Do you have to do Simeons's for Hcg to Work?

[SCOTTSDALEJULIE]

Do you think Subliminal hcg would work doing A low carb diet, or for it to work do you need to do Simeon's diet. I'm just wondering if this could be a supplement to help jump start and continue with weight loss on low carb. Thanks so much. Sorry, I am so confused. Julie

[Victrola]

Originally Posted by SCOTTSDALEJULIE

Do you think Subliminal hcg would work doing A low carb diet, or for it to work do you need to do Simeon's diet. I'm just wondering if this could be a supplement to help jump start and continue with weight loss on low carb. Thanks so much. Sorry, I am so confused. Julie

No, while you're on the actual drops you have to stick to the 500 calorie plan.

However, after your round is over, you are meant to transition over to what is essentially a low carb plan.

If you overeat while on the drops, you'll gain.

[SCOTTSDALEJULIE]

Thanks, not for me. Julie

[dawnyama]

Sorry you feel that way Julie. The 500 calorie portion is only for 21 days. You can (or at least I can!!) do anything for 21 days!! LOL. I have lost 40 pounds on this plan and feel great!!! Knowing about and following a low carb diet has given me great success on what we call Phase 3--where you cut out starch and sugar and where you quit doing the 500 calories. The restrictive part is not that long a time frame at all--just seems to fly by!!

[SCOTTSDALEJULIE]

Dawn, I've done 500 calories in the past, and always gained back more than I weighed when I started. Seems that it shuts down my metabolism, and when I start to eat, there is all that fat again. Julie

[Victrola]

Originally Posted by SCOTTSDALEJULIE

Dawn, I've done 500 calories in the past, and always gained back more than I weighed when I started. Seems that it shuts down my metabolism, and when I start to eat, there is all that fat again. Julie

Julie, none of us who are doing the 500 calories are doing it without the HCG! That definitely is dangerous and doesn't work, anyway!

But, I'm not here to convert you or preach at you or anything like that. It's working for quite a few of us, so if it's something you want to learn more about, you certainly can.

If it's not of any interest, then low carbing is still definitely a better option.

[dawnyama]

OH, I certainly agree with Victrola!! I would never do 500 calories without the hcg!! ANd then when you come off the hcg you follow a specific plan so that you don't gain the weight back!! It is all written out in Dr Simeon's P&I. This resets your metabolism so that you can eat after you are done with the 5oo calorie part. That is the most fabulous part about the plan!!! You have to follow ALL the parts for the whole to work. Those who gain the weight back don't follow the Pounds and Inches plan written by Dr. Simeons. I have lost 40 pounds and intend on keeping it off forever! Just like Victorla, not trying to conver, just explain the whole hcg plan. It cannot be done piecemeal.

[jlp2009]

I have tried to find information about this, because at first, it sounded appealing to me. Rapid weight loss... but if one must maintain 500 cal. a day or gain weight, and the drops by themselves do nothing, what the heck do the drops do except lighten your wallet? At 500 cal. a day, if a person could stick to that, one is bound to lose weight. Do the drops keep you from being hungry?
They are quite expensive and I am trying to find something else to do since I have gained 20 lbs. doing low carb (not following Atkins Induction though). I keep telling myself that I don't want to go back to low fat which I followed with success for many years but the food is not as tasty as LC.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by jlp2009

I have tried to find information about this, because at first, it sounded appealing to me. Rapid weight loss... but if one must maintain 500 cal. a day or gain weight, and the drops by themselves do nothing, what the heck do the drops do except lighten your wallet? At 500 cal. a day, if a person could stick to that, one is bound to lose weight. Do the drops keep you from being hungry?
They are quite expensive and I am trying to find something else to do since I have gained 20 lbs. doing low carb (not following Atkins Induction though). I keep telling myself that I don't want to go back to low fat which I followed with success for many years but the food is not as tasty as LC.

Read POUNDS AND INCHES available free on the internet and yes the drops both Homeopathic and RX along with RX injections DO work when done the way Dr. S wrote

if you are truly interested in it read pounds and inches several times

[jlp2009]

Thank you Deb. I read that, but only once so far.

