Simeons HCG protocol--June 2010

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by cbarrett

Can you chew SF gum on the apple day?

I'm don't think so. I don't chew gum in P2 at all but maybe someone else with experience can answer.

[JunkInMyTrunk]

I've chewed gum all through P2. I don't think it hurt me any;lost 25 lbs. in 40 days, with 2 cheat weekends.

I've never done an apple day, so I'm not sure if chewing gum would deter that, but it doesn't seem like it would hurt.

[FitMommyNow]

Question for the HHCG Veterans:

I talked to the naturopath that I'm going through for my HHCG. She called this morning to check in and is concerned that I'm still feeling weak, sometimes lightheaded, and in general having trouble with energy. I have felt like this since the beginning (I'm on Day 20now)and even though sodium added helps, I still don't feel all that good. I mean, I shouldn't need to rest after unloading the dishwasher.

So, here is what she suggested. She said I should stop the HCG for 24 hours and see if I feel better. In the past she has suggested extra drops (I noticed no difference) but now she says maybe I only need 1/2 a dropper once a day because she had ONE client that did better on less drops.

My thought is that this doesn't make any sense and that I wouldn't hardly have any HCG in my system which I would be harmful to my body on such low calories.

Has anyone heard of anything like this?

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by FitMommyNow

Question for the HHCG Veterans:

I talked to the naturopath that I'm going through for my HHCG. She called this morning to check in and is concerned that I'm still feeling weak, sometimes lightheaded, and in general having trouble with energy. I have felt like this since the beginning (I'm on Day 20now)and even though sodium added helps, I still don't feel all that good. I mean, I shouldn't need to rest after unloading the dishwasher.

So, here is what she suggested. She said I should stop the HCG for 24 hours and see if I feel better. In the past she has suggested extra drops (I noticed no difference) but now she says maybe I only need 1/2 a dropper once a day because she had ONE client that did better on less drops.

My thought is that this doesn't make any sense and that I wouldn't hardly have any HCG in my system which I would be harmful to my body on such low calories.

Has anyone heard of anything like this?

What supplements/vitamins are you taking ? Have you checked your iron level lately ? Have you had your blood sugar level checked lately ?

[gwynhyvar]

What kind of sodium? I have heard to add sea salt (for mineral content) NOT table salt.

Also, have you tried a potassium supplement or something that helps with minerals and electrolytes like Emergen-C?

[UTDramaQueen]

Originally Posted by Victrola

Onederland, onederland, does whatever a...hmm, onderland does!!

198.8!!!

Late Congratulations! That's excellent news!

Hi everyone, I finally made it to the June thread. I managed to survive a potential obstacle -- traveling for 3 days. Careful planning however kept me eating on plan and feeling great. I continued to lose throughout the weekend. The only "cheat" was I wore all my makeup. I'll be damned if I'm gonna be taking "family" pictures with the ex's side of the family with no makeup. It didn't seem to have any effect whatsoever as I'm down 3.4 pounds from when I left on Saturday.

I read all the back posts but there's WAAY too much to respond to individually. ('Cept Victrola cause that's just too awesome!)

I will however, throw out my 2 cents on grapefruit. I love them. I usually eat a half every morning for breakfast. Yes I said breakfast. I prefer the reds, cold and with salt. Personally I cut them in half and eat a half each day. I use a spoon to scoop out each section. If I don't have my grapefruit, I know it before lunch time.

DH started last week. He's seen some losses but not as much as mine. He's not writing his food down so its hard to help him. However he is seeing success and he's in to a 2XL tshirt from a 3XL and it didn't even look tight. So I think he's doing more inches. He won't measure regularly either.

I had Chilean Sea Bass for the first time ever and it was amazingly good. If it weren't so expensive I'd be eating it every day.

Oh and before I forget....today is VLCD21 and I'm down a total of 22.6 pounds. I can barely keep my regular work pants on the waist is so loose and I bought a new pair of capris for my trip and had to buy an 18 instead of a 20 or 22. And the 18 is not very tight. I'm a happy girl.

