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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Florida
Posts: 319
Gallery: KelliC
Stats: 160/138.6/135
WOE: hhcg/P4
Start Date: April 2011
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From what I see, some people can dive right in and not have a problem--others can't. I chose to take it slow because.. what can it hurt? I'd rather go slowly and maintain than dive in and be 5-10 lb over ldw in a week or two. My hubby definitely dove right in and has gained 5lbs back (he also has a really fast metabolism and didn't really need hcg-- he pretty much did it to support me and dd) DD didn't dive in a badly as hubby but she was having "normal" amounts of bread and sugar within the first week of P3 and her weight definitely fluctuates more than mine. I am have small portions of just about anything I want and the biggest fluctuation I've seen from foods (now that I'm in P4) is .3 lb and it was right back down the next morning. My dd will fluctuate up to 1.5. Some people that take it slowly still fluctuate a lot I just prefered to go slowly so that when I did fluctuate I could be pretty sure of why and what to expect.
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Way too much time on my hands!
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Irmo, SC
Posts: 21,305
Gallery: dawnyama
Stats: 154/???/115 5'4"
WOE: Hhcg/Rwhatever P2
Start Date: 6/1/09
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2. You will know when it is a reaction to a food versus a gain from anything else. Peggy had a 3 lb gain from eating almonds and it happened EVERY time she ate them. So you will know the difference. Advice: Journal your food so you can watch your trends. If you gain every time you eat a certain food, you will know. I forget from breakfast to lunch what I ate, so I write down everything I put in my mouth. Kind of tedious but it is your best tool in finding your trigger foods.
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Northern IN
Posts: 169
Gallery: NeekoM
Stats: 231/195.0/145
WOE: hHCG
Start Date: April 2, 2011
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Good luck, hickergurl, during P3! Try not to stress too much and enjoy your food! |
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#304 |
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Major LCF Poster!
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I "dove in" to butter, eggs, avocados, upping all the fats and more of the proteins. I was careful and slow with cream cheese, nuts, splenda and all that. I am my own science experiment :-) I didn't keep a journal because I have an inherent tendency to hate that sorta thing, but I watched everything very carefully and determined that if I gained, I'd be alert to the cause. My only mistake was the agave' syrup, which I wasn't supposed to have anyway. I remember feeling positively DECADENT after eating some sweetened mascarpone with strawberries and fully expecting to see an increase the next morning - and I didn't!! (hey, it was like a tablespoon..).
Some people always know their bank balance in their head. Some people rarely have an accurate idea. But we've all put a lot of investment in this. So I think it's just whatever way you choose - but the important this is to pay attention and "learn" your body. |
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#305 |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Florida
Posts: 319
Gallery: KelliC
Stats: 160/138.6/135
WOE: hhcg/P4
Start Date: April 2011
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I need to correct myself --- I think a lot depends on how well you know your body in relation to what affects it ( I'm not that great at it so going slowly has helped me be better) plus did I mention I'm skeered??:blush: lol. |
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#306 |
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Major LCF Poster!
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Oh my gosh, I'd lose my mind!! I haven't had even a TASTE of bread or sugar since February!! I have a strong feeling I'd be right back in my size 12 jeans if I had bread and or sugar. The problem for me with that is once I have some, it's like crack. I WANT MORE!
