Simeons HCG Protocol -- MARCH 2010

[smilekishin]

Originally Posted by Bob1956

Good morning All. Today is R3P4D14, and my weight today is 180.6 lbs., the same as yesterday. Not bad after oatmeal, a banana, crackers and 3.6 oz 's of Ben & Jerry's Chocolate Fudge ice cream. Today I'm back to eggs, I'll probably alternate between eggs and oatmeal. Yesterday I upped my walk a bit, to 3.2 miles from 2.8. Gotta go now, hope to catch up with you guys later.

Everyone have a great and INTENTIONAL day.

Bob
R1:254 LBS./226 LBS./28 LBS lost R2:236 LBS./200 LBS./36 LBS lost R3:210 LBS./180.5 LBS./29.5 LBS Lost
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[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by obraxton

yes, but is this based on a 3 week cycle or a 6 week cycle? All of the reading that I have read regarding a 6 week Phase 2 is a 6 week Phase 3. I would be very glad to do it again in 3 weeks instead of 6, as long as it's okay for my body having done it for 6

P3 is 3 weeks but then P4 is ANOTHER 3 weeks first round

Dr. S's orginal protocol is 40 days of dosing and 3 of VLCD without hcg so that works out to be the 6 week P2 ......that's straight from the manuscript

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

i wouldn't do it i have even given up my diet Pepsi but YMMV

I agree - just stick with water, tea, coffee, lemons.

I make lemonade - water, lemon juice, stevia, crushed ice - very refreshing!

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by JustKim

sweetened with aspartame

aspertame is EVIL!!! I avoid it like the plague!!

that's why I make my own jello with koolaid, splenda or stevia & knox gelatin! I make the knox blox so I can eat em with my fingers! There's like, what, about 25 flavors or koolaid out there now?

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

Well, we have local grassfed beef [free ranged, no hormones, no antibiotics] so it's straight from the cow as they say. But I'm thinking if I cook it good and drain it well, I might be ok. Guess time will tell!! [Such a shame because fat from pure cows is really GOOD FOR YOU! I'll save it for later use!]

Dessa, you said,
Originally Posted by obraxton
"I was told that it was 6 weeks of Phase 3 when doing 40 days (according to my book and others that are doing it online) This is what I'm doing:

40 days Phase 1/2
40 days Phase 3
40 days Phase 1/2 again and so on so forth until I get to maintenance."


Since Phase 3 in the book is three week of 'no starch/no sugar' and Phase 4 is ... uh ... maintenance[?] are you just doing Atkins in Phase 3 for 40 days and then repeating and repeating? Trying to figure out the best way to incorporate Atkins in this HCG thing!

Marci ~ Phase 3 is 3 weeks of no sugar/starch
Phase 4 is 3 weeks of slowly adding sugars/starches back in

Then you can start another round.

But, some people on another site do "cycle" from P2 to P3 then right back to P2. It's up to each person individually and the "cycling" is not written in the P&I protocol.

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Bob1956

Good morning All. Today is R3P4D14, and my weight today is 180.6 lbs., the same as yesterday. Not bad after oatmeal, a banana, crackers and 3.6 oz 's of Ben & Jerry's Chocolate Fudge ice cream. Today I'm back to eggs, I'll probably alternate between eggs and oatmeal. Yesterday I upped my walk a bit, to 3.2 miles from 2.8. Gotta go now, hope to catch up with you guys later.

Everyone have a great and INTENTIONAL day.

Bob
R1:254 LBS./226 LBS./28 LBS lost R2:236 LBS./200 LBS./36 LBS lost R3:210 LBS./180.5 LBS./29.5 LBS Lost
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Wonder why I can't see colors ????

[40winks]

I notice lots of people are using different sauces and salad dressings during Phase 2 eating. I looked at a typical sauce I saw mentioned -- Walden Farms seafood sauce. This is what I found:

"Ingredients: Triple Filtered Purified Water, Tomato Paste, Apple Cider Vinegar, White Distilled Vinegar, Cellulose Gel, Salt, Maltodextrin, Food Starch Modified, Onion Powder, Garlic Powder, Pasteurized Egg Yolk, Xanthan Gum, Propolene Glycol Alginate, Natural Flavorings, Horseradish, Lemon Juice, Worcestershire Sauce, Red Cabbage Coloring, Sodium Benzoate (To Preserve Freshness), Sucralose."

