Simeons HCG protocol--May 2010

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by Calli777

TOM finally started this moring. I think that is the reason the scale has been stalled, today being day 3 of that stall. I havent had any ACV in a few days so I am getting back on it today. I read somewhere that it helps with a stall....so if that doesnt work I just may bite the bullet and do a steak day tomorrow. So question....do you look for a very lean cut of steak like top sirloin and how big is it supposed to be??

Steak days are for P3 when you are above LDW by 2 pounds apple days are for p2 and are more for your peace of mind really no loss for a day or two really isn't a stall we are not promised we will lose everyday i had good losses the beginning of this week the same weight yesterday and up some today but my average loss is still above what is mentioned

Tip #14

Unless you are stalled for 4 days or more, DO NOT do a correction day to break the stall.

If you are using correction days to try and get better losses, what are you going to do when you have a true stall and the correction days don't work anymore? What if your body gets used to the correction days and sees THEM as regular eating days and doesn't release any weight for days or weeks on end?

Keep those correction days in your back pocket, to shake your body up and break a true stall.

And remember, apple days are meant to be psychological only. In other words, they don't really do anything physical, they only make you feel better mentally. The protocol will break any stall you have. Eat clean. Eat by the book. Your body loses what it is suppose to lose. Not what you want it to lose. What you want doesn't direct your body's fat loss.

[cbarrett]

Just started my VLCD2. I am down 2.5 lbs from yesterday, but still 1.5 lbs up from my pre-loading weight. Maybe that will be gone by tomorrow! I know it's probably all water weight, but it still feels nice to see the scale moving in the right direction.

I entered all my food into ****** last night and noticed that I was well above 500 calories (564) even though I ate strictly per P&I and didn't feel like eating my 2nd fruit of the day. I'm worried because Dr. Simeons says the diet should not exceed 500 calories. How many calories do most of you eat during P2? Should I try to stick to the 500 calories or worry more about eating clean with only what he has outlined in his plan?

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by cbarrett

Just started my VLCD2. I am down 2.5 lbs from yesterday, but still 1.5 lbs up from my pre-loading weight. Maybe that will be gone by tomorrow! I know it's probably all water weight, but it still feels nice to see the scale moving in the right direction.

I entered all my food into ****** last night and noticed that I was well above 500 calories (564) even though I ate strictly per P&I and didn't feel like eating my 2nd fruit of the day. I'm worried because Dr. Simeons says the diet should not exceed 500 calories. How many calories do most of you eat during P2? Should I try to stick to the 500 calories or worry more about eating clean with only what he has outlined in his plan?

I've never counted calories, just stuck to protocol. I think ****** is a little "whack" on the calorie counts too. As long as you keep your protein at 100 grams, eat 1 fruit, 1 veggie, and 1 melba/grissini at each meal you will be just fine.

[cbarrett]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

I've never counted calories, just stuck to protocol. I think ****** is a little "whack" on the calorie counts too. As long as you keep your protein at 100 grams, eat 1 fruit, 1 veggie, and 1 melba/grissini at each meal you will be just fine.

OK, that's what I'll do then. Thanks!

[Victrola]

Broke my stall! Yay! 1.2 pounds released!

Man, I hope I don't have another long one like that - that was tough!

[Calli777]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

Steak days are for P3 when you are above LDW by 2 pounds apple days are for p2 and are more for your peace of mind really no loss for a day or two really isn't a stall we are not promised we will lose everyday i had good losses the beginning of this week the same weight yesterday and up some today but my average loss is still above what is mentioned

It isnt a day or two, its now three but I had the proverbial lightbulb go off over my head while I was out. I have been running around like I have a case of the crazies trying to get things together for the party....I have been taking for the past 3 days the B complex sublingual. Not sure if anyone remembers but about a week and a half ago I asked if anyone noticed any differences in their losses when they took this. I asked because I had stalled for two days but then I just chalked it up to normal "whatevers". Hmmmm now again, I am taking it and low and behold, another "stall". I truly believe its that damn B!!! The liquid is kinda bitter/tart/sweet so it must have something in it and the ingredients are not listed on the bottle. I think it's a trick some companies use to make us lose slower so we have to keep purchasing more product!!

