that post...it seemed she put it as delicately as she could and it was good advice.

Let's say you get all the information and start this plan what is your inner commitment to seeing it through?

If you change plans because you get bored then you should probably look at why you get bored... is it lack of results or lack of commitment? Maybe both? or neither.

The being bored part is worth looking at because nothing will ever work without commitment.

Weight loss in my opinion is mostly an inner journey.

[mstamika]

Originally Posted by Marlee

Just a couple questions... what does the HCG do? Isn't that the stuff that tells you you're pregnant? I know, I'm clueless Is the stuff really expensive? Thanks

Actually it's the stuff that is produced when you're pregnant so you don't starve while you're not eating during some part/parts of your pregnancy among other things.

The hCG hormone works at the hypothalamus level which is why men and women can do this plan. The manuscript explains this better than my little short sentence.



I'm headed back to my padded journal. Good luck in your search for what works soontobesexy!

[Gracie514]

You ladies ROCK!!!

[Tyl]

Originally Posted by thin in 2010

Wow, this diet is sounding better and better all the time.

lol i really enjoyed that part.... cheesecake, ice cream, peanut butter yum!

[Healthy and Happy]

I finished the book, but I'm a little confused. Is it 21 or 40 days long? Someone on here said 21, but the book says 40,(for the hcg/500 cals portion of the plan).... and are you guys skipping the hcg during your period?

Plan of a Normal Course:

125 I.U. of HCG daily (except during menstruation) until 40 injections have been given.

Until 3rd injection forced feeding.

After 3rd injection, 500 Calorie diet to be continued until 72 hours after the last injection.

For the following 3 weeks, all foods allowed except starch and sugar in any form (careful with very sweet fruit).

After 3 weeks, very gradually add starch in small quantities, always controlled by morning weighing.

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by thin in 2010

I finished the book, but I'm a little confused. Is it 21 or 40 days long? Someone on here said 21, but the book says 40,(for the hcg/500 cals portion of the plan).... and are you guys skipping the hcg during your period?

Plan of a Normal Course:

125 I.U. of HCG daily (except during menstruation) until 40 injections have been given.

Until 3rd injection forced feeding.

After 3rd injection, 500 Calorie diet to be continued until 72 hours after the last injection.

For the following 3 weeks, all foods allowed except starch and sugar in any form (careful with very sweet fruit).

After 3 weeks, very gradually add starch in small quantities, always controlled by morning weighing.

40 days of injections is the max per round.

[mstamika]

Originally Posted by stinastina

I'm not "the" wonder twin, but we posted almost the same thing ! Seriously, what was posted was no scientific evidence. Since I actually read "Pounds and Inches", and it works for me and tens of thousands of other people, I'm going to continue losing pounds and fat and feeling good !

If yall want some actual anecdotal evidence that you can see for yourself, you need to go to youtube and look at the hundreds of vlogs from people who have done hcg. You can see them with your own eyes before and at goal.

That's too funny! We were straight on a mental vibe and replying at the same time.

Okay for reall this time I'm gone.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by thin in 2010

I finished the book, but I'm a little confused. Is it 21 or 40 days long? Someone on here said 21, but the book says 40,(for the hcg/500 cals portion of the plan).... and are you guys skipping the hcg during your period?

Plan of a Normal Course:

125 I.U. of HCG daily (except during menstruation) until 40 injections have been given.

Until 3rd injection forced feeding.

After 3rd injection, 500 Calorie diet to be continued until 72 hours after the last injection.

For the following 3 weeks, all foods allowed except starch and sugar in any form (careful with very sweet fruit).

After 3 weeks, very gradually add starch in small quantities, always controlled by morning weighing.

You can do either a 21 day round or a 40 day round, that is "effective dose days" Remember he wrote the manuscript based on the RX HCG. With the homeopathic you can pretty much do as many days as you want because there is no immunity. Also, with homeopathic most people load for two days, three if necessary. And when you stop the hhcg you only have to wait 48 hours to start Phase 3 because homeopathic only takes 48 hours to leave the body.

25 Day Round with HHCG
Days 1-2 : LOAD with HHCG
Days 3-23 500 calorie diet with HHCG
Days 24-25 500 calorie diet without HHCG

Phase 3 is 3 weeks no sugar/starch
Phase 4 is 3 weeks adding back in slowly

HTH, anymore questions, just ask!!!

[nonstickpam107]

I'm trying to find someone who's done this protocol and KEPT it off for seven years. ?? any takers??

Pam

[rae_rae21]

Interesting info..thanks for posting ladies!