For me, it's not about eating it, it's about the ensuing insanity. It will make my life difficult. What is that AA saying? "One drink is too much and one drink is never enough"? (something like that) I'm that way with sugar, bread, and high carby stuff in general. One night, on P2, I went thru a whole pack of melba toast. The ENTIRE next day, you'd think I was a starving lioness on a hunt. I wanted to "jump" on ANYTHING and devour it! (preferably a box of jelly donuts). I'm also sure that with the exception of a once a month splurge day, that sugar and bread can't EVER come back into my life. When I'm finishing up, I'll figure out my "rules" I'm thinking that Ezekiel bread and some occasional whole wheat pasta will be it - (and of course, the starchy veggies). That said - for my husband - the rules are all completely different. He'll probably be able to exist on Krispy Creams and pasta Alfredo half the time and not gain. Rrrrrr!!! |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Florida
Posts: 319
Gallery: KelliC
Stats: 160/138.6/135
WOE: hhcg/P4
Start Date: April 2011
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Mine too--after P2 I found out that my hubby was eating doughnuts throught and he STILL lost more than me (and I strictly followed protocol) Oh well I know what you mean about the AA statements Carbs and sugar definitely can be addicting. I found that after P3, some of my favorite sweets taste a little off to me now. Not neccessarily bad but no where near as good as I remember them tasting--don't know why that happened but I'll take it Hope you have an easy transition to the next phase ![]() |
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Junior LCF Member
Join Date: May 2011
Location: San Antonio, TX (outside really in Schertz)
Posts: 25
Gallery: Trish9
Stats: P2 167 P3 152 Goal 135lb
WOE: HCG
Start Date: April 16,2011
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I like milk, but rarely drink it. So, if I buy even a quart, it will probably spoil. I did learn one thing when I was making my own yogurt, however. I buy the lactose free milk. It lasts way longer and freezes way better than the regular milk, which includes fat free, 2%, or whole. For some reason, these milks, after being frozen, have tiny lumps. Not really lumps, but perhaps tiny curds. The lactose free milk doesn't do this. What are they putting into our milk now?" she said with great trepidation. ![]() Done any reading about fluoride and chlorine lately? ![]() Your right cashews are seeds that grow inside the cashew apple and peanuts grow under ground. I wish I could post a link here, but do try Googling pictures of cashew growing. |
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell
Posts: 2,930
Gallery: Zbunny
WOE: hhcg
Start Date: P2 Start 1/2/2012
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I was more of a "just dive right in" girl. I just ate to satiety, avoiding all sugars (except fruit) and starches. I did see fluctuations the first 3 days, but luckily the smart people around here told me not to worry about it, just to keep my calories up (esp fat calories). I am currently maintaining very stably with about 1800-2200 cals/day (the only exception is when I eat peanut butter, which isn't on P3 anyway, and is a huge trigger food for me - I have had gains after eating it which resulted in Correction Days, but other than that, steady as a rock). I didn't overanalyze things too much, although I do track in ****** (not every day anymore, but I did during P2, and the first week of P3, which helped me to see that my friends here were right -- I stabilized AFTER increasing my cals and fats!) I am thrilled to be able to eat so much and stay so stable. The reset is real. I look back at my ****** entries from before Simeons and I see that I was maintaining with MUCH lower calories, and I would register a gain every time I'd bump up my cals to near BMR. Enjoy it! It's a huge part of the journey, and it helps map out how you will maintain for the rest of your life!
ETA: I did NOT dive right back into dairy though: I slowly added it in (I was having half-n-half all along, so I kept that, then added in GY, was fine, so added in a bit of cheese, etc.) and I still don't eat nearly as much cheese as I used to.
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(Then lowered it 5 lbs.) ![]() Week 1: -7.2 (-11.4 from loading weight) Week 2: -7.0 Week 3: -3 (below goal!!) ~ Sheri Last edited by Zbunny; 06-25-2011 at 10:13 AM.. |
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Major LCF Poster!
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When we got into P3 there were some days when I saw my husband eating conservatively, cutting back, (like we used to eat every day...while we were 30 pounds over...), and I would say..."No! You're messing it up!!! You need to teach your body that we LLOOOVVVVEEEE calories!!! Don't teach it to live on 1200!! You're being a bad parent!" LOL |
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell
Posts: 2,930
Gallery: Zbunny
WOE: hhcg
Start Date: P2 Start 1/2/2012
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Very Gabby LCF Member!!!
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: St. Joseph, Missouri
Posts: 3,967
Gallery: Missouri_Librarian
Stats: 254/242/152
WOE: JUDDD/IF
Start Date: 3/4/13
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bumping, just started P3 this week..love the tips here..ty
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#315 |
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: USA
Posts: 2,544
Gallery: privatediva
Stats: 128 (R2ldw 128) 5'7"
WOE: healthful, delicious low carb
Start Date: 6/28/2011 (started HCG) maintaining since 9/2011
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Miss. Librarian....your success is *incredible*. You look so beautiful. Congrats. Really inspiring.
