Simeons HCG protocol--May 2010

[newjeneed]

Hello ladies! Can I join your group? I just received my hHCG and I’m planning on loading this weekend (I’m going to Charleston, SC for a wedding, the land flowing with fried food and butter yay!) and starting my VLCD on Monday of next week. I’ve been lurking and trying to read the older threads but I wanted to go ahead and introduce myself. A little bit about me… I originally lost about 100lbs on Atkins last year and I was doing pretty well, but I still hadn’t lost all of the weight I wanted to lose. And THEN the Christmas season hit so not only was I not losing, but I regained probably about 20lbs (yikes). I just recently got my control back, but I’m still not losing consistently because I think my body is just smaller and I don’t know where I need to be to actually LOSE weight anymore. I tried Stillman’s for awhile but my body did NOT like it so I’m sort of trying this as a last resort. If this doesn’t work I have no idea what I’ll do. Anyway, I’ve seen all of your results and they’ve been very encouraging and I read Pounds and Inches and it blew me away, so I’m hoping this is it! I do have a few questions for the group, please see the below, I’d love to hear your answers!

Does anybody combine veggies? Like if I wanted to eat salsa or make some kind of soup would that be ok?
Is anyone using chicken stock to cook with?
Are most of the people on this board hHCG or rx? Has anyone done both? What have your results been for each?
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their arms? I don’t know if that is “abnormal fat.” I know its “abnormally” ugly on me!!

Is anyone doing “non-strenuous” exercise? Do you think it has helped?

I’m a little afraid of the fruit and bread, has anyone noticed anything in regards to specific fruits? Like do you lose better when you eat lower glycemic fruit?

I’ve seen mixed comments on TOM. Does everyone here dose throughout? OR does everyone quit dosing during TOM?


I think that’s all for now! Thanks in advance for your answers. I also think I’m going to try the dry skin brushing thing because I have some unsightly stretch marks on my arms so I’ll let you know my results from that too!

[newjeneed]

One more thing, does anyone drop their drops into a spoon or something instead of directly into their mouth to prevent contamination of their hHCG? Thanks!

[jeaniem]

Debkeversole Thanks for the post. I should be getting my hhcg any day now!
Congrats on your losses!

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by Calli777

Thanks Metqa!! I'm not sure what Ghee is but I did find a flavored mayo yesterday. No sugar, chipotle mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I have found some rather interesting mayo and ranch recipes too so I'll try those and if I dont care for them I'll just go back to Maries or another brand using the parameters you've suggested. I did buy the Dukes but I am really quite interested in making my own. I love fiddling in the kitchen!! I spent a ton of thought about DF's birthday party and making sure there are things that I can eat too. I will definitely stay away from the canned chicken though...guess I gotta get the food processor out....its healthier anyways, right, and shortcuts are what got me here in the first place.

Ghee butter is unclarified butter. It is basically butter prepared traditionally but boiled to remove moisture. Since you like cooking, you can find recipes to make it on the internet.

Originally Posted by FatFatnomore

Morning!

Hope you all had a great weekend.

Today is RIP2VLCD4 and I'm down 2.6 pounds since yesterday. The hunger suppression that I've read so much about has not happened for me yet. Usually in the afternoon I start getting painfully hungry, but the big losses on the scale are keeping me in line. There's absolutely nothing in the world that tastes as good as it feels to get up in the morning and see the new low number on the scale! It is so worth it to be hungry when I see the pay off.

I've gone over the list of foods I ate during my load days, and I think my mistake was eating too many carb heavy items and not enough high fat items. I did eat some high fat foods like a hamburger and homemade mac and cheese, but obviously it wasn't enough fat to keep me from feeling hungry. I'm chalking it up to a lesson learned though and for my next round my loading days will consist of lots of high fat foods like steak and avocado. So for anyone getting ready to load for the first time, learn from my mistake...gorge on high fat and not so much on the high carbs.

Congrats on your loss !!

Originally Posted by debkeversole

i have done both and haven't found any dif in the weight loss with the homeopathic drops i seemed to have more of a feel good quality?? kind of euphoric on it and none with the Rx, with the RX i seem to have way more head hunger i.e. looking at food p0rn WAY WAY more but as far as hunger control and weight loss if you follow the dosing schedule correctly seems to be very similar between the 2


i amdown to 300.4 today!! one week dosing and i hav ost 13.4 pounds whoohoo!! and all my loading weight is out the door!!

found a really good page you guys might like


even got a place for before and after measurements so i will probably use it on my next round

i did measure before my first round and of course i can't find where i wrote it down!

have a good one!

