Simeons HCG Protocol -- MARCH 2010

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

Yes, it's the POUNDS & INCHES by Dr. Simeons in pdf format. I also copied it to a doc format. I also got a copy of the diet with my drops and it's the same! Perhaps this IS the update and the OLD diet lacked oranges?

What is the date on it? Dr. Simeons lived I believe in the 1950's so I don't think he could have changed it. The copy that I have does not have oranges.

Dawn ~ what does yours say?

[Gracie514]

I also know that Kevin Trudeau's version allows oranges.

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

I agree with Dawn, how well did you load? I have never had any hunger using either the drops or spray. Are you activating the bottle before you put the drops under your tongue or spray? You have to hit the bottom of the bottle on your palm 10 times before using. Also, did you put the bottle near any kind of electronic/computer? The homeopathic works magnetically and sitting it near any electronics can ruin it. If you are still hungry in a day or two I would think the hhcg isn't working because you should not feel any hunger. Or, if you didn't load well it make take 3-5 days for the hunger to go away.

interesting about hitting the bottom! I haven't done that yet. Thanks

[Joyful111]

When I googled Pounds and Inches and followed the first link that came up this is what it said.

Breakfast:


Tea or coffee in any quantity without sugar. Only one tablespoonful of milk allowed in 24 hours. Saccharin or Stevia may be used.

Lunch:


1. 100 grams of veal, beef, chicken breast, fresh white fish, lobster, crab, or shrimp. All visible fat must be carefully removed before cooking, and the meat must be weighed raw. It must be boiled or grilled without additional fat. Salmon, eel, tuna, herring, dried or pickled fish are not allowed. The chicken breast must be removed from the bird.

2. One type of vegetable only to be chosen from the following: spinach, chard, chicory, beet-greens, green salad, tomatoes, celery, fennel, onions, red radishes, cucumbers, asparagus, cabbage.

3. One breadstick (grissino) or one Melba toast.

4. An apple, orange, or a handful of strawberries or one-half grapefruit.

Dinner :


The same four choices as lunch (above.)


Are we supposed to use a different "Pounds and Inches" I am just in the process of learning all of this as I wait for my drops and I want to do it correctly.

Thanks everyone.

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Okay, I see some things that are not protocol


5. oranges - not protocol

'an apple or an orange or a handful of strawberries or one-half grapefruit" is what I read in P&I?? I've been doing the orange every day

[HaleysNana]

Well at least I'm not crazy! LOL I have just been going by the guidelines that come with my HCG, but I'm definitely going to tweak by eliminating these things that aren't in the original just in case....although I still wonder if missing that does of HCG last night had anything to do with the low loss this morning. Just curious!

[JustKim]

I dloaded from a link grizzy gave me. Pounds and Inches by A.T.W. Simeons MD written with older grammar and not updated. And it does list an orange in the fruit list

[Gracie514]

I have the original protocol and it does not say oranges!!! It was obviously added in after the fact. Mine is "Pounds & Inches" A new approach to obesity by A.T.W. Simeons, M.D. I believe this has been discussed on here before and that oranges are not protocol. But, if it's working for you, by all means don't stop because I don't eat them!

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

I have the original protocol and it does not say oranges!!! It was obviously added in after the fact. Mine is "Pounds & Inches" A new approach to obesity by A.T.W. Simeons, M.D. I believe this has been discussed on here before and that oranges are not protocol. But, if it's working for you, by all means don't stop because I don't eat them!

may I have the copy you are using then?

That's the exact name of the one I have

[Gracie514]

Sorry, wrong link! Let me try to find it.