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#316 |
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Very Gabby LCF Member!!!
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: St. Joseph, Missouri
Posts: 3,967
Gallery: Missouri_Librarian
Stats: 254/242/152
WOE: JUDDD/IF
Start Date: 3/4/13
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#317 |
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Junior LCF Member
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Posts: 3
Gallery: maggiek
WOE: HCL
Start Date: May6, 2011
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I am entering P3. I am not a breakfast person and dislike eggs in any form. I will opt for the protein shakes. Can anyone recommend a good (tasty) low carb protein powder that doesn't have sugar or aspartame/sucralose?
I have lost 29 lbs - would like to lose another 10. Should I enter this stage or continue for a 3rd round of the VLCD? |
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#318 |
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Very Gabby LCF Member!!!
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: St. Joseph, Missouri
Posts: 3,967
Gallery: Missouri_Librarian
Stats: 254/242/152
WOE: JUDDD/IF
Start Date: 3/4/13
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i dont eat breakfast at all, as i have never been a breakfast person myself...
I am not at goal ether and went on to this stage and then will go on to P4 to get to goal...I am having some trouble with this phase as I keep on losing daily and know I am not supposed to...luckily one of the ladies on here is helping me with that I get my protein powder at Sams club...EAS brand....but sorry just checked it has sucralose good luck in whatever you choose |
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#319 |
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Junior LCF Member
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Posts: 3
Gallery: maggiek
WOE: HCL
Start Date: May6, 2011
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Thanks! I looked up a product called "Metabolic Reset" by Nature's Way. It got mostly good user reviews and a local health food store does carry it.
I find this third phase to be confusing - I want to continue to lose more, but I'm doing this with my wellness doc and she didn't want me to continue with the HCG drops for more than two months consecutively. I will just keep re-reading everything so I don't screw it up. This forum thread has been very helpful so far. |
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#320 |
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I would check Netrition's prices. That is the store here on the site. It looks like their Nature's Way products are on sale for half off or so and shipping is always just 4.95. Netrition is most always cheaper then any price on the net and most stores. I order several things from the site and always save a ton of money. I even send things to my diabetic parents!
Sorry for sounding like a commercial but I love Netrition! ![]() |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: May 2011
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 380
Gallery: 1moretry
Stats: R2P3 129.8/LDW 130.0
WOE: HCG Simeons Protocol
Start Date: May 14, 2011
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The Metabolic Reset mentioned above has xylitol in it. As for continuing for another round of VCLD or moving into P3, you don't say what form of HCG you are using (homeopathic or actual Rx hormone), and that does make a bit of a difference. Either way, though, you have lost a substantial amount of weight and your body probably needs to rest, reshape and adapt before asking it to go further. That's the purpose of P3, IMO. After treating thousands of patients, I think Simeons had good reasons for how he said the protocol should be followed, so I recommend you look at P&I for what he had to say on this subject.
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R1P2 161.4/LIW 141.2 SQ Rx HCG started 5/14, ended 6/29/11 R1P3 LIW 141.2/ALIW 143.0 ended at 143.2 8/10/11 R2P2 143.0/LDW 130.0 hhCG started 8/11, ended 9/21/11 R2P3 129.8/LDW 130.0 started 9/22/11 |
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#322 |
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Junior LCF Member
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Posts: 3
Gallery: maggiek
WOE: HCL
Start Date: May6, 2011
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Thank you for the response. I was using the actual Rx hormone; working with a wellness doctor on this program. I will continue to read thru these forum postings as well as re-read (and re-read again!) the P&I for Simeons' methodology.
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#323 |
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Senior LCF Member
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I'am not eating this for awhile but just wondering about the low carb ice cream that is sugar free? would those be a big no no
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Way too much time on my hands!
