SIMEONS HCG PROTOCOL -APRIL2010

[Chrystee]

R1P2VLCD8 -12 pounds and holding.

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by swinglow

Hi everybody, good morning

I just wanted to share with you all the huge sigh of relief I breathed this morning. Yesterday morning I'd released 0.2 but was very happy with my inch loss (down 1.5 inches on my belly button in just 2 days). From there my day just seemed to go down hill.

I had half a grapefruit for breakfast and then ran some errands. Normally I'm fine until lunch but yesterday I noticed I was sweaty and irritable by the time I returned home and was cooking lunch. So I decided to eat on my apple (2nd fruit) while cooking.

I made italian wedding soup and it was divine!!! I mean absolutely delicious and for the first time I tried shirataki noodles I got from the asian store (the kind with less than 1 carb per serving). I was really "rogue" here as I used a cup of boxed organic chicken broth, also, along with 1 cup of water and made the bestest tasting soup like ever (pre-p2 included).

After eating my big ole mug of soup, I was no longer sweaty or irritable but I was now very tired. It was time to go to work so I couldn't nap. I went and my manager actually let me return home. I just never seemed to get right after my blood sugar got all wacky before lunch. I had two apples in place of dinner, spread out about 2 hours. That's 4 fruits yesterday and 1 meal that consisted of a "noodle" in place of my grissini.

My calories were actually still within range but I just knew I wasn't going to lose. I was so worried about it. But I woke up this morning and I'm down 1.6 pounds! **big sigh of relief** This is VLCD 6 for a total of 10.4 pounds released.

I'm looking for ways to keep my blood sugar steady going forward. May require more roguish behavior but I must do everything possible to avoid another episode like the one I had yesterday.

Swinglow, do you test your blood sugars with a meter ? If you don't have a meter, One Touch is giving away free meters and the test strips are cheapest on eBay or you can get a really cheap meter from Walmart with test strips.

If you don't know your blood sugar numbers, when you rapidly go lower after being high, you feel like you are crashing. I felt this when I started Byetta. I wasn't actually TOO low, but I felt sick because I had been lower than my body was used to. It takes a while for your body to get used to lower numbers and you may feel ill before it does. Which is why it is so important for me to test my blood sugars so I know exactly what number I am.

[sugarsugar1]

Hi everyone,
Today is R1P2VLCD1 i woke up with the BIGGEST stomach ache EVER. I think it was because of the milk I had during loading. UGH. I took an IBPROFEN and I'm better now. Do any of you think it will hinder my weight loss?

[swinglow]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

yup in moderation and Zevia is better than the others try not to use any of the normal diet soda we are cautioned against those artifical sweetners! dite rites are sweetened with splenda and will do in a pinch but Zevia is made with Stevia i only had one about once a week while dosing though(and the Twist is nummy!! put frozen strawberries in your glass pour the Twist Zevis over and slowly enjoy with a straw and at the end eat your strawberries! BLISS!! and this summer when it is hot i would say it would be even better!!)

Oh this does sound yummy! I may have to look into this in a pinch, although it's been easy to stay away from the sodas so far.

((HUGS))) P&I talks about a blood sugar drop and sounds like what you ended up doing was like a modified apple day which is recommended to break a stall
this happened to my DH last round and the sugar took care of it and like Dr. S says it did not happen again!

Oh my goodness, this does sound just like what I experienced! Thank you for reminding me that sugar will fix it. I suspected it was blood sugar related but wasn't quite certain since I'd just eaten lunch. But it makes sense that since my blood sugar had already dropped, lunch hadn't pulled it up enough (as the sugar would have). I will definitely keep a couple packets of sugar with me just in case that ever happens again.

You are spot on with the modified apple day. That's exactly what I was trying to do. Since I didn't feel up to dinner after my crash but still experienced hunger, I just ate apples to make up for the rest of the cals. But having already had lunch, I thought I'd either be a 0 or a gain this morning. Thank goodness it was a release.. and a nice one, at that.

Originally Posted by stinastina

Swinglow, do you test your blood sugars with a meter ? If you don't have a meter, One Touch is giving away free meters and the test strips are cheapest on eBay or you can get a really cheap meter from Walmart with test strips.

