Phase 3 information for HCG diet - Page 7

halebop · 02-21-2011, 07:26 PM

Also, is the 1 melba toast or grisini from phase 2 not allowed in phase 3?

Thanks!

catjrow3 · 02-21-2011, 08:16 PM

Nope, neither. No starches or sugars in P3...

WildflowerMama · 02-21-2011, 08:41 PM

Thank you for this!!! I didn't stabilize in P3 so well last time so, I'm on what I plan to be my very last round. I must stabilize this time! I will do whatever it takes and I so appreciate all the info on this thread!

dawnyama · 02-22-2011, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mermaid

What kind of shakes do you do?

I use whey protein powder that I buy at the Wal-Mart. I buy the one that has the least carbs. I use Calorie Countdown chocolate milk and add the protein and 2 eggs and any flavoring I fancy at the time.

dawnyama · 02-22-2011, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halebop

I have some time until I reach P3 but I'm already wondering...is ketchup allowed? It has quite a bit of sugar so I'm thinking no, but not sure.

Thanks!

I don't use ketchup in P3. But I am thinking there are some that are reduced carb/reduced sugar. You would need to look at labels and portion sizes. You can also make your own--that way you know exactly what is in it. Just google recipe for homemade low carb ketchup. I have kind of given up ketchup when I started to low carb because way back then there was nothing available in the stores. I am so used to mayo and mustard and other condiments. I don't miss ketchup!!!

halebop · 02-24-2011, 11:01 AM

I know Dr. Simeons mentions that "over-enthusiasm" is a problem and it's a mistake to just make minor variations to the VLCD from phase 2 (like replacing meat with egg etc)

I see how that wouldn't be good at all and that the advice to eat freely except starces and sugars exists for a reason. But I know I'd feel better with some idea of calories. Do most people really play it by ear or set out with a plan to maybe have 1000 calories for a day or two at the start of phase 3, then 1200, then 1500?

Any thoughts on calorie intake in phase 3? Do you really just stick to the list of foods, eat until your comfortable and then adjust if your scale weight goes up 2.1 pounds or more and not worry about whether you had 1200 or 2000 calories?

kj2010 · 02-24-2011, 02:16 PM

Okay, seriously...those garlic/parm wings sound so good. I would eat those anytime!

So, I'm trying to start researching some recipes, etc. now to get prepared for P3 next week. I see all these different things like Almond flour, etc that can be used to make bread type products. Are these allowed in p3?? Some recipes call for Carbquick too. What about that? I'm assuming that's like Bisquick or something.
Obviously, I would probably hold off on that stuff until week 2 of P3 anyway, but I'm still curious what others do.

catjrow3 · 02-24-2011, 03:01 PM

kari, and those garlic/parm drumsticks did a great correction day!

I would be very careful with the almond flour, I think thats what led to my correction day. I am a carb addict and made stuff with it, and went up. i am not sure about carbquick, but if its got carbs probably not... good luck in P3..

Lbibclc · 02-24-2011, 04:02 PM

I have a question about the shake day. If I use egg protein, since I am allergic to cows milk, do I add the eggs or just more protein powder? I use jay robbs plain egg protein which is just egg and lecithin.

lovely_star · 02-26-2011, 03:54 PM

Just need to clarify P3 is the continuation of the diet without the hHCG drops still restricting starches and sugars...so that means no rice, beans, lentils, salad dressings, oils still

What about dairy, nuts, cereals?

WildflowerMama · 02-26-2011, 03:58 PM

Lovely star - no! You can eat anything BUT starches and sugars. So, you absolutely want to increase your protein and start adding in fats. But, no beans, rice, potatoes, pasta, bread etc.... no starches or sugar but, definitely do add fat back into your diet.

Start out your first few days of P3 by increasing your protein and adding in fat - cook your eggs in butter, eat fattier cuts of meat, eat salad dressing but, make sure it doesn't contain sugar or starches etc.... then over time, slowly add in full fat dairy - yogurt, heavy cream etc...

