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Girlieschmoo 04-20-2013 08:21 AM

Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) and potassium levels
 
Originally Posted by skeeweeaka
Long-term use of apple cider vinegar could cause low [URL="http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/featured-nutrient-potassium"]potassium levels and lower bone density. If you already have low potassium or osteoporosis, talk to your doctor before using apple cider vinegar.


This was a comment I found in a thread on apple cider vinegar....

Ok, I am confused I have read more than I can even believe of the apple cider vinegar threads and several people stated they take it for extra potassium. Does anyone know what the quote above is referencing? Does it help or hurt potassium levels?

raindroproses 04-20-2013 09:51 AM

That makes no sense to me whatsoever... there's extra potassium IN apple cider vinegar, so I don't know how it could possibly lower your levels :stars:

To me, I've noticed a difference in the positive direction I SHOULD notice it... which is that I feel like I'm getting extra potassium in my diet now. Which I obviously am :laugh:

The only thing I could think of to ask your doctor is if you're on BP meds because I know you have to watch supplementing with potassium if you're on those. But the amount in ACV is so small that it shouldn't even be lumped in with the "supplement" category anyway imo, and should go in with the "food" category... which I don't believe those on BP meds need to watch at all.

No one would tell you to be careful eating bananas or avocados for the same reasons, right? So why ACV when it's got so much less than any of those things do? :laugh:

Strawberry 04-20-2013 10:02 AM

I dont understand how it would have any effect on potassium at all.

Girlieschmoo 04-20-2013 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by raindroproses (Post 16384346)
That makes no sense to me whatsoever... there's extra potassium IN apple cider vinegar, so I don't know how it could possibly lower your levels :stars:

To me, I've noticed a difference in the positive direction I SHOULD notice it... which is that I feel like I'm getting extra potassium in my diet now. Which I obviously am :laugh:

The only thing I could think of to ask your doctor is if you're on BP meds because I know you have to watch supplementing with potassium if you're on those. But the amount in ACV is so small that it shouldn't even be lumped in with the "supplement" category anyway imo, and should go in with the "food" category... which I don't believe those on BP meds need to watch at all.

No one would tell you to be careful eating bananas or avocados for the same reasons, right? So why ACV when it's got so much less than any of those things do? :laugh:

See, this is exactly what I thought too! I am not on BP meds so that's not an issue.

When you say you feel like you're getting the extra potassium, what does that look like? I have the ubiquitous leg cramp issues many LCers deal with and have finally settled on potassium being the issue for me (magnesium and sodium levels are fine). I wish I could eat an avocado everyday to take care of it but it's just not happening...get in an avocado about 2x/week.

But I can take ACV daily, no problem. Just curious if a) you had leg cramp issues too, and b) did ACV help?

Girlieschmoo 04-20-2013 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Strawberry (Post 16384373)
I dont understand how it would have any effect on potassium at all.

It does have 11mg of potassium per serving so it would seem to be a good supplement for potassium (which is why the statement that it could lower levels threw me off).

raindroproses 04-20-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Girlieschmoo (Post 16384379)
See, this is exactly what I thought too! I am not on BP meds so that's not an issue.

When you say you feel like you're getting the extra potassium, what does that look like? I have the ubiquitous leg cramp issues many LCers deal with and have finally settled on potassium being the issue for me (magnesium and sodium levels are fine). I wish I could eat an avocado everyday to take care of it but it's just not happening...get in an avocado about 2x/week.

But I can take ACV daily, no problem. Just curious if a) you had leg cramp issues too, and b) did ACV help?

I did have leg cramps before! Moreso when I actually drank alcohol still (which I assume was because it dehydrates you and I was constantly running to the bathroom, which depletes your electrolytes) but I was still getting them up until recently too... just less severe thankfully. I drink the ACV tonics 3x a day every day (4x a day during TOM) and I haven't had leg cramps lately at all! I also don't get TOM cramps anymore either, and retain far less water now too. 1 pound this month, versus 4 the month prior to starting my potassium supplementation. I also take 99mg in the morning with my multi, and an extra 99mg at night during TOM too :)

I really do think the ACV helps! I've read somewhere that it helps with inflammation too, and I'd believe it because the joint pain I used to have all the time has all but ceased too... all I take is a multi, magnesium, and potassium right now :)

Strawberry 04-20-2013 03:14 PM

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It does have 11mg of potassium per serving so it would seem to be a good supplement for potassium
Actually, its not even a good supplement for potassium. For comparison, the typical adult needs 2000 mg of potassium a day, minimum. Typical adults consume around 5,000 mg a day. So 11mg is a drop in the bucket. A cup of orange juice has about 500 mg of potassium.

