Simeons HCG protocol--June 2010

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by donnakd

Ok, gained 2.2 lbs on my 2 gorge days...today is my first day of the 500 calorie diet. So far all is well. I don't anticipate having a hard time today.

I have a question...has anyone used splenda as a sweetener? I am having a hard time getting used to stevia! I had my start date planned for 2 weeks before starting, so I had been blending it with splenda in hopes it would help(I had tried stevia before and knew it just isn't the same to me)....but it is just bitter to me. Maybe I should try saccharin...bitter too, but not as bitter(at least to me) as stevia. *sigh* Guess I shouldn't sweat the little things......

Ok, now someone help me with the abbreviations for where you are at on this journey...I'm in day 1 of the low calorie, and it is my first round.....Thanks!

Hi Donna!

Yes you can use splenda! I use both splenda and stevia and another product called 'Just Like Sugar'. Yes, stevia can be tricky to use, but I usually manage ok with the powdered and liquid ones but even then sometimes I overdo it and get BITTER!

I'm at R2P2 VLCD29 which is Round 2, Phase 2, Very Low Calorie Day 29.

HTH! [Hope That Helps!]

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by donnakd

Ok, gained 2.2 lbs on my 2 gorge days...today is my first day of the 500 calorie diet. So far all is well. I don't anticipate having a hard time today.

I have a question...has anyone used splenda as a sweetener? I am having a hard time getting used to stevia! I had my start date planned for 2 weeks before starting, so I had been blending it with splenda in hopes it would help(I had tried stevia before and knew it just isn't the same to me)....but it is just bitter to me. Maybe I should try saccharin...bitter too, but not as bitter(at least to me) as stevia. *sigh* Guess I shouldn't sweat the little things......

Ok, now someone help me with the abbreviations for where you are at on this journey...I'm in day 1 of the low calorie, and it is my first round.....Thanks!

yup i have and Da vinci's too sometimes too much go slow with it at first to see how it will affect you Splenda wasn't around when Dr. S wrote his protocol but it also isn't natural like stevia so ease into it

you are on R1P2D3 or also R1P2VLCD1 let me see if i can find that list of abbreviations again HAPPY LOSING!

i am on R4P4D1 and i am LDW again today!! 291.2 WHOOHOO!!
DH is 178 1.8 pounds below LDW

DS15 is at 286, 2 pounds even below LDW!!

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

i am on R4P4D1 and i am LDW again today!! 291.2 WHOOHOO!!
DH is 178 1.8 pounds below LDW

DS15 is at 286, 2 pounds even below LDW!!

Ya'll are doing AMAZING!!! WAY TO GO!!! What an inspiration!!!

[Kathy]

Netrition is considering the possibility of stocking a homeopathic version of hCG. Is this something you would be interested in IF it was available at Netrition?

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Kathy

Netrition is considering the possibility of stocking a homeopathic version of hCG. Is this something you would be interested in IF it was available at Netrition?

YES!!!!

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by Kathy

Netrition is considering the possibility of stocking a homeopathic version of hCG. Is this something you would be interested in IF it was available at Netrition?

i really think it would there is a popular one that works wonderfully but i don't know if i can mention the brand here?

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by donnakd

Ok, gained 2.2 lbs on my 2 gorge days...today is my first day of the 500 calorie diet. So far all is well. I don't anticipate having a hard time today.

I have a question...has anyone used splenda as a sweetener? I am having a hard time getting used to stevia! I had my start date planned for 2 weeks before starting, so I had been blending it with splenda in hopes it would help(I had tried stevia before and knew it just isn't the same to me)....but it is just bitter to me. Maybe I should try saccharin...bitter too, but not as bitter(at least to me) as stevia. *sigh* Guess I shouldn't sweat the little things......

