SIMEONS HCG PROTOCOL -APRIL2010

[cheri]

Though we know everyone wants to help support people through the Simeon's Protocol (HCG) diet, we recommend you consult a physician before starting any diet plan. Since no one can possibly know the medical history of the members here, dispensing medical advice is not allowed. This is for the protection of both the member giving the advice as well as the member receiving the advice. LCF wants to keep everyone safe. We would also like to point out that hCG is a controlled substance and requires a doctor's written prescription. Online sales of hCG may be illegal in some states. Therefore, we must request that you not post where or how you are obtaining your hCG products. Our ToS state "any material that encourages conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, result in civil liability, or otherwise violate any applicable local, state, national or international law is prohibited." We recommend you re-read our ToS to familiarize yourself with the LCF rules.

[Kathy]

The following announcement was posted to this forum in January. I am re-posting it now because there are some new participants who need to be aware of this.

This is the last time we will make this announcement. If members continue to disregard our warnings, the Simeons HCG Protocol threads will be closed permanently.

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Posted in January, 2010

We want to take this opportunity to caution members of this thread. Although most of you are here for support and value the information and friendships you receive from this site, we are seriously considering shutting the Simeons Protocol group down because many members cannot abide by our Terms of Service.

As Cheri has pointed out in the beginning of the Simeons Protocol (HCG) monthly threads, some forms of hCG are a controlled substance and require a doctor's written prescription. Online sales of hCG may be illegal in some states. Therefore, we requested that you NOT post where or how you are obtaining your hCG products. Our ToS states "any material that encourages conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, result in civil liability, or otherwise violate any applicable local, state, national or international law is prohibited." Our ToS also states "Unauthorized advertising or promotion of products and/or services OF ANY KIND is strictly prohibited." We recommended you re-read our ToS to familiarize yourself with the LCF rules.

The problem we're having is that members of this group consistently ignore our warnings and continue to ask for, as well as give, information on where to obtain hCG supplies. We have also found members asking for and sending PM's on where to obtain supplies in order to circumvent our rules. This is unacceptable behavior.

There are many wonderfully supportive forums on LCF, and the Simeon's Protocol group is one of them. It is obvious from your posts that you all share an immense pride in supporting each other. Do you really want to lose that?

We have already taken measures to moderate and / or ban members who received repeated warnings about violating our ToS. It has put a huge burden on the Administrators because they need to moderate this group so closely. No other single group on LCF has required as much moderation as the Simeon's Protocol group.

If someone asks for information on how to purchase hcg supplies, please do not reply to them ... simply ignore them. The Admins will delete the post as soon as they see it or as soon as you report it to us. If you reply to, or PM, anyone asking for such information, you will be banned from this very supportive group.

This is the only time we will make this announcement. If the majority of members continue to ignore our ToS, then we will have no choice but to shut down this thread.

[sugarsugar1]

It's April!

[krissakris]

it is, craziness! Excited to be closing in on end of VLCD4,

[Samantha42]

Subscribing!

[sugarsugar1]

I have been very low carbing for the last 2 months. I swear, I lost sooo much weight on atkins the first time and really fast too. I have this baby and I've been trying to lose the same 5 pounds for 2 months! WTH! I can't wait to start the actual phase 2. I ate a burger and fries from steak and shake today for my loading and half a snickers and i feel so gross. I was so excited for it, but so scared . We'll see. I'm so afraid I'll be the one that this doesn't work for lol.

[Samantha42]

Hi everyone!

I'm new here... just starting the cleansing phase. Do you guys always do 10-14 days of cleansing before starting phase 2? I bought a bunch of cleanses from Whole Foods, but I'm not terribly excited to start. I hope they don't upset my stomach at all!

I got my injection supplies today (minus the hCG) and felt dumb spending so much $ on them. I work at a hospital and it was all basic hospital goodies. Oh well Maybe the second time around I'll get this right. And cheap.

I'm so excited to do this. The last few weeks whenever I eat cr&ppy I would think to myself... it's okay, I'm going to get serious and commit soon and it's all going to be okay. I want this hCG to work, so I'm going to do my best. I have so much going on in life right now, but I need to be able to stay on a serious diet despite all these "events" and going out.

Have any of you modified the original P&I plan? As in-- not eating the melba toast or crackers? Or 600 or 800 calories instead? Just wondering what you guys do "by the book" and what you find more flexibility with.

Thanks! And hi!

