SIMEONS HCG PROTOCOL -APRIL2010

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by duece49424

Good Morning - Holding my weight at 192, pretty much. It seems to go up and down 1 pound, so "holding" is the name of the game in Phase 3.

Question - I know we are staying away from starches...is flax meal a starch? I so want my flax muffin again in the morning for breakfast. Can't get into eggs and chicken isn't making me feel so good either. I get my protein in the flax muffin from the 1 egg I add to the flax meal, and fat if I use 1T butter or 1T coconut oil, and then of course the spices. It's 4 gm carbs, but also 4 gms of fiber..what do you think?

Have a great Saturday everyone?

Hi Susan! I'm holding pretty steady at 223. Can't wait to visit ONEderland again soon though!

Flax meal is from flax seeds right? Well, I am eating nuts and seeds on P3 myself. I guess it 'could' be considered something with starch although I would still not let it bother me, unless I started packing on the pounds because of it. I can't seem to tolerate coconut oil now for some reason. Sheesh. My 2 cents for what it's worth! You guys get storms last night in Michigan? I'm in north central Indiana and we got a quick moving but intense storm about 2:30 a.m.!!

[duece49424]

Thanks Marci - I was thinking the same thing about the flax...did you ever try it? I haven't tried the coconut oil yet, but in the past, I was fine with it, but couldn't do too much..not more than 2T a day or I would have a problem.

We had storms last night too...really the intense, fast moving, lots of wind and rain, everything was blowing all over the place on my deck. I'm in Holland and we are just starting the Tulip Time festival today..so many people in town. Lasts about 10 days, so, thank goodness is it a beautiful day here today. Sun is coming out nicely, so I'm going to go to the beach for my daily walk. I tried going there yesterday, but the wind was so strong and the sand was blowing so much it hurt, so I went back on the bike path.

Well, I just made my flax muffin and had it for breakfast...oh, did I miss that! I'll let you know how the scale is in the morning!

[shebasmudder]

Good morning, everyone ! After a variety of struggles with TOM and cravings, the scale is finally moving ! Today is VLCD26 and I weigh 213.6 - total loss of 13 pounds so far. I set a mini goal of 210 before I go to P3. Grapefruit has been very, very good to me !

[Victrola]

I'm down another 1.2 pounds! Definitely enjoying these days before the inevitable stalls come.

[pennylovesdarren]

I went off plan last night so I'm out of onederland I'm bloated and sick. Such an idiot. Anyhow back on track.

Awesome job Victrola! What vcld are you on?

[Victrola]

Originally Posted by pennylovesdarren

I went off plan last night so I'm out of onederland I'm bloated and sick. Such an idiot. Anyhow back on track.

Awesome job Victrola! What vcld are you on?

VLCD8 - down 8 pounds from pre-load weight!


And, Penny, why'd you go off plan? What threw you? You'll be back in no time, though!

Hey, we need a May thread!!

[FatFatnomore]

Originally Posted by Victrola

VLCD8 - down 8 pounds from pre-load weight!


And, Penny, why'd you go off plan? What threw you? You'll be back in no time, though!

Hey, we need a May thread!!

Congratulations! You are flying through those pounds. How much did you gain on your load days?

I've been compiling a list of foods I want to eat on my load days. I have a very strong feeling I will gain at least 10 pounds in two days of loading. lol

[Victrola]

Originally Posted by FatFatnomore

Congratulations! You are flying through those pounds. How much did you gain on your load days?

I've been compiling a list of foods I want to eat on my load days. I have a very strong feeling I will gain at least 10 pounds in two days of loading. lol

I gained 8 pounds on my load days and I'm not even counting those on my total loss because they disappeared overnight!! Heh, if I count those, I can say that I've lost 16 pounds in less than a week!!

But, no, those load pounds came and went in the blink of an eye, so I don't count them.

And I already have a list of things I can eat on my next load days! Conveniently timed for July 3rd and the Fourth of July!