I just hope everyone is aware of what you're eating. As I understand it, "Food Starch Modified" has MSG in it. "Pasteurized Egg Yolk" -- well, egg yolks have lots of fat in them. " Natural Flavorings" is one of the names processed food manufacturers use instead of saying "MSG." And some of the other ingredients -- Cellulose Gel, Maltodextrin, Propolene Glycol Alginate, Sodium Benzoate -- I just don't know what the heck these things are, but I do know they are not foods on Dr. Simeons' allowed food list.

If you're having cravings, not losing much weight, having headaches or any other problems, you might want to read the ingredients of all the products you're using and maybe change what you're doing.

Personally, I really wanted to lose weight and be healthier, so during P2 I didn't eat any processed, manufactured foods except Melba toast. Phase 2 only lasts 6 weeks, and I really want to make the most of it.

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

P3 is 3 weeks but then P4 is ANOTHER 3 weeks first round

Dr. S's orginal protocol is 40 days of dosing and 3 of VLCD without hcg so that works out to be the 6 week P2 ......that's straight from the manuscript

Ok now I'm confused again ... but I'm used to it!

I thought the 40-day count included the 2 load days at the beginning and the 3 NO HCG days at the end? If not, then it's 43 days total VLCD, yes?

[JustKim]

I cannot believe the appetite suppression with this! I ate my 100g of grilled chicken breast and had cut up some cucumber slices to go with it and couldn't even finish the cucumber - I STILL have my breadstick and orange yet to eat and I already feel totally full. can I save them for a snack this afternoon instead?

[obraxton]

Originally Posted by Tiana928

Does anyone know why apples are the chosen fruit to break a stall or plateau? I wonder if you could get the same results with other allowed fruits, like 6 servings of strawberries or 6 oranges in 24 hours. I'm not doing an apple day just yet (knock on wood), just wondering about this.....

Any thoughts on this?

Reading my mind....

[40winks]

Originally Posted by JustKim

I cannot believe the appetite suppression with this! I ate my 100g of grilled chicken breast and had cut up some cucumber slices to go with it and couldn't even finish the cucumber - I STILL have my breadstick and orange yet to eat and I already feel totally full. can I save them for a snack this afternoon instead?

You can eat the fruit OR the breadstick as a snack, but not both. They're both carb foods. If you experience hunger after eating carbs by themselves, eat them with your meals in the future.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by obraxton

Reading my mind....

Dessa ~ I tried to answer this in Post# 413. The thread is moving fast so you may have missed it. I'm not sure of the answer but I had my theory!

[40winks]

Originally Posted by Tiana928

Does anyone know why apples are the chosen fruit to break a stall or plateau? I wonder if you could get the same results with other allowed fruits, like 6 servings of strawberries or 6 oranges in 24 hours. I'm not doing an apple day just yet (knock on wood), just wondering about this.....

Any thoughts on this?

Perhaps it's because apples are so high in pectin. I've read that pectin has many health-giving qualities, though I don't recall specifics. And I'm pretty sure it's a much lower glycemic-index fruit than oranges.

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by JustKim

I cannot believe the appetite suppression with this! I ate my 100g of grilled chicken breast and had cut up some cucumber slices to go with it and couldn't even finish the cucumber - I STILL have my breadstick and orange yet to eat and I already feel totally full. can I save them for a snack this afternoon instead?

Yes according to P&I you can eat them at different times of the day for breakfast or a snack!

Glad to hear you're having no hunger! That's encouraging!!!

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

Ok now I'm confused again ... but I'm used to it!

I thought the 40-day count included the 2 load days at the beginning and the 3 NO HCG days at the end? If not, then it's 43 days total VLCD, yes?

You're not doing injections right? You are doing hhcg? On hhcg you only have to wait 48 hours before starting P3 - so 2 VLCDs without the hhcg. So, the maximum Dr. Simeons recommends on any round is 40 injections (or doses). If you break it down then, 2 days loading (dosing) + 38 days VLCD(dosing) + 2 days without hcg but still VLCD = 42 days total. If you are doing injections then it is 43 days. HTH

[HaleysNana]

Originally Posted by JustKim

I cannot believe the appetite suppression with this! I ate my 100g of grilled chicken breast and had cut up some cucumber slices to go with it and couldn't even finish the cucumber - I STILL have my breadstick and orange yet to eat and I already feel totally full. can I save them for a snack this afternoon instead?

