SIMEONS HCG PROTOCOL -APRIL2010

[Nicolope]

Originally Posted by wmac

I know exactly how you feel! I have been messing around with this for months! And then I get on here and read about all these people that are following the plan while I am not and they have all these wonderful weight losses! So this time I am determined.

You can do it!!!!

Originally Posted by duece49424

Good Morning Girls! You are all doing awesome! Thanks for the encouragement. Dropped one more pound...201...waiting for onederland to appear....25 pounds gone now and it feels great.

wmac...great planning on the party..feels good, doesn't it?

Haleys....you are off to a good start too!

stina...I'm going to ask my doctor what else he rec for this if smooth move didnt work for you...just remember...don't take it in the day..just before bedtime. Maybe there is an ingredient in it that your body is sensitive to. Drink lots of water...I drink at least 128 ounces per day.

Nic - are you back on track today? Stick to the plan because you know you basically lose your hunger, then things will go much better for you. Drink lots of water and yerba matte tea a few times a day.

I've gotta run but, everyone have a great day!

YAY!!!

Yep, I'm on track today. Even if I have to sleep all day!

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by lbecker28

I am getting ready to start P2 and was wondering which soap or body and which shampoo is P2 safe? Thanks!

i googled and found lots of oil free sunscreen!!!
i use Tom's orange toothpaste
Dr bronners liquid soap
jason shampoo and conditioner and i alternate with my deo one day liquid crystal and the next my reg one i use off protocol i have a lot of odor and i thought this was a pretty good compromise(i am also 300 pounds so that contributes to odor too)
moisturizer, a lot of people useTwin Labs Na-Pca body spray i have corn huskers lotion here anyways and that works pretty well
A good way to help your body:

fill a tub with hot water, put a lot of baking soda in it & some epsom salts in it. (Normally I add coconut oil in the tub but it's not allowed on p2.)


epsom salt is magnesium that your body will absorb & the baking soda helps soften skin as well as the epsom salts. Nice silky bath. Do not use soap while soaking or you'll wash away the effects.The baking soda will clean you enough.

Originally Posted by stinastina View Post
That Smooth Move Tea is very harsh on my tummy.
Can someone suggest something else for me ?

i honestly like the natural calm i have the raspberry lemon one mix your teaspoon with a couple of ounces of warm water in a cup big enough to handle the fizzing(like alka seltzer but more) and then add 12 ounces of water(or more if you like) sip while watching tv before bedtime
i just bought some smooth move yesterday in anticipation of going back on in May!! i hope it isn't to bad

Originally Posted by JunkInMyTrunk

I am looking into this diet-have an appt. next Thursday. Does anyone who is on this diet have a thyroid issue and do they make you discontinue your meds?

I was on another site searching for information and thought what I read suggested that they have you stop taking thyroid replacement, but it wasn't clear.

Thanks for any information

do not stop taking your meds when Dr. S said to do so it was in a dr supervised program most of us are doing it on our own and medical stuff really needs to be decided by a doc

My DH has done two rounds on his Synthroid and did very well and neither of us stopped any prescriptions i did stop my fish oil and vitamin D supplements while dosing oil capsules
and happy losing

found on web

Not permitted- Burt's Bees chapstick (contains lanolin)

Not permitted- oil based facial makeup-- exchange for powder, or bronzer

Lipsticks, eyebrow pencils, and powder are allowed on the Simeons protocol- as long as they do not contain fat or oils.

No medications are allowed (bye bye Nyquil.) This does not mean prescription medications and a doctor should be consulted before going on this diet regarding how your medications may be effected, and any complications between your prescription and hCG.

Aspirin and birth control are allowed on the Simeons hCG Diet.

No massage of any kind is allowed, no massage oils are permitted.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by HaleysNana

Good morning girls....didn't we have a guy here for awhile? Did we scare him off??

Today is R2P2VLCD 3, and down another 2.2 this morning for a total this round of 3 so far!

we used to have 2 regular guys posting Slim and Bob *sigh*

[kerbear879]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

I used the smooth move tea and my tummy hurt like bejesus! I drank an entire mug and boy did I pay for it. Maybe try a stool softener or a mild laxative to get things moving. Remember, we are not eating alot so there really isn't much to let back out Are you drinking enough water? When I drink over 100 ounces/day I don't have any problems with bernice.