If you don't know your blood sugar numbers, when you rapidly go lower after being high, you feel like you are crashing. I felt this when I started Byetta. I wasn't actually TOO low, but I felt sick because I had been lower than my body was used to. It takes a while for your body to get used to lower numbers and you may feel ill before it does. Which is why it is so important for me to test my blood sugars so I know exactly what number I am.

Stinastina, I haven't ever before, but I think I might get one for my time on p2. I've never had such an experience and it really frightened me a bit.

This morning, I tried one of those medical weight loss shakes for breakfast. It's a 100 cal shake that has protein and some natural carbs and no fat and designed to keep the blood sugar even. I tried it in place of my morning fruit and I'll see if I lose tomorrow.

I know I already feel better than I do normally when I do fruit for breakfast. My mind was clear all day and I'm just now noticing the very first twinges of hunger. Usually I start thinking about food an hour after my fruit and can't wait til lunch time come 11am. But I probably won't eat lunch today until 1ish and I feel fine. So if I lose tomorrow, I'll stick with this shake for breakfast. Wish me luck!

[debkeversole]

ooh Denise just noticed something! did u say u had your fruit for breakfast?? by itself?/ i know that has been discussed here before too! i would say that is your culprit! pretty sure the solution was to make sure there was protein with your fruit! HTH

and i forgot to answer the walden farms ? earlier yup the ones with NOTHING in them are perfect for P2!! DH would have went bonkers with out his thousand island on protocol!! i really liked the ranch and now they have mayo!! i haven't looks at the ingredients yet on the mayo but if they are ok i am ordering it for my next P2!!

[swinglow]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

ooh Denise just noticed something! did u say u had your fruit for breakfast?? by itself?/ i know that has been discussed here before too! i would say that is your culprit! pretty sure the solution was to make sure there was protein with your fruit! HTH

Yes ma'am, I sure did eat it alone. Man, I had no idea that was causing trouble like that! Thank you for letting me know

Welcome to twos-ville, my friend! Of course, you and I are just passing through.

[Samantha42]

Denise-- If I eat carbs alone, especially first thing in the morning, I'll be exhausted alllll day! But I'm usually ravenous too. Maybe ketosis prevented the ravenous part.



I realized today that I'm not getting my hCG for possibly weeks more. I haven't been seriously LCing since then, but I probably should since I'm just going to gain weight until my hCG comes. I think I'll do typical Atkins induction until it gets here. I just want it now though!!

[Calli777]

I have read many posts regarding people have "no-loss" days. I have just received my hcg kit and am devouring the info...cuz that's all I can do until my TOM is over..(insert "green-with-envy" smiley face here!!!) but I came across this info in the handy dandy lil packet they sent and thought I would share. It may have been posted someplace else that I havent come across yet but it never hurts to reinforce the info.....

The weight registered by the scale is determined by two processes not necessarily synchronized. Under the influence of hcg, fat is being extracted from the cells, in which it is stored in the fatty tissue. When these cells are empty and therefore serve no purpose, the body breaks down the cellular structure and absorbes it, but breaking up of useless cells, connective tissue, blood vessels, etc...may lag behind the process of fat-extraction. When this happens the body appears to replace some of the extracted fat with water which is retained for this purpose. As water is heavier than fat the sacles may show no loss of weight, although sufficient fat has actually been consumed to make up for the deficit in the 500-calorie diet. When the tissue is finally broken down and the water is liberated, there is a sudden flood of urine and a marked weight loss. This simple interpretation explains why on certain days they do not show any loss, though they have commited no dietary error.

[kerbear879]

Hi everyone!

Today is R1P2VLCD13 and was down 1.9 pounds this morning which nearly made me fall of the scale in shock! So new total is 13.8 pounds gone!

Hope everyone is enjoying their weekend!

[mrscapiii]

Originally Posted by Calli777

Lynne....I have used the Bach Remedies for years. Mostly the Rescue Remedy for my greyhounds and sometimes myself when I am feeling terribly stressed out. Which ones are you looking at using?