[sugarsugar1]

Samantha,
Is the cleansing part of Dr. Trudeau's book? Because I don't remember that from Dr. Simeon's P & I. I don't think most of us on this board did that. I think it's just 2 days of loading then 23-40 days of VLC and 3 weeks on no starch and no sugar. Am I right ladies?
Good luck on your MD! HOW EXCITING! I am going to start my Doctorate of Education in the fall.

[duece49424]

Samantha...quick note .. I'm not an expert on this at all, but I am starting my third week of injections, and my doctor said I didn't even need my supplements, and he was right. He said to save my money until I'm finished with the shots. He said the hcg was like a cleansing in itself and be very careful of what I put in my body. I think everyone has there own opinion, but fyi....Welcome to a great group!

[Chrystee]

Just bringing this over here.. thats how I keep track. HAHA.

R1P2VLCD5 -10 pounds!

[Samantha42]

Originally Posted by sugarsugar1

Samantha,
Is the cleansing part of Dr. Trudeau's book? Because I don't remember that from Dr. Simeon's P & I. I don't think most of us on this board did that. I think it's just 2 days of loading then 23-40 days of VLC and 3 weeks on no starch and no sugar. Am I right ladies?
Good luck on your MD! HOW EXCITING! I am going to start my Doctorate of Education in the fall.

Thank you! What are you going to teach?

I don't want to do the cleanse really. But then what is phase too? I just assumed phase 1 was the cleanse, then phase 2 was the hCG/VLCD, and phase 3 was eating "normally" with no starches and sugars. I think I'm confused

And Susan-- thanks for that info! I'm not too thrilled with it myself. I read in P&I about a cleanse-- or maybe I heard about it from a clinic? Now I can't remember.

I'm tempted to return it all! It's mostly fiber supplements... which I don't think I need all that much. Hmph.

[mrscapiii]

Originally Posted by Samantha42

Thank you! What are you going to teach?

I don't want to do the cleanse really. But then what is phase too? I just assumed phase 1 was the cleanse, then phase 2 was the hCG/VLCD, and phase 3 was eating "normally" with no starches and sugars. I think I'm confused

And Susan-- thanks for that info! I'm not too thrilled with it myself. I read in P&I about a cleanse-- or maybe I heard about it from a clinic? Now I can't remember.

I'm tempted to return it all! It's mostly fiber supplements... which I don't think I need all that much. Hmph.

I don't know of anyone who has done the cleanse. That is something that Kevin Trudeau came up with. We all follow Dr. Simeon's protocol, Pounds and Inches but using the Phase terminology has caught on and we refer to VLCD as Phase 2 and normal eating with no sugar or starch as Phase 3. You got that right, no confusion! For example, I am R1P2VLCD22, which is I am on the 22 day of eating 500 calories on my first round of HHCG.

[mrscapiii]

Originally Posted by Chrystee

Just bringing this over here.. thats how I keep track. HAHA.

R1P2VLCD5 -10 pounds!

New thread so you gotta get props again!

[kerbear879]

Morning everyone!

Today is R1P2VLCD12 and was down .2 this morning for a total of 11.9 pounds. Not a huge loss, but a loss, so I am very happy! I still cannot believe how much I have lost in such a short time. Last year I was low carbing it and I think it took me almost 4 months to lose 10 pounds. So yeah this is great!

Sam - to answer your question, I stick strictly to simeon's protocol so I eat my 100 grams of meat for lunch and dinner with one of the allowed veggies and my grissini and then I usually eat one fruit as a snack between lunch and dinner and then another fruit about an hour or so after dinner.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Samantha42

Hi everyone!

I'm new here... just starting the cleansing phase. Do you guys always do 10-14 days of cleansing before starting phase 2? I bought a bunch of cleanses from Whole Foods, but I'm not terribly excited to start. I hope they don't upset my stomach at all!

I got my injection supplies today (minus the hCG) and felt dumb spending so much $ on them. I work at a hospital and it was all basic hospital goodies. Oh well Maybe the second time around I'll get this right. And cheap.

I'm so excited to do this. The last few weeks whenever I eat cr&ppy I would think to myself... it's okay, I'm going to get serious and commit soon and it's all going to be okay. I want this hCG to work, so I'm going to do my best. I have so much going on in life right now, but I need to be able to stay on a serious diet despite all these "events" and going out.

Have any of you modified the original P&I plan? As in-- not eating the melba toast or crackers? Or 600 or 800 calories instead? Just wondering what you guys do "by the book" and what you find more flexibility with.

Thanks! And hi!