I know exactly what you mean....after eating my chicken and salad at lunch there is no way I could eat a piece of fruit...too full!! So i'll have it later! Bible study at church tonight so it will have to be after that...maybe I won't need it.

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

You're not doing injections right? You are doing hhcg? On hhcg you only have to wait 48 hours before starting P3 - so 2 VLCDs without the hhcg. So, the maximum Dr. Simeons recommends on any round is 40 injections (or doses). If you break it down then, 2 days loading (dosing) + 38 days VLCD(dosing) + 2 days without hcg but still VLCD = 42 days total. If you are doing injections then it is 43 days. HTH

Yes that helps a lot. SIX NICE EVEN WEEKS! Heh. Yeah I'm doing the homeopathic drops.

Then THREE WEEKS of NO STARCH/NO SUGAR, yes?

After that, I can return to Atkins, but I'm not sure how long to stay there until I can begin Round 2! I expect I'll have to do at least four rounds to drop over 100lbs. I thought I'd read in P&I that you should stay OFF the hHCG the same amount of time you were ON it. That would mean NINE WEEKS!

Trying to get my ducks in a row but they keep moving!!!

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

Ok now I'm confused again ... but I'm used to it!

I thought the 40-day count included the 2 load days at the beginning and the 3 NO HCG days at the end? If not, then it's 43 days total VLCD, yes?

43 days total (2 loading with HCG+38 vlcd with HCG) + 3VLCD(without hcg) for RX which is 6 weeks +1 day 6x7=42

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by JustKim

I cannot believe the appetite suppression with this! I ate my 100g of grilled chicken breast and had cut up some cucumber slices to go with it and couldn't even finish the cucumber - I STILL have my breadstick and orange yet to eat and I already feel totally full. can I save them for a snack this afternoon instead?

Originally Posted by HaleysNana

I know exactly what you mean....after eating my chicken and salad at lunch there is no way I could eat a piece of fruit...too full!! So i'll have it later! Bible study at church tonight so it will have to be after that...maybe I won't need it.

[Nicolope]

Phew...
I just finished my Shred workout and I'm really shaky. I may have to put the workouts on hold for a few days until I balance out a bit. Especially with TOM here.

But, on the plus side, I don't want to eat my food. I ate my 100gms of chicken and am going to get some cucumber. But I have a feeling that's all I'll eat right now.

YAY!

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Marci ~ Phase 3 is 3 weeks of no sugar/starch
Phase 4 is 3 weeks of slowly adding sugars/starches back in

Then you can start another round.

But, some people on another site do "cycle" from P2 to P3 then right back to P2. It's up to each person individually and the "cycling" is not written in the P&I protocol.

So since phase 3 is NO sugar/NO starches at all, then I shouldn't go back to my Atkins until Phase 4, right? That makes Phase 2 about 40-43 days plus 3 weeks for Phase 3 or 21 days or 61-64 days total.

Then Phase 4 should be the same about of time, right? ... 61-64 total days or say, about 9 weeks of Phase 4. THEN I can start Round 2, etc.

Am I on track here?

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

Yes that helps a lot. SIX NICE EVEN WEEKS! Heh. Yeah I'm doing the homeopathic drops.

Then THREE WEEKS of NO STARCH/NO SUGAR, yes?

After that, I can return to Atkins, but I'm not sure how long to stay there until I can begin Round 2! I expect I'll have to do at least four rounds to drop over 100lbs. I thought I'd read in P&I that you should stay OFF the hHCG the same amount of time you were ON it. That would mean NINE WEEKS!

Trying to get my ducks in a row but they keep moving!!!

Yes, after your 42 days of P2 you move onto P3 which is No Sugar and No Starch. You remain in P3 for 3 weeks. Then you start P4 which also lasts 3 weeks and is when you SLOWLY add all foods back in.

So, you have 6 weeks in between Round 1 and 2 to stabilize. He does also recommend that you lengthen your P4 with each subsequent round.

Edited to Add ~ He recommended the longer wait times to prevent immunity to RX hcg - so with the hhcg alot of people start after 3 weeks of P4.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

So since phase 3 is NO sugar/NO starches at all, then I shouldn't go back to my Atkins until Phase 4, right? That makes Phase 2 about 40-43 days plus 3 weeks for Phase 3 or 21 days or 61-64 days total.

Then Phase 4 should be the same about of time, right? ... 61-64 total days or say, about 9 weeks of Phase 4. THEN I can start Round 2, etc.