So today, NO B COMPLEX!!! Cant wait to see if I nailed it when I weigh myself tomorrow!!

[FatFatnomore]

Congrats Victrola! How long was your stall?

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Victrola

Broke my stall! Yay! 1.2 pounds released!

Man, I hope I don't have another long one like that - that was tough!

Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, those stalls are tough!!! I had a stall over a week long in P2!!!! NOT FUN AT ALL!!!!!

Way to go girl!!!

[UTDramaQueen]

@Victrola - Grats!!!

So um, VLCD2 and I'm down FIVE POUNDS from start weight. 6.8 if you count the loading day gain. I weighed 4 times because I couldn't believe that was possible. It has to be water weight, right? Am I going to wake up tomorrow "balanced out" because that would make me cry.

Heh, made Oreo boy mow the not small lawns last night. Told him it was a great way to burn off Oreos.

I actually feel pretty good. I have a slight headache but I suppose that's pretty good since I quit Dr. Pepper cold turkey and I don't drink coffee or tea.

Man, I really like that five pounds....

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Victrola

Broke my stall! Yay! 1.2 pounds released!

Man, I hope I don't have another long one like that - that was tough!

Originally Posted by UTDramaQueen

@Victrola - Grats!!!

So um, VLCD2 and I'm down FIVE POUNDS from start weight. 6.8 if you count the loading day gain. I weighed 4 times because I couldn't believe that was possible. It has to be water weight, right? Am I going to wake up tomorrow "balanced out" because that would make me cry.

Heh, made Oreo boy mow the not small lawns last night. Told him it was a great way to burn off Oreos.

I actually feel pretty good. I have a slight headache but I suppose that's pretty good since I quit Dr. Pepper cold turkey and I don't drink coffee or tea.

Man, I really like that five pounds....

Great job ladies!!!!

[Victrola]

The stall was 4-5 days!! I really think it was that Retin-A peel. If chemical peels and Retin-A and lasers had been around in Dr. S's day, I bet he would have nixed those, too!

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Calli777

It isnt a day or two, its now three but I had the proverbial lightbulb go off over my head while I was out. I have been running around like I have a case of the crazies trying to get things together for the party....I have been taking for the past 3 days the B complex sublingual. Not sure if anyone remembers but about a week and a half ago I asked if anyone noticed any differences in their losses when they took this. I asked because I had stalled for two days but then I just chalked it up to normal "whatevers". Hmmmm now again, I am taking it and low and behold, another "stall". I truly believe its that damn B!!! The liquid is kinda bitter/tart/sweet so it must have something in it and the ingredients are not listed on the bottle. I think it's a trick some companies use to make us lose slower so we have to keep purchasing more product!!

So today, NO B COMPLEX!!! Cant wait to see if I nailed it when I weigh myself tomorrow!!

Stalls are common so I wouldn't worry about it. We are allowed natural sugars in P2 and I doubt the B_Complex has a lot of calories. A stall can last many days and then BAM! you get a nice release. There's something about the water filling up the fat cells until it finally leaves and the cells shrink. Are you losing inches the past few days?

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by UTDramaQueen

@Victrola - Grats!!!

So um, VLCD2 and I'm down FIVE POUNDS from start weight. 6.8 if you count the loading day gain. I weighed 4 times because I couldn't believe that was possible. It has to be water weight, right? Am I going to wake up tomorrow "balanced out" because that would make me cry.

Heh, made Oreo boy mow the not small lawns last night. Told him it was a great way to burn off Oreos.

I actually feel pretty good. I have a slight headache but I suppose that's pretty good since I quit Dr. Pepper cold turkey and I don't drink coffee or tea.

Man, I really like that five pounds....

Isn't watching that scale go down the best experience EVER?????!!!!!!