[debkeversole]

a couple of helpful links

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ot...ipes-only.html

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ot...ne-2010-a.html

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ot...-hcg-diet.html


http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ot...09-thread.html

hth

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by jlp2009

I have tried to find information about this, because at first, it sounded appealing to me. Rapid weight loss... but if one must maintain 500 cal. a day or gain weight, and the drops by themselves do nothing, what the heck do the drops do except lighten your wallet? At 500 cal. a day, if a person could stick to that, one is bound to lose weight. Do the drops keep you from being hungry?
They are quite expensive and I am trying to find something else to do since I have gained 20 lbs. doing low carb (not following Atkins Induction though). I keep telling myself that I don't want to go back to low fat which I followed with success for many years but the food is not as tasty as LC.

When you say one must maintain at 500 calories a day.....you must not have understood what you were reading!! You lose while eating the 500 calories a day, the hcg releases about 1500 to 2000 of your own fat calories. Then when you are done with losing the weight there is a set time frame for when you "lock in" your weight loss and reset your weight set point. It is all explained in Simeons' Pounds and Inches. I hope you read it AND understand it!!

[jlp2009]

What I meant by the "maintain" was not to maintain weight but to maintain 500 cal. /day. Sorry for the confusion. I should have worded that differently.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by jlp2009

What I meant by the "maintain" was not to maintain weight but to maintain 500 cal. /day. Sorry for the confusion. I should have worded that differently.

the 500 cal per day is ONLY while you are dosing( for me that is only 23 days at a time) i am on the next phase from that and i probably consume 2500 calories per day and i have maintained(which is what i am supposed to do on this phase) my last dose weight of 291.2 HTH

[jlp2009]

Deb,
You've lost a lot of wieght using this method. How long has it taken? After your 21 day cycle do you go off the HCG for awhile? Do you really not feel hungry when you are eating only 500 cal / day for those 21 days? That is the hardest part for me to grasp because 500 cal isn't much and I would think one would be hungry and miserable constantly. I know the literature says that the drops pull the fat or calories out of the body so a person isn't supposed to be hungry, but I don't believe everything I read! I just would like to hear it from someone who has actually used the product.
Thanks.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by jlp2009

Deb,
You've lost a lot of wieght using this method. How long has it taken? After your 21 day cycle do you go off the HCG for awhile? Do you really not feel hungry when you are eating only 500 cal / day for those 21 days? That is the hardest part for me to grasp because 500 cal isn't much and I would think one would be hungry and miserable constantly. I know the literature says that the drops pull the fat or calories out of the body so a person isn't supposed to be hungry, but I don't believe everything I read! I just would like to hear it from someone who has actually used the product.
Thanks.

i started Oct 8 2009

did 23 dosing days and 2 VLCD without dosing to get it out of my system (lost 21.8 pounds) before eating kinda like Atkins Induction, then 3 weeks of no starch no sugar without dosing eating until i was full and maintaining within 2 pounds of the day i stopped dosing then 3 more weeks after that of adding back in those starches and sugars leaving anything out that seemed to cause a gain so a total of 6 weeks in between my first round and second without dosing and i think i was eating about 2500 calories a day

i liked it so much i did another round starting Christmas Day 2009 have to get my notebook out to look at the stats on that round i just remember round one so much because i hadn't lost 20 pounds in a YEAR before let alone less than a month and KEPT it off!!

that makes up one round and YES no hunger now sometimes there was head hunger especially if there was a delicious smell i am not saying it is always easy but out of EVERYTHING i have ever tried it honestly has been the easiest thing i have done any difficulty is balanced out by there being actual weight loss to measure! like a present on the scale everyday without exercise

on my first round i did have one day that i had kinda like morning sickness scared my DH to death (both of us 41 at the time LOL) and once when we had real hunger we were at a doctor's appointment 65 miles away and it took HOURS longer than anticipated and we were doing HHCG and missed our middle dose for the day and hadn't brought any apples or anything with us
so i learned to carry a bottle of HHCG in my purse at all times and when we traveled to at least have apples with us

this all was made a bit easier for me cause my DH and DS14(at the time) did it with me so we all had the same foods etc but i did my third round without DH and DS and it was not as bad as i thought it would be fixing regular food for them
so in 4 rounds i have went from 352 to 291.2

in 3 rounds DH has went from 223.4 to 177
and DS went from 342.2 to288.2 and we are stabilizing there just like we are supposed to!! DH is probably done but DS15 and I are going to start another short round July 3rd i think to see if we can get a little more off of us before school starts back i would LOVE to have to replace ALL of his clothes for this school year!