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Irmo, SC
Posts: 21,305
Gallery: dawnyama
Stats: 154/???/115 5'4"
WOE: Hhcg/Rwhatever P2
Start Date: 6/1/09
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I bought my own ice cream maker when I started P3 2 summers ago. Yum!! |
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#325 |
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Yeah I'am just wanting some ice cream so bad! Here is the ingredients in the low carb ice cream maybe someone can tell me if there is a starch in there
Milk, Skim Milk, Cream, Sorbitol, Polydextrose, Cocoa (Processed With Alkali), Whey, Glycerine, Cellulose Gel, Propylene Glycol Monoesters, Mono And Diglycerides, Salt, Cellulose Gum, Carob Bean Gum, Guar Gum, Sucralose (Splenda ® Brand), Acesulfame Potassium, Carrageenan, Natural Flavor. Last edited by shannashimmers; 07-12-2011 at 07:19 PM.. |
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#326 |
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Very Gabby LCF Member!!!
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: St. Joseph, Missouri
Posts: 3,967
Gallery: Missouri_Librarian
Stats: 254/242/152
WOE: JUDDD/IF
Start Date: 3/4/13
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I had a sf fudge bar tonight...will see how it effects me in the morning....
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: May 2011
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 380
Gallery: 1moretry
Stats: R2P3 129.8/LDW 130.0
WOE: HCG Simeons Protocol
Start Date: May 14, 2011
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In reading labels, look at the breakdown for Carbohydrates. It should show total carbs and list the amount of fiber underneath that. Subtract fiber (in grams) from the total carbs and you get "effective carbs." Then multiply THAT number by the amount you actually eat. Most serving sizes are quite small (like 1/2 cup) and it's not uncommon for us to eat a lot more than a serving when we are responding to a craving. When it comes to cravings, especially for carbs, they are made worse by our body's insulin response to even thinking about them, and ingesting them causes more insulin to be secreted in response. Some of us are more sensitive to carbs than others. I can't even use stevia because my body responds to the sweetness as if I had eaten table sugar. Gary Taubes' latest book explains this quite well and shows how carbs make us fat. IMO, Jonny Bowden's book on Living Low Carb does an even better job of explaining how this works and then gives comparisons of 36 different low carb plans for the long haul. He doesn't talk about HCG, though, so we have to rely on P&I for guidance about how to do P3. No sugar or starch in P3 and then very slow experimentation, always watching the scale, after that. |
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Denver
Posts: 1,560
Gallery: martiangurll
Stats: 250ish/201.5/138???
WOE: HCG at the moment R3P2VLDC33
Start Date: 4/01/10 (Atkins restart)
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Hi everybody. I have just a couple of silly questions. I am not going into P3 anytime soon, but I really want to understand this part of the HCG protocol, since it appears to be the most important part?
![]() Why are oranges okay for P2 but not P3? If I follow low sugar/low starch in P3, I am not sure I can avoid losing weight! (Unless I eat enough fruit to exceed my CCLL that is. Is this how you ladies maintain? Or will the HCG reset so that I don't lose weight on Atkins anymore, just when I use the HCG and calorie restrict? Because if it does that, I don't want to do the HCG as Atkins is working--not as quickly as I'd like, but it does work and I don't want to mess with a good thing. Finally, if you are allowed fruit in P3 (and from the thread it looks like you are allowed certain fruits, just not high glycemic index ones) how do you ladies control your appetite? Because fruits make me crave big, big, big time. I think I am super sensitive to sugar of any kind, even natural fruit sugar, with the exception of really low carb stuff like raspberries and melon. But if I eat those, I will not stabilize I think, I will continue to lose, unless I eat a lot, kick myself out of ketosis and then I will crave food again! ![]()
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Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stranger (from The Dark Knight Returns: the Joker) All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible. (T. E. Lawrence) |
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Very Gabby LCF Member!!!
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: St. Joseph, Missouri
Posts: 3,967
Gallery: Missouri_Librarian
Stats: 254/242/152
WOE: JUDDD/IF
Start Date: 3/4/13
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2013 Goals for Stacy 1. Hit 100 pounds gone ![]() 2. Maintain Goal 3. Better My Mind, Body AND Spirit ![]() Survive menopause, insomnia, migraines and hypothyroidism with a smile.. |
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Junior LCF Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Toronto, ON Canada
Posts: 50
Gallery: jessicaspector
Stats: start weight 151lbs/ Goal 125lbs
WOE: HCG
Start Date: August 3, 2011
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