[Calli777]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Stalls are common so I wouldn't worry about it. We are allowed natural sugars in P2 and I doubt the B_Complex has a lot of calories. A stall can last many days and then BAM! you get a nice release. There's something about the water filling up the fat cells until it finally leaves and the cells shrink. Are you losing inches the past few days?

I havent measured yet. I completely get that the stalls are quite normal and understand the fat cell structure points. I am just being super sleuth to make sure I didnt do anything. I emailed the company where I purchased my hhcg and asked them for an ingredient list too.

So I have to ask you....what the heck is the consesus back home about Big Ben? Do you follow it?

[UTDramaQueen]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

Isn't watching that scale go down the best experience EVER?????!!!!!!

Yes. But I'm really afraid it isn't real.

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by UTDramaQueen

Yes. But I'm really afraid it isn't real.

I know how you feel!!!! I have tried darn near EVERY DIET out there and none have worked like this is! I have already dropped weight and inches and I still can't believe it! Maybe I'll believe it when I've lost it all!!!

[metqa]

Originally Posted by Calli777

TOM finally started this moring. I think that is the reason the scale has been stalled, today being day 3 of that stall. I havent had any ACV in a few days so I am getting back on it today. I read somewhere that it helps with a stall....so if that doesnt work I just may bite the bullet and do a steak day tomorrow. So question....do you look for a very lean cut of steak like top sirloin and how big is it supposed to be??

Calli, 3 days of not losing during P2 is still not considered a correctable stall. If after 4days of no losses you are allowed to do an apple day. Starting at Lunch and continue through lunch the next day, You are allowed 6 large apples and only enough water to quench thirst not sated by the apples, and no other food.

That is the only stall breaker listed in P&I. Some people have a Modified steak day, but that is just the lean P2 meat portions eaten at once after a full day of fasting, But because it is not a P&I prescribed stall breaker it may or may not work for some.

Just wait it out and do an apple day and you will move again.

Originally Posted by cbarrett

I entered all my food into ****** last night and noticed that I was well above 500 calories (564) even though I ate strictly per P&I and didn't feel like eating my 2nd fruit of the day. I'm worried because Dr. Simeons says the diet should not exceed 500 calories. How many calories do most of you eat during P2? Should I try to stick to the 500 calories or worry more about eating clean with only what he has outlined in his plan?

I tried to stay as close to or under 500 as possible. If you are eating according to plan then you need to look at your portions and adjust them. Maybe your apple is a bit large? maybe you had too much of a veggie? maybe your had a few too many strawberries?

Are you including refuse in the weight of your food? Do you eat the apple core? then don't count it. Do you eat the green leaves of strawberries and the peel and pith of grapefruit? Then don't count that. If you aren't weighing or measuring your food, how do you know how much you are really eating?

Have you ever weighed out 85 grams( one serving of bagged) lettuce? It's a huge bowl of salad. While the same weight of cabbage will only a cup or so.

I'd recommend getting an inexpensive digital kitchen scale, go to fit day, choose all your food choices you are gonna use, and plan your meals from fit day then go to the kitchen and see what that meal actually looks like. You will see how you can have more of this and less of that, and maybe buy some smaller apples so you can have more veggies without going over 500. I started eating grapefruit at least once because it save me more calories than apples and I could have more veggies and such, and still stay at or below 500.

If you only guess, you'll not know what and where it went wrong if it does.
Try planning your meals with ******, THEN making them and you'll rarely go over 500 calories again in the future. IF you eat THEN report, it will be too late to undo too many calories.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Calli777

I havent measured yet. I completely get that the stalls are quite normal and understand the fat cell structure points. I am just being super sleuth to make sure I didnt do anything. I emailed the company where I purchased my hhcg and asked them for an ingredient list too.

So I have to ask you....what the heck is the consesus back home about Big Ben? Do you follow it?