I also believe the Phase 1 was from Kevin Trudeau and it is not necessary. I would return everything and get your money back!!

As for modifying the plan - I do not. I think for optimal losses it's best to stick exactly to protocol. I figure it's only for 23 days and I want the maximum pounds to be released. Hmmmmm, well actually I do sometimes have a stick of sugar-free trident gum if I'm having a craving! I guess that's not protocol

[HaleysNana]

Good morning everyone! Today is my 5th day on Phase 3 and so far my weight hasn't budged! Woohoo!!!

[kerbear879]

Originally Posted by HaleysNana

Good morning everyone! Today is my 5th day on Phase 3 and so far my weight hasn't budged! Woohoo!!!

That's terrific! Sounds like you are stabilizing very well!

[swinglow]

Good morning, all! Down 0.2 this morning on VLCD 5 for a total of 8.8. Because of the low number, took my waist and belly button measurements for motivation. Down 1 inch and 1.5 inch, respectively in two days. So, needless to say, I am happy as a clam.

Off to shop and cook up a mess of good food for myself today. Happy releasing, all!

[duece49424]

Good Morning everyone! I had no loss this morning. Went to a friends for dinner last night and they grilled chicken so they could help me stay on my diet. I was very careful and only had chicken and lettuce, but gained a pound. Now I am wondering what they marinated the chicken in, and it was probably oil and seasonings, so I will have to become a hermit for the next 4 weeks LOL!! Now to get back in the game and get this pound back off...what a bummer! AND, it's Easter weekend with a dinner to go to Sunday, once that is past, I will be so happy!

Lynne - we are very close to the same timing.. I am R1P2VLCD18.

Sam - I was very confused at first too, because my doctor also referred to "Kevins" book, but gave me the Simeons protocol to follow. I had Kevins book from a few years ago as I was going to do this before, but decided to try to stick to Atkins, and only played around with the same 5 pounds for years. I believe Kevins book is trying to explain the age we are in now, where Simeons is from the early 1900's, but I am just trying to follow the simeons and what advice I get right here.

This is the best support I have had in a very long time. There is no one overweight in my family, only me. The don't understand why my weight has been a problem for about 17 years. They don't understand "why" I can't just diet and lose the weight, or "why" are you on another diet.."they never work for you". I have had a lot of mean and cruel things said to me, that's why when I started this, I didn't want to tell anyone, cause everytime I looked for support, so I would get help and not "Cake and Cookies", they would say...."You're not on another diet..again?"...I just gave up. I am not giving up on this, and don't know whether to tell family and friends again, cause I will probably just hear the same things...they put me as a failure before I even begin.

My friend last night is on low carb, so I guess they thought that would help me, cause they didn't really know exactly what I was doing either. Any suggestions as to how to keep your social life, without hurting feelings and sticking to the diet?

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by HaleysNana

Good morning everyone! Today is my 5th day on Phase 3 and so far my weight hasn't budged! Woohoo!!!

Great job! I am on Day 20 of round#2 P3 and I am +1 over LDW. I've done one correction day the entire P3 so I think I've stabilized!!! This protocol is seriously miraculous!

Originally Posted by kerbear879

Morning everyone!

Today is R1P2VLCD12 and was down .2 this morning for a total of 11.9 pounds. Not a huge loss, but a loss, so I am very happy! I still cannot believe how much I have lost in such a short time. Last year I was low carbing it and I think it took me almost 4 months to lose 10 pounds. So yeah this is great!

Sam - to answer your question, I stick strictly to simeon's protocol so I eat my 100 grams of meat for lunch and dinner with one of the allowed veggies and my grissini and then I usually eat one fruit as a snack between lunch and dinner and then another fruit about an hour or so after dinner.

Those days when the scale doesn't budge very much are the best days for inch loss! WOOT WOOT!

Originally Posted by swinglow

Good morning, all! Down 0.2 this morning on VLCD 5 for a total of 8.8. Because of the low number, took my waist and belly button measurements for motivation. Down 1 inch and 1.5 inch, respectively in two days. So, needless to say, I am happy as a clam.

Off to shop and cook up a mess of good food for myself today. Happy releasing, all!

I'm going to cook up a bunch of chicken and chili this weekend and freeze it for Round 3. It's so much easier when the food is ready to grab. Now that it's nice out I'm going to get a couple lean filet mignon steaks to have for the grill too - a nice little treat while on P2! Great inch loss

[mrscapiii]

Originally Posted by HaleysNana

Good morning everyone! Today is my 5th day on Phase 3 and so far my weight hasn't budged! Woohoo!!!