I haven't tried any of them yet. I've just been researching and was interested to see if anyone else used them and if they really do work.

[Samantha42]

Speaking of hCG and TOM, how do you guys do that? I've heard different things on taking the hCG during it vs stopping. It seems like you should be able to continue.

Also, does taking hCG change your cycles at all?

[shebasmudder]

I have a couple of random questions.

When you take your measurements, should you leave your bra on or off ?

Also, do drink your 2 liters of water on load days, too or start on VLCD #1 ?

[swinglow]

Originally Posted by kerbear879

Hi everyone!

Today is R1P2VLCD13 and was down 1.9 pounds this morning which nearly made me fall of the scale in shock! So new total is 13.8 pounds gone!

Hope everyone is enjoying their weekend!

Woohooo!!! Awesome release and you are doing fantastic!

Originally Posted by Samantha42

Speaking of hCG and TOM, how do you guys do that? I've heard different things on taking the hCG during it vs stopping. It seems like you should be able to continue.

Also, does taking hCG change your cycles at all?

I've heard of some saying that taking the hcg during makes their cycles longer with harsher side effects. I have a short cycle, so I'm just going to stop for two days and then continue.

Originally Posted by stinastina

I have a couple of random questions.

When you take your measurements, should you leave your bra on or off ?

Also, do drink your 2 liters of water on load days, too or start on VLCD #1 ?

I leave my bra on. I think it might be more accurate to do so. Wonder what everybody else does.

I just drank the normal amount of water for me on my load days; maybe a little less, as I was too full with food to have much room for liquids. The empty feeling in my stomach during VLCD makes it much easier to get in the H20

**here's an NLP trick. While your full and miserable on your load days, tug or pinch some part of your body, close your eyes, take a deep breath and say "I'd much rather be losing weight", exhale and reopen your eyes. Do this every time you feel absolutely miserable to have to take another bite. Do it as many times as you can. This is called an anchor. That way, if you ever have a craving while on p2, you can tug or pinch that same part, close your eyes and say the anchored phrase. It will dissolve your craving quite effectively as the unpleasantness of having to gorge on p2 returns to you. Pretty cool, huh?

Originally Posted by Samantha42

Denise-- If I eat carbs alone, especially first thing in the morning, I'll be exhausted alllll day! But I'm usually ravenous too. Maybe ketosis prevented the ravenous part.

Thanks for the tip! I will not do that again. In fact, I really hope I show a loss tomorrow so I can keep the shake in place of my morning fruit. Blood sugar was steady as a rock all morning and seemed to help control hunger all day long. The morning chocolate fix is nice, too.

You know, I was hungry last night. Or, at least for the first time all plan I was craving like crazy. I did not go off plan but last night was the first time it was really really hard not to do so. Must have been the low blood sugar. At first I thought it was the miracle noodles, but I had them in the exact same soup today with beautiful results! I was perfectly satisfied for over 5 hours and, even then, I wasn't hungry. Just started thinking about food when it was nearing time for dinner.

I realized today that I'm not getting my hCG for possibly weeks more. I haven't been seriously LCing since then, but I probably should since I'm just going to gain weight until my hCG comes. I think I'll do typical Atkins induction until it gets here. I just want it now though!!

I'm so sorry to hear about the stall in your shipment! It'll be here soon enough, though... and then it will be release time!

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by Samantha42

Speaking of hCG and TOM, how do you guys do that? I've heard different things on taking the hCG during it vs stopping. It seems like you should be able to continue.

Also, does taking hCG change your cycles at all?

From P&I

Menstruation

During menstruation no injections are given, but the diet is continued and causes no hardship; yet as soon as the menstruation is over, the patients become extremely hungry unless the injections are resumed at once. It is very impressive to see the suffering of a woman who has continued her diet for a day or two beyond the end of the period without coming for her injection and then to hear the next day that all hunger ceased within a few hours after the injection and to see her once again content, florid and cheerful. While on the question of menstruation it must he added that in teenaged girls the period may in some rare cases be delayed and exceptionally stop altogether. If then later this is artificially induced some weight may be regained.

now on homeopathic i didn't stop my dosing
this last round(sublingual) ended right when TOM showed so i called it an interupption and dosed for 8 more days after

and YUP hcg can change the whole spectrum of TOM lighter heavier longer shorter more frequent less frequent etc everyone will be different YMMV

mine started coming every 3 weeks for a while!

good night everyone Happy losing!!