Wow, Deb ! 13.4 pounds is amazing !!

Originally Posted by newjeneed

Hello ladies! Can I join your group? I just received my hHCG and I’m planning on loading this weekend (I’m going to Charleston, SC for a wedding, the land flowing with fried food and butter yay!) and starting my VLCD on Monday of next week. I’ve been lurking and trying to read the older threads but I wanted to go ahead and introduce myself. A little bit about me… I originally lost about 100lbs on Atkins last year and I was doing pretty well, but I still hadn’t lost all of the weight I wanted to lose. And THEN the Christmas season hit so not only was I not losing, but I regained probably about 20lbs (yikes). I just recently got my control back, but I’m still not losing consistently because I think my body is just smaller and I don’t know where I need to be to actually LOSE weight anymore. I tried Stillman’s for awhile but my body did NOT like it so I’m sort of trying this as a last resort. If this doesn’t work I have no idea what I’ll do. Anyway, I’ve seen all of your results and they’ve been very encouraging and I read Pounds and Inches and it blew me away, so I’m hoping this is it! I do have a few questions for the group, please see the below, I’d love to hear your answers!

Does anybody combine veggies? Like if I wanted to eat salsa or make some kind of soup would that be ok?
Is anyone using chicken stock to cook with?
Are most of the people on this board hHCG or rx? Has anyone done both? What have your results been for each?
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their arms? I don’t know if that is “abnormal fat.” I know its “abnormally” ugly on me!!

Is anyone doing “non-strenuous” exercise? Do you think it has helped?

I’m a little afraid of the fruit and bread, has anyone noticed anything in regards to specific fruits? Like do you lose better when you eat lower glycemic fruit?

I’ve seen mixed comments on TOM. Does everyone here dose throughout? OR does everyone quit dosing during TOM?


I think that’s all for now! Thanks in advance for your answers. I also think I’m going to try the dry skin brushing thing because I have some unsightly stretch marks on my arms so I’ll let you know my results from that too!

, Newjeneed !

There is a specific plan we follow on hcg in Dr. Simeon's book Pounds and Inches. Have you read it yet ? It tells you exactly what fruits, veggies, proteins to have. We don't really have "breads", either melba toast or grissini. Some people use low salt chicken broth but I think chicken stock may have sugar in it. You can't mix your veggies but just have one at lunch and the other at dinner. It is very important to follow the protocol because that is how you get great losses with hcg !

Most people on hhcg dose during TOM. Some people here really exercise, like marathons ! Others walk regularly. I don't lift a finger hardly.

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by newjeneed

One more thing, does anyone drop their drops into a spoon or something instead of directly into their mouth to prevent contamination of their hHCG? Thanks!

That's a great idea ! I am known for messing mine up !

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by newjeneed

One more thing, does anyone drop their drops into a spoon or something instead of directly into their mouth to prevent contamination of their hHCG? Thanks!

Wouldn't the spoon contaminate it? I thought they weren't supposed to touch anything. I use the spray so I don't really know but I would think if there's any dish soap residue on the spoon it wouldn't work????

[metqa]

Originally Posted by Calli777

Thanks Metqa!! I'm not sure what Ghee is but I did find a flavored mayo yesterday. No sugar, chipotle mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I have found some rather interesting mayo and ranch recipes too so I'll try those and if I dont care for them I'll just go back to Maries or another brand using the parameters you've suggested. I did buy the Dukes but I am really quite interested in making my own. I love fiddling in the kitchen!! I spent a ton of thought about DF's birthday party and making sure there are things that I can eat too. I will definitely stay away from the canned chicken though...guess I gotta get the food processor out....its healthier anyways, right, and shortcuts are what got me here in the first place.

Chipotle Mayo sounds good. I don't ever use canned chicken cause it's always breast meat. I prefer thigh, or home cooked breast. hope the party goes well.

Originally Posted by newjeneed

Hello ladies! Can I join your group? I just received my hHCG and I’m planning on loading this weekend (I’m going to Charleston, SC for a wedding, the land flowing with fried food and butter yay!) and starting my VLCD on Monday of next week. I’ve been lurking and trying to read the older threads but I wanted to go ahead and introduce myself. A little bit about me… I originally lost about 100lbs on Atkins last year and I was doing pretty well, but I still hadn’t lost all of the weight I wanted to lose. And THEN the Christmas season hit so not only was I not losing, but I regained probably about 20lbs (yikes). I just recently got my control back, but I’m still not losing consistently because I think my body is just smaller and I don’t know where I need to be to actually LOSE weight anymore. I tried Stillman’s for awhile but my body did NOT like it so I’m sort of trying this as a last resort. If this doesn’t work I have no idea what I’ll do. Anyway, I’ve seen all of your results and they’ve been very encouraging and I read Pounds and Inches and it blew me away, so I’m hoping this is it! I do have a few questions for the group, please see the below, I’d love to hear your answers!