Ok, now someone help me with the abbreviations for where you are at on this journey...I'm in day 1 of the low calorie, and it is my first round.....Thanks!

another copy of those helpful links

Originally Posted by debkeversole

a couple of helpful links

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ot...ipes-only.html

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ot...ne-2010-a.html

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ot...-hcg-diet.html


http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ot...09-thread.html

hth

and those abbreviations

B/F: Boy Friend (can also be Best Friend)
BFing: Breast Feeding
BMR - Basal Metabolic Rate
BW or BS - bacteriostatic water

cc - cubic centimeters (equal to 1 ml)
DC - Dear or Darling Child
DD - Darling Daughter (we are never frustrated with our kids, are we?) Could very well be darn or dear, but is usually an endearment.
DH - Dear Husband (or Darn Husband as the case may be)
DS - Darling Son (See DD also)
DS - Diaper Swap
DW - Dear Wife (See DH)
Dr. S - Dr. A.T.W. Simeons
ETA - Edited to Add

HFE - High Fat Experiment
HFS-Health Food Store
HTH - Hope that helps
HWC - heavy whipping cream
IDK - I don't know
IM - Intramuscular
IMO - In my opinion
IMHO - In my humble opinion
IU - International Units

KT - Kevin Trudeau - author of "The Weight Loss Cure"
KWIM - Know What I Mean?
LCD - Low Calorie Diet
LIW - Last Injection Weight
LOL: Laugh(ing) out loud
LMSAO - Laughing My Shrinking A** Off
LSDW - Last Sublingual Dose Weight (also written LDW - Last Dose Weight)
ml - mililiters (equal to 1 cc)
MOMD - Master of My Domain
MWAH - an online kiss (the sound a kiss would make)
NHD - Naked Happy Dance
Onderland - onderland (one derland) is when your weight is in the 100's, so when someone is in their low 200's there may be discussion of entering onderland.

P1 - Phase 1 (KT's term) Cleansing phase
P2 - Phase 2 - Losing weight phase. Uses hCG and VLCD. Hypothalmus is resting.
P3 - Phase 3 - Maintaining weight loss phase. No hCG in this phase. Hypothalmus is resetting.
P4 - Phase 4 - Adding starches and sugars back to the diet.
P & I - Pounds & Inches (manuscript)
PM - Private Message

R2P2 - Round 2, Phase 2 or doing a second round of Phase 2
ROFLOL - Rolling on Floor, Laughing out Loud - also written ROFL
TOM - Time of Month (Menses)
VLCD - Very Low Calorie Diet
WLP - Weight Loss Protocol
YMMV - Your mileage may vary

In addition to the abbreviations, the terms Phase and Round may be unfamiliar. Dr. Simeons doesn't use these terms in Pounds & Inches, but Kevin does in his book. Dr Simeon's prefers to use the term "Courses"

Phase 1 (P1) - Cleansing phase, switching to organic.
Phase 2 (P2) - Taking hCG and doing Very Low Calorie Diet
Phase 3 (P3) - Three weeks or more, no hCG, increasing calories but eating NO sugars or starches (other than fruits)
Phase 4 (P4) - Gradually adding in unprocessed sugars and starches. This should be the way you eat for the rest of your life, occasionally enjoying "bad" food, but not eating it as a lifestyle.

If you are doing Phase 2 for the first time, you are doing Round 1 of Phase 2, or R1P2 or P2R1, whichever way you want to put it.

After you complete Phase 3 and 4 and return to Phase 2, you are on your second Round, R2P2, etc.

In other words,, your "ROUNDS" start with your 1st Injection (or Sublingual Dose) and last until you start another 1st Injection (or Sublingual Dose).

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Stina ~ I take 2 potassium tablets with lunch and dinner for a total of 4 for the day. That's about 400 mg or the equivalent of one banana. If I get those awful cramps I will add another 1-2 tablets. HTH

I tried to take more at one time but my feet were swelling at night. So I have to be careful on how many I take. 3 did the trick yesterday.

Originally Posted by Kathy

Netrition is considering the possibility of stocking a homeopathic version of hCG. Is this something you would be interested in IF it was available at Netrition?

It's a great idea as long as the prices are comparable. Hhcg is very inexpensive nowadays.

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

i really think it would there is a popular one that works wonderfully but i don't know if i can mention the brand here?

There should not be a problem with brand recommendations since the hHCG is FDA approved, made in the USA and totally legal in all states since it has no hcg in it. BUT, I will not mention brands because I don't want to violate TOS.

BUT, I believe Netrition would be wise to gather information here on what brands the homeopathics users like and don't like, which ones worked well or didn't, costs, etc., before making the decision to carry it.