[pennylovesdarren]

Honestly Victrola, I have no idea what happened last night. Anxiety? I was kind of stressed so I ate something extra and then more. I was having a great OP day until about 6pm and then I started feeling uptight. I saw my DH's cookies.........I should of threw them away because he wouldn't of cared but I thought "I'll eat one instead of the grissini" yeah, sure. whatever. Not me. I'm a previous binger. That's why I've always liked LC. It seems to keep that tendency in check. It's frustrating to say the least. Today will be another day without the grissini. I actually wanted to eat the junk. I paused for a second and thought no, just stop but I didn't. Maybe it was boredom.

You're doing great though! Stay on plan, don't shoot yourself in the foot like I have done now twice! (i think)

[Victrola]

So far, and it's only been a week, I'm staying on plan out of sheer terror. When I saw how easily the pounds piled on during the load days as I ate anything and everything... Eeep!

I'm also making a bit of a hermit of myself and I'm single so I don't have to look at anyone else's food but my own!

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Victrola

So far, and it's only been a week, I'm staying on plan out of sheer terror. When I saw how easily the pounds piled on during the load days as I ate anything and everything... Eeep!

I'm also making a bit of a hermit of myself and I'm single so I don't have to look at anyone else's food but my own!

Has anyone ever told you that you look like Patricia Keaton? At least in your pretty pix you do!

I'm an old married lady with grown kids and I still like to be a hermit!

[Selahgal]

I need a confirmation on something please.

I read somewhere that if a person stays on P3 LESS THAN 3 weeks, they don't have to have two load days when they begin P2 again. BUT if they stay on P3 for 3 weeks or longer, they must do the load days before going back on P2. True or not?

Also, what is the minimum length of time to do P3 in order to reset the hypothalamus [sure wish there was a way to confirm the reset!] and stabilize the weight before going back to P2?

I've decided not to go on to P4 until I'm truly done losing all the weight so now I need to decide how long to do P3. And do I still have to ADD a week at the end of each P2 too?

[Victrola]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

Has anyone ever told you that you look like Patricia Keaton? At least in your pretty pix you do!

I'm an old married lady with grown kids and I still like to be a hermit!

Aw, thanks! And, nope, never heard that one. :blush:

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

I need a confirmation on something please.

I read somewhere that if a person stays on P3 LESS THAN 3 weeks, they don't have to have two load days when they begin P2 again. BUT if they stay on P3 for 3 weeks or longer, they must do the load days before going back on P2. True or not?

Also, what is the minimum length of time to do P3 in order to reset the hypothalamus [sure wish there was a way to confirm the reset!] and stabilize the weight before going back to P2?

I've decided not to go on to P4 until I'm truly done losing all the weight so now I need to decide how long to do P3. And do I still have to ADD a week at the end of each P2 too?

if you are doing an interruption you do it like that
I read somewhere that if a person stays on P3 LESS THAN 3 weeks, they don't have to have two load days when they begin P2 again. but if you are ready to go into another round especially if this is your first round i would def do a full P3 and P4 just to make sure you have it right

lots of people do cycle though but in between rounds even cyclers do a FULL 3 weeks P3

myself this time i did a full 3 weeks P3 and have done about 8 days of P4 starting round 4 on Monday and planning the FULL break for this next time it will be like the reg 3 weeks P3 and i have to look up the number for P4 and 4th round HTH

[TxMom3]

Hi girls! Well, I am thinking the weekends are going to be harder for me! We went to an art festival (which was fun!) and I had nothing there to eat (my kids had corn dogs & ice cream) I really did not want anything at all. The problem is that I am 20 oz short on water (compared to where I have been all week at this time of the day) and I am just now getting ready to eat lunch~SO.......I am going to have to chug-a-lug to get all my water in. I am so thankful I ate 1/2 of my first protein before we left, so I was not starving.

anyway, P2VLCD6 down 7.6lbs!! I know it won't fall off this fast every week, but it would sure be great if it did!!

Hope you all have a great weekend~

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by Victrola

So far, and it's only been a week, I'm staying on plan out of sheer terror. When I saw how easily the pounds piled on during the load days as I ate anything and everything... Eeep!

