Simeons Protocol (HCG) January 2010

[Meme1211]

Originally Posted by Kiley2801

Hello hcg friends,

After a brief stint with hcg last year (derailed due to stress/life-- yada yada) I am diving into the world of hcg again. I am REALLY amped this time, and know I'm going to succeed.

But I have a question for you experts. I purchased some homeopathic hcg drops shortly before Christmas. Unfortunately I was out of town when it arrived, and so it sat outside in my mailbox for approximately 7 or 8 days. I am in Northern Virginia and the temps have been below freezing much of that time.

I have read that hhcg can tolerate freezing, but just not heat. But in your alls opinion, do you think this batch of hhcg still usable/effective, or should I scrapt it and purchase another bottle?

Thanks soooo much in advance!

-LA

LA. Here's to a better round this time. I see in the post below that Dizzy answered your question regarding your HHCG. So that means go forth and use it. Let your loading begin!!!

[Meme1211]

Originally Posted by Kiley2801

Hello hcg friends,

After a brief stint with hcg last year (derailed due to stress/life-- yada yada) I am diving into the world of hcg again. I am REALLY amped this time, and know I'm going to succeed.

But I have a question for you experts. I purchased some homeopathic hcg drops shortly before Christmas. Unfortunately I was out of town when it arrived, and so it sat outside in my mailbox for approximately 7 or 8 days. I am in Northern Virginia and the temps have been below freezing much of that time.

I have read that hhcg can tolerate freezing, but just not heat. But in your alls opinion, do you think this batch of hhcg still usable/effective, or should I scrapt it and purchase another bottle?

Thanks soooo much in advance!

-LA

BTW, what part of Northern Virginia do you live? I used to live in Sterling, VA and then Herndon, VA (a combination of 14 years).

[Dizzybell]

Originally Posted by isurrender

they arent kidding about dont dare load with hcg in your system!

You know that you DO load with HCG in your system, right? You begin HCG and loading on the same day, load for 2 days and then go to VLCD.

[Meme1211]

Originally Posted by gilbabe75

Thank you Chelangel. I'm still a little confused though. I read pounds and inches but its not really sinking in. I have not been to the WL Center yet because I don't have the money. What is it they do differently than the way it was intended by Dr. Simmeon? I notice he was giving daily injections. Are most of you doing the nasal or sublingual? I appreciate everyone's insight as I'm not finding as much information online as I had hoped.

I have done the sublingual spray for all of my rounds. I really love having to only do 3 or 2 sprays twice a day and not have to count drops or stick myself with needles. I keep it in my nightstand drawer and use in the AM before getting out of bed and around 6:00 each evening. It has given me the results I was looking for.

[Meri_Meri]

Originally Posted by gilbabe75

I'm really curious as to the differences in forms and what a WL center vs. just getting the homeopathic and following the eating plan is. I'm trying to do Atkins induction today since I have no way to buy the hCG and it sucks LOL I'm not used to eating this much. I know there has to be some high cal days on Simeons and I'm not sure about that either.

gilbabe,

I'm going to a clinic and using injections. It is very convenient that they have all of the injections ready for you mixed and loaded into syringes and you just keep them in your fridge and give them to yourself. I'm just a newbie at this, this is my 14th day at vlcd, the good news is that I've released 14 pounds (and a lot of money ) but I've had some pretty uncomfortable hunger issues.
This clinic says that they use Pounds and Inches and Kevin Tredeau's version, but the diet allowed, even though it is based on 500 calories per day, calls for many more choices than Dr. Simeon. It allows for most vegetables and fruits that are not starchy and they use the glycemic index. They call for 2 veggies for lunch and 2 for supper but no melba toast or grissini . Dr. Simeon said not to mix veggies, and judging by my hunger, I agree. I'm usually a fairly low carber, and I think that mixing these carbs is contributing to my hunger and keeping me out of ketosis which is a natural appetite suppressant. This is a very long journey for me as I have 7 more weeks to go on this round. This clinic uses a respected local doctor and I usually stay on the more conservative side (I even had my ears pierced at a doctor's office), but after doing more research, I think that I may use the homopathic hcg for my next round since it is so much cheaper and so many here are having success with it. Good luck with whatever you choose. This board is a wealth of information from experienced HCGers and they are all very willing to help.

[Meme1211]

Originally Posted by KMM

Hi Guys and Happy New Year!

I'm back at home.. got back NYE actually (well, at 11:30 pm on NYE because my stupid flight out of Miami was late) and have been ignoring most forms of communication.