Does anybody combine veggies? Like if I wanted to eat salsa or make some kind of soup would that be ok?
Is anyone using chicken stock to cook with?
Are most of the people on this board hHCG or rx? Has anyone done both? What have your results been for each?
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their arms? I don’t know if that is “abnormal fat.” I know its “abnormally” ugly on me!!

Is anyone doing “non-strenuous” exercise? Do you think it has helped?

I’m a little afraid of the fruit and bread, has anyone noticed anything in regards to specific fruits? Like do you lose better when you eat lower glycemic fruit?

I’ve seen mixed comments on TOM. Does everyone here dose throughout? OR does everyone quit dosing during TOM?


I think that’s all for now! Thanks in advance for your answers. I also think I’m going to try the dry skin brushing thing because I have some unsightly stretch marks on my arms so I’ll let you know my results from that too!

Welcome New! Congratulations on 100lb lost with Atkins!
I hope HCG can give you what you are looking for.

As to the questions:
Mixing Veggies: That is a Newbie No-no. While some do mix veggies, that is a cardinal rule in P&I to NOT do that. Even though many find they lose weight still, you will never know if you could have lost more if you start out mixing and things go wrong. Try doing the first round straight as an arrow and then see about tweaking either your second round or after you've been on the juice at least a couple of weeks to see what it does for you. There are many soups and salad you can make without "mixing" veggies and tempting fate. For example having a coleslaw with apple for extra sweet and crunch, or a lettuce salad with orange wedges.

Chicken Broth: Yeah, Use it! Make your own and skim the fat off, or look for a brand that is fat free and only 5 calories per serving. Use it for consomme, for soups, for sauteeing, yeah, use it liberally it will save your sanity.

Hhcg vs Rx: Well I personally use Rx Injections, but people have done both and will chime in. I've heard people say as far as losses they have similar results. It's usually up to convenience and personal preferrence. Don't forget here is also a recipe for sublingual that uses Rx Hcg but you hold it under your tongue rather than inject.

My first couple of rounds I did notice some changes in my arms and thighs. but they were smallish to begin with so a half in to an inch lost on my arms was not my goal. Give me that loss on my belly and I"ll be happier.

Non-strenuous Exercise: Whatever you are doing now, you can continue to do on HCG. Just don't increase or start a new exercise that you are not comfortable with. If you run 5 miles a day, yuo can keep doing that. If you do Pilates, you can keep doing that, . . . if you do nothing, Keep doing that, though you will want to move more as you lose weight but keep it mild and easy, don't try to shred, rip or burn anything.

Afraid of Food Choices: The diet was designed with these food choices for optimal weight loss and balance. Don't leave anything out. You don't want your body to freak out when you start adding starches cause you were without starches during P3. The Dr.S said that if you have to make changes to the food choices because of cultural differences to make sure you have 200g of meat, and some starch. He wouldn't have mentioned the starch specifically if it weren't important. Some people find better losses with grapefruit. I'm biased cause I like Gf and it has a reputation for aiding fat loss already. You can stick with the lower calorie veggies and that allows you to have more food, volume wise and be more satisfied, but sometimes a bowl of beef and tomato chili, while small, can be very satisfying.

Tom?: Can't comment on Tom, but I know many who dose right through it.

Hope that helps, Keep re-reading Pounds and Inches, Things jump out at you at subsequent readings, It is your Manual, Follow it well!

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Wouldn't the spoon contaminate it? I thought they weren't supposed to touch anything. I use the spray so I don't really know but I would think if there's any dish soap residue on the spoon it wouldn't work????

Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Maybe it's best to just have some extra droppers on hand.

[MandyRae7]

Question - so today is my last shot day on phase 2 - I'm at 122.6, If I drop to 122 by tomorrow morning can I use that as my stabilizing weight???? Does that make sense???

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by MandyRae7

Question - so today is my last shot day on phase 2 - I'm at 122.6, If I drop to 122 by tomorrow morning can I use that as my stabilizing weight???? Does that make sense???