[mrscapiii]

Busy at work tonight but I had a spare minute. I'm SO happy LCF isn't blocked. I already have facebook withdrawals...it wouldn't do for them to take this away!

I want some of these inches gone like everyone else!! I am losing, albeit slowly, but my clothes are fitting no different. You would think with a total loss of around 13 lbs that I would be shrinking.

[swinglow]

VLCD 7 and down 0.6 for a total of 11.0 pounds.

Originally Posted by mrscapiii

Busy at work tonight but I had a spare minute. I'm SO happy LCF isn't blocked. I already have facebook withdrawals...it wouldn't do for them to take this away!

I want some of these inches gone like everyone else!! I am losing, albeit slowly, but my clothes are fitting no different. You would think with a total loss of around 13 lbs that I would be shrinking.

Woohoooo at 13 lbs!

Hang in there MrsCapiii. Those inches are probably coming off more evenly than for some. You'll see them soon

[shebasmudder]

Thanks, swinglow, for that visualization technique. I was feeling full and yucky yesterday. Sometimes I would look at the food and just couldn't bear it. i think I did it right, though, I am up 2.4 lbs !

Okay, I am off to Waffle House for breakfast !

[debkeversole]

howdy all 299 this morning so claiming twoterville for one more day

Happy Easter!!!1

[sugarsugar1]

Happy Easter!
I'm down 3 pounds! R1PH2VLCD2
WHOOHOO!

[Samantha42]

Oh no! I really don't want my periods to change at all! Do the changes only occur WHILE taking the hCG? And then reverse when changed? I just feel like a cycle isn't something to mess with-- but losing weight & LCing may also cause shorter cycles, so I'm wondering if it's related to the weightloss and not necessarily the hCG?

[AmyMacT]

Hi everyone! This is my second time at this (1st time lost 15 lbs) and have now lost 5.5 lbs in 4 days! Woohoo!

When you say you're taking the HCG sublingually, are you talking about taking the prescription strength or homeopathic? I ask because I didn't want to do the shots and my Dr. ordered the RX sublingual and it's working out great. Cost about $100 w/shipping from a compounding pharmacy.

Also, I had lots of trouble losing when I ate broccoli (I now know NOT on the original list) and cabbage - found out it's because they're groitrogenic, i.e. family of veggies that affect your thyroid production. Just an FYI if it can help someone!

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by Samantha42

Oh no! I really don't want my periods to change at all! Do the changes only occur WHILE taking the hCG? And then reverse when changed? I just feel like a cycle isn't something to mess with-- but losing weight & LCing may also cause shorter cycles, so I'm wondering if it's related to the weightloss and not necessarily the hCG?

HCG has been used in fertility treatments at higher dosages. Dr. Simeons found that some women will get pregnant on this protocol. One of the vloggers, blondyjo's daughter, got pregnant after starting the protocol. So I expect it will definitely affect your cycle in some way.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by AmyMacT

Hi everyone! This is my second time at this (1st time lost 15 lbs) and have now lost 5.5 lbs in 4 days! Woohoo!

When you say you're taking the HCG sublingually, are you talking about taking the prescription strength or homeopathic? I ask because I didn't want to do the shots and my Dr. ordered the RX sublingual and it's working out great. Cost about $100 w/shipping from a compounding pharmacy.

Also, I had lots of trouble losing when I ate broccoli (I now know NOT on the original list) and cabbage - found out it's because they're groitrogenic, i.e. family of veggies that affect your thyroid production. Just an FYI if it can help someone!

yup cabbage stalls me everytime

welcome back to HCG

usually sublingually means the RX drops even though the homeopathic is also given under the tongue

[swinglow]

Originally Posted by sugarsugar1

Happy Easter!
I'm down 3 pounds! R1PH2VLCD2
WHOOHOO!