[kerbear879]

Hi everyone! I've been lurking around reading this thread and the one from february and january. I decided to try HCG after two months of unsuccesful dieting. I lost around 160 pounds several years ago and maintained that weight loss for a very long time until around June of last year when my doctor put me on some anti-anxiety medicine for some panic attacks I had been having. Then to my utter dismay, I gained 20 pounds even though I was still eating the same and exercising. She kept telling me not to worry and that it would come off. So I was counting calories, restricting my carbs, and I think I lost one pound in the last two months. So I decided that I would try HCG because I think it will help me get these 20 pounds off and maybe even get another 20 off so I can finally get to my goal weight. I decided to do the injections, more out of convenience than anything else. I have a rough schedule and I already know I would forget to take the drops so this was the easiest way for me. Anyways, everyone here has done terrific and I've learned a lot through reading these threads. I am not sure when I will start since I am still waiting for everything to arrive. But I am thinking in about a week and a half or so.

[heahyou00]

Good Morning Girls,
Well I gave in last night, my hunger was too much to handle and I felt literally sick, I was so light headed and had a migraine from hell. I ate cereal and a lunchable, so I gained 1 pd back of the 3 I had lost. My current dose is 125 IU, but I dont know if I need more or less or what. I am gonna see what happens today.

The list I have has Oranges on it as well, I did eat one yesterday, today I am gonna stick to apples. I think whoever mentioned eating your fruit with protein is a wise person because the protein slows the sugar reaction in your system from the fruit. Would probably help cravings for sure.


Anyway, I am striving to make today much better than yesterday.


Kelly

[Selahgal]

Originally Posted by Joyful111

When I googled Pounds and Inches and followed the first link that came up this is what it said.

Breakfast:


Tea or coffee in any quantity without sugar. Only one tablespoonful of milk allowed in 24 hours. Saccharin or Stevia may be used.

Lunch:


1. 100 grams of veal, beef, chicken breast, fresh white fish, lobster, crab, or shrimp. All visible fat must be carefully removed before cooking, and the meat must be weighed raw. It must be boiled or grilled without additional fat. Salmon, eel, tuna, herring, dried or pickled fish are not allowed. The chicken breast must be removed from the bird.

2. One type of vegetable only to be chosen from the following: spinach, chard, chicory, beet-greens, green salad, tomatoes, celery, fennel, onions, red radishes, cucumbers, asparagus, cabbage.

3. One breadstick (grissino) or one Melba toast.

4. An apple, orange, or a handful of strawberries or one-half grapefruit.

Dinner :


The same four choices as lunch (above.)


Are we supposed to use a different "Pounds and Inches" I am just in the process of learning all of this as I wait for my drops and I want to do it correctly.

Thanks everyone.

That's the exact diet protocol I have in mine. Plus I've been gathering recipes for P2 from all over the internet and many use oranges and orange juice.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by Selahgal

That's the exact diet protocol I have in mine. Plus I've been gathering recipes for P2 from all over the internet and many use oranges and orange juice.

Like I said, do what you feel is best. But, look at the earlier post about eating an orange and having cravings, maybe that's the reason? But, I stand by my statement that oranges are NOT in the original protocol by Dr. Simeons.

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Like I said, do what you feel is best. But, look at the earlier post about eating an orange and having cravings, maybe that's the reason? But, I stand by my statement that oranges are NOT in the original protocol by Dr. Simeons.

can I have a copy of yours to go by?

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by JustKim

can I have a copy of yours to go by?

Yes, but it won't upload when I try??? Maybe this link will work.

www.hcgprotocol.com/pandi.pdf

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Yes, but it won't upload when I try??? Maybe this link will work.

www.hcgprotocol.com/pandi.pdf

interesting - I did a word by word comparison and the only difference is that the pandi version does not have an orange listed in the allowed fruits, yet it does mention having an orange in the text and talks about how having "an extra orange" may equate to a weight gain.

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by JustKim

interesting - I did a word by word comparison and the only difference is that the pandi version does not have an orange listed in the allowed fruits, yet it does mention having an orange in the text and talks about how having "an extra orange" may equate to a weight gain.