HTH i can be long winded at times!

[sweetlisa]

HI I have been on the HCG for a week now not strickly sticking to the plan I have just been eating the allowed foods till im satisfied and not counting calories and have not lost any weight. I find it very hard to stick with 500 calories a day. I would recommend atkins any day over this plan . but then the last time I did atkins I barley lost any weight at all. so I was hoping this would work. I seem to be stuck between 190-200 pounds . so today I started a meat & egg fast , im not sure if I should continue the HCG shots or not.

my husband on the other hand started the HCG diet 3 months ago and lost 50 pounds. he was so tired though from not eating hardly anything there were days he would sleep all day. well he managed to maintain his ending weight for about a month then over the last few months of normal eating he gained it all back except for 15 pounds. so I do believe it lowers the metabolism .

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by sweetlisa

HI I have been on the HCG for a week now not strickly sticking to the plan I have just been eating the allowed foods till im satisfied and not counting calories and have not lost any weight. I find it very hard to stick with 500 calories a day. I would recommend atkins any day over this plan . but then the last time I did atkins I barley lost any weight at all. so I was hoping this would work. I seem to be stuck between 190-200 pounds . so today I started a meat & egg fast , im not sure if I should continue the HCG shots or not.

my husband on the other hand started the HCG diet 3 months ago and lost 50 pounds. he was so tired though from not eating hardly anything there were days he would sleep all day. well he managed to maintain his ending weight for about a month then over the last few months of normal eating he gained it all back except for 15 pounds. so I do believe it lowers the metabolism .

you have admitted yourself you did not follow the plan as written!!!!! right there is your problem you need to finish out your 23 doses as written or you can mess your hypothalamus even further i wish you luck but don't blame the plan if you aren't going to follow it and after you stop dosing VLCD for 3 days if you are doing shots then 3 weeks no sugars no starches then go back to whatever you like

i started at 352 very much used to eating and have been able to do the 500 calories without hunger

have you read ANY of the monthly threads?? honestly this can't be done if you aren't going to follow Dr. Simeons Protocol
and my metabolism is much better now i can walk a mile and half with out getting winded could never have done this before
most everyone who has been intentional and no cheats no modifications has success with this MOST without any hunger while dosing please re read the original pounds and inches available free on the web

[debkeversole]

oh and please don't do the meat and egg fast while dosing or for 3 days after you stop dosing!! it will all just be more weight added on

[sweetlisa]

I was writing this not to put down your plan but to advice SCOTTSDALEJULIE,
of my experience and my husbands experience with the plan so far, and yes I read pounds and inches twice, what works for one person may not work for another. so please dont get upset at me & yell at me for being honest.
and no I have not gained weight but I have not lost weight either. I have not eaten any sugar at all , no white flour at all and very low fat , I have stayed on the same foods on the allowed list but I dident count calories, and I have not lost weight. just being honest.

[dawnyama]

sweetlisa or anyone doing this plan---if you follow it to a "T" then you will lose weight. You said yourself you are not doing it the way it was written!! Therefore you are not doing the Simeons Pounds & Inches. I have done 4 rounds and lost 40 pounds. I followed the plan "as written" to lose my weight. I also did not count 1 single calorie. However, I did weigh my meats to that I wouldn't go over the allowed amount. I cannot imagine anyone not losing on this plan....the key is not "no sugar, no white flour". The key is to follow the food plan as written.......very simple and doable!! And sorry if your husband has not followed the maintenance portion of the plan as well. If he did he would be within his LIW window. You are to weigh yourself everyday and do correction days as needed. That way your weight doesn't get out of control. Maintenance is adding in foods slowly so you can see if that food is OK for you to include in your diet or you should be cutting it out. It is all in P&I. I am going to maintain this for life and plan on doing it the correct way so I don't have to go through this again!! And Deb has done a wonderful job!! She has had good and bad times while on the hcg as we all have and during the maintenance phase but we are there for each other and support as well as offer help. I wish you would join us over on the hcg thread---we might could help you through the tough times.