I'm also making a bit of a hermit of myself and I'm single so I don't have to look at anyone else's food but my own!

I'm a hermit as well, but I can't wait until I hit onederland and wear smaller sizes so I can go out ! I turned down an Easter dinner invite from a "friend" and now she's not speaking to me ! She knows I have diabetes so should I continue to damage my body and have a sugar filled dinner ?!

Originally Posted by Selahgal

I need a confirmation on something please.

I read somewhere that if a person stays on P3 LESS THAN 3 weeks, they don't have to have two load days when they begin P2 again. BUT if they stay on P3 for 3 weeks or longer, they must do the load days before going back on P2. True or not?

Also, what is the minimum length of time to do P3 in order to reset the hypothalamus [sure wish there was a way to confirm the reset!] and stabilize the weight before going back to P2?

I've decided not to go on to P4 until I'm truly done losing all the weight so now I need to decide how long to do P3. And do I still have to ADD a week at the end of each P2 too?

I think you have to do the 3 weeks of P3 to reset your hypothalamus and give your body a chance to adjust to the new weight. I never heard of doing less than 3 weeks on P3 - do you remember where you saw that ?

From Pounds and Inches:

Patients requiring the loss of more than 34 lbs. must have a second or even more courses. A second course can be started after an interval of not less than six weeks, though the pause can be more than six weeks. When a third, fourth or even fifth course is necessary, the interval between courses should be made progressively longer. Between a second and third course eight weeks should elapse, between a third and fourth course twelve weeks, between a fourth and fifth course twenty weeks and between a fifth and sixth course six months. In this way it is possible to bring about a weight reduction of 100 lbs. and more if required without the least hardship to the patient......

It is also made clear that between courses the patient gets no treatment and is free to eat anything he pleases except starches and sugar during the first 3 weeks.




Of course, this applies to folks who are on the pure HCG and part of the worry is immunity to the HCG, hence the long break. With the homeopathic, we can do cycling.

Just curious - is there anyone on the pure HCG who plans to do cycling and what did your doctor say ?

[MandyRae7]

Hey all! I decided to ride along with my husband to some of his rodeos in canada this weekend. I packed most of my food but it is hard keeping on the diet. I think the drive gives me boredom and I want to eat! Only ten more days on this thing! Its hard to have any sort of a social life!

[duece49424]

Yes, becoming a hermit suits me just fine on this diet....so challenging when I go out or to friends homes, etc. It's interesting that a lot of your comments are exactly what I am thinking or going through.

Marci - did you do the spray, drops or injections? If you find the answers you are looking for, let me know. I'm on day 7 of P3 and I feel like its been weeks! I'm going to keep researching too, to see if I can do P2 sooner than the 6 weeks.

stina - I read the same thing you posted, and that is probably what I will have to do. Guess I need to learn to be more patient with myself, like I am with other people.

Take care everyone!

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by duece49424

Yes, becoming a hermit suits me just fine on this diet....so challenging when I go out or to friends homes, etc. It's interesting that a lot of your comments are exactly what I am thinking or going through.

Marci - did you do the spray, drops or injections? If you find the answers you are looking for, let me know. I'm on day 7 of P3 and I feel like its been weeks! I'm going to keep researching too, to see if I can do P2 sooner than the 6 weeks.

stina - I read the same thing you posted, and that is probably what I will have to do. Guess I need to learn to be more patient with myself, like I am with other people.

Take care everyone!

Susan,
I'm going to cycle, too. I know it must be hard to want to lose weight but have to wait another 3 weeks to get back to it. I am looking forward to P3 and all the new choices (can you say CHEESE !?! BUTTER ?! HEAVY WHIPPED CREAM in my coffee !?).

I think some people don't like to see you change or make changes to your life. They are comfortable with the way you are and whatever box they put you in. Now here you come, trying to get healthy and look slim and they have no clue what box to put you in ! It makes them uncomfortable but I have to take care of myself and none of these people pay for my diabetes and blood pressure medicine. So if I have to make changes to take care of myself, and they can't appreciate that or be supportive, they can KMA !!

