Simeons HCG protocol--May 2010

[Calli777]

Originally Posted by Victrola

Yup. San Francisco is a very walkable town.

This is probably a really dumb question but have you tried meditation and lavender?

I have a track from Carolyn Conger called Altered State and Transformation. I fall asleep...when Im trying not too...every time I listen to it. It really is the most amazing meditation I have ever done...its all about transforming your body. I think I found it on her website and it was only 99cents to download.

[Victrola]

Originally Posted by Calli777

This is probably a really dumb question but have you tried meditation and lavender?

I have a track from Carolyn Conger called Altered State and Transformation. I fall asleep...when Im trying not too...every time I listen to it. It really is the most amazing meditation I have ever done...its all about transforming your body. I think I found it on her website and it was only 99cents to download.

Heh. I'm too high strung for meditation and I hate the smell of lavender!

Thanks for all the ideas, everyone - I'm NOT an easy case in this matter.

[MandyRae7]

Yey.. finally a loss... I'm down 1.2 today which puts me at 125.8!! One week left to go and hopefully I will be at 122 or lower!


Victorola - my doctor said sometimes its a Vitamin C deficiancy as to why you can't sleep and suggested taking like 2500 mg before bed. Seems like a lot, but worth a try maybe?!?

[MandyRae7]

Oh and I want to add that since I've been logging everything into my Fit Day Calorie Counter it really keeps me in check on what I'm eating. Thank you to whoever suggested that to me.

[Calli777]

Originally Posted by MandyRae7

Yey.. finally a loss... I'm down 1.2 today which puts me at 125.8!! One week left to go and hopefully I will be at 122 or lower!


Victorola - my doctor said sometimes its a Vitamin C deficiancy as to why you can't sleep and suggested taking like 2500 mg before bed. Seems like a lot, but worth a try maybe?!?

Way to go!!!

[Calli777]

Originally Posted by Victrola

Well, my scale is fairly new, so it's not that.

The biggest thing is that I have not slept well at all the last two nights. And sometimes I just stay up all night, but these two nights I was trying to sleep to no avail.

Last two days I haven't gotten any vegetables in except a half a cucumber. Just haven't been hungry and have forgotten about them.

Monday was 4 oz of chicken breast and 3 oz of round steak, both sauteed in water & hot sauce and salted with sea salt. Yesterday was 7 ounce of deli roast beef but it was a kind that was virtually fat free and had no sugar or starch additives. Two grissini on each day. An apple and a good handful of strawberries on both days. Lots of water.

Nothing different in lotions or anything, all my products are already oil-free, so I didn't change anything there. I have really sensitive skin so I'm pretty aware of the ingredients. TOM was last week and Bernice last visited Sunday night.

Could it possibly be the deli roast beef? Im just guessing that the processing of the meat may have extra salt or stuff

[Calli777]

Originally Posted by Victrola

Heh. I'm too high strung for meditation and I hate the smell of lavender!

Thanks for all the ideas, everyone - I'm NOT an easy case in this matter.

LOL...Vic that's the point of meditation for those of us who are high strung. Believe me I bounce around like a fart in a hot skillet!!!! And DF knows when I do NOT meditate LOL

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Calli777

Could it possibly be the deli roast beef? Im just guessing that the processing of the meat may have extra salt or stuff

Oh, I didn't even notice that! I think you are right - that is definitely not a protocol food. The deli meats have hidden sugars, fillers, etc. Roast beef isn't on the allowed food list. My only advice would be to drink lots of water today to try and flush it out.

[Victrola]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Oh, I didn't even notice that! I think you are right - that is definitely not a protocol food. The deli meats have hidden sugars, fillers, etc. Roast beef isn't on the allowed food list. My only advice would be to drink lots of water today to try and flush it out.

Well, most do! This one was only meat, water, and salt. Nothing even ending in -ose. Yes, 99% of deli meats have the fillers, but this one didn't.

I'm not sure I see the difference (just curious) between 7 ounces of lean steak and 7 ounces of lean roast beef? It's just weird that one might make a difference.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Victrola

Well, most do! This one was only meat, water, and salt. Nothing even ending in -ose. Yes, 99% of deli meats have the fillers, but this one didn't.

I'm not sure I see the difference (just curious) between 7 ounces of lean steak and 7 ounces of lean roast beef? It's just weird that one might make a difference.