My trip to PR was good.. I enjoyed my friends and family and really didn't worry TOO much about what I ate.

Came back and have been eating kind of whatever I want and per my signature line, I'm 1 pound over LDW but not really doing a correction day.. because I just don't feel like it.

I've been testing my limits, sort of and on NYD, S and I tore into a Brie en croute, made a pork loin roast or something.. had mac and cheese, creamed spinach, ice cream, bread, croissants.. it was a pretty decadent day... and I was only up .6 the next day. So it feels good to eat "bad things" and not be terrified. I go back to work on Monday, so starting tomrrow, I'll work on getting back into range.

OH and my fitbit arrived. It's AWESOME.
I HIGHLY recommend it to anyone who is interested in tracking their calories burned, sleep patterns, steps taken, etc.

I guess it's time I venture out? Or at least think about it. I haven't been home since getting back to LA and I GUESS I should buy groceries and stuff. I hate getting back to real life.

Hope everyone had a wonderful New Years! xo

back home Keila. Glad you enjoyed your vacation and seeing family and friends. Also glad you and S enjoyed your decadent NYD fest.

[KD4181]

this 2nd round has been awful for me. Just cant get it right. I've cheated nearly every day. Since 12/21 I've lost only 3 lbs. I think I forgot to take drops on my load days. duh.l should I stop and start again or just get back on the track tomorrow morning - I'm back at work,too, which is eaiser. what do you think?

[Meme1211]

Originally Posted by traceym1

Hi everyone,
I survived my first day of low calories. I lost 5.4 pounds this morning. Yes, I was hungry but I also tend to wait forever to eat. And I figure after eating lots your stomach is in shock with only few calories, so I figure I will adjust. I am curious, why is mineral oil allowed. Thank goodness because I relyed on my baby lotion for my hands at work last night but just curious.

tracey

Wooo Hooo Tracey!!! Awesome job on losing 5.4 pounds after your first VLCD. That is some great incentive.

[Meme1211]

Originally Posted by katypillar

Sharon,

I've been on more diets than I can count, and though they have been successful at getting the weight off, keeping it off has been more of a struggle; I've never "gained it all back" but it always creeps up until i am 5-10 lbs over my low weight. I get embarrassed at my "failure" and usually slink away, never to be seen again.

You have been a great example of "dusting off and climbing back on the horse", and I thank you for being so open and honest about your situation. It helps me know that I can depend on the group for support even when I screw up.

kate

Ahhhh thankes Kate. Believe me, at times I wanted to slink away and not fess up to my failure, but I want to be held accountable so I'm toughing it out and taking my bumps and bruises that come with spilling my guts to my HCG family.

[Dizzybell]

Originally Posted by KD4181

this 2nd round has been awful for me. Just cant get it right. I've cheated nearly every day. Since 12/21 I've lost only 3 lbs. I think I forgot to take drops on my load days. duh.l should I stop and start again or just get back on the track tomorrow morning - I'm back at work,too, which is eaiser. what do you think?

Personally, I'd completely start over. Do 2 proper load days and then start VLCD. Now that the holidays are over and you'll be back to work it will be much easier. Good luck!

[suzypepper]

You must begin taking the hcg on the first day of loading....2nd day of loading also! All that extra fat in your body will flush out by day 4 usually but are needed until the hcg gets into your system so that you are not MISERABLE.

A 23 day round could get really long if you are hungry everyday. I loaded very well and gained 4.6 lbs. in the first two day. By day 4 I had lost the weight and have not experienced any hunger. The Protocol really works! But it must be done the right way.....(:

[Chelangal]

Originally Posted by katypillar

Sharon,

I've been on more diets than I can count, and though they have been successful at getting the weight off, keeping it off has been more of a struggle; I've never "gained it all back" but it always creeps up until i am 5-10 lbs over my low weight. I get embarrassed at my "failure" and usually slink away, never to be seen again.

You have been a great example of "dusting off and climbing back on the horse", and I thank you for being so open and honest about your situation. It helps me know that I can depend on the group for support even when I screw up.

kate

Trust me Kate...ain't nobody here that can walk on water...there is no permanent failure..temporary setback, yea I'll accept that...but we can course correct at any given time. Screw ups are doubly loved.