[sweetlisa]

My husband did everything correctly as written in pounds and inches , he did complete the maintenance phase correctly also. and he gained the weight back but 15 pounds. im only eating maybe 800 calories a day now on a normal diet I would be losing weight , on HCG im not . and once again im replying to SCOTTSDALEJULIE post asking can I lose weight doing HCG without sticking to the 500 calorie plan as written!. obviously thats a no.

will the weight stay off after stopping the diet not if you try to eat normally again.

[debkeversole]

yes it will and DOES if you do a correction day any time your weight is up 2 pounds that is in P&I if he has gained back 35 then he didn't catch it at 2 pounds gained

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by sweetlisa

HI I have been on the HCG for a week now not strickly sticking to the plan I have just been eating the allowed foods till im satisfied and not counting calories and have not lost any weight. I find it very hard to stick with 500 calories a day. I would recommend atkins any day over this plan . but then the last time I did atkins I barley lost any weight at all. so I was hoping this would work. I seem to be stuck between 190-200 pounds . so today I started a meat & egg fast , im not sure if I should continue the HCG shots or not.

my husband on the other hand started the HCG diet 3 months ago and lost 50 pounds. he was so tired though from not eating hardly anything there were days he would sleep all day. well he managed to maintain his ending weight for about a month then over the last few months of normal eating he gained it all back except for 15 pounds. so I do believe it lowers the metabolism .

I am sorry to have misinterpreted your post! I am so sorry. You were responding to Julie in telling her that IF you don't follow the plan as written you will not get the results you are looking for. I get it now! DUH!!! It only takes us a while for us to catch on!! We are such die hard hcg fans that we cannot imagine it not working and you have proven it right! Follow P&I and wonderful things happen; don't and it won't! Simple!!!

But I don't agree with you on one point you make--you say that you believe that it lowers your metabolism. I disagree. I have seen people eat 3000 calories after being done with their hcg and maintain their weight. I have seen it on yahoo groups as well as other hcg forums. It all comes down to what "eating normally" really means. What eating normally meant back in the 1950's is totally not what eating normally is today, for sure!!!!!!!!! I wish you well on the plan you persue, but I don't suggest doing hcg with anything other than the plan Dr S perscribed.

[Northwillow]

Marking the thread.

[sweetlisa]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

yes it will and DOES if you do a correction day any time your weight is up 2 pounds that is in P&I if he has gained back 35 then he didn't catch it at 2 pounds gained

yes thats where he went wrong. he started eating sugar off and on and was not weighing himself about a month later he stepped on the scale and oops he is back up 35 or so pounds.

update:well I had tried the diet strictly sticking to the protocol for a few days following my last post on here and I got a bad migraine and blurry vision and my arms and hands went numb. so my DH insisted I stopped the HCG. now im back to trying to find something that will work for me.

[Healthy and Happy]

Has anyone tried doing hcg or hhcg with a 500 calorie high fat diet? Similar to the Atkins fat fast but keeping it to 500 cals? Just wondering if it would work better than the low fat 500 cal plan.

[mybigbutt]

I think if you are eating too much fat, you would burn what you are eating and won't burn your fat stores. But, I could be wrong.

[kimberlybimberly]

Originally Posted by thin in 2010

Has anyone tried doing hcg or hhcg with a 500 calorie high fat diet? Similar to the Atkins fat fast but keeping it to 500 cals? Just wondering if it would work better than the low fat 500 cal plan.

No and No!!!

[GME]

I have been wondering about this myself. I see a thyroid doctor that is part of a large practice and one of the things they do is weight loss. Their website says:

HCG Injection for Weight Loss
HCG, which stands for human chorionic gonadotropin, is a hormone produced during pregnancy. Research has shown that a small amount injected everyday can aid in weight loss. While most studies were done in combination with a very low calorie diet, it may aid in the selective reduction of fat and reduce appetite, increasing the effectiveness of any diet. There is also evidence that it may reduced the risk of breast cancer and improve prostate health.

Anyone have any experience with something other than the Simeons protocal? I have read Pounds and Inches, but like someone already said, it was written quite a while ago.

I already do a calorie cycling plan where I eat 500 calories every other day. Any ideas how that would work if I used the hcg on my low cal days?

I'll ask when I go for my next appt but that isn't until September.