Today is your LIW (Last Injection Weight). You will not dose or inject tomorrow. So your P3 window is from 120.6-124.6. You can still lose the next 72 hours and it will give you more cushion in P3. You want to stay within your stabilizing window for P3. HTH

[MandyRae7]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Today is your LIW (Last Injection Weight). You will not dose or inject tomorrow. So your P3 window is from 120.6-124.6. You can still lose the next 72 hours and it will give you more cushion in P3. You want to stay within your stabilizing window for P3. HTH

Right I know that but I was wondering if tomorrow I'm at 122 if I can just use that as my LIW instead (even though I know it isn't) or if that will just mess things up

[wishbone]

uugghh!!!! I was up .5 this morning. I think water was the culprit. As in...not enough of it yesterday. I think we should all stand under the shower with our mouths open, just to be sure.

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by wishbone

uugghh!!!! I was up .5 this morning. I think water was the culprit. As in...not enough of it yesterday. I think we should all stand under the shower with our mouths open, just to be sure.

The funny thing is, after a hot shower, I do weigh less than before.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by MandyRae7

Right I know that but I was wondering if tomorrow I'm at 122 if I can just use that as my LIW instead (even though I know it isn't) or if that will just mess things up

You can do whatever you want! It's really not that big of a deal - it's only 0.6 pounds. Plus, you don't know yet what you will weigh tomorrow.

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by MandyRae7

Right I know that but I was wondering if tomorrow I'm at 122 if I can just use that as my LIW instead (even though I know it isn't) or if that will just mess things up

122 is such a lovely number, Mandy ! But you are there - even with the .6 after it ! Is 122 your final goal ?

[MandyRae7]

Originally Posted by stinastina

122 is such a lovely number, Mandy ! But you are there - even with the .6 after it ! Is 122 your final goal ?

It was 119 but I cheated and had to change my goal to 122.

And GRACIE I guess your right who cares about .6 of a pound. Okay thank you guys. I become obsessed with this stupid number on the scale!

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by stinastina

The funny thing is, after a hot shower, I do weigh less than before.

I found out that is has to do with being warm/hot after taking a shower. I guess because heat rises and the temperature of the room didn't change, your weight will register lower but it's not "real" weight. Once your body temperature goes back to normal you will weigh what you did before your shower. Pretty interesting though

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by MandyRae7

It was 119 but I cheated and had to change my goal to 122.

And GRACIE I guess your right who cares about .6 of a pound. Okay thank you guys. I become obsessed with this stupid number on the scale!

Well, congrats on hitting your goal !! Well, numbers are important to us, that is why we are obsessed. Do what will make you feel good about yourself.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by MandyRae7

It was 119 but I cheated and had to change my goal to 122.

And GRACIE I guess your right who cares about .6 of a pound. Okay thank you guys. I become obsessed with this stupid number on the scale!

Yeah, I think now that I'm on my third round I don't let the numbers on the scale dictate my entire day. Plus 1/2 pound could be water, sodium, or lack of bernice action I do much better if I'm relaxed about it and not stressed!

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

I found out that is has to do with being warm/hot after taking a shower. I guess because heat rises and the temperature of the room didn't change, your weight will register lower but it's not "real" weight. Once your body temperature goes back to normal you will weigh what you did before your shower. Pretty interesting though

RATS !! I only counted it one day though on my whole round. It felt good but since I was still losing, it didn't make a difference.

[MandyRae7]

Thank you all!! So excited for some cheese! seriously!

[MandyRae7]

Phase 3 question - you can exercise on this phase correct? I just ordered the Insanity workouts and can't wait to start them!

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by MandyRae7

Phase 3 question - you can exercise on this phase correct? I just ordered the Insanity workouts and can't wait to start them!

Not supposed to exercise in P3. You want to stabilize while not exercising or you will have to exercise to keep at your stabilized weight. You can walk but nothing strenuous. Sorry! Once you're done with P3 you can start though

[Dedee62]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Today is your LIW (Last Injection Weight). You will not dose or inject tomorrow. So your P3 window is from 120.6-124.6. You can still lose the next 72 hours and it will give you more cushion in P3. You want to stay within your stabilizing window for P3. HTH

Why a 4 lb. window? Are people tweaking this rule too? The protocol states:

As long as their weight stays within two pounds of the weight reached on the day of the last injection, patients should take no notice of any increase but the moment the scale goes beyond two pounds, even if this is only a few ounces, they must on that same day entirely skip breakfast and lunch but take plenty to drink. In the evening they must eat a huge steak with only an apple or a raw tomato. Of course this rule applies only to the morning weight.

[MandyRae7]

thank you Gracie! That is the plan then! Gosh I love this group....