Am I on track here?

For Phase 3 - you can eat veggies, fruits (berries, apples, oranges, grapefruits), sour cream, cream cheese, All cheeses, meats, sugar-free products, some nuts, etc.


Also, you are resetting your metabolism so you won't have to eat Atkins for the rest of your life. Our bodies should be able to handle those carbs in moderate quantities. It's hard to change our mindsets after doing LC.
For Phase 4 - you slowly add sugar/starches back into your diet. Such as bananas, oatmeal, bread, etc. But, the key word is "slowly"!!!

[HaleysNana]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

For Phase 3 - you can eat veggies, fruits (berries, apples, oranges, grapefruits), sour cream, cream cheese, All cheeses, meats, sugar-free products, some nuts, etc.


Also, you are resetting your metabolism so you won't have to eat Atkins for the rest of your life. Our bodies should be able to handle those carbs in moderate quantities. It's hard to change our mindsets after doing LC.
For Phase 4 - you slowly add sugar/starches back into your diet. Such as bananas, oatmeal, bread, etc. But, the key word is "slowly"!!!

Isn't Phase 3 where we also increase our calories? Is it 1500 or am I imagining things again?

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by HaleysNana

Isn't Phase 3 where we also increase our calories? Is it 1500 or am I imagining things again?

Yes, you are absolutely right. I think I ate around 2500 calories per day without gaining.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Nicolope

Phew...
I just finished my Shred workout and I'm really shaky. I may have to put the workouts on hold for a few days until I balance out a bit. Especially with TOM here.

But, on the plus side, I don't want to eat my food. I ate my 100gms of chicken and am going to get some cucumber. But I have a feeling that's all I'll eat right now.

YAY!

Yeah, exercising in P2 is not highly recommended except maybe walking. The Shred workout just sounds high energy!

[heahyou00]

After re-reading some stuff I dont think I mixed my HCG strongly enough. since I am skipping 1 injection per week, technically I am only doing a total of 35 shots and I mixed it for 40 shots, so I was giving myself too small of a dose, so I upped my dose this morning to make up for it, and I feel pretty good. I wonder if thats why I felt so hungry the first couple days. So we will see what happens now.



Kelly

[sugarsugar1]

Just introducing myself I lost 40 pounds when I was 23 using atkins, and maintaining for 4 yrs. But after crazy fertility drugs for two years and FINALLY (YAY!) having my beautiful baby boy 4 months ago. I ate completely healthy, but not low carb as per my drs orders and between the fertility drugs (20 pounds) and pregancy (30 pounds) I went up to 180 I'm down 30 with low carb and the typical stuff that comes off after the baby, and would like to lose 30 more.(i'll take 20 even!) I'm a 4yr plus long time super active lurker (EVERY DAY!) on the Atkins boards, but have been following you all day by day. You all are so refreshing and motivating and as soon as I ween my son (I part time breast feed) I will be starting this. I read the manuscript twice already and am no stranger to HCG lol, I used to have to give myself shots during the fertility process.
I am VERY excited and hope you all don't mind that I stick around until I order my first round.
Sara

[HaleysNana]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Yes, you are absolutely right. I think I ate around 2500 calories per day without gaining.

The way I feel right now, I honestly don't know how I will ever be hungry enough again to consume that many calories...never thought I'd hear myself say that!

Originally Posted by sugarsugar1

Just introducing myself I lost 40 pounds when I was 23 using atkins, and maintaining for 4 yrs. But after crazy fertility drugs for two years and FINALLY (YAY!) having my beautiful baby boy 4 months ago. I ate completely healthy, but not low carb as per my drs orders and between the fertility drugs (20 pounds) and pregancy (30 pounds) I went up to 180 I'm down 30 with low carb and the typical stuff that comes off after the baby, and would like to lose 30 more.(i'll take 20 even!) I'm a 4yr plus long time super active lurker (EVERY DAY!) on the Atkins boards, but have been following you all day by day. You all are so refreshing and motivating and as soon as I ween my son (I part time breast feed) I will be starting this. I read the manuscript twice already and am no stranger to HCG lol, I used to have to give myself shots during the fertility process.
I am VERY excited and hope you all don't mind that I stick around until I order my first round.
Sara

Welcome....and congratulations on that baby!!!! They are adorable!!

[sugarsugar1]

Thanks, Pam!