For a lot of people, cheese and nuts can be trigger foods so, I've found it's advised to add these in slowly and only one at a time so you can see how your body reacts to them.

lovely_star · 02-26-2011, 07:31 PM

Okay so in P3 oils, butters, dairy is OK but not starches and sugars...what about brown rice or sweet potatoes aren't they better for you? Seems like everything contains sugar nowadays I don't know any store bought dressings that don't contain sugar

catjrow3 · 02-26-2011, 07:34 PM

No Sweet potatoes, no brown rice, those are starches... you can find sugar free dressings and such on line, just have a quick search :-)

abihn · 02-28-2011, 09:43 AM

Wednesday will be my LIW. Will my weight continue to decline during the three additional days of 500 cal and rebound to the LIW upon the start of P3?

catjrow3 · 02-28-2011, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abihn

Wednesday will be my LIW. Will my weight continue to decline during the three additional days of 500 cal and rebound to the LIW upon the start of P3?

Some people lose a little bit more on the those 3 days, but it does generally rebound back to your LIW. So just focus on that number. Welcome to P3!!

emel · 02-28-2011, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abihn

Wednesday will be my LIW. Will my weight continue to decline during the three additional days of 500 cal and rebound to the LIW upon the start of P3?

I dropped 1.2 pounds on the last two days from 134.2 to 133. I used 134.2 as my LDW. I've been pretty much right between those two numbers for P3 and I just figure the extra loss is a little bit of wiggle room. I actually raised calories with extra protein the last two days... 600 on 1st day, and about 750 on the 2nd. Not protocol, but I felt like I needed a protein boost, and I think I was right, since I lost over a pound.

abihn · 02-28-2011, 12:16 PM

Thank you catjrow2 and emel. I've lost 53 pounds and my body is telling me it needs a break from P2 as I'm getting hungry more often and I'm drained. I might add a little extra protein the next two days.

Gibby · 02-28-2011, 12:24 PM

Hi abihn,
I started with a couple of eggs fried or scrambled in butter my first two days - that's all I added except for increasing the size of my protein servings at lunch and dinner.

Then I added more fats, protein and veggies after those two days and it worked out fine!

Remember, you can add a wider choice of vegetables and put butter on them, if you wish! Olive oil was also a nice addition.

catjrow3 · 02-28-2011, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abihn

Thank you catjrow2 and emel. I've lost 53 pounds and my body is telling me it needs a break from P2 as I'm getting hungry more often and I'm drained. I might add a little extra protein the next two days.

WOW!!! good for you on the losses!! That sounds like a very nice productive Phase 2!! Welcome to P3 then, it will be a relief after P2!!

michlady · 03-05-2011, 02:39 AM

bumping...

Lost and Found · 03-08-2011, 05:18 PM

catkin · 03-09-2011, 12:57 PM

Yay, it's a sticky--thank you!

Nakima79 · 03-10-2011, 03:05 AM

Ok so this is my question...I am on P3 Day 7..Is it OK to start working out? I have Turbo Jam, P90X, Wii Fit and a gym membership. What is Okay to do right now?

Nakima79 · 03-10-2011, 04:09 AM

a few more questions...

How will I know that I am stable?

When can I start using my toothpaste and other health and beauty product again?

I also am having a hart time getting my protein up higher Can I drink a Protein shake or eat some kind of Bar as a snack to get that up??

dawnyama · 03-10-2011, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catkin

Yay, it's a sticky--thank you!

Yes, I noticed that this morning! Thank you mods for the sticky

CJoy · 03-10-2011, 12:44 PM

Yay, thanks for the P3 sticky!!!!

catkin · 03-10-2011, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nakima79

Ok so this is my question...I am on P3 Day 7..Is it OK to start working out? I have Turbo Jam, P90X, Wii Fit and a gym membership. What is Okay to do right now?

Hi! You might want to ask in a P3 thread below this sticky. You'll get more feedback.

Nakima79 · 03-10-2011, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catkin

Hi! You might want to ask in a P3 thread below this sticky. You'll get more feedback.

Thank You

MsHistory · 03-12-2011, 05:52 AM

Ok I have to admit that I have been reading posts on here for weeks, and have only now run into a wall -- so I'm hoping you guys can help me with a few questions of my own! : )

First, I'm on day 2 of P3 and failing MISERABLY. (I have a fairly good idea why...) But I have a few questions. First, I did a steak day and gained a pound -- ARGH! So could somebody at least ballpark how big of a steak it is that I'm supposed to eat?

Secondly, I think I'm going to try one of the suggestions on here and do a pattern: Correction Day, P3 Foods Day, Correction Day, P3 Foods Day. Some of the correction days are a Nut Day, Greek Yogurt Day, and an Egg Day. But everything I've read here stresses extreme caution on these foods, so can I do them or do I need to wait until I'm further into P3?