I honestly don't know the difference but I would guess it's not on the list for a reason. I believe back when Dr. Simeons tested the protocol he tested all meats and chose the menu he did because of the results. Maybe too much salt? I'll bet that's why you had that jump up in weight though. In my first round I had a whole week of no losses until I figured out the garlic salt I was using had High Fructose Corn Syrup in it!!! Each day is a lesson to find what works best for us.

[Victrola]

I guess at least I can be certain it's not WEIGHT weight. I mean, how could that be possible on these calories??

I'm calmer now.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Victrola

I guess at least I can be certain it's not WEIGHT weight. I mean, how could that be possible on these calories??

I'm calmer now.

Good! No need to stress yourself out over it. Just think water, water, water, water, chug, chug, chug today

[Selahgal]

I ate all kinds of beef during P2 ... steak, roasts, hamburger ... I mean it just says BEEF !!!

Now processed lunchmeat is another story for sure.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

I ate all kinds of beef during P2 ... steak, roasts, hamburger ... I mean it just say BEEF !!!

Now processed lunchmeat is another story for sure.

Yeah, I eat all kinds of beef too with no problems - actually have a roast in the crock pot cooking right now! Num Num Num Num

[pennylovesdarren]

Originally Posted by wishbone

R1P2VLCD26 26 pounds gone.

Awesome wishbone!

Originally Posted by Calli777

I lost 1 3/4" from my waist!! Down 1.6lbs this morning!! Yup, I was doing the pineapple dance alrighty!!!! It was even funnier when DF and my two dalmatians joined in!!!

Super Calli! WTG!

Originally Posted by stinastina

Today I am down 1.2 pounds ! I hit my mini goal of 210 and am planning to start P3 on Sunday.

Yay Stinastina!

Originally Posted by MandyRae7

Yey.. finally a loss... I'm down 1.2 today which puts me at 125.8!! One week left to go and hopefully I will be at 122 or lower!

MandyRae! Good job!

[doxielove]

I need your opinions. It's time for my first correction day. What do you think works best - a steak day, a chicken day, or an egg day? And if I did an egg day, can I cook them in butter or do they have to be dry? Thanks for your input!

[MandyRae7]

steak day

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by doxielove

I need your opinions. It's time for my first correction day. What do you think works best - a steak day, a chicken day, or an egg day? And if I did an egg day, can I cook them in butter or do they have to be dry? Thanks for your input!

I've never done an egg day so I don't know but I think you can use butter. I've done steak days and they work good. I actually don't follow it to a "T" - I will eat an apple or grapefruit for lunch and then for dinner have a nice big steak with a tomatoe. I can't go all day without eating anything. The day I did a chicken day my results weren't very good.

How far above your LDW are you? I've gone 3-4 pounds above and just done very clean P3 eating for a couple days and got back down. A typical clean day would look like this:

B: coffee w/HWC + splenda
eggs cooked in butter w/veggies
Snack: raw nuts
L: Big salad w/veggies with oil & vinegar
Snack: boiled egg
D: 6-8 ounces of protein with steamed veggies w/butter or sour cream
snack: berries with sour cream + splenda (vanilla)

If you would follow this menu for a day or two your body will correct itself.

[Gracie514]

Somebody ( I can't remember!!!) was looking for a sample P3 menu. This one is based on higher fat/lower protein.

B: coffee/hwc
2 eggs - 4 strips bacon - mushed all together w/ sour cream

snack: celery w/ cream cheese - or - 2 tbs almond butter

L: 1 cup full fat fage yogurt mixed with almonds/stevia (can add berries)
-or-
a huge salad w/ veggies, 100 grams protein & bleu cheese dressing

D: 6 ounces of protein
asparagus or broccoli or brussel sprouts with cheese sauce
(make with sour cream, mayo, and parmesan cheese)

Snacks: almonds/macadamia nuts (RAW)
hard boiled eggs
berries w/ cream or sour cream mixed with splenda
apple w/almond butter

* If you look there's not a ton of processed crap or cheese in these menus.

[Calli777]

Thanks Gracie! It was me...I know I have a couple weeks to go but Im too much of a planner/organizer to not look down the road!!!

So are Avocado's ok too? Is there any certain numbers (ie: cal, pro, carb) that we are supposed to be careful of other than no bad starches?

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Calli777

Thanks Gracie! It was me...I know I have a couple weeks to go but Im too much of a planner/organizer to not look down the road!!!