[Chelangal]

Originally Posted by isurrender

i have never heard of a woman losing 46 lbs on one round! i lost 26 my first round and was slightly disappointed... i am on round 2 this time and seeking inspiration, as it has been hard to get started again. i maintained a long time (for me) but during holidays just went wild and gained 10 lbs. i long to reach 130 or even 140 from 176... is that possible in one round?!?!?!?!? now you have my attention! i am on day 2 and expected to lose like 5 lbs already but have not...

i am tempted to use hcg and just do protein powder with no apples or breadsticks that tempt me... and i am kind of kicking myself for stopping when i was on a roll... this doing it in series seems counterproductive to me... im mad that i lost 26, gained 10, so at the end of a WHOLE series im only down 15 net and that's if i do it as well as last time which i hear is unlikely... thanks for listening...

The only advise I give is do it 100% Dr. Simeon's Pounds & Inches way...and you will have success...no one can predict exactly how much you or they will lose. Women average 1/2 lb...so 20 lbs. for a 40 day round is average..So what plan are you following? Protein powder with HCG is not approved. OK..so you have kicked yourself...now you can stop, get a solid plan and "attack it". Wow down 15# net is wonderful...don't know of any other way to get it off faster. Lovingly observe yourself, step out of denial, tell yourself the truth...and then do what works for you.

[Chelangal]

Originally Posted by gilbabe75

If someone would be so inclined.... could you give me an idea of what a "round" consists of when it comes to how often you take the hCG and what type of calorie counts/foods you are eating? Just to get an overview. Reading pounds and inches was a bit confusing.

Drops I did 3 times a day (6 a.m noon 6 pm) spray 2 times a day (6 am bedtime)
Calorie count is not important as long as you are following Simeon's protocol. for me I have nothing other than coffee with stevia, tea, water until about noon..then I have 100 gr protein (veal, fish, chicken breast) a vegetable in the quantity recommended, 1 grissini stick and apple (sometimes I save for later if not hungry). Dinner same except choose a different protein, vegetable, fruit. All from Dr. Simeon's list. I do not do oranges or tomatoes as my body doesn't like them and I will stall or even register a slight gain. Throughout the day if head hunger takes over I will do Bengal Spice tea, water, water and more water. Altho, my experience has been on all three rounds I have experienced very little true hunger...lots of time I wanted to EAT...but discovered just head hunger. Hope this helps.

[krissakris]

You're not allowed to have the same two types of protein in the same day? I was planning on eating chicken for 23 days lol b/c I don't eat beef, and fish is touch and go for me...please say i read that wrong, lol.

[Grizzy]

Originally Posted by gilbabe75

I'm really curious as to the differences in forms and what a WL center vs. just getting the homeopathic and following the eating plan is. I'm trying to do Atkins induction today since I have no way to buy the hCG and it sucks LOL I'm not used to eating this much. I know there has to be some high cal days on Simeons and I'm not sure about that either.

Google Pounds and Inches and download and print off a copy if you haven't already. Read it from cover to cover a few times. It has the whole diet and the reasons for most of it and is all you need to get started.

[Grizzy]

Originally Posted by isurrender

i am tempted to use hcg and just do protein powder with no apples or breadsticks that tempt me... and i am kind of kicking myself for stopping when i was on a roll... this doing it in series seems counterproductive to me... im mad that i lost 26, gained 10, so at the end of a WHOLE series im only down 15 net and that's if i do it as well as last time which i hear is unlikely... thanks for listening...

Please don't do that. You may or may not lose more and/or faster but you will have trouble in P3 and P4 trying to stabilize and add carbs back in. Dr Simeons put all the foods in for a specific reason and he was very clear about that in his protocol. If you want to keep the lbs off after you stop the low calorie part then follow the diet as written. I cannot stress this enough. It is heartbreaking to go through the weeks of low calorie eating if you are going to gain it all back as soon as you add in natural carbs like fruit.

Originally Posted by mlilly11

Be careful cutting out too many apples or breadsticks. Some have had trouble stabilizing in P3 when they haven't had the carbs. You WILL have success on this diet, however much it is.

Originally Posted by Dizzybell

Sorry, there are no short cuts. Don't mess with protocol...it was written as is for a reason. If you cut out fruit and breadsticks you may become carb sensitive which will really make P3 and P4 difficult.