I don't really know much about eating them during protocol because I haven't. I'm thinking maybe they have more sugar and cause an insulin spike or something? I just really honestly don't know. But, I figure for 23 days I'm not taking a chance over an orange. I stick mostly to apples and frozen strawberries with an occasional grapefruit.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Phase 3 is no sugar and no starches for 3 weeks. It's not low-carb. This is also in "P&I". You can have your fruits (no bananas), veggies, meats, sugar-free chocolate, sugar-free whatever. Cream cheese muffins are awesome as well as pumpkin bake w/splenda. You just can't have starches or sugar. Then Phase 4 you start adding things back in slowly. Like maybe add a banana in and see how your body reacts.

Gracie what you are describing is low carb no sugars no starches

my desktop won't open PDFs from the internet since that stupid virus last month and i could only find a print copy on the web and it did not list an orange but by hockey i have read and re read that manuscript and i could swear there was an orange listed! IDk but i am trying to find the pdf on my computer opens them just fine on the computer just won't open them on the net anymore ugh

ok looked in my P&I that i had printed out(not from my seller from research back in sept-oct) and it does list an orange!! ugh this is the original 50s language and everything so i wonder why that other site that says it has P&I(but it is a plain print not a PDF) not list one??? sorry for the confusion everyone but i am confused too!

ya know what?? those of us who have oranges listed go ahead and those of us who don't don't! if it stalls ya leave it out that's the only thing i can come up with sorry i couldn't be more help

[dawnyama]

After much discussion about the orange....I believe it IS allowed on porotocl. I don't see where it may have been added in later, but it is an allowed fruit. HOWEVER, as with everything on protocol, if you cannot handle it (you see gains, cravings, stalls) while eating them, then you should cut them out. I never did have an orange on any of my rounds either. Just my preference! I much preferred strawberries, apples and grapefruit. I have seen many stall and have cravings while including them so I stayed away! 23 days is not that long!! Also, you must keep a food log so you can determine which foods give you those gains, stalls and cravings. Be your own food detective!

[HaleysNana]

Originally Posted by kerbear879

Hi everyone! I've been lurking around reading this thread and the one from february and january. I decided to try HCG after two months of unsuccesful dieting. I lost around 160 pounds several years ago and maintained that weight loss for a very long time until around June of last year when my doctor put me on some anti-anxiety medicine for some panic attacks I had been having. Then to my utter dismay, I gained 20 pounds even though I was still eating the same and exercising. She kept telling me not to worry and that it would come off. So I was counting calories, restricting my carbs, and I think I lost one pound in the last two months. So I decided that I would try HCG because I think it will help me get these 20 pounds off and maybe even get another 20 off so I can finally get to my goal weight. I decided to do the injections, more out of convenience than anything else. I have a rough schedule and I already know I would forget to take the drops so this was the easiest way for me. Anyways, everyone here has done terrific and I've learned a lot through reading these threads. I am not sure when I will start since I am still waiting for everything to arrive. But I am thinking in about a week and a half or so.

Hiya!!!

Originally Posted by heahyou00

Good Morning Girls,
Well I gave in last night, my hunger was too much to handle and I felt literally sick, I was so light headed and had a migraine from hell. I ate cereal and a lunchable, so I gained 1 pd back of the 3 I had lost. My current dose is 125 IU, but I dont know if I need more or less or what. I am gonna see what happens today.

The list I have has Oranges on it as well, I did eat one yesterday, today I am gonna stick to apples. I think whoever mentioned eating your fruit with protein is a wise person because the protein slows the sugar reaction in your system from the fruit. Would probably help cravings for sure.


Anyway, I am striving to make today much better than yesterday.


Kelly

You can do it!!!

Originally Posted by Gracie514

Like I said, do what you feel is best. But, look at the earlier post about eating an orange and having cravings, maybe that's the reason? But, I stand by my statement that oranges are NOT in the original protocol by Dr. Simeons.

I think my post was what started all of this! LOL I'm not having cravings at all...just had a very low weight loss day so I was curious if it was because I forgot to take the drops last night or from something I had eaten yesterday. I've been having an orange almost every day since starting (granted that's only been 5 days of VLC) but I've lost nearly a lb every day until yesterday.