Next question, for the protein shake correction day, I see that one of the ingredients is eggs -- do you mean raw eggs? Isn't that unsafe and completely awful tasting? Just asking! : )

Finally - when you talk about "eating clean", does that mean you eat P2 foods (minus melba) but double the protein and make sure you are getting the full (Your weight x 11) number of calories? Do we still have to watch spices like we did on P2?

As you can tell, even with all the insight I have gotten from this site, P3 is really kicking my butt and frustrating the HECK out of me! Thanks for any help!

Hotmama · 03-19-2011, 05:44 PM

OK best P3 meal EVER! It took one of my Great Grandmas recipes and tweaked it!

Green chillie Zuchini bake
1 1/2 cup steamed and mashed califlower (oringinal recipe calls for rice)
3 med. zucchini sliced thin - cook in hot water with a little salt till tender but crisp
1 large tomato
pepperjack cheese
montery jack cheese
1 1/2 c plain greek yogurt (original recipe calls for sour cream)
1 Tsp Oregano
1 Tsp Garlic Salt
2 Tsp Parsley flakes - I used fresh
1/2 C chopped Bell Pepper
2 TBS dried onion
1 4.5 oz can chopped green chillies
1 7.5 oz can green chillie sauce

Put mashed cauliflower on bottom of glass baking dish
Sprinkle thin layer of Pepper Jack cheese
lay Zucchini over cheese
lay tomatoes on top of zucchini
mix yogurt, chilies, chili sauce, and spices, pour over top of tomatoes
sprinkle with montery jack cheese
Bake 350 for 45-50 min
*This is spicey - if you want to cut back on the spice use all montery jack cheese and no green chili sauce - But I love it spicey!

My kids and DH devoured this! The kids were amazed that I could actually eat what they were tonight! I served it with a side of grilled chicken breast. Yum!

02-26-2011, 03:58 PM	#191
WildflowerMama Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Desperate for Fall Posts: 1,402 Gallery: WildflowerMama Stats: 185.5/143.2/revised to 140 Start Date: Nov 2006	Lovely star - no! You can eat anything BUT starches and sugars. So, you absolutely want to increase your protein and start adding in fats. But, no beans, rice, potatoes, pasta, bread etc.... no starches or sugar but, definitely do add fat back into your diet. Start out your first few days of P3 by increasing your protein and adding in fat - cook your eggs in butter, eat fattier cuts of meat, eat salad dressing but, make sure it doesn't contain sugar or starches etc.... then over time, slowly add in full fat dairy - yogurt, heavy cream etc... For a lot of people, cheese and nuts can be trigger foods so, I've found it's advised to add these in slowly and only one at a time so you can see how your body reacts to them. __________________ Pain is temporary. Quitting lasts forever. Lance Armstrong Losing weight is hard, but being fat is harder. Choose your hard. Don't sit if you can stand. Don't stand if you can walk. Don't walk if you can run. Get Moving! Last edited by WildflowerMama; 02-26-2011 at 04:00 PM..

03-10-2011, 04:09 AM	#204
Nakima79 Junior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 38 Gallery: Nakima79 Stats: 225/200/180 WOE: HCG Start Date: January 2011	a few more questions... How will I know that I am stable? When can I start using my toothpaste and other health and beauty product again? I also am having a hart time getting my protein up higher Can I drink a Protein shake or eat some kind of Bar as a snack to get that up?? Last edited by Nakima79; 03-10-2011 at 04:24 AM..

03-12-2011, 05:52 AM	#209
MsHistory Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Montana Posts: 279 Gallery: MsHistory Stats: 164/144/125 WOE: Hhcg Start Date: February 2011	Correction Days... Ok I have to admit that I have been reading posts on here for weeks, and have only now run into a wall -- so I'm hoping you guys can help me with a few questions of my own! : ) First, I'm on day 2 of P3 and failing MISERABLY. (I have a fairly good idea why...) But I have a few questions. First, I did a steak day and gained a pound -- ARGH! So could somebody at least ballpark how big of a steak it is that I'm supposed to eat? Secondly, I think I'm going to try one of the suggestions on here and do a pattern: Correction Day, P3 Foods Day, Correction Day, P3 Foods Day. Some of the correction days are a Nut Day, Greek Yogurt Day, and an Egg Day. But everything I've read here stresses extreme caution on these foods, so can I do them or do I need to wait until I'm further into P3? Next question, for the protein shake correction day, I see that one of the ingredients is eggs -- do you mean raw eggs? Isn't that unsafe and completely awful tasting? Just asking! : ) Finally - when you talk about "eating clean", does that mean you eat P2 foods (minus melba) but double the protein and make sure you are getting the full (Your weight x 11) number of calories? Do we still have to watch spices like we did on P2? As you can tell, even with all the insight I have gotten from this site, P3 is really kicking my butt and frustrating the HECK out of me! Thanks for any help!