[FitMommyNow]

I was taking potassium but it didn't seem to help and then someone on here said it messes with sodium levels and I didn't want that since I already figured out that I need salt. I do drink a cup of chicken broth (organic with sea salt) a day according to my naturopath. I know that is not on Dr. S's deal but honestly I would pass out without it. Dr. S doesn't restrict salt per Pounds & Inches either.

I take a high powered B-12 as well. It helps a bit with the fuzzy brain. haha

I don't test my blood sugar so have no idea what it is.

I just find it odd to be told to take LESS HCG. Seems really like a strange suggestion.

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by FitMommyNow

I was taking potassium but it didn't seem to help and then someone on here said it messes with sodium levels and I didn't want that since I already figured out that I need salt. I do drink a cup of chicken broth (organic with sea salt) a day according to my naturopath. I know that is not on Dr. S's deal but honestly I would pass out without it. Dr. S doesn't restrict salt per Pounds & Inches either.

I take a high powered B-12 as well. It helps a bit with the fuzzy brain. haha

I don't test my blood sugar so have no idea what it is.

I just find it odd to be told to take LESS HCG. Seems really like a strange suggestion.

I don't know about taking less hcg - particularly the hhcg. But I do know last year I tried adipex and I was drop dead tired. They gave me B-12 shots but that only helped for a minute. It turns out my iron level was deficient. Iron takes oxygen to your cells. Maybe you could try a multivitamin with iron (especially if TOM is heavy) ?

My hhcg gives me so much energy I can't sleep at night ! But finally, after two weeks, it's starting to get better.

[FitMommyNow]

I had that insomnia at first too. That sucked but is fine now. LOL

I may stop my round early and try it again with a different brand after stabilizing. I'm not making any decisions for a few days though.

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by FitMommyNow

I had that insomnia at first too. That sucked but is fine now. LOL

I may stop my round early and try it again with a different brand after stabilizing. I'm not making any decisions for a few days though.

Hope you feel better soon !

[FitMommyNow]

Originally Posted by stinastina

Hope you feel better soon !

Thanks! I appreciate the advice and support so much!

[Victrola]

You know, it's bizarre; I don't feel like eating much at all! I haven't had such an extreme sense of this in weeks. Weird that it would come back at the very end.

It may be that I'm sick of the meal I've been having - seasoned ground turkey breast over spring greens.

Hopefully this sense will stick around for several more days so that I can transition into P3 w/o overeating.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by FitMommyNow

Question for the HHCG Veterans:

I talked to the naturopath that I'm going through for my HHCG. She called this morning to check in and is concerned that I'm still feeling weak, sometimes lightheaded, and in general having trouble with energy. I have felt like this since the beginning (I'm on Day 20now)and even though sodium added helps, I still don't feel all that good. I mean, I shouldn't need to rest after unloading the dishwasher.

So, here is what she suggested. She said I should stop the HCG for 24 hours and see if I feel better. In the past she has suggested extra drops (I noticed no difference) but now she says maybe I only need 1/2 a dropper once a day because she had ONE client that did better on less drops.

My thought is that this doesn't make any sense and that I wouldn't hardly have any HCG in my system which I would be harmful to my body on such low calories.

Has anyone heard of anything like this?

did you ever try this?? my DH had it happen once on 2 dif round and the sugar fixed him right up

Blood Sugar

Towards the end of a course or when a patient has nearly reached his normal weight it occasionally happens that the blood sugar drops below normal, and we have even seen this in patients who had an abnormally high blood sugar before treatment. Such an attack of hypoglycemia is almost identical with the one seen in diabetics who have taken too much insulin. The attack comes on suddenly; there is the same feeling of light-headedness, weakness in the knees, trembling, and unmotivated sweating; but under HCG, hypoglycemia does not produce any feeling of hunger. All these symptoms are almost instantly relieved by taking two heaped teaspoons of sugar.