Awesome! Can you post a typical day's menu? Apologies if you already have.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by duece49424

Good Morning everyone! I had no loss this morning. Went to a friends for dinner last night and they grilled chicken so they could help me stay on my diet. I was very careful and only had chicken and lettuce, but gained a pound. Now I am wondering what they marinated the chicken in, and it was probably oil and seasonings, so I will have to become a hermit for the next 4 weeks LOL!! Now to get back in the game and get this pound back off...what a bummer! AND, it's Easter weekend with a dinner to go to Sunday, once that is past, I will be so happy!

Lynne - we are very close to the same timing.. I am R1P2VLCD18.

Sam - I was very confused at first too, because my doctor also referred to "Kevins" book, but gave me the Simeons protocol to follow. I had Kevins book from a few years ago as I was going to do this before, but decided to try to stick to Atkins, and only played around with the same 5 pounds for years. I believe Kevins book is trying to explain the age we are in now, where Simeons is from the early 1900's, but I am just trying to follow the simeons and what advice I get right here.

This is the best support I have had in a very long time. There is no one overweight in my family, only me. The don't understand why my weight has been a problem for about 17 years. They don't understand "why" I can't just diet and lose the weight, or "why" are you on another diet.."they never work for you". I have had a lot of mean and cruel things said to me, that's why when I started this, I didn't want to tell anyone, cause everytime I looked for support, so I would get help and not "Cake and Cookies", they would say...."You're not on another diet..again?"...I just gave up. I am not giving up on this, and don't know whether to tell family and friends again, cause I will probably just hear the same things...they put me as a failure before I even begin.

My friend last night is on low carb, so I guess they thought that would help me, cause they didn't really know exactly what I was doing either. Any suggestions as to how to keep your social life, without hurting feelings and sticking to the diet?

Susan ~ WOW! I can't believe people talk to you that way. You need to let them know that it's NOT okay! Even if you're on your 1,000,000th diet - it's a step in the right direction. The good thing is - this will be your LAST diet and you will get to your goal this year Then they can all just shut it!!! I'm sorry they would talk like that and hurt your feelings I could never say that to anyone - especially family or friends.

As for being on the protocol and socializing - it's not a walk in the park. I do short rounds so I just kind of make up excuses for 3 weeks of "why" I'm not eating this or drinking that. I really think people want to know what I'm doing but I haven't told anyone besides my husband. I just say I'm eating no sugar/ no starch and that I'm really trying to get this weight off for good. If we do go somewhere I make sure I have lots of water and maybe a protocol snack. It's hard though if everyone else is having a few drinks - but I just say I'm the designated driver and noboby asks any more questions. It is tough BUT for me it's only for 3 weeks because of short rounds. Sometimes I think people try to sabotage you when they see your success - maybe jealousy? Just stick it out and you will reap the rewards. You are doing AWESOME!!!

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by sugarsugar1

I have been very low carbing for the last 2 months. I swear, I lost sooo much weight on atkins the first time and really fast too. I have this baby and I've been trying to lose the same 5 pounds for 2 months! WTH! I can't wait to start the actual phase 2. I ate a burger and fries from steak and shake today for my loading and half a snickers and i feel so gross. I was so excited for it, but so scared . We'll see. I'm so afraid I'll be the one that this doesn't work for lol.

i thought it wouldn't me either! went from 352 in October to 299 today!! and this is PIGGING out at Thanksgiving Christmas and my birthday!!
LOAD WELL!!

Tip #1

Be committed to at least a clean, by the book, first Round on P2 protocol. Commit to 23 days maximum, even if you feel like you need to do a longer 40 day round.

Committing to just 3 weeks instead of 6 makes this protocol much easier to stick with. Mark it off on your calendar. 3 weeks. After your initial 3 weeks, take it day by day and really check in with how you feel. It is okay to only do 25 days or 33 days or anything in between 23 days and 40 days.

It is the first 3 weeks that are critical to your long-term success. Everyday after is just icing on the cake.

Do not concern yourself with what others are doing. This isn't a contest. This is solely about YOU

this is from P&I

we compromise by insisting that they eat frequently of highly concentrated foods such as milk chocolate, pastries with whipped cream, sugar, fried meats (particularly pork), eggs and bacon, mayonnaise, bread with thick butter and jam, etc. The time and trouble spent on pressing this point upon incredulous or reluctant patients is always amply rewarded afterwards by the complete absence of those difficulties which patients who have disregarded these instructions are liable to experience.

we have found the higher the fat during load days the easier going into VLCDs is.. AVOCADO COCONUT OIL and anything you will miss even if it is carby! chocolate butter pecan ice creamor that yummy doughnut! but higher fat is better than higher calorie carb or sugar! ENJOY

Originally Posted by Samantha42

Hi everyone!