[wishbone]

So...just came from Hy-Vee. I bought some Marie's Blue cheesse dressing for the upcoming P3. I ...SO WANT... to be ready for it. And, I bought some wf blue cheese for the "here and now". I have a feeling that it will be used as a dip for my "hot" chicken. I finger tested it...and can't see me ruining some perfectly defenseless lettuce with it. But....maybe its better after some "chill time" in the frig.


JAN

[Calli777]

I found this list containing 99 diferent names for sugar and thought it would be helpful...

SUGARS

Added SUGARS in processed foods can be found under the following names:

Agave Syrup
Amasake
Any name ending in "ose" or "ol" or "syrup"
Barbados Sugar
Barley Malt
Blackstrap Molasses
Black Sugar
Brown Sugar - the refined sugar coated with molasses or colored with caramel
Cane Juice
Cane Juice Crystals
Cane Sugar
Caramel
Caramel Coloring
Castor Sugar
Confectioner’s Sugar
Corn Sweetener
Corn Syrup - a manufactured syrup of corn starch, containing varying proportions of glucose, maltose, and dextrose
Corn Syrup Solids
Crystallized Cane Juice
D-mannose
Date Sugar
Demerara
Demerara Sugar
Dehydrated Cane Juice
Dehydrated Cane Juice Crystals
Dextran
Dextrin
Dextrine
Dextrose (glucose) - a simple sugar made of only one molecule
Disaccharides
Evaporated Cane Juice
Evaporated Cane Juice Sugar
Florida crystals (a trademarked name)
Free Flowing Brown Sugars
Fructose - a simple sugar refined from fruit
Fruit Juice Concentrate
Galactose
Galatactose
Glucose
Glucose Syrup
Golden Syrup
Grape Sugar
Grape Sweetener
High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) - highly concentrated syrup of predominantly fructose
Honey
Hydrolysed Starch
Hydrogenated Glucose Syrup
Hydrogenated Starch Hydrolysates (HSH)
Invert Sugar
Isomalt
Levulose
Lactitol
Lactose - a simple sugar from milk
Malt
Malt Extract
Malt Syrup
Maltodextrin - a manufactured sugar from maltose and dextrose
Maltose - a simple sugar made from starch, usually grains
Mannitol
Maple Syrup
Molasses
Monosaccharide
Muscovado
Organic Dehydrated Cane Juice
Panocha
Polysaccharide
Powdered Sugar
Raw Cane Crystals
Raw Honey
Raw Sugar - a less refined sugar with a small amount of molasses remaining
Refiner's Syrup
Ribose
Rice Extract
Rice Malt
Rice Syrup
Saccharide
Saccharose
Sorghum
Sorghum Syrup
Sorbitol
Sucanat
Succanat
Sucrose
Sugar (sucrose) - the refined crystallized sugar; a combination of glucose and fructose
Sugar (granulated)
Sweetener
Syrup
Table Sugar
Treacle
Turbinado
Turbinado Sugar
Unbleached Crystallized Evaporated Cane Juice
Unbleached Evaporated Sugar Cane Juice Crystals
Unbleached Sugar Cane
Unrefined Cane Juice Crystals
Washed Cane Juice Crystals
White Grape Juice - a highly purified fructose solution; virtually no other nutrients are present
Yellow Sugar
Xylitol OR Xylose

[debkeversole]

thanks Calli!

[Victrola]

30 more days of P2. I'm not at all hungry, seriously I could go w/o eating if I had to. I mean, I'm definitely not doing that, but that's how not hungry I am.

BUT.

I'm bored! And it's not a question of recipes or whatnot, the tiny amounts of food get eaten so fast! And walking through a supermarket...

30 more days.

It's worth it, I'm on VLCD 17 and am down 15.4 pounds total. I don't count load weight!

[newjeneed]

Originally Posted by stinastina

, Newjeneed !

There is a specific plan we follow on hcg in Dr. Simeon's book Pounds and Inches. Have you read it yet ? It tells you exactly what fruits, veggies, proteins to have. We don't really have "breads", either melba toast or grissini. Some people use low salt chicken broth but I think chicken stock may have sugar in it. You can't mix your veggies but just have one at lunch and the other at dinner. It is very important to follow the protocol because that is how you get great losses with hcg !

Most people on hhcg dose during TOM. Some people here really exercise, like marathons ! Others walk regularly. I don't lift a finger hardly.

Thank you! I have read Pounds and Inches, maybe I should reread before I start just to make sure its fresh. By bread I meant the melba and grissini... after months on Atkins that sounds as bread-like as a baugette to me

I'll stick with single veggies thanks!