In the course of treatment the possibility of such an attack is explained to those patients who are in a phase in which a drop in blood sugar may occur. They are instructed to keep sugar or glucose sweets handy, particularly when driving a car. They are also told to watch the effect of taking sugar very carefully and report the following day. This is important, because anxious patients to whom such an attack has been explained are apt to take sugar unnecessarily, in which case it inevitably produces a gain in weight and does not dramatically relieve the symptoms for which it was taken, proving that these were not due to hypoglycemia. Some patients mistake the effects of emotional stress for hypoglycemia. When the symptoms are quickly relieved by sugar this is proof that they were indeed due to an abnormal lowering of the blood sugar, and in that case there is no increase in the weight on the following day. We always suggest that sugar be taken if the patient is in doubt.

Once such an attack has been relieved with sugar we have never seen it recur on the immediately subsequent days, and only very rarely does a patient have two such attacks separated by several days during a course of treatment. In patients who have not eaten sufficiently during the first two days of treatment we sometimes give sugar when the minor symptoms usually felt during the first three days of treatment continue beyond that time, and in some cases this has seemed to speed up the euphoria ordinarily associated with the HCG method.

[duece49424]

Originally Posted by Victrola

Onederland, onederland, does whatever a...hmm, onderland does!!

198.8!!!

congrats.....it's an amazing feeling!

[FatFatnomore]

Originally Posted by Victrola

You know, it's bizarre; I don't feel like eating much at all! I haven't had such an extreme sense of this in weeks. Weird that it would come back at the very end.

It may be that I'm sick of the meal I've been having - seasoned ground turkey breast over spring greens.

Hopefully this sense will stick around for several more days so that I can transition into P3 w/o overeating.

I've been feeling that way too. I'm not even sick of my grilled chicken yet, but I have to force myself to eat everyday because I just have zero hunger and absolutely no desire to eat. I have a feeling it might be hard for me to up my calories on P3 in the beginning.

It's quite a difference from the first few weeks when I was hungry all the time!

[FitMommyNow]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

did you ever try this?? my DH had it happen once on 2 dif round and the sugar fixed him right up

Thanks for posting this! I may try it. However, I'm about 80lbs from goal I don't fit his criteria.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by FitMommyNow

Thanks for posting this! I may try it. However, I'm about 80lbs from goal I don't fit his criteria.

worked on DH even though he was 20 pounds from goal i think it may apply if on goal for your round too or may just happen can't hurt to try it within 30 minutes DH was feeling much better and it didn't happen again on that round

and keep up the potassium supplements too
feel better soon

[abbynormal]

DH and I stopped out for dinner tonight. Drumroll please! I ordered steak salad, hold the cheese. That meant I got steak, lettuce and some chopped tomatoe. Squeeze of fresh lemon. I think I just needed to prove to myself I could stay on plan and eat out. And on top of it, I brought half of it home.

[Starcat]

Originally Posted by Victrola

Onederland, onederland, does whatever a...hmm, onderland does!!

198.8!!!

Congratulations! Awesome job getting there before moving to P3.

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by abbynormal

DH and I stopped out for dinner tonight. Drumroll please! I ordered steak salad, hold the cheese. That meant I got steak, lettuce and some chopped tomatoe. Squeeze of fresh lemon. I think I just needed to prove to myself I could stay on plan and eat out. And on top of it, I brought half of it home.

209 this morning....gonna definately wait to load till this weekend.

[Victrola]

I accidentally clicked on the Kimkins thread and was a bit surprised to see that some people lump us in with that!

I'm pretty sure my doctor would have a fit if I told him I was going to stick to 500 calories a day cold turkey!

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by FitMommyNow

I had that insomnia at first too. That sucked but is fine now. LOL

I may stop my round early and try it again with a different brand after stabilizing. I'm not making any decisions for a few days though.

Do you know what your daily dose is? When I did the drops my dose was around 125 iu/day. One time I upped it to about 175 iu/day and felt like crap. I think you need to find the balance of where you feel best on the hhcg. I would listen to the naturopath and lower your dose and see how you feel. It's only one day so it shouldn't hurt anything. I also agree that you need to keep up with your potassium supplements, they are very important. Most clinics sell the protocol as a package deal including potassium supplements every single day. Try taking 2 - 99mg supplements with each meal. That is the equivalent of one banana and should restore the balance of potassium lost in your system. Hope you get it figured out!