Originally Posted by Gracie514

I don't really know much about eating them during protocol because I haven't. I'm thinking maybe they have more sugar and cause an insulin spike or something? I just really honestly don't know. But, I figure for 23 days I'm not taking a chance over an orange. I stick mostly to apples and frozen strawberries with an occasional grapefruit.

Like I said before, I don't have a problem at all not eating them if it means I'll see more consistent weight loss.

[HaleysNana]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

After much discussion about the orange....I believe it IS allowed on porotocl. I don't see where it may have been added in later, but it is an allowed fruit. HOWEVER, as with everything on protocol, if you cannot handle it (you see gains, cravings, stalls) while eating them, then you should cut them out. I never did have an orange on any of my rounds either. Just my preference! I much preferred strawberries, apples and grapefruit. I have seen many stall and have cravings while including them so I stayed away! 23 days is not that long!! Also, you must keep a food log so you can determine which foods give you those gains, stalls and cravings. Be your own food detective!

Exactly my thoughts! I'm going to leave off the orange, brocolli and green beans...just in case!!

[debkeversole]

one print version same language i have on the pdf

An apple or an orange or a handful of strawberries or one-half grapefruit.

and this is on the first link i clicked

An apple or a handful of strawberries or one-half grapefruit.

maybe when they were transcribing it they just missed a little cause everything else(on a quick scan) seems to be the same

[Gracie514]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

Gracie what you are describing is low carb no sugars no starches

my desktop won't open PDFs from the internet since that stupid virus last month and i could only find a print copy on the web and it did not list an orange but by hockey i have read and re read that manuscript and i could swear there was an orange listed! IDk but i am trying to find the pdf on my computer opens them just fine on the computer just won't open them on the net anymore ugh

ok looked in my P&I that i had printed out(not from my seller from research back in sept-oct) and it does list an orange!! ugh this is the original 50s language and everything so i wonder why that other site that says it has P&I(but it is a plain print not a PDF) not list one??? sorry for the confusion everyone but i am confused too!

ya know what?? those of us who have oranges listed go ahead and those of us who don't don't! if it stalls ya leave it out that's the only thing i can come up with sorry i couldn't be more help

Deb ~ I guess it could be called low-carb but I guess the version of low-carb that I'm used to is not the same. For example, I can have tomatoes (4-7 carbs/medium), artichoke hearts (7 carbs/medium), P2 fruits, etc. When I did low-carb I tried to keep it less than 40 per day which I'm way over in P3. Plus, in P3 I eat TONS of veggies which really isn't low-carb - broccolli has 8 grams of carbs per 1 cup and I eat that plus lots of other veggies. I just don't eat the starchy kinds of fruits of veggies. i'm thinking my carbs on any given day in P3 are way over 100 grams.

[debkeversole]

Originally Posted by heahyou00

Good Morning Girls,
Well I gave in last night, my hunger was too much to handle and I felt literally sick, I was so light headed and had a migraine from hell. I ate cereal and a lunchable, so I gained 1 pd back of the 3 I had lost. My current dose is 125 IU, but I dont know if I need more or less or what. I am gonna see what happens today.

The list I have has Oranges on it as well, I did eat one yesterday, today I am gonna stick to apples. I think whoever mentioned eating your fruit with protein is a wise person because the protein slows the sugar reaction in your system from the fruit. Would probably help cravings for sure.


Anyway, I am striving to make today much better than yesterday.


Kelly

i asked a friend of mine and she had a couple of words of advice
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xcess hunger if they are on injections is probably too high a dose. If they loaded properly and had a good high fat load and took the shots during the load then I would find out what dose they are on and how they mixed. They should be at 125 iu max. Also make sure it is not "emotional" hunger, that they are drinking water and taking potassium.

