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Blondie302 07-12-2012 03:42 PM

Vitamin K overload from green veggies, blood is too thin
 
So, while shaving my legs I had a tiny little nick in my skin. I bled for a good 20 mins, it was just running down my leg and dripping on the floor. I knew something wasn't right.

Long story short, I am on a vitamin K overload due to eating nothing but meat and green veggies (green veggies have vitamin k). My doc, who has always been supportive of my lc diet now tells me I need to add in other foods. Just a little something different until this levels off.

I did as was told and have put on 8lbs in a week. Im just distraught. I post in the Century Clubs daily weigh in thread and havent been there in a week or more. I dont know what to do.

My diet was literally meat, green leafy veggies, occasional eggs and cheese. I dont eat fruit at all. If I cut out the green veggies to reduce the vitamin K which thins the blood, then Im left with nothing but meat really and I think that will make me cave.

Anyone else have this happen to them?

BitsyMay 07-12-2012 03:58 PM

How did you change your diet in the week that you gained 8lbs? Did you add in foods that are high in sodium? I've dropped 5.5 lbs in two days by drastically cutting sodium so it makes sense that you could gain at least that much if you add in an unusual amount. Deli meats are typically full of sodium. How about switching to non green veggies for a little while? Summer squash?

jem51 07-12-2012 04:19 PM

There are plenty of LC vegies low/nil in V-K.

You need to google up a list.

What did your level show on the labs your doc took? Just curious....

clackley 07-12-2012 04:35 PM

From what I can understand, an excess amount of vit k does the opposite of thinning blood. It appears to have the affect of forming blood clots.

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Blood clot formation, or thrombosis, is a symptom of vitamin K toxicity. Since vitamin K helps to form clots that protect from profuse bleeding, too much of it could cause excessive clotting. Blood thinners---anticoagulants---are often prescribed for people who are at risk for clots. People taking these medicines must watch their intake of vitamin K, as it could interfere with their medication's ability to work properly. Thrombosis is considered a medical emergency. A blood clot in a leg for example, can break off and travel to the lungs, heart or brain and cause severe injury or death.
And from another source....
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Several forms of vitamin K are used around the world as medicine. But in the U.S., the only form available is vitamin K1 (phytonadione). Vitamin K1 is generally the preferred form of vitamin K because it is less toxic, works faster, is stronger, and works better for certain conditions.

In the body, vitamin K plays a major role in blood clotting. So it is used to reverse the effects of “blood thinning” medications when too much is given; to prevent clotting problems in newborns who don’t have enough vitamin K; and to treat bleeding caused by medications including salicylates, sulfonamides, quinine, quinidine, or antibiotics. Vitamin K is also given to treat and prevent vitamin K deficiency, a condition in which the body doesn’t have enough vitamin K. It is also used to prevent and treat weak bones (osteoporosis) and relieve itching that often accompanies a liver disease called biliary cirrhosis.

People apply vitamin K to the skin to remove spider veins, bruises, scars, stretch marks, and burns. It is also used topically to treat rosacea, a skin condition that causes redness and pimples on the face. After surgery, vitamin K is used to speed up skin healing and reduce bruising and swelling.

Healthcare providers also give vitamin K by injection to treat clotting problems.

An increased understanding of the role of vitamin K in the body beyond blood clotting led some researchers to suggest that the recommended amounts for dietary intake of vitamin K be increased. In 2001, the National Institute of Medicine Food and Nutrition Board increased their recommended amounts of vitamin K slightly, but refused to make larger increases. They explained there wasn’t enough scientific evidence to make larger increases in the recommended amount of vitamin K.

jem51 07-12-2012 04:40 PM

Clackley is exactly right. V-K is given to control bleeding in those who are taking thinners or have bleeding disorders.

I don't know exactly what the doc said but maybe you misunderstood.

Probably you just cut a more vascular spot.

Vanessa120 07-12-2012 04:42 PM

Did you have blood work done that indicated this or was it speculation? Are you on any meds?

steady 07-12-2012 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by clackley (Post 15796383)
From what I can understand, an excess amount of vit k does the opposite of thinning blood. It appears to have the affect of forming blood clots.

:goodpost: That is what I was thought too. Did your doc attribute it to Vitamin K deficiency, you mean? I think it good advice to diversify the plant foods one does eat atleast a little. What greens do you eat? Do you take fish oil or eat loads of omega rich fishes, like salmon?

I had the same problem (a little nick would not clot), I was taking too much fish oil.

Dottie 07-12-2012 05:17 PM

Do you take warfarin/coumadin or a lot of aspirin?