So are Avocado's ok too? Is there any certain numbers (ie: cal, pro, carb) that we are supposed to be careful of other than no bad starches?

Yes, avocado's are fine in P3. There are no other guidelines besides no sugars or starches. My calories are usually around 2500 and I maintain fine. You want to make sure your calories are increased so you stabilize at a higher calorie intake. The best way is to just keep it simple - veggies, fruits (low-sugar), proteins, and fats. I do eat the Atkins PB bars on P3 but I haven't had any issues with them either.

[Calli777]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Yes, avocado's are fine in P3. There are no other guidelines besides no sugars or starches. My calories are usually around 2500 and I maintain fine. You want to make sure your calories are increased so you stabilize at a higher calorie intake. The best way is to just keep it simple - veggies, fruits (low-sugar), proteins, and fats. I do eat the Atkins PB bars on P3 but I haven't had any issues with them either.

Got it...and what is up with the recommendation for Dukes mayo? Hellmans is a no-no?

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Calli777

Got it...and what is up with the recommendation for Dukes mayo? Hellmans is a no-no?

Hellmans probably has sugar while Dukes doesn't???

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by Calli777

Got it...and what is up with the recommendation for Dukes mayo? Hellmans is a no-no?

yup dukes reg has no sugar while dukes light does!! dukes is yummy! and walmart has it make sure it is the reg though

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Somebody ( I can't remember!!!) was looking for a sample P3 menu. This one is based on higher fat/lower protein.

B: coffee/hwc
2 eggs - 4 strips bacon - mushed all together w/ sour cream

snack: celery w/ cream cheese - or - 2 tbs almond butter

L: 1 cup full fat fage yogurt mixed with almonds/stevia (can add berries)
-or-
a huge salad w/ veggies, 100 grams protein & bleu cheese dressing

D: 6 ounces of protein
asparagus or broccoli or brussel sprouts with cheese sauce
(make with sour cream, mayo, and parmesan cheese)

Snacks: almonds/macadamia nuts (RAW)
hard boiled eggs
berries w/ cream or sour cream mixed with splenda
apple w/almond butter

* If you look there's not a ton of processed crap or cheese in these menus.

OMGoodness, we can have YOGURT ?!?!
AND AVocados !?!

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by stinastina

OMGoodness, we can have YOGURT ?!?!
AND AVocados !?!

P3 right?? as long as no sugar go for it!! higher fat is the way to go!! avacodos are most def, allowed!! homemade whipped cream HWC and your favorite sweetener! ENJOY!!

oh and i highly recommend trying the sour cream with toranis or davincis in it!!

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

P3 right?? as long as no sugar go for it!! higher fat is the way to go!! avacodos are most def, allowed!! homemade whipped cream HWC and your favorite sweetener! ENJOY!!

oh and i highly recommend trying the sour cream with toranis or davincis in it!!

Yes, I'm starting P3 on Mother's Day. Deb, do you know if unsweetened dark chocolate or almond flour is okay on P3 ? Or even coconut flour ?

[metqa]

Originally Posted by Victrola

My neighbor's cats (that spend as much time at my house as they do hers) brought me a tiny, tiny dead mouse.

I think they know I'm on the protocol because the last time they brought me a dead rodent it was a honking huge rat!

Originally Posted by Calli777

For those who are doing or have done P3....what are some typical menus during this phase? Are you allowed to snack on allowed items? P&I does not get very specific about this part. Is it true that the fiber in veggies cannot be subtracted from the total carbs? Is there a target number of healthy carbs to stay below?

You've got a lot of different diet plans you are tryng to reconcile here and it really is much simpler than that. Avoid sugar : not natural sugar occuring in vegetables and low sugar fruit, but processed sugar, any thing that is exclusively sugar like honey or syrup, or whatever, and High sugar fruits like bananas, mangoes, apricots, anything with naturally syrupy drippings. Avoid starch. Not naturally occurring starch as in in low starch veggies and nuts like almonds and pumpkin, but foods that are primarily starch like any grassy grains like rice, wheat, corn, tapioca, (ie bread, pudding, tortilla, ) etc, starchy roots like potatoes, carrots in mod, you know.

Now talking about subtracting fiber is part of Atkins that some people accept and some do not. I don't count fiber but then I'm not really counting carbs. But when I look at my ****** Profile, I will subtract the fiber count from the total carbs to see how much natural carbs I've consumed for the day from my fruits, berries, veggies and nuts. I don't want to have too many carbs so I do look at that.