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Victrola

I accidentally clicked on the Kimkins thread and was a bit surprised to see that some people lump us in with that!

I'm pretty sure my doctor would have a fit if I told him I was going to stick to 500 calories a day cold turkey!

WHATEVAH............ They can say whatever they want - we'll just keep losing the weight and feeling great!!! This is in no way like the Kimkins diet.

[abbynormal]

Originally Posted by Victrola

I accidentally clicked on the Kimkins thread and was a bit surprised to see that some people lump us in with that!

I tried to avoid reading all that drama but I guess I could see where those who aren't exposed to the reality of the plan could jump to that conclusion. Just like those who jump to the conclusion that Atkins means zero carbs and gorging on bacon and cheese.

Not only did I dispose of the pound I picked up yesterday but an extra one to boot! Going in to VLCD9 = -9.5# I went in to this (hhcg) thinking I'd go 23 days and see how I was doing and if I could commit to doing a longer round. If I still feel this optimistic in another two weeks I'm going to keep going.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by abbynormal

DH and I stopped out for dinner tonight. Drumroll please! I ordered steak salad, hold the cheese. That meant I got steak, lettuce and some chopped tomatoe. Squeeze of fresh lemon. I think I just needed to prove to myself I could stay on plan and eat out. And on top of it, I brought half of it home.

Originally Posted by abbynormal

I tried to avoid reading all that drama but I guess I could see where those who aren't exposed to the reality of the plan could jump to that conclusion. Just like those who jump to the conclusion that Atkins means zero carbs and gorging on bacon and cheese.

Not only did I dispose of the pound I picked up yesterday but an extra one to boot! Going in to VLCD9 = -9.5# I went in to this (hhcg) thinking I'd go 23 days and see how I was doing and if I could commit to doing a longer round. If I still feel this optimistic in another two weeks I'm going to keep going.

yeah believe it or not this last round i honestly did not want to quit even though i wanted P3 food!! i did go a few days over the minimum round and didn't tell DS14 or DH that we were able to quit a few days before we did

ok at 292.2 this morning that is one pound above LDW but i think i am going to do a preventative chicken day! i want to see that 290 even again!! gosh i have gotten so spoiled!!!

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

WHATEVAH............ They can say whatever they want - we'll just keep losing the weight and feeling great!!! This is in no way like the Kimkins diet.

Yeah, those poor people on Kimkins had their hair falling out and heart problems from all the muscle they lost. We get to lose fat while our hair and skin look great from the hcg !

[Selahgal]

Just stopping by to make a mark. For some reason I stopped being notified when new posts appear. Sheesh. Hopefully this will work. Had five pages to catch up on today!!

Congrats to all the losers!!!

[elise135]

Ok, I had no loss this morning and .5 down yesterday. Lo and behold tom started this morning (at least 2 weeks early).
Does anyone else do bioidentical hormones? My doc has me on progesterone cream? I haven't used it since I started the drops. I'm not sure if I should if i should use it or not. Does any one else my age (50 today) have any advice?

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by elise135

Ok, I had no loss this morning and .5 down yesterday. Lo and behold tom started this morning (at least 2 weeks early).
Does anyone else do bioidentical hormones? My doc has me on progesterone cream? I haven't used it since I started the drops. I'm not sure if I should if i should use it or not. Does any one else my age (50 today) have any advice?

I've used progesterone cream for years now [I'm 59 in two months! EEEK!] and have used it during P2 as well. I WISH I could find a doc who'd give me a bioidentical hormone script and a compound pharma to fill it! Meanwhile I use things like maca for hormones balance as well as the progesterone cream.

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

I've used progesterone cream for years now [I'm 59 in two months! EEEK!] and have used it during P2 as well. I WISH I could find a doc who'd give me a bioidentical hormone script and a compound pharma to fill it! Meanwhile I use things like maca for hormones balance as well as the progesterone cream.

You have to find you a doctor of naturopathy. My cousin sees one and I'm surprised he hasn't recommended HCG since they can prescribe it. They can prescribe any hormone, no drugs. They even do some training with MDs and have their own licensing.