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02-21-2011, 07:26 PM	#181
halebop Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 365 Gallery: halebop Stats: 195/180/135	Also, is the 1 melba toast or grisini from phase 2 not allowed in phase 3? Thanks!

02-21-2011, 08:16 PM	#182
catjrow3 Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,616 Gallery: catjrow3 Stats: 240/178.7/140 WOE: NK - LCHF Start Date: 05/18/2013 (restart of course)	Nope, neither. No starches or sugars in P3...

02-21-2011, 08:41 PM	#183
WildflowerMama Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Desperate for Fall Posts: 1,402 Gallery: WildflowerMama Stats: 185.5/143.2/revised to 140 Start Date: Nov 2006	Thank you for this!!! I didn't stabilize in P3 so well last time so, I'm on what I plan to be my very last round. I must stabilize this time! I will do whatever it takes and I so appreciate all the info on this thread!

02-24-2011, 11:01 AM	#186
halebop Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 365 Gallery: halebop Stats: 195/180/135	I know Dr. Simeons mentions that "over-enthusiasm" is a problem and it's a mistake to just make minor variations to the VLCD from phase 2 (like replacing meat with egg etc) I see how that wouldn't be good at all and that the advice to eat freely except starces and sugars exists for a reason. But I know I'd feel better with some idea of calories. Do most people really play it by ear or set out with a plan to maybe have 1000 calories for a day or two at the start of phase 3, then 1200, then 1500? Any thoughts on calorie intake in phase 3? Do you really just stick to the list of foods, eat until your comfortable and then adjust if your scale weight goes up 2.1 pounds or more and not worry about whether you had 1200 or 2000 calories?

02-24-2011, 02:16 PM	#187
kj2010 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 354 Gallery: kj2010 Stats: Total lost since 8/2010 is -60 (-35/LC then Hcg) WOE: Low Carb/hcg Start Date: Round 3: 1/14/12 - Hcg	Okay, seriously...those garlic/parm wings sound so good. I would eat those anytime! So, I'm trying to start researching some recipes, etc. now to get prepared for P3 next week. I see all these different things like Almond flour, etc that can be used to make bread type products. Are these allowed in p3?? Some recipes call for Carbquick too. What about that? I'm assuming that's like Bisquick or something. Obviously, I would probably hold off on that stuff until week 2 of P3 anyway, but I'm still curious what others do.

02-24-2011, 03:01 PM	#188
catjrow3 Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,616 Gallery: catjrow3 Stats: 240/178.7/140 WOE: NK - LCHF Start Date: 05/18/2013 (restart of course)	kari, and those garlic/parm drumsticks did a great correction day! I would be very careful with the almond flour, I think thats what led to my correction day. I am a carb addict and made stuff with it, and went up. i am not sure about carbquick, but if its got carbs probably not... good luck in P3..

02-24-2011, 04:02 PM	#189
Lbibclc Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Missouri Posts: 428 Gallery: Lbibclc Stats: 231.8/132 54/5-6 WOE: Primal/HHCG Start Date: August 2009	I have a question about the shake day. If I use egg protein, since I am allergic to cows milk, do I add the eggs or just more protein powder? I use jay robbs plain egg protein which is just egg and lecithin.

02-26-2011, 03:54 PM	#190
lovely_star Junior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NYC Posts: 46 Gallery: lovely_star Stats: 5'7" 148.6/136/130 WOE: hHCG VLCD, R1P2, exercise 3-4x week Start Date: 03/19/11	Just need to clarify P3 is the continuation of the diet without the hHCG drops still restricting starches and sugars...so that means no rice, beans, lentils, salad dressings, oils still What about dairy, nuts, cereals?