Oh yes I drink a gallon of water a day and usually some tea too. I'm going in search of something else to help things along tonight. I'm not crazy about the smooth move taste anyways..it tastes like black licorice to me which is just I've heard a little acv cocktail will help with that too..but that sounds even worse to me than the smooth move.

[jeaniem]

Does anyone know if the Treadau book has contains a copy of the original P & I manuscript? I know it is free on line but would like a paper copy. Thanks

[shebasmudder]

Good morning, ladies !

Today is VLCD9 and I released .6 pounds. When my tummy was hurting I ate two big oatmeal cookies in the early evening. I felt bad and fell asleep (from sugar overload) and woke up about 9 pm, took my hhcg and ate my dinner. I didn't get back to sleep until around 1 am. But I am grateful I still lost. That was a rough day yesterday ! I pay so badly when I take in too much sugar !

Lesson learned ! Back to clean eating and more loss ! I go to my gynecologist today to check my incision from my fibroid surgery. She most likely will clear me for work. It has been about 6 weeks now. I feel great so there shouldn't be any issues.

[shebasmudder]

Originally Posted by jeaniem

Does anyone know if the Treadau book has contains a copy of the original P & I manuscript? I know it is free on line but would like a paper copy. Thanks

I don't know but were you going to buy his book ? That man has a seriously long criminal record and he just went to jail for contempt of court. I would be wary of anything he wrote.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by jeaniem

Does anyone know if the Treadau book has contains a copy of the original P & I manuscript? I know it is free on line but would like a paper copy. Thanks

I don't know about Trudeau's book but you can download it on-line and print it out! That's what I did.

[kerbear879]

Okay need some opinions..

I need to get a boatload of dental work done and the last dentist I went to wanted to split it up into several visits..problem is that I have huge anxiety with the dentist to the point where I have full blown panic attacks and even hyperventilate so I finally found this dentist around here who does what is known as sleep dentistry. Basically, you are hooked up to an iv that administers anxiety meds to the point where you are awake but heavily sedated and it has an amnesiac effect so you typically do not remember having anything even done. This allows them to do all the procedures at once so you don't need to come back and also alleviates the severe stress. Here's the issue, you can't have anything to eat or drink for 8 hours before and you can expect to be at the dentist office for anywhere between 2 to 6 hours depending on how much work you are having done and then you probably won't be able to eat for awhile after that too..

It probably won't be something I do in P2 as I don't want to take anything sedating while being on hcg..and my worry is that if I do it in P3 it make screw with my stabilizing because I won't be able to eat or drink anything for about 24 hours or so..So then do you think this should wait for P4?

Not sure what to do..

[JunkInMyTrunk]

Originally Posted by AmyMacT

Do NOT stop taking your meds. I have severe hypothryoidism and the meds do not affect the diet at all. You want your thyroid level to be as normal as possible.

Thanks for the reply. I found another thread in the thyroid section where people who were hypo were put on the protocol by their doctor.

I was going to cancel my appointment if I had to go off my meds. I didn't want to waste the clinics time or my time if that was the case, so I wanted to find out the answer in plenty of time to cancel.

I'm looking forward to this and losing some weight. I just can't lose doing lowcarb by itself and I'm getting really frustrated.

I tried IF and was successful with it, but I just can't seem to get back to it.

[shebasmudder]

I cannot find cayenne pepper anywhere ! What is the deal ? The closest I came to it is a huge bottle at Krogers for almost $7.

[wmac]

I had a VERY stressful day!!!!! I hope I still lose tomorrow!?

[debkeversole]

Good Morning all! with Kens surgery and the long hours in the car TOM , not enough rest or water i am up today but going to straighten it out! oh and a sinus thingie that is hurting my teeth on that side ugh today is R3P3D13 and i am staying this time between 299 and 304 so i am counting that as stabilizing pretty good!

[metqa]

Originally Posted by kerbear879

The smooth move hasn't been working for me at all. And it's been several days now with no BM so I'm going to have to go out and try to find something else instead..

Anyways, today is R1P2VLCD24 and dropped .2 but I had gained 1.3 yesterday so losing just .2 wasn't the greatest of reliefs..oh well. I'm at an even 16 pounds lost. I did take my shot this morning so today might be my last injection and it may not..I think it will all depend on what my weight is in the morning. I am just taking it day by day now.

Originally Posted by Gracie514

I used the smooth move tea and my tummy hurt like bejesus! I drank an entire mug and boy did I pay for it. Maybe try a stool softener or a mild laxative to get things moving. Remember, we are not eating alot so there really isn't much to let back out Are you drinking enough water? When I drink over 100 ounces/day I don't have any problems with bernice.