[Victrola]

Originally Posted by stinastina

Susan,
I'm going to cycle, too. I know it must be hard to want to lose weight but have to wait another 3 weeks to get back to it. I am looking forward to P# and all the new choices (can you say CHEESE !?! BUTTER ?! HEAVY WHIPPED CREAM in my coffee !?).

OMG, my first P3 day I am going to have an enormous cup of coffee with gobs of HWC. MMMMM. I may not be able to eat much else that day (I think it will be best to gradually up my calories), but I want that cream!

[duece49424]

stina - I am starting to enjoy P3 a little more, once I wasn't so scared that I would gain all my weight back. My brain is still stuck in the day, when I would diet, actually every diet I tried, and I would always regain everything back - Plus more! This protocol does not do that, and I guess I had to experience that...I just didn't/couldn't believe this was working so well. YES, the cheese, butter, and heavy cream.....delish! AND, I'm still not hungry, but eat anyway...so strange for me because I am/was a very emotional/binger type eater...just awful. So, everyday, I am amazed and so happy that I found hcg and all these wise, experienced people to brainstorm with..and learn from.

[duece49424]

Vic - when do you start p3? You did injections, right? Do you have any idea how long you will do P3? What has your dr. said about that? Just curious...trying to get off P3 before the 6 weeks is up...haha!

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by Victrola

OMG, my first P3 day I am going to have an enormous cup of coffee with gobs of HWC. MMMMM. I may not be able to eat much else that day (I think it will be best to gradually up my calories), but I want that cream!

When is your first day going to be ?

Originally Posted by duece49424

stina - I am starting to enjoy P3 a little more, once I wasn't so scared that I would gain all my weight back. My brain is still stuck in the day, when I would diet, actually every diet I tried, and I would always regain everything back - Plus more! This protocol does not do that, and I guess I had to experience that...I just didn't/couldn't believe this was working so well. YES, the cheese, butter, and heavy cream.....delish! AND, I'm still not hungry, but eat anyway...so strange for me because I am/was a very emotional/binger type eater...just awful. So, everyday, I am amazed and so happy that I found hcg and all these wise, experienced people to brainstorm with..and learn from.

I am so glad this plan is working for us ! I wish other people weren't so skeptical especially doctors. For a lot of people it is just not easy to lose weight. A program that has immediate benefits without leaving you feeling deprived and with a bunch of health problems should really be applauded.

[Selahgal]

I am doing homeopathic drops. No immunity issues!

I find I'm not really hungry much yet either on Day 8 of P3!! Has to be mental since it only took two days of VLCD after stopping the drops. Still I find myself thinking "Wow, I haven't eaten much today!"

To be honest, I think three weeks for me on P3 should be more than enough to 'reset' myself and stabilize the current weight. Not sure why I need to stabilize myself here anyhow, I sure ain't planning on staying here! I'm heading to ONEderland!!!

Guess that would officially make me a 'cyclist' .... oh well!!! C'est la vie!

[Victrola]

If all goes according to plan, my first P3 day should be June 11th! I don't know yet about how long I will need to be off. I'm hoping to hold off immunity by only injecting six times a week. And the whole "34 pounds or 40 days" thing.

If I am so ridiculously fortunate as to lose 34 pounds before the 47 days (47 because of the skipping injections) then I will start my P3 early and do a bit of P4 before restarting.

Right now, fingers crossed, I have myself scheduled to begin round 2 on July 3, which means loading on July 3 and 4, which is good barbecue timing!!

I see my doctor on the 12th, so we'll see what he has to say.