[elise135]

Originally Posted by Kathy

Netrition is considering the possibility of stocking a homeopathic version of hCG. Is this something you would be interested in IF it was available at Netrition?

I think this would be great! I would prefer spending my money at Netrition!

[Kathy]

As noted in an earlier post, Netrition is considering the possibility of stocking a homeopathic version of hCG.

For purposes of this discussion only, it is okay to post the NAME of the HOMEOPATHIC version of hCG that members are using and whether you would recommend it.

Please do not post where you are purchasing it and do not post a link. Thank you.

[debkeversole]

Kathy the one my whole family and several friends and acquaintances on the net have used and liked is Mediral and they have two formulas Weight Loss and Detox

i prefer the Detox version myself the Weight Loss one contains extra amino acids that seem to make me grouchy! but others have said the opposite and prefer the Weight Loss version as with everything YMMV

i have had comparable results from the Mediral and the RX versions

HTH

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

There should not be a problem with brand recommendations since the hHCG is FDA approved, made in the USA and totally legal in all states since it has no hcg in it. BUT, I will not mention brands because I don't want to violate TOS.

BUT, I believe Netrition would be wise to gather information here on what brands the homeopathics users like and don't like, which ones worked well or didn't, costs, etc., before making the decision to carry it.

I totally agree.

Originally Posted by Kathy

As noted in an earlier post, Netrition is considering the possibility of stocking a homeopathic version of hCG.

For purposes of this discussion only, it is okay to post the NAME of the HOMEOPATHIC version of hCG that members are using and whether you would recommend it.

Please do not post where you are purchasing it and do not post a link. Thank you.

I use Mediral Detox, the same as Deb. I have used Power HCG and one from Professional Health Products but I think Mediral works best for me.

[Gracie514]

I use the homeopathic spray by My Fat Cure. I love it and would recommend to everyone. I do two sprays when I wake up in the morning and two sprays when I get home from work. It's easy and very convenient.

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

I use the homeopathic spray by My Fat Cure. I love it and would recommend to everyone. I do two sprays when I wake up in the morning and two sprays when I get home from work. It's easy and very convenient.

I might give that spray a try once my 2 bottles are gone. I'm still on my first of two bottles I bought for my LONG round! You spray it under the tongue just like the drops right?

[wmac]

Originally Posted by donnakd

Ok, gained 2.2 lbs on my 2 gorge days...today is my first day of the 500 calorie diet. So far all is well. I don't anticipate having a hard time today.

I have a question...has anyone used splenda as a sweetener? I am having a hard time getting used to stevia! I had my start date planned for 2 weeks before starting, so I had been blending it with splenda in hopes it would help(I had tried stevia before and knew it just isn't the same to me)....but it is just bitter to me. Maybe I should try saccharin...bitter too, but not as bitter(at least to me) as stevia. *sigh* Guess I shouldn't sweat the little things......

Ok, now someone help me with the abbreviations for where you are at on this journey...I'm in day 1 of the low calorie, and it is my first round.....Thanks!

I am on VLCD1 today too!

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

I might give that spray a try once my 2 bottles are gone. I'm still on my first of two bottles I bought for my LONG round! You spray it under the tongue just like the drops right?

No, you actually spray it in the roof of your mouth, not under the tongue. I had drops for my first round and I really like the spray better - just a convenience thing. I don't have to worry about drops during my work day!

[Tyl]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

No, you actually spray it in the roof of your mouth, not under the tongue. I had drops for my first round and I really like the spray better - just a convenience thing. I don't have to worry about drops during my work day!

is the spray once a day?

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by wmac

I am on VLCD1 today too!

reposting a couple of tips for those just starting

Tip #1

Be committed to at least a clean, by the book, first Round on P2 protocol. Commit to 23 days maximum, even if you feel like you need to do a longer 40 day round.

Committing to just 3 weeks instead of 6 makes this protocol much easier to stick with. Mark it off on your calendar. 3 weeks. After your initial 3 weeks, take it day by day and really check in with how you feel. It is okay to only do 25 days or 33 days or anything in between 23 days and 40 days.