[Aggie95]

Well...time to quit "window shopping". My name is Jennifer, I am a SAHM in the San Antonio area with 4 kids (DD 13, DS 5 in Feb and boy/girl twins two years old) and DH in the Air Force. I actually joined in August, halfway through my first round with injections and loved all of the guidance I got from all of you for P2-P4. I got cocky a bit over the Holidays and will start round 2 to shed a bit of FAT. Here's where I need help: I just received the MFC spray and would like to hear from Sharon, Lindy, etc who have used the spray. The literature states to NOT spray for load days. This is against the usual rules..what did y'all do? Also, no coffee, mint? Do I need to "activate" before spraying? For a short round, exactly how many VLC days are there? Finally, at the end of the round, we do 48 hrs. of no spray AND VLC? I guess I am mostly confused about the number of days I must spray to consider it a complete half round.

Thanks in advance to anyone who replies/has advice. I do not have too many chances in the day to post but I absolutely love reading about all of your experiences. hCG is awesome!!

Jennifer

[Kiley2801]

BTW, what part of Northern Virginia do you live? I used to live in Sterling, VA and then Herndon, VA (a combination of 14 years).

Hi Sharon,

Thanks for the good vibes! Your stats are really impressive.

I live in Arlington, Virginia, right off of 395. I have quite a few friends who live out in Sterling and go out that way often.

[Brown]

Originally Posted by gilbabe75

Hi Brown,

Are you going to a center? I was looking at a trim you center but they don't post much online about it.

No ma'am. I do mine at home.

Originally Posted by KMM

Yes. I have literally not done anything today. It's priceless to know that the tracker says I've burned 888 calories since midnight. Of course, I know this can't be 100% accurate but to just have a trustworthy ballpark is incredible to me.

Wow... ok so... how does it work? You put in your height/weight/some other info, and it figures out how many calories you've burned by just going about your normal day? Is that including your BMR, or on top of your BMR?

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My break is over. Tomorrow, I'm back on hCG for another 19 VLCDs. I did well today until I got home and my boyfriend wanted to take me out to dinner (he's usually broke), so I went. And THAT started out good with low-carb wings at B-dub's. But then, I had a couple fried mushrooms. And then a brownie. :-/ Could've been worse, I suppose, since I ate low carb the rest of the day. Ah well...

I also busted out my old scale, which is in .5 increments. I think it's a lot cleaner/neater looking to document in .5s rather than .2s. .2s are more precise, but it's so little and messy looking. So.. i'll probably weigh on both and figure out which one I want to go by.

[Bob1956]

Good morning All. Today is VLCD 10 of R3, and my weight is 193, a 1 lb. loss from yesterday. I've been 100% INTENTIONAL, thats probably why I have been pretty steady losing weight. I believe that being INTENTIONAL is key to the success of this program. Everyone have a great day, and keep losing Pounds and Inches.

[donia]

I'm about to have my first dose of sublingual HCG! Loading today and tomorrow. I'm nervous!

[Dizzybell]

Originally Posted by krissakris

You're not allowed to have the same two types of protein in the same day? I was planning on eating chicken for 23 days lol b/c I don't eat beef, and fish is touch and go for me...please say i read that wrong, lol.

Nope, you read it right. Sorry!

Originally Posted by Bob1956

Good morning All. Today is VLCD 10 of R3, and my weight is 193, a 1 lb. loss from yesterday. I've been 100% INTENTIONAL, thats probably why I have been pretty steady losing weight. I believe that being INTENTIONAL is key to the success of this program. Everyone have a great day, and keep losing Pounds and Inches.

Awesome Bob, and a great inspiration for all the newbies!

VLCD Day 4 for me. I let go of another 4.2 pounds for a 3 day total of 14.4 pounds! I'm now 4.6 lbs below my LDW. I'm looking forward to the day I get below the lowest weight I was during R1, which is 2.8 pounds away....after that it will be all virgin territory. Last round I always lost well right after my period, so I hope to continue big losses for the next 3-4 days. Have a wonderful Monday!! I loved the holidays and I'm glad they're OVER!!!

[Dizzybell]

Originally Posted by donia

I'm about to have my first dose of sublingual HCG! Loading today and tomorrow. I'm nervous!

Are you sure that feeling isn't excitement? Go for it, girl....you're going to blow your own mind in a few days!

[Chelangal]

Originally Posted by krissakris

You're not allowed to have the same two types of protein in the same day? I was planning on eating chicken for 23 days lol b/c I don't eat beef, and fish is touch and go for me...please say i read that wrong, lol.