Shaky and lightheaded says to me she needs potassium. Is she taking a multi vitamin? Tell her to try 99 mg of potassium three times a day and see if that helps. And drink that water!

HTH i know i could NOT do this while hungry! Dawn is a much tougher lady than me!!
hope it passes soon

[heahyou00]

Thanks Deb, Yeah I was thinking along the line of vitamins too because currently I am not taking any multi vitamin at all. I am going to head over on my lunch break and pick some up and see if that helps, although today seems to be going better, so maybe just the first day of VCLD was the hardest. I know I am drinking enough fluid cause I have been keeping track, I am spending half my day in the bathroom lol, I told my boss I mine as well move my computer into there lol. I am doing good so far today, its almost my lunch time.



Kelly

[HaleysNana]

Has anyone been successful eating cabbage? I thought I read somewhere that it stalls some people....I'm trying to get my veggies clean and sure don't want to risk it if that's true.

[obraxton]

Originally Posted by Nicolope

So...looking ahead...

What type of eating plan, lifestyle, does everyone plan to adopt and maintain by, say, sixth months after you're finished with HCG and have maintained your goal?

I know that everything is supposed to be "reset" like sensitivities, metabolism, etc. But, what do you think about that? Or, what have you seen in others who have been finished for a while?

Thx!

I'll stay true to my Atkins b/c it works for me. P3 is going to be Atkins 72. I'm going to omit the frut (except strawberries and lower carb fruits). Other than the fruit, there really isn't much difference between no sugars/starches and low carb IMO. But being on a specific plan keeps me from wavering. I am LC for life.

I don't eat apples anymore or the toast. (My supplement suggested taking out one of these if I gained and knowing my body the way I do, I figured why not) I only eat strawberries. When I made that change, my weight went back into its downward spiral. Not to suggest by any means, especially with the limited foods we already have, but I said I'm not going to waste my money and lose another week of no weight loss when I knew what my body does with any type of bread. (I get a dermatitis reaction on my face as well eating bread daily????, and it was coming back). But I've went thru a lot in 2009 to cause my weight gain and refusal to budge, and need extra enforcement. I don't think that's necessary for everyone else.

Pam, I bought a cabbage and plan on eating it Sunday (I think). I'm a true Myrtle Beach area G.R.I.T. (Girl Raised In The South), and it's going to be very difficult for me trying to figure out making cabbage without fat back or corned beef (LOL), so I'm a little timid about making it.

About fruit...non Simeon's advice here.
My weight doctor has drops also that are non-hcg (his own concotion) but one thing he is adamant about is what we eat and how much. He's from Israel and really doesn't like the portions we tend to eat, even of the healthier things. He often tells me things like brocolli, cabbage, are very very good, but less than a cup should be eaten at a time. Celery, lettuce, and cucumbers are things to enjoy bountifully. He says in his research the culprit is the way we overeat the higher carb/sugar fruit. Grapes, bananas, etc, he says should be very small quantities. Dried fruit is pure sugar. He's big on small apples, strawberries, grapefruit, watermelon (to my surprise). I need to listent to him more b/c I lost a lot of weight when i did lol. He gave me huge breakdown of fruits/portion sizes with carb and cal count that will help me once I make goal.

[HaleysNana]

I am right there with you!! I love cabbage and don't know how its going to taste just steamed with pepper and some kind of legal salty seasoning, but I'm sure hoping it works!

You mentioned cutting out the bread helped...are you talking about the melba toast? What are you typically eating every day now? You seem to be successful at it too so I'm just curious what's working for everyone. Sorry if that's too nosey!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by HaleysNana

Has anyone been successful eating cabbage? I thought I read somewhere that it stalls some people....I'm trying to get my veggies clean and sure don't want to risk it if that's true.

I loved cabbage and had NO issues with it whatsoever! I also enjoyed tomatoes!! You have to try these foods and see how YOUR body reacts. Everyone is different and we don't know how YOU will react. That is why we say YMMV around here all the time!!!