It is the first 3 weeks that are critical to your long-term success. Everyday after is just icing on the cake.

Do not concern yourself with what others are doing. This isn't a contest. This is solely about YOU.

Tip #2

Plan out your menu on a weekly basis.

Prior to starting go to the store and buy your food supplies, just like you would any other supplies that you use on this protocol. Come up with a weekly menu.

Precut and precook as much of your menu items as you possibly can. I have cooked for an entire round at once. By that I mean, I make 4-6 servings of a particular dish and freeze most of it and put the rest in the fridge so that I can grab and go.

This will save you during those moments when you are too tired to cook or just in too much of a hurry.

Even if you can't cook everything, portion it out and freeze it so you can pull it out and thaw relatively easily and without much effort.

Be PREPARED.

Tip #3


Set small goals that you can easily achieve so that you get a sense of achievement everyday or every couple of days.

It is motivating to be able to reach and or exceed your goals and expectations. Set your ticker to reflect just the pounds you want to lose in this Round. Sometimes looking at your progress for 20-30 pounds is much easier on the brain than looking at 70,80,100 pounds. In other words bite off small chunks.

Average loss in 23 days is about 15 pounds. Make your goal 13. Average loss in 40 days is 34 or so pounds. Make your goal 25-30 pounds.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by chantyl03

is the spray once a day?

No, it's twice a day. I keep it in my night stand - spray 15 minutes before I get out of bed and then when I get home from work.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Kathy

Netrition is considering the possibility of stocking a homeopathic version of hCG. Is this something you would be interested in IF it was available at Netrition?

Yes indeed!!!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Kathy

As noted in an earlier post, Netrition is considering the possibility of stocking a homeopathic version of hCG.

For purposes of this discussion only, it is okay to post the NAME of the HOMEOPATHIC version of hCG that members are using and whether you would recommend it.

Please do not post where you are purchasing it and do not post a link. Thank you.

I used the Mediral Weight Loss Formula and have done well with it.

I have also used the one with a greenish label that has hcg 12x, 30x, 60 on it, no real name brand like the Mediral. I would have to link where to buy it as I have bought it from 2 different websites. But I guess you could google it like we all did!!

I highly recommend the homeopathic version (and have many times!) because I have lost 40 pounds while using it.

[sazzie]

Originally Posted by Kathy

Netrition is considering the possibility of stocking a homeopathic version of hCG. Is this something you would be interested in IF it was available at Netrition?

Yes, I would be interested!!

[gwynhyvar]

Originally Posted by Kathy

Netrition is considering the possibility of stocking a homeopathic version of hCG. Is this something you would be interested in IF it was available at Netrition?

That is a great idea. I've heard of people purchasing from all sorts of sources and getting bad batches of drops, etc. Having a reliable source from which to purchase would be a great help. Not to mention, consistent pricing!

I too use the spray, because the source was recommended to me as reliable in product and quality.

[UTDramaQueen]

And now for something completely different....

Has anyone ever done any canning with Splenda or any other sugar replacement? I have a batch of fruit trees in my garden and grew up with a Southern Nana so my prior canning experience involves LOTS of sugar. I want to be able to continue to can for winter but we're going to cut out most sugars as a general rule even in P4 and beyond.

Thoughts? Comments? Good article links?

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by UTDramaQueen

And now for something completely different....

Has anyone ever done any canning with Splenda or any other sugar replacement? I have a batch of fruit trees in my garden and grew up with a Southern Nana so my prior canning experience involves LOTS of sugar. I want to be able to continue to can for winter but we're going to cut out most sugars as a general rule even in P4 and beyond.

Thoughts? Comments? Good article links?

i believe Grizzy does but she mostly posts in the PG now maybe start a thread there or in the recipe section to ask??

[debkeversole]

thought this might be helpful

Phase 1: Phase one is preparing for the diet. This is a preparatory phase that is very important but many skip. We recommend at least reading Pounds and Inches and trying one of the detox methods as you await your shipment. You can use this time to read Pounds and Inches, do your measurements( check out the myotape) and work on detoxing your body to prepare for the diet.
Phase 2: When you start taking the hCG drops is the beginning of phase 2. The first 3 days of phase 2 you will be eating a high fat diet while taking your drops 3x a day. Hold the drops under your tongue for a minimum of two minutes to absorb the hCG sublingually. You will then start building your fat reserves while the hCG is starting to build in your system. On Day 4 you will begin your start of the VLCD diet. This will be 500 calories while taking the hCG 3x a day. There are two programs a 23 day plan and a 43 day plan. Depending on which you are on you will continue the 500 calorie diet.