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by nonstickpam107

I'm trying to find someone who's done this protocol and KEPT it off for seven years. ?? any takers??

Pam

I hope you are not being facetious. I did find a doctor who claims most of his patients have maintained their losses for 4 years. Give me an hour and I'll find you some more.

Dr. Weisenstein

[BillSears]

Originally Posted by stinastina

I hope you are not being facetious. I did find a doctor who claims most of his patients have maintained their losses for 4 years. Give me an hour and I'll find you some more.

Just a joke since I really have no idea if HCG works on not but...

If he's kept the weight off for 4 years why hasn't he bought a suit that fits?

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by nonstickpam107

I'm trying to find someone who's done this protocol and KEPT it off for seven years. ?? any takers??

Pam

Well, I only started in October last year but I've lost more than on any other diet I've tried and I am very happy with the protocol. I never thought I would actually get to goal and now I'm almost there

I guess if you looked on-line you would probably find that the majority of people gain back weight after losing it on any diet because they go back to their old ways. I would have to research the protocol and long term success data to be able to appropriately answer your question. But, you could say that statement pretty much about any diet. The only thing I know is that my metabolism has totally changed and I can eat carbs without blowing up! LOL During my Phase 3 and 4 I actually eat 2500 calories per day and maintain so I'm extrememly happy. I also think if you've kept it off for 7 years on LC you are one of the diligent ones because it seems like people are constantly starting over. Kudos to your success.

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by BillSears

Just a joke since I really have no idea if HCG works on not but...

If he's kept the weight off for 4 years why hasn't he bought a suit that fits?

Um, that was the doctor, not the patient.

Anyways, there are quite a few patient testimonials for long term success here at this interesting site: The oral hCG (Human Choriogonadotropin) and obesity website:

Hello Dr. Belluscio:

Ten years ago I was very over weight and needed to reduce. I tried four other programs before I found the HCG program. The first four help me lose a total of eight pounds at a rate of about $100/pd.

Then a friend told me about the HCG program. I started at over 200 pounds and finished at 138. I had no side effects and gained self-confidence. The program helped me to like my self and the results kept me going.

It was a long year but I managed to keep the weight off for over eight years. I have been looking for the HCG program for over two years.

I hope that they bring this program back soon. It could help a lot of others who need the help. Sara "

And I found a couple of case studies from Dr. Gary Goldman. About Dr. Goldman:
Gary S. Goldman, Ph.D. is Pres./Founder of Medical Veritas International Inc., a non-profit 501(c)3 public charity that supports medical/scientific research and education. Since 2004, Dr. Goldman has served as Editor-in-Chief of Medical Veritas, a journal free from the conflicts of interest of the pharmaceutical industry. This journal was a 2009 Mom's Choice Awards® Silver Recipient in the area of Health, Nutrition, Fitness, & Safety.
Dr. Goldman serves as a reviewer for the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), Vaccine, The American Journal of Managed Care (AJMC), Expert Review of Vaccines (ERV), Expert Review of Dermatology (ERD), Journal of the European Academy of Dermatology and Venereology (JEADV), Epidemiology and Infection, and British Medical Journal (BMJ). He serves on the Editorial Board of Research and Reviews in Bioscience. His biography is included in Marquis’ 2005-2006 Who’s Who in Science and Engineering and 2006 Who’s Who in the World. Articles discussing Dr. Goldman's research have been published in JAMA, The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Pediatrics, The International Journal of Toxicology, and Vaccine.


The case studies on hcg: http://www.medicalveritas.com/hCGcase.pdf

[mybigbutt]

I go to the gym 5 days a week, alternating cardio and weight training. Would I have the energy to maintain these workouts on this diet?

I am going to read the book, but wanted to know if anyone on the diet has exercised like this while on it.

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by mybigbutt

I go to the gym 5 days a week, alternating cardio and weight training. Would I have the energy to maintain these workouts on this diet?

I am going to read the book, but wanted to know if anyone on the diet has exercised like this while on it.

In the main hcg thread, there are members who do exercise, ride horses and do marathons. If you post your question in there, I am sure they will tell you about their experience with the protocol and exercise.