Remember that Smooth move's primary ingredient is Senna. Senna is a Purgative. Look up purgatives. Their action is to irritate your stomach and intestines. This irritation causes the body to reject it, by flushing water into the intestines and colon and triggering the muscles to spasm to get it out. they add marshmallow and other soothing herbs to help sooth the irritation in the stomach but the intestinal spasms (griping it is called) are part of the normal action. Your body does not want it in it.

Also, the amount of food we are eating is negligible and low in insoluble fiber. It is not normal to try to force bowel movements when there is nothing to move. It is not hurting your body to store enough waste to have a normal mass movement, unless you've eaten something poisonous or irritating like senna. It's is OK to not have a bowel movement for 3 days on protocol, you are only eating maybe 1/3 days' worth of food each day.

About the not using balm or lipstick. P&I didn't put any restrictions on lipstick containing oil or not.

No medicines or cosmetics other than lipstick, eyebrow pencil and powder may he used without special permission

If I'm allowed to use lipstick then why could I not use lip balm with the same ingredients, It is just lipstick without color. My set of lipsticks had a plain stick with no color to smooth,protect or add sheen , it just had no color or dyes added.
I'm thinking just like we remove visible fat from the meat, but don't fret about removing every strand of marbled fat, I don't think the doc intended to micromanage which type of lipstick/balm women use and just made an exception for that item. If one can find a lip stick that is oil free that's great, but I don't think it is a 'requirement'. I doubt they had as many options for lipstick back when P&I was written and women still lost their weight.

[metqa]

Originally Posted by kerbear879

Okay need some opinions..

I need to get a boatload of dental work done and the last dentist I went to wanted to split it up into several visits..problem is that I have huge anxiety with the dentist to the point where I have full blown panic attacks and even hyperventilate so I finally found this dentist around here who does what is known as sleep dentistry. Basically, you are hooked up to an iv that administers anxiety meds to the point where you are awake but heavily sedated and it has an amnesiac effect so you typically do not remember having anything even done. This allows them to do all the procedures at once so you don't need to come back and also alleviates the severe stress. Here's the issue, you can't have anything to eat or drink for 8 hours before and you can expect to be at the dentist office for anywhere between 2 to 6 hours depending on how much work you are having done and then you probably won't be able to eat for awhile after that too..

It probably won't be something I do in P2 as I don't want to take anything sedating while being on hcg..and my worry is that if I do it in P3 it make screw with my stabilizing because I won't be able to eat or drink anything for about 24 hours or so..So then do you think this should wait for P4?

Not sure what to do..

Well, for me, I would think as far as not being able to eat, P2 would be the perfect time to do it. Since we are eating so little, a complete fast would not be so much different. I don't know about the being worried about being sedated with HCG. Why does that scare you? HCG is not harmful, pregnant women are full of it! But , seriously, I was thinking that this might be one of those cases where people use protein powder. Since you wouldn't be able to chew afteward for a while, you could get a low fat protein powder to make sure you at least got your protein afterward. Do they not want you to eat before had so you don't throw up? That's what I would do, I'd just avoid breakfast before the appointment, or a little grissini breadstick can't be that much food. and then avoid solid food afteward, and have protein shakes when I was allowed to eat again, until it healed.

BTW, that' is just my opinion of what I would do.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by kerbear879

Okay need some opinions..

I need to get a boatload of dental work done and the last dentist I went to wanted to split it up into several visits..problem is that I have huge anxiety with the dentist to the point where I have full blown panic attacks and even hyperventilate so I finally found this dentist around here who does what is known as sleep dentistry. Basically, you are hooked up to an iv that administers anxiety meds to the point where you are awake but heavily sedated and it has an amnesiac effect so you typically do not remember having anything even done. This allows them to do all the procedures at once so you don't need to come back and also alleviates the severe stress. Here's the issue, you can't have anything to eat or drink for 8 hours before and you can expect to be at the dentist office for anywhere between 2 to 6 hours depending on how much work you are having done and then you probably won't be able to eat for awhile after that too..

It probably won't be something I do in P2 as I don't want to take anything sedating while being on hcg..and my worry is that if I do it in P3 it make screw with my stabilizing because I won't be able to eat or drink anything for about 24 hours or so..So then do you think this should wait for P4?

Not sure what to do..