I think the best thing is to use a calorie calculator to figure out how much you SHOULD be eating AND MAKE SURE TO EAT THAT MUCH as often as possible. and just keep the no sugar/starch principle which means your menues can be whatever you want. Choose a plan and make sure to not include sugar/starch.

Originally Posted by doxielove

I need your opinions. It's time for my first correction day. What do you think works best - a steak day, a chicken day, or an egg day? And if I did an egg day, can I cook them in butter or do they have to be dry? Thanks for your input!

Egg Days you can can fat, in butter or mayonaise, or your cooking oil of choice

There is no BEST, some work better than others for individuals. If you can fast all day, go for steak if eating a lot of meat at once doesn't make you ill. If you'd rather browse, Roast a chicken for Breakfast and eat on that all day as your hunger guides you. Nut Days were good for me while on the Road cause they were portable . Egg days are great if you are creative and love eggs.

Originally Posted by Calli777

Thanks Gracie! It was me...I know I have a couple weeks to go but Im too much of a planner/organizer to not look down the road!!!

So are Avocado's ok too? Is there any certain numbers (ie: cal, pro, carb) that we are supposed to be careful of other than no bad starches?

Avocadoes are Great, good fat and vitamins. I pretty much figured my calories for maintaining and my eating seems to keep my carbs around 30 or less (after subtracting fiber) , so I make up the rest of my calories with my meat and fats. I pretty much eat what I want or what I have. Just look at what you like to eat, what were your menues like before P2 and adjust them to fit. General Low carb maintenance, sans grains and sugary foods, is a great point to start if you don't have any menus that you are confident of.

Originally Posted by Calli777

Got it...and what is up with the recommendation for Dukes mayo? Hellmans is a no-no?

Besides tasting totally Awesome for store mayo, it has no sugar used in the ingredients, so it's not as sweet as some, but it has a great "grown up" flavor.

[Calli777]

Originally Posted by metqa

You've got a lot of different diet plans you are tryng to reconcile here and it really is much simpler than that. Avoid sugar : not natural sugar occuring in vegetables and low sugar fruit, but processed sugar, any thing that is exclusively sugar like honey or syrup, or whatever, and High sugar fruits like bananas, mangoes, apricots, anything with naturally syrupy drippings. Avoid starch. Not naturally occurring starch as in in low starch veggies and nuts like almonds and pumpkin, but foods that are primarily starch like any grassy grains like rice, wheat, corn, tapioca, (ie bread, pudding, tortilla, ) etc, starchy roots like potatoes, carrots in mod, you know.

Now talking about subtracting fiber is part of Atkins that some people accept and some do not. I don't count fiber but then I'm not really counting carbs. But when I look at my ****** Profile, I will subtract the fiber count from the total carbs to see how much natural carbs I've consumed for the day from my fruits, berries, veggies and nuts. I don't want to have too many carbs so I do look at that.

I think the best thing is to use a calorie calculator to figure out how much you SHOULD be eating AND MAKE SURE TO EAT THAT MUCH as often as possible. and just keep the no sugar/starch principle which means your menues can be whatever you want. Choose a plan and make sure to not include sugar/starch.


Egg Days you can can fat, in butter or mayonaise, or your cooking oil of choice

There is no BEST, some work better than others for individuals. If you can fast all day, go for steak if eating a lot of meat at once doesn't make you ill. If you'd rather browse, Roast a chicken for Breakfast and eat on that all day as your hunger guides you. Nut Days were good for me while on the Road cause they were portable . Egg days are great if you are creative and love eggs.


Avocadoes are Great, good fat and vitamins. I pretty much figured my calories for maintaining and my eating seems to keep my carbs around 30 or less (after subtracting fiber) , so I make up the rest of my calories with my meat and fats. I pretty much eat what I want or what I have. Just look at what you like to eat, what were your menues like before P2 and adjust them to fit. General Low carb maintenance, sans grains and sugary foods, is a great point to start if you don't have any menus that you are confident of.



Besides tasting totally Awesome for store mayo, it has no sugar used in the ingredients, so it's not as sweet as some, but it has a great "grown up" flavor.

Thanks Metqa....that simplifies it for me!

[Victrola]

Calli, I downloaded that meditation thing; if it doesn't work, you owe me 99 cents!