CarolynF 07-12-2012 05:32 PM

When my friend was on warfarin, they told her to avoid too many veggies with Vitamin K unless her body had been used to them..Just don't overdo. I assumed it was because it thinned the blood even more than warfarin..

jem51 07-12-2012 07:11 PM

Carolyn, it is because the V-K would interfere w the thinning process from the coumadin.

The initial blood test gives them an idea of how much coumadin to start.
If the vitamin K rich vegies in the diet are not somewhat steady, the clotting will also fluctuate which is not the desired effect.


Vitamin K is given if the INR shows the blood is too thin which could result in hemorrhage.

pooticus 07-12-2012 08:40 PM

Yep, yep, yep. I've never in my life heard what your doc told you. :hugs:

Did he do a PT/PTT to look at clotting times, etc? Did he do a CBC with platelet counts? What test did he do to dx "Vit K Overload"?

I can tell you, if you cut your shin, especially with a razor, you bleed like a stuck pig and it goes on forever! It's pretty normal, actually, cuz of all the capillaries.

But don't listen to me, I don't even play a doctor on tv! :)

brandywine12 07-13-2012 04:09 AM

OMG! My hubby is on blood thinners and he CAN NOT have any vit k foods. I was told it thickens the blood.!
If you are using fish oil or are on statins it will cause thinning of the blood , which in turn causes bruising and bleeding excessively.

flatferenghi 07-13-2012 04:18 AM

check out ATKINS Induction veggie list.
 
there are many non-green veggies on that list. just watch the portion sizes. i never had that experience in my life. I am the poster troll for red meat. but I do rotate the crops, so to speak, with other protein/fat sources. All cow and no fowl or fish makes FF a dull troll. We do not really need more than 2 gr sodium daily. So, unless you are doing very physical work in the hot sun all week, I would mind the sodium content. No need to eliminate it, just cut it down. Love & Profits: FLATFERENGHI

tiva 07-13-2012 08:13 PM

Even if you misunderstood your doctor's reason for suggestion you eat veggies other than just greens, it's a good idea to eat a wide variety of veggies (I love greens too and could eat only them).

Here are low starch veggies. You do need to eat small portions of the sweeter veggies (ie, onions, carrots, rutabegas).

Sprouts (bean, alfalfa, etc.)
Greens – lettuce, spinach, chard, collards, mustard greens, kale, endive
Herbs - parsley, cilantro, basil, rosemary, thyme, etc.
Bok Choy
Bamboo Shoots
Celery
Radishes
Sea Vegetables (Nori, etc)
Mushrooms
Cabbage (or sauerkraut)
Jicama
Avocado
Asparagus
Okra
Cucumbers (or pickles without added sugars)
Green Beans and Wax Beans
Fennel
Cauliflower
Broccoli
Peppers
Green Bell Peppers
Red Bell Peppers
Jalapeno Peppers
Summer Squash
Zuchinni
Brussels Sprouts
Scallions or green onions
Snow Peas/Snap Peas/Pea Pods
Tomatoes
Eggplant
Tomatillos
Artichokes
Turnips
Pumpkin
Rutabagas
Spaghetti Squash
Celery Root (Celeriac)
Carrots
Onions
Leeks

itzme91 07-13-2012 08:40 PM

hmmm,I take very high doses of coumadin 21 mg .right now daily.the only time I have problems is when i take antibiotics and it gets too thin,the Dr then has to give me shots of vitamin K to thcken it back up.I have a blood disorder.

Blondie302 07-17-2012 09:37 AM

Omg. I haven't been here in a few days but I'm glad I came back. After a follow up, I must say that yes, yes, yes, I totally misunderstood the doc. I am so ashamed I didnt come back here and post!

You are all correct, Vitamin K does help clot the blood and in my moment of desperation I guess I totally heard him wrong. Evidently I need to eat more of the green veggies. They did do a blood test and what is actually going on is that I'm severely anemic and have a vitamin deficiency, and somehow (not sure how exactly) that plays into the thin blood from what I understand.

I don't know how I got all that so screwed around in my head that day. I feel kind of silly now. Thank you all for your responses though. I wish I had came back and read them sooner, maybe I wouldnt have been so stressed lol

Randi 07-17-2012 11:37 AM

Vitamin K aids in blood clotting factors. The others are correct.

Gabby1 07-18-2012 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blondie302 (Post 15807225)
Omg. I haven't been here in a few days but I'm glad I came back. After a follow up, I must say that yes, yes, yes, I totally misunderstood the doc. I am so ashamed I didnt come back here and post!

You are all correct, Vitamin K does help clot the blood and in my moment of desperation I guess I totally heard him wrong. Evidently I need to eat more of the green veggies. They did do a blood test and what is actually going on is that I'm severely anemic and have a vitamin deficiency, and somehow (not sure how exactly) that plays into the thin blood from what