Are there side effects of the sedation drug afterward? When I went to the dentist they gave me laughing gas and it worked perfect. You aren't totally knocked out but you could give a rat's as* about what the dentist is doing! They put the gas into your nose through a mask and you sort of go to "la-la land". Could you do that instead of such a harsh sedation? I think it's your call on when to do it - the hcg in your system won't make any difference as to how the drug works or how you feel. If it were me - since your moving onto P3 soon - I would schedule it while I'm in P3 or P4.

[AmyMacT]

Speaking of P3, what foods are you most looking forward to? Mine is cheese - I'm an addict!

[metqa]

Home Roasted Crispy Skin Chicken!

[Gracie514]

Cheese omelet with sour cream!!!!

Sour cream mixed with splenda w/berries!!!!

Rotisserie chicken thighs!!!!

Atkins PB Bar!!!! ( I know, I know ) but I stabilized well with them!

BUTTER

[metqa]

I really like the atkins PB bar, too! I have exactly one left. I heard they changed the formula for some of the bars and use maltitol now. What's the main sweetener in yours?

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

Good Morning all! with Kens surgery and the long hours in the car TOM , not enough rest or water i am up today but going to straighten it out! oh and a sinus thingie that is hurting my teeth on that side ugh today is R3P3D13 and i am staying this time between 299 and 304 so i am counting that as stabilizing pretty good!

I'm sure you are up because of the long car ride and the stress. Drink lots of water today and a clean P3 will get you back within range.

[duece49424]

Hello Ladies! Been really busy yesterday and today and holding my own at 201. I know I didn't get all my water in yesterday, so I will have to work at that today..ususally not a problem. Also, lots of stress with the kids I mentor, and not much sleep..boils down to it really hasn't been a very good week for the stress and sleep. I think I'm through it as of today, so hopefully a new day tomorrow. I did have steak 2 times yesterday as that is all I had ready to grab and go cause of being so hectic.

I do have one question...what if you forget to eat lunch? Does your body needs this food consistently, to keep metabolism going, or ok?

Take care everyone and have a really great day!

[wmac]

I am down 1.6 today! I was really worried I wouldn't lose because of stress.

[duece49424]

wmac....Yeah!

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by duece49424

Hello Ladies! Been really busy yesterday and today and holding my own at 201. I know I didn't get all my water in yesterday, so I will have to work at that today..ususally not a problem. Also, lots of stress with the kids I mentor, and not much sleep..boils down to it really hasn't been a very good week for the stress and sleep. I think I'm through it as of today, so hopefully a new day tomorrow. I did have steak 2 times yesterday as that is all I had ready to grab and go cause of being so hectic.

I do have one question...what if you forget to eat lunch? Does your body needs this food consistently, to keep metabolism going, or ok?

Take care everyone and have a really great day!

Your body doesn't need the food - in P&I it says not to worry if you can't eat all the food. I usually eat it all but sometimes if I'm not even a bit hungry I'll leave out the fruit.

Hope you get some nice rest and have a nice release tomorrow!

[duece49424]

Gracie...a few days ago I had an apple at noon and when I remembered lunch it was 5 pm, and we were eating dinner soon, so I just let it go, but it almost happened to me today also. Just thought of lunch when I wrote my note. Thanks for your input.

[wmac]

That samething happened to me. I had an apple with me so I ate that for lunch. I was busy and didn't eat the rest of my food. I lost the next day, but I didn't know if it was okay or not either.

[wmac]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Cheese omelet with sour cream!!!!

Sour cream mixed with splenda w/berries!!!!

Rotisserie chicken thighs!!!!

Atkins PB Bar!!!! ( I know, I know ) but I stabilized well with them!

BUTTER

This all sounds ssoooooo good! I need to try the atkins PB bar....when I can.

[HaleysNana]

Down another lb here...and now I'm really looking forward to P3 to try those PB bars!! And my goodness do I love cheese!! And bacon! And butter! And sour cream! I'm beginning to sound like Paula Deen!!

[shebasmudder]

I'm having a lot of hunger. Last night I was really hungry so I ate some extra protein and fruit. Today so far I stuck to protocol but I was really hungry two hours ago and fought it hard. I don't know if my hhcg went bad, but thank goodness I have a 2nd bottle from a different vendor. I started that one before lunch. If I have been taking bad hhcg for a minute and now the effect has wore off, will I be hungry for a couple of days ? Should I just do my best to stick to protocol or start over (I wouldn't be opposed to reloading - LOL !) ?