[Mariasol]

Originally Posted by stinastina

About Dr. Goldman:
Gary S. Goldman, Ph.D. is Pres./Founder of Medical Veritas International Inc., a non-profit 501(c)3 public charity that supports medical/scientific research and education. Since 2004, Dr. Goldman has served as Editor-in-Chief of Medical Veritas, a journal free from the conflicts of interest of the pharmaceutical industry. This journal was a 2009 Mom's Choice Awards® Silver Recipient in the area of Health, Nutrition, Fitness, & Safety.
Dr. Goldman serves as a reviewer for the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), Vaccine, The American Journal of Managed Care (AJMC), Expert Review of Vaccines (ERV), Expert Review of Dermatology (ERD), Journal of the European Academy of Dermatology and Venereology (JEADV), Epidemiology and Infection, and British Medical Journal (BMJ). He serves on the Editorial Board of Research and Reviews in Bioscience. His biography is included in Marquis’ 2005-2006 Who’s Who in Science and Engineering and 2006 Who’s Who in the World. Articles discussing Dr. Goldman's research have been published in JAMA, The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Pediatrics, The International Journal of Toxicology, and Vaccine.


The case studies on hcg: http://www.medicalveritas.com/hCGcase.pdf

Just to clarify:

Gary S. Goldman holds a Ph.D. in Computer Science from Pacific Western University in Los Angeles and graduated with honors in 1977 from California State University, Fullerton (CSUF) with a double major: B.S. Engineering (Electronic emphasis) and B.S. Computer Science.

[Mariasol]

Originally Posted by JRo

Like I said, these are not short studies. These are scientific studies.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...004%2D0042.pdf

Chorionic gonadotropin in weight control. A double... [JAMA. 1976] - PubMed result

I am really and truly happy that it's working for you. I promise - I'm not out to get you or any other followers of it, and if the HCG or the placebo effect of it works, that's great. But many people following starvation-levels of calories find that they aren't too hungry after a few days. Even people doing water fasting report that, and it was a common comment during the Kimkins era.

Like I said, I'm glad it's working for you - we each have to do what works best but people should be aware of the scientific evidence behind it.

Here is one more study: Ineffectiveness of human chorionic gonadotropin in weight reduction

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by Mariasol

Just to clarify:

You left some things out:

Gary S. Goldman holds a Ph.D. in Computer Science from Pacific Western University in Los Angeles and graduated with honors in 1977 from California State University, Fullerton (CSUF) with a double major: B.S. Engineering (Electronic emphasis) and B.S. Computer Science. His biography is included in Marquis’ 8th Edition 2005-2006 Who’s Who in Science and Engineering and 23rd Edition (2006) of Who’s Who in the World.

Dr. Goldman has served as a reviewer for the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), Vaccine, and The American Journal of Managed Care. He created a medical research search facility at www.Pubmednci.com. He serves on the Editorial Board of Research and Reviews in Bioscience.

Since 2004 he has served as Editor-in-Chief of the peer-reviewed journal, Medical Veritas: The Journal of Medical Truth (see Medical Veritas International Inc.: A public charity). Through this endeavor Dr. Goldman has had the pleasure of interfacing with world-renowned scientists, researchers, and physicians.

Dr. Goldman has studied adverse reactions caused by the Hepatitis B vaccine, MMR vaccine, anthrax vaccine, deleterious effects of instant or early cord clamping (ICC/ECC), vaccine induced autoimmune problems, shaken baby syndrome (SBS), hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT), Thimerosal-containing vaccines, autism, and other medical topics.

Dr. Goldman served for eight years (from January, 1995 until his resignation in October of 2002) as Research Analyst for the Varicella Active Surveillance Project in Antelope Valley, in a cooperative project with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC, Atlanta, GA).

Presently, Dr. Goldman serves as a consulting computer scientist and is on the board of directors of Pearblossom Private School, Inc. which provides distance education to over 5,000 independent study students each year in grades K through 12 throughout the United States (see ...: :: Pearblossom Private School, Inc. provides quality education curriculum for each grade K through 12 :: :...)

Dr. Goldman also:

* Was elected member of the Phi-Kappa-Phi honor society, received the Outstanding University Engineering Student Award, special Merit Award in recognition of scholarly commitment and outstanding Academic Achievement in Computer Science
* Served as assistant professor for the Engineering and Quantitative Methods departments instructing both graduate and undergraduate courses in statistics, programming, digital simulation, and digital logic design and switching theory
* Received special Merit Award in recognition of an attitude of enthusiasm and for outstanding service to the Division of Engineering at CSUF
* Served as a computer consultant responsible for the automation of a wide variety of businesses, improved production, and conversion of databases. He has authored and presented numerous manuscripts contributing to engineering and computer science disciplines and enjoys writing heuristic programs
* Co-developed the Goldman/Blake remediation program for children with specific visual process deficits
* Served as vice-president of Systems Development of Cascade Graphics Development, he developed the first microcomputer-based computer-aided drafting (CAD) system
* Holds a U.S. patent (#4223255, granted September, 1980) for a micro-programmed, high-efficiency motor-in-a-wheel called “Power Wheel,” This invention was featured on the front cover of the Fall, 1980 issue of Science and Mechanics
* In recent years, authored/co-authored numerous technical manuscripts concerning varicella/herpes zoster epidemiology and capture-recapture techniques.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by stinastina