Oh, the Big Ben saga!!! Pretty much everyone that I know is sick and tired of his antics. He feels he's entitled to everything because he's Big Ben. He's a horse's patoot!!!! I haven't liked him for years because of when he met my 7 year old son. My DH took my DS to a fundraiser that was very "elite" and not many tickets sold. My DS is a quarterback and wears the #7 jersey because he loved Big Ben. At the fundraiser he got to meet most of the Steelers and they all posed for pics and were hugging him and asking him about football. When he got to Big Ben he signed his football, posed for a quick pic and said NOTHING!!! Not one stinkin' word!!!! My son felt bad that he wouldn't talk to him. Big Ben just picked up his drink and started talking to another player at the table. We still had the picture and just last week my son brought it out and showed me that he cut out Big Ben's face My opinion, he's a total JERK and he shouldn't be allowed to play in the NFL - he should just be happy he's not in jail.

Sorry for the threadjack, carry on...............

[jenks]

Originally Posted by metqa

Calli, 3 days of not losing during P2 is still not considered a correctable stall. If after 4days of no losses you are allowed to do an apple day. Starting at Lunch and continue through lunch the next day, You are allowed 6 large apples and only enough water to quench thirst not sated by the apples, and no other food.

That is the only stall breaker listed in P&I. Some people have a Modified steak day, but that is just the lean P2 meat portions eaten at once after a full day of fasting, But because it is not a P&I prescribed stall breaker it may or may not work for some.

Just wait it out and do an apple day and you will move again.



I tried to stay as close to or under 500 as possible. If you are eating according to plan then you need to look at your portions and adjust them. Maybe your apple is a bit large? maybe you had too much of a veggie? maybe your had a few too many strawberries?

Are you including refuse in the weight of your food? Do you eat the apple core? then don't count it. Do you eat the green leaves of strawberries and the peel and pith of grapefruit? Then don't count that. If you aren't weighing or measuring your food, how do you know how much you are really eating?

Have you ever weighed out 85 grams( one serving of bagged) lettuce? It's a huge bowl of salad. While the same weight of cabbage will only a cup or so.

I'd recommend getting an inexpensive digital kitchen scale, go to fit day, choose all your food choices you are gonna use, and plan your meals from fit day then go to the kitchen and see what that meal actually looks like. You will see how you can have more of this and less of that, and maybe buy some smaller apples so you can have more veggies without going over 500. I started eating grapefruit at least once because it save me more calories than apples and I could have more veggies and such, and still stay at or below 500.

If you only guess, you'll not know what and where it went wrong if it does.
Try planning your meals with ******, THEN making them and you'll rarely go over 500 calories again in the future. IF you eat THEN report, it will be too late to undo too many calories.

You may want to custom enter the meat. I have found no comparable chicken in their database or 95% ground beef.

[jenks]

Originally Posted by Calli777

It isnt a day or two, its now three but I had the proverbial lightbulb go off over my head while I was out. I have been running around like I have a case of the crazies trying to get things together for the party....I have been taking for the past 3 days the B complex sublingual. Not sure if anyone remembers but about a week and a half ago I asked if anyone noticed any differences in their losses when they took this. I asked because I had stalled for two days but then I just chalked it up to normal "whatevers". Hmmmm now again, I am taking it and low and behold, another "stall". I truly believe its that damn B!!! The liquid is kinda bitter/tart/sweet so it must have something in it and the ingredients are not listed on the bottle. I think it's a trick some companies use to make us lose slower so we have to keep purchasing more product!!

So today, NO B COMPLEX!!! Cant wait to see if I nailed it when I weigh myself tomorrow!!

I say cut it out because you never know how picky your body is!

[jenks]

opinion: Do you think after the 3 weeks of P3 where you stabilize your weight, could you could stay low carb and try to lose like 5 more pounds just by doing Induction? Or will your body fight you to stay at the stabilization weight?

[Victrola]

Originally Posted by jenks

opinion: Do you think after the 3 weeks of P3 where you stabilize your weight, could you could stay low carb and try to lose like 5 more pounds just by doing Induction? Or will your body fight you to stay at the stabilization weight?