02-26-2011, 07:31 PM	#192
lovely_star Junior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NYC Posts: 46 Gallery: lovely_star Stats: 5'7" 148.6/136/130 WOE: hHCG VLCD, R1P2, exercise 3-4x week Start Date: 03/19/11	Okay so in P3 oils, butters, dairy is OK but not starches and sugars...what about brown rice or sweet potatoes aren't they better for you? Seems like everything contains sugar nowadays I don't know any store bought dressings that don't contain sugar

02-26-2011, 07:34 PM	#193
catjrow3 Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,616 Gallery: catjrow3 Stats: 240/178.7/140 WOE: NK - LCHF Start Date: 05/18/2013 (restart of course)	No Sweet potatoes, no brown rice, those are starches... you can find sugar free dressings and such on line, just have a quick search :-)

03-08-2011, 05:18 PM	#201
Lost and Found Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,151 Gallery: Lost and Found	bump

03-09-2011, 12:57 PM	#202
catkin Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 16,132 Gallery: catkin Stats: Made Goal! 132 lbs. WOE: hhcg	Yay, it's a sticky--thank you!

02-28-2011, 09:43 AM	#194
abihn Junior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 10 Gallery: abihn Stats: 284/231/183 WOE: HCG Start Date: January 17, 2011	Wednesday will be my LIW. Will my weight continue to decline during the three additional days of 500 cal and rebound to the LIW upon the start of P3?

02-28-2011, 12:16 PM	#197
abihn Junior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 10 Gallery: abihn Stats: 284/231/183 WOE: HCG Start Date: January 17, 2011	Thank you catjrow2 and emel. I've lost 53 pounds and my body is telling me it needs a break from P2 as I'm getting hungry more often and I'm drained. I might add a little extra protein the next two days.

02-28-2011, 12:24 PM	#198
Gibby Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Phoenix Posts: 3,442 Gallery: Gibby Stats: Not telling/Might tell/Will shout from the rooftop WOE: Whatever works Start Date: 7/23/2012	Hi abihn, I started with a couple of eggs fried or scrambled in butter my first two days - that's all I added except for increasing the size of my protein servings at lunch and dinner. Then I added more fats, protein and veggies after those two days and it worked out fine! Remember, you can add a wider choice of vegetables and put butter on them, if you wish! Olive oil was also a nice addition.

03-05-2011, 02:39 AM	#200
michlady Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 174 Gallery: michlady Stats: 223.6/179.2/165 WOE: HHCG Start Date: August/2010	bumping...

03-10-2011, 03:05 AM	#203
Nakima79 Junior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 38 Gallery: Nakima79 Stats: 225/200/180 WOE: HCG Start Date: January 2011	Ok so this is my question...I am on P3 Day 7..Is it OK to start working out? I have Turbo Jam, P90X, Wii Fit and a gym membership. What is Okay to do right now?

03-10-2011, 12:44 PM	#206
CJoy Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 401 Gallery: CJoy WOE: hhCG Start Date: 10.8.2010	Yay, thanks for the P3 sticky!!!!

03-19-2011, 05:44 PM	#210
Hotmama Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: UT Posts: 86 Gallery: Hotmama Stats: 159.6/150.0/125 5'5" WOE: HHCG Start Date: 2/13/2011	OK best P3 meal EVER! It took one of my Great Grandmas recipes and tweaked it! Green chillie Zuchini bake 1 1/2 cup steamed and mashed califlower (oringinal recipe calls for rice) 3 med. zucchini sliced thin - cook in hot water with a little salt till tender but crisp 1 large tomato pepperjack cheese montery jack cheese 1 1/2 c plain greek yogurt (original recipe calls for sour cream) 1 Tsp Oregano 1 Tsp Garlic Salt 2 Tsp Parsley flakes - I used fresh 1/2 C chopped Bell Pepper 2 TBS dried onion 1 4.5 oz can chopped green chillies 1 7.5 oz can green chillie sauce Put mashed cauliflower on bottom of glass baking dish Sprinkle thin layer of Pepper Jack cheese lay Zucchini over cheese lay tomatoes on top of zucchini mix yogurt, chilies, chili sauce, and spices, pour over top of tomatoes sprinkle with montery jack cheese Bake 350 for 45-50 min *This is spicey - if you want to cut back on the spice use all montery jack cheese and no green chili sauce - But I love it spicey! My kids and DH devoured this! The kids were amazed that I could actually eat what they were tonight! I served it with a side of grilled chicken breast. Yum!