[g2g]

Hi my name is Pam and I have been lurking on this site, thank you all for a wealth of information. It has really helped alot. I am currently using hhcg drops I started on April 13th. Have been doing OK , started at 170 currently 157, 13 pounds in 18 days, (not as good as some on the board however). I do have a couple of questions though. First of all I lost most of the weight the first 10 -12 days or so, since then it has been really slow, up a pound , then down a pound, even though I have not really changed anything since the beginning. I feel as though I am losing inches though! The last two days I have been extremely tired and notice when I walk upstairs my legs are very tired, like I can hardly make up a flight of stairs. I do take potassium and a multiple vitamin as of two days ago.
I just feel terrible at times, not sure why. Can anyone tell me if the same happened to them this far into the program, and what should I do. I really want to continue until I reach 23 or possibly 30 days. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Pam

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by g2g

Hi my name is Pam and I have been lurking on this site, thank you all for a wealth of information. It has really helped alot. I am currently using hhcg drops I started on April 13th. Have been doing OK , started at 170 currently 157, 13 pounds in 18 days, (not as good as some on the board however). I do have a couple of questions though. First of all I lost most of the weight the first 10 -12 days or so, since then it has been really slow, up a pound , then down a pound, even though I have not really changed anything since the beginning. I feel as though I am losing inches though! The last two days I have been extremely tired and notice when I walk upstairs my legs are very tired, like I can hardly make up a flight of stairs. I do take potassium and a multiple vitamin as of two days ago.
I just feel terrible at times, not sure why. Can anyone tell me if the same happened to them this far into the program, and what should I do. I really want to continue until I reach 23 or possibly 30 days. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Pam

Hi, Pam !

You have done excellent ! The average weight loss for a woman is .5 or .6 pounds per day according to Dr. Simeons so you are doing EVEN better than that ! Does your vitamin have B12 in it ? Have you had your iron levels checked ?

[GeneaX1]

Originally Posted by g2g

The last two days I have been extremely tired and notice when I walk upstairs my legs are very tired, like I can hardly make up a flight of stairs.

Have you read Pounds and Inches yet? It does explain that muscle fatigue can be a normal part of the process. Here is a quote.

Muscular Fatigue
Towards the end of a full course, when a good deal of fat has been rapidly lost, some patients complain that lifting a weight or climbing stairs requires a greater muscular effort than before. They feel neither breathlessness nor exhaustion but simply that their muscles have to work harder. This phenomenon, which disappears soon after the end of the treatment, is caused by the removal of abnormal fat deposited between, in, and around the muscles. The removal of this fat makes the muscles too long, and so in order to achieve a certain skeletal movement - say the bending of an arm - the muscles have to perform greater contraction than before. Within a short while the muscle adjusts itself perfectly to the new situation, but under HCG the loss of fat is so rapid that this adjustment cannot keep up with it. Patients often have to be reassured that this does not mean that they are “getting weak”. This phenomenon does not occur in patients who regularly take vigorous exercise and continue to do so during treatment.

[g2g]

Thank you for your relpies, I did have a complete blood test last month before starting, every thing was normal. I guess I just have to hang in there, maybe I will get B12.
Thanks again!

Pam

[doxielove]

Originally Posted by g2g

Hi my name is Pam and I have been lurking on this site, thank you all for a wealth of information. It has really helped alot. I am currently using hhcg drops I started on April 13th. Have been doing OK , started at 170 currently 157, 13 pounds in 18 days, (not as good as some on the board however). I do have a couple of questions though. First of all I lost most of the weight the first 10 -12 days or so, since then it has been really slow, up a pound , then down a pound, even though I have not really changed anything since the beginning. I feel as though I am losing inches though! The last two days I have been extremely tired and notice when I walk upstairs my legs are very tired, like I can hardly make up a flight of stairs. I do take potassium and a multiple vitamin as of two days ago.
I just feel terrible at times, not sure why. Can anyone tell me if the same happened to them this far into the program, and what should I do. I really want to continue until I reach 23 or possibly 30 days. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Pam

Hi Pam,

I feel terrible on HCG too (I do homeopathic drops). I get the same tiredness in my legs, and also terrbile back and shoulder pain, dizziness, lightheadedness and a complete lack of energy. I stick with it though, because it stops in P3 and the weight loss is so worth it. I did, however, start to feel quite a bit better when I started taking a liquid B12 supplement. You might want to give it a try.