I know there's someone on the main thread who lost a good amount on HCG, just using it as a jumpstart, and then lost the rest by just a low carb diet.

If you want to do this, I'd suggest stabilizing at a pretty good number of calories and doing a P4 as well, staying stable through both phases.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by jenks

opinion: Do you think after the 3 weeks of P3 where you stabilize your weight, could you could stay low carb and try to lose like 5 more pounds just by doing Induction? Or will your body fight you to stay at the stabilization weight?

You could always do a "reshaping" round. That will get those last 5 or so pounds off plus reshape your body. I've heard lots of good things about it. You still would have to do the minimum 21 days of hhcg + 48 hours without but once you reach the number you want, you up your protein and just try and maintain while on the hhcg. You'll lose plus reap the reshaping benefits.

[metqa]

Originally Posted by jenks

You may want to custom enter the meat. I have found no comparable chicken in their database or 95% ground beef.

Totally right, I forgot 'bout that. You will need to enter your lean beef as a CUSTOM FOOD from the label on the meat package. I use Walmart 96% lean so I did that.

you can use Chicken, breast, skin not eaten and choose the unit, oz, boneless raw

or use the USDA food nutrition values, I used that for baseline foods, and made custom foods for what I couldn't find values.

Because i used canned tomatoes and asparagus, I made those into custom foods also.

I actually made my own spreadsheet in excel to keep track of my food, and it's easier than ****** cause I totally customized it so that all my food choices are available and all I have to do is put in the gram weight of what I want and it calculates the calories for me.




That's an old one, my most current excel file has all the convenience food added to it. I'll email a blank file to anyone who wants to try it, I really rely on it more than ****** during P2.

[wishbone]

I am lovin this whole P3 thing....but find that I really have to force myself to eat. I assume it takes a week to figure to figure out the "right" food combinations and the "right" portions for your particular body. When I have 4 consecutive days of a P3 "stall", I will examine the "rights", and maybe have a clearer idea of just what the heck I'm doing

I will be posting my daily menu in my journal....Wishbones Ride. Any of you guys are more than wellcome to stop in for a visit!!!

JAN

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by wishbone

I am lovin this whole P3 thing....but find that I really have to force myself to eat. I assume it takes a week to figure to figure out the "right" food combinations and the "right" portions for your particular body. When I have 4 consecutive days of a P3 "stall", I will examine the "rights", and maybe have a clearer idea of just what the heck I'm doing

I will be posting my daily menu in my journal....Wishbones Ride. Any of you guys are more than welcome to stop in for a visit!!!

JAN

It took me about the whole three weeks to fully get my appetite back and get used to eating normal amounts of food again. I also had some gut issues that were very unpleasant. Next time I will take it VERY VERY slow to transition to P3! This fourth week turned into a total P4 and it's a good thing I'm starting R2 on Saturday and my Loading weekend !! I realize I really do need some self control, some discipline, some restraint and accountability! Wowza.

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

I realize I really do need some self control, some discipline, some restraint and accountability! Wowza.

Amen to that!!!!

[newjeneed]

Originally Posted by NoSugarShell

Hi HCGers!

I am new to this thread, but not new to Lowcarbfriends. I have been doing JUDDD on and off for a little over a year and I am soooo close to goal, but not quite there yet. I have done alot of research on HCG including reading this thread (yes, the whole thing).

Do you think HCG can get me to goal in one round?

Michelle

Welcome NoSugarShell!!!

[newjeneed]

Originally Posted by UTDramaQueen

I can't believe I'm carrying a whole extra person. That's just sick and wrong.
!

Kristi

Been here honey... and I started at 20lbs higher than you. There is a light at the end of the tunnel you just have to find it! I found Atkins for the first 100lbs... and hHCG (and the jury is still out on Dr. Simeons )

[AmyMacT]

R1P2VLCD10:

Me: 10 pounds
Husband: 16

This is about the time I start slowing down. I wonder if he can take the frustration?