You left some things out:

Gary S. Goldman holds a Ph.D. in Computer Science from Pacific Western University in Los Angeles and graduated with honors in 1977 from California State University, Fullerton (CSUF) with a double major: B.S. Engineering (Electronic emphasis) and B.S. Computer Science. His biography is included in Marquis’ 8th Edition 2005-2006 Who’s Who in Science and Engineering and 23rd Edition (2006) of Who’s Who in the World.

Dr. Goldman has served as a reviewer for the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), Vaccine, and The American Journal of Managed Care. He created a medical research search facility at www.Pubmednci.com. He serves on the Editorial Board of Research and Reviews in Bioscience.

Since 2004 he has served as Editor-in-Chief of the peer-reviewed journal, Medical Veritas: The Journal of Medical Truth (see Medical Veritas International Inc.: A public charity). Through this endeavor Dr. Goldman has had the pleasure of interfacing with world-renowned scientists, researchers, and physicians.

Dr. Goldman has studied adverse reactions caused by the Hepatitis B vaccine, MMR vaccine, anthrax vaccine, deleterious effects of instant or early cord clamping (ICC/ECC), vaccine induced autoimmune problems, shaken baby syndrome (SBS), hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT), Thimerosal-containing vaccines, autism, and other medical topics.

Dr. Goldman served for eight years (from January, 1995 until his resignation in October of 2002) as Research Analyst for the Varicella Active Surveillance Project in Antelope Valley, in a cooperative project with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC, Atlanta, GA).

Presently, Dr. Goldman serves as a consulting computer scientist and is on the board of directors of Pearblossom Private School, Inc. which provides distance education to over 5,000 independent study students each year in grades K through 12 throughout the United States (see ...: :: Pearblossom Private School, Inc. provides quality education curriculum for each grade K through 12 :: :...)

Dr. Goldman also:

* Was elected member of the Phi-Kappa-Phi honor society, received the Outstanding University Engineering Student Award, special Merit Award in recognition of scholarly commitment and outstanding Academic Achievement in Computer Science
* Served as assistant professor for the Engineering and Quantitative Methods departments instructing both graduate and undergraduate courses in statistics, programming, digital simulation, and digital logic design and switching theory
* Received special Merit Award in recognition of an attitude of enthusiasm and for outstanding service to the Division of Engineering at CSUF
* Served as a computer consultant responsible for the automation of a wide variety of businesses, improved production, and conversion of databases. He has authored and presented numerous manuscripts contributing to engineering and computer science disciplines and enjoys writing heuristic programs
* Co-developed the Goldman/Blake remediation program for children with specific visual process deficits
* Served as vice-president of Systems Development of Cascade Graphics Development, he developed the first microcomputer-based computer-aided drafting (CAD) system
* Holds a U.S. patent (#4223255, granted September, 1980) for a micro-programmed, high-efficiency motor-in-a-wheel called “Power Wheel,” This invention was featured on the front cover of the Fall, 1980 issue of Science and Mechanics
* In recent years, authored/co-authored numerous technical manuscripts concerning varicella/herpes zoster epidemiology and capture-recapture techniques.

Now those are some impressive stats!!!

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by Mariasol

Here is one more study: Ineffectiveness of human chorionic gonadotropin in weight reduction

Interesting that they did not bother to follow Dr. Simeon's diet and of course, did not even specify what foods the patients ate. It makes the whole study a moot point for this discussion since those of us on hcg follow Dr. Simeon's protocol.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by stinastina

Interesting that they did not bother to follow Dr. Simeon's diet and of course, did not even specify what foods the patients ate. It makes the whole study a moot point for this discussion since those of us on hcg follow Dr. Simeon's protocol.

I was just going to say that!! Plus, anyone who eats 500 calories a day will lose weight, everyone knows that. The difference is what you are doing to your body and metabolism in the process. After doing it without the hcg you will be in starvation mode and once you start eating again you will gain everything back plus more because your metabolism is shot. Maybe someone can explain how I can eat 2500 calories per day now and not gain. My body has stabilized - do you really think it would've done that without the hcg? I mean really?

[shari]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

You ladies ROCK!!!

You too!

Nice, ladies..nice. Does a momma proud.

[mybigbutt]

Anyone experience any side-effects at all? (Besides weight loss!)