Phase 3: This phase is one of the most important phases of the diet. The goal here is maintenance. You do not want to lose or gain during this 3 week period following your last dosage weight. Dr. Simeons says in Pounds and Inches you are resetting your hypothalomus to this new weight so your body will remember it and it will keep you from gaining back weight in the future. You do not want your weight do go above or below 2lbs. of your LDW. During this cycle you are to have 1500 calories including fats with no starches or sugars. If you need more calories to maintain (if you are still losing on 1500 increase your calories to avoid any weight fluctuations, men especially sometimes need to do this to keep their LDW). After you have reached stabilization you will want to slowly start adding in items one at a time to see how your body responds. You will monitor this by weighing daily and seeing if a new food has caused you to gain. If you experience a gain during your stabilization period immediately do a Steak Day or Alternative Correction Day.

Phase 4: After 3 weeks of Phase 3 you are ready for phase 4. phase. We do not ever want to return to our previous weight and will want to maintain and stay at our LDW. Phase 4 is actually easy once you have stabilized correctly. If you happen to have an off day the weight comes right back off easily and you can continue this process. In Phase 4 you can begin to add back in limited sugars and starches. I know for me I love chocolate and have tested this in phase 4, while I do not eat it everyday I have been able to enjoy the “treats” in life i.e. Pizza, a donut, cereal etc when testing the phase 4 lifestyle with no gains. You will always want to monitor your weight so that if you have a serious gain you can correct it, but it is easier to have a treat in p4 and actually see no gain at all.
I hope this information was helpful.

[donnakd]

Thanks so much for all the information. It is great to have this support.

As of right now I am hungry, but determined to get through the day. I know if I can make it through this first week I will be ok.....

I like the thought of making the commitment to 3 weeks.....that makes it a little easier to think about!

And I, too, would be interested in purchasing the hhcg from netrition. I would consider it to be a safe purchase. And I would also feel comfortable telling someone else to purchase from netrition.

Ok, so my R1P1D1 is nearly over........

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by donnakd

Thanks so much for all the information. It is great to have this support.

As of right now I am hungry, but determined to get through the day. I know if I can make it through this first week I will be ok.....

I like the thought of making the commitment to 3 weeks.....that makes it a little easier to think about!

And I, too, would be interested in purchasing the hhcg from netrition. I would consider it to be a safe purchase. And I would also feel comfortable telling someone else to purchase from netrition.

Ok, so my R1P1D1 is nearly over........

you need you some yerbe mate tea!! really helps the hunger AND they have chocolate

add one drop of chocolate stevia and you feel like you are cheating!

also did you get some potassium supplements?? i think netrition has the 99mg one?? at minimum 3 a day and Gracie says 2 twice a day = the potassium in a banana REALLY help stall off the cramping we can get from all that water flushing the fat out! HTH

if the hunger continues past these first 3 days (real hunger not just head hunger) play around with your dose some (you are doing HHCG right? not RX?)
my instructions were 15 drops 3 times a day and that worked well for me

others have done various combinations to find what works best for them

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by donnakd

Thanks so much for all the information. It is great to have this support.

As of right now I am hungry, but determined to get through the day. I know if I can make it through this first week I will be ok.....

I like the thought of making the commitment to 3 weeks.....that makes it a little easier to think about!

And I, too, would be interested in purchasing the hhcg from netrition. I would consider it to be a safe purchase. And I would also feel comfortable telling someone else to purchase from netrition.

Ok, so my R1P1D1 is nearly over........

Round 1 would be your first time using hcg.
P1 would be the cleansing phase according to Kevin trudeau - most people don't follow that.
P2 would be Very Low Calorie Days.
VLCD or D would be the number of days you are on VLCD.

Unless you are doing the cleansing, I am guessing you are on R1P2D1. Did you load ?