Basically ACV just wont really affect potassium. ... there isnt much in there.

Girlieschmoo 04-20-2013 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by raindroproses (Post 16384525)
I did have leg cramps before! Moreso when I actually drank alcohol still (which I assume was because it dehydrates you and I was constantly running to the bathroom, which depletes your electrolytes) but I was still getting them up until recently too... just less severe thankfully. I drink the ACV tonics 3x a day every day (4x a day during TOM) and I haven't had leg cramps lately at all! I also don't get TOM cramps anymore either, and retain far less water now too. 1 pound this month, versus 4 the month prior to starting my potassium supplementation. I also take 99mg in the morning with my multi, and an extra 99mg at night during TOM too :)

I really do think the ACV helps! I've read somewhere that it helps with inflammation too, and I'd believe it because the joint pain I used to have all the time has all but ceased too... all I take is a multi, magnesium, and potassium right now :)

Thanks...good to know! I am very interested in it for its anti-inflammatory properties as well. Didn't know that about TOM ...oh man, that would be wonderful:jumpjoy:

Girlieschmoo 04-20-2013 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Strawberry (Post 16384778)
Actually, its not even a good supplement for potassium. For comparison, the typical adult needs 2000 mg of potassium a day, minimum. Typical adults consume around 5,000 mg a day. So 11mg is a drop in the bucket. A cup of orange juice has about 500 mg of potassium.

Basically ACV just wont really affect potassium. ... there isnt much in there.

Good to know...wonder why so many use it for potassium???

Patience 04-21-2013 08:16 AM

I had never heard about it being used for potassium (before this thread).

Girlieschmoo 04-21-2013 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bella (Post 16385483)
I had never heard about it being used for potassium (before this thread).

I know, me either. But reading several comments about it in different threads is what got me intrigued originally because I do have a potassium deficiency (blood test shows borderline).

As I searched more threads, this came up enough that I decided I would start ACV mainly for that. Obviously, that is going to be a very minor player here now but am still going to drink it for all the other apparent benefits.

Strawberry 04-21-2013 11:08 AM

I thought the benefits of AVC had to do with stabilizing blood sugar.

raindroproses 04-21-2013 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Strawberry (Post 16385781)
I thought the benefits of AVC had to do with stabilizing blood sugar.

I've heard that claim too, and I'd believe it... I eat a piece of dark chocolate daily for the same effect as well. I'm not diabetic though (just insulin resistant) so I really can't say too much about whether it stabilizes it or not in people with serious blood sugar issues. But I've heard it does help :)

Geekin' in Utah 04-21-2013 11:42 PM

You can read the actual case information here: PayPerView: Hypokalemia, Hyperreninemia and Osteoporosis in a Patient Ingesting Large Amounts of Cider Vinegar - Karger Publishers

It looks like it might take potassium in the liver to process acetic acid in some circumstances.

First, 250ml/day is a pretty good amount. Second, there is so little information, it's hard to say whether it is the vinegar itself, the very large quantity, or something else in the diet combined with the vinegar.

There is good evidence of positive benefits, especially on some types of cancers and on insulin load after eating carbohydrates (see Vinegar: Medicinal Uses and Antiglycemic Effect). The problem is that dose information and controlled studies are lacking.

The glycemic impact is particularly interesting. Traditional Japanese diets have been carb heavy, but haven't had the health problems of western carby diets. I wonder if the use of vinegar in Japanese cooking has helped that.

Strawberry 04-22-2013 01:20 PM

Thank you, Geekin' in Utah. Great work uncovering the actual research!

(always much more helpful to see the real thing as opposed to random stuff from the internet)

It looks like they had a patient with renal tubular acidosis.... and given her unusually large consumption of apple cider vinegar, they tried to draw a correlation. I wish I could get the rest of the article.. it would be very interesting to know what happened when she stopped the ACV... if everything resolved (which would suggest the ACV was the problem) or if it continued (which would suggest an underlying renal disorder).

I agree there is some evidence, but its weak, as far as the benefits of ACV.... but in any case, if someone wants to try a tablespoon or so a day, it shouldnt be harmful. Overconsumption (which could be a problem with just about any supplement or vitamin) seemed to be the problem in that case report.

Girlieschmoo 04-22-2013 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Geekin' in Utah (Post 16386540)

There is good evidence of positive benefits, especially on some types of cancers and on insulin load after eating carbohydrates (see Vinegar: Medicinal Uses and Antiglycemic Effect). The problem is that dose information and controlled studies are.

This was very interesting. The dosage thing really is the question...

I am going to start doing some post-prandial glucose testing after meals with ACV and see what I find out (not diabetic, just insulin-resistant).

Thanks for posting that...


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