NO you did not read it wrong. My first two rounds I used veal, chicken & fish. I do not like American beef because, for me, even the leanest is to fatty, so I switched to veal. I do not like fish. So this round I am using only veal and chicken..Now I am early into the round, but I notice I have lost slightly less (1#) than at the same time on the other 2 rounds. Better report on this after a few more days into round. This is the only thing I have changed on this round. I learned on the first round that no oranges, tomatoes or P2 Chili for this body. One of the things I encourage "new" HCGers to do is keep super accurate records and then note those foods that your body reacts to (good and bad)...for example I eat 1 apple everyday and this time of year 1/2 grapefruit...I do much better on fresh strawberries, not available this time of year in my area. Hope this helps. You will need a super detector hat or coding ring to maximize your adventure into the land of HCG and great, great losses and the ability to learn to retrain your metabolism so you can stabilize and maintain at the new lower numbers.

[donia]

Originally Posted by Dizzybell

Are you sure that feeling isn't excitement? Go for it, girl....you're going to blow your own mind in a few days!

I can't wait! Honestly, I'm just nervous and hoping that it really works!

[Chelangal]

Originally Posted by Aggie95

Well...time to quit "window shopping". My name is Jennifer, I am a SAHM in the San Antonio area with 4 kids (DD 13, DS 5 in Feb and boy/girl twins two years old) and DH in the Air Force. I actually joined in August, halfway through my first round with injections and loved all of the guidance I got from all of you for P2-P4. I got cocky a bit over the Holidays and will start round 2 to shed a bit of FAT. Here's where I need help: I just received the MFC spray and would like to hear from Sharon, Lindy, etc who have used the spray. The literature states to NOT spray for load days. This is against the usual rules..what did y'all do? Also, no coffee, mint? Do I need to "activate" before spraying? For a short round, exactly how many VLC days are there? Finally, at the end of the round, we do 48 hrs. of no spray AND VLC? I guess I am mostly confused about the number of days I must spray to consider it a complete half round.

Thanks in advance to anyone who replies/has advice. I do not have too many chances in the day to post but I absolutely love reading about all of your experiences. hCG is awesome!!

Jennifer

Jennifer: I can share my decisions on spray. I put Dr. Simeon's Pounds & Inches as the HCG bible...BUT I will not do shots (personal thing-FEAR of needles). Yes, I used spray on load days. (3 friends also use spray and sprayed on load days). Yes, activate before spraying. I refused to give up my coffee (allowed on P & I)..when I asked Rob he said because of the oil in coffee and we are to have no oils while on weight loss (P2) part. Now I did give up my essential oils and body lotions for that reason. But so far no issue, for me, on my daily americano. I have only done 40 day rounds. Did do a planned interruption on last round-worked well.

[Chelangal]

Originally Posted by Bob1956

Good morning All. Today is VLCD 10 of R3, and my weight is 193, a 1 lb. loss from yesterday. I've been 100% INTENTIONAL, thats probably why I have been pretty steady losing weight. I believe that being INTENTIONAL is key to the success of this program. Everyone have a great day, and keep losing Pounds and Inches.

Awesome, awesome, [B]TOTALLY AWESOME [B] Bob. Way to rock protocol. ABSOLUTELY being 100% INTENTIONAL is the only way to get results. Now I have to admit I am totally envious of your results...ok, ok, just because guys lose faster than women - and nobody said life was fair - I can still "wish"...you know the old wish in one hand story!!!!! Again Bob..awesome. How is DH doing? Sounds like you are thriving on protocol through her load days....

[Chelangal]

Originally Posted by donia

I'm about to have my first dose of sublingual HCG! Loading today and tomorrow. I'm nervous!

Commit to following P & I 100% and great results guaranteed. You are in the driver's seat and YOU CAN DO THIS....

[Aggie95]

Originally Posted by Chelangal

Jennifer: I can share my decisions on spray. I put Dr. Simeon's Pounds & Inches as the HCG bible...BUT I will not do shots (personal thing-FEAR of needles). Yes, I used spray on load days. (3 friends also use spray and sprayed on load days). Yes, activate before spraying. I refused to give up my coffee (allowed on P & I)..when I asked Rob he said because of the oil in coffee and we are to have no oils while on weight loss (P2) part. Now I did give up my essential oils and body lotions for that reason. But so far no issue, for me, on my daily americano. I have only done 40 day rounds. Did do a planned interruption on last round-worked well.

Good Monday morning all!
Thanks for the welcome and info on spray! I feel like I already know all of you here--it feels nice to finally speak up
I am very stoked to get started, some time this week is my plan. I kind of thought that the no-no to coffee might be questionable, but I don't want to mess anything up.
Anything else about the spray? It seems pretty straightforward/easy, but I am one who will screw up the easiest things imaginable. Seriously.