Originally Posted by Samantha42

Oh no! I really don't want my periods to change at all! Do the changes only occur WHILE taking the hCG? And then reverse when changed? I just feel like a cycle isn't something to mess with-- but losing weight & LCing may also cause shorter cycles, so I'm wondering if it's related to the weightloss and not necessarily the hCG?

If it affects you, it will only be while your on the hcg. It doesn't happen to everyone. I've only heard negative reports (more cramping, longer/heavier flow than normal) if the person did no break in injections during the flow. Those that stop for 2 to 3 days when they first come on seem to have no/less issue. I've read that even if your cycle is longer than 2 or 3 days, you can start the shots back up at that time without incident.

I've read with both sublingual and homeopathic, it doesn't make a difference whether you stop during cycle or not, but not exactly sure why that is.

Originally Posted by AmyMacT

Hi everyone! This is my second time at this (1st time lost 15 lbs) and have now lost 5.5 lbs in 4 days! Woohoo!

Also, I had lots of trouble losing when I ate broccoli (I now know NOT on the original list) and cabbage - found out it's because they're groitrogenic, i.e. family of veggies that affect your thyroid production. Just an FYI if it can help someone!

Great releases, AmyMac! That's good to know about that broccoli and cabbage. Man, and I love cabbage. I've been losing ok while eating it, so it must not affect me. I haven't tried the broccoli on p2 at all, though.

[dmndgrl]

Originally Posted by stinastina

HCG has been used in fertility treatments at higher dosages. Dr. Simeons found that some women will get pregnant on this protocol. One of the vloggers, blondyjo's daughter, got pregnant after starting the protocol. So I expect it will definitely affect your cycle in some way.

I was planning to finish up P3 last week and jump back into P2. Low and behold... no TOM for March. Last cycle was Feb 23. Took two Preg test and both Neg. I really want to get back to losing but am wondering WTH??
I guess I will continue P3 eating and if TOM is still a no show next week, maybe have a blood test.

[kerbear879]

Hi everyone!

Today is R1P2VLCD15 and yesterday I had no loss and today I was up .2. So I've basically been the same weight for 3 days now..which leads me to believe I have hit that stall that most people tend to hit in week 3. I am still sticking strictly to protocol and will just wait it out. I do not plan on doing any apple days...so hopefully I start losing again soon.

Hope everyone had a great Easter!

[Gracie514]

Good morning!

Today is R3/P2/VLCD1 - I loaded Saturday and Sunday and gained a whopping 8 pounds!!!! But boy did I enjoy myself As for my TOM - I haven't had any issues at all. But, I always make sure I am not on P2 during TOM. I don't think I could stand the cravings that come along with TOM. As for the Walden Farms products, I used them and had no problems. I like the Honey Dijon dressing - I'll usually take a bed of romaine lettuce with grilled chicken and the Honey Dijon dressing - yummy! I will sometimes add a tomatoe and use it as my fruit with my salad. I am definitely going to try Nicolope's chicken onion soup this round too.

[sugarsugar1]

R1P2VLCD3, down 2 more pounds for a total of 5! IS THIS REAL?! LOL
Good luck with the round, Gracie! Has anyone heard from Dessa or Dawn? Also, anyone know when my milk should dry up? LOL, my son's been weaned for a week and there's still milk there Had a family bbq yesterday, and I was really good. I just played with my son on the floor. When everyone asked, I just said I was doing a detox! Happy losses!

[Nicolope]

Hi all! my interruption and travels have wreaked havoc on my success...I can't wait to jump back on protocol next week. I'm up to 182 which is 2.5 up from my LDW. today is a steak day for me.

I'm home now and hoping to be in much better control.

Welcome to all the newbies!!!!!

[sugarsugar1]

My anniversary is the 16th and it's our 10 year...can I take an interruption? And how much damage will it do? Do I continue to take the drops if I do? I just want to eat P3 friendly stuff, but not in massive quantities, I just don't want to ruin it by telling my husband I don't want to go out bc Im on a diet, lol. How much damage will it do?