I'm new here... just starting the cleansing phase. Do you guys always do 10-14 days of cleansing before starting phase 2? I bought a bunch of cleanses from Whole Foods, but I'm not terribly excited to start. I hope they don't upset my stomach at all!

I got my injection supplies today (minus the hCG) and felt dumb spending so much $ on them. I work at a hospital and it was all basic hospital goodies. Oh well Maybe the second time around I'll get this right. And cheap.

I'm so excited to do this. The last few weeks whenever I eat cr&ppy I would think to myself... it's okay, I'm going to get serious and commit soon and it's all going to be okay. I want this hCG to work, so I'm going to do my best. I have so much going on in life right now, but I need to be able to stay on a serious diet despite all these "events" and going out.

Have any of you modified the original P&I plan? As in-- not eating the melba toast or crackers? Or 600 or 800 calories instead? Just wondering what you guys do "by the book" and what you find more flexibility with.

Thanks! And hi!

stick as close to P&I as humanly possible only thing i did not do was stop my meds did stop my vit D and fish oil supplements because they were oil based

[krissakris]

Such a perfect topic b/c I was feeling anxious about going out this weekend, I have two invites to go to with people who are naturally thin and just don't get it so it's hard to explain why i'm choosing not to go to dinner, etc. Sunday will be better because it'll be with my workout friends so i know the picnic won't be choc full of bad food. R1P2VLCD5 and I'm down another 2.2lbs. I was too afraid to weigh in after loading, but so far down abuut 5lbs, and I'm a happy girl. I've never lost 2.2lbs overnight, so I'm excited to see where I'll be come Monday!

[mrscapiii]

Morning observations (ramblings) in no particular order:

This morning I added 1 tbls ACV to my "lemonade" and it isn't too bad. It's a decent way to get your ACV in if you are trying to do that because the lemon masks the ACV taste somewhat.

I do not believe oil free soaps exist. They are all made with some type of vegetable or animal oil.

I started at the very beginning reading all the Simeon's Protocal threads. I am up to December 2009.

Some days (quite a few actually) I have eaten the same thing for lunch and dinner and that seems to be a possible no-no.

I am down 1 lb this morning!

For the past week I have had tons of energy in the mornings but completely crash in the afternoon.

[mrscapiii]

But wait....there's more!

I'm considering ordering some Bach Flower Remedies. Does anyone have any experience using these?

I was shocked at the number of calories in spices! Almost everything has 23 calories per tablespoon.

I have to work 11-7 tonight and tomorrow night so I'm still trying to figure out when to eat so I am not starving during the day or at night.

[mrscapiii]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

i thought it wouldn't me either! went from 352 in October to 299 today!!

Twoferville!!!

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by mrscapiii

But wait....there's more!

I'm considering ordering some Bach Flower Remedies. Does anyone have any experience using these?

I was shocked at the number of calories in spices! Almost everything has 23 calories per tablespoon.

I have to work 11-7 tonight and tomorrow night so I'm still trying to figure out when to eat so I am not starving during the day or at night.

Hmmmmm, what spices have calories? Also, what spices are you using while in P2?

[HaleysNana]

Originally Posted by mrscapiii

Awesome! Can you post a typical day's menu? Apologies if you already have.

I've been having 2 slices bacon and 2 scrambled eggs for breakfast, a huge salad with avocado and grilled chicken for lunch and dinner is some kind of meat and grilled veggies followed by strawberries sprinkled with Truvia and Walden Farms chocolate.

[mrscapiii]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Hmmmmm, what spices have calories? Also, what spices are you using while in P2?

From what I can tell according to ****** ALL spices have calories, just some much more than others. Onion powder, garlic powder, chili powder, cumin are all high at 23 calories per Tbls. Oregano, basil, thyme are much less between 1 and 5 calories per tsp. Just found it interesting!

I use 3 different kinds of chili powders (mexican, ancho, and chipotle) and cumin in the chili I make. Since I use ground chicken (breast that I grind myself) I only end up about 185-190 calories per serving even with the higher calorie spices.

I use lots of different spices depending on what I am cooking. Keeps things from getting monotonous. Dill on fish, basil and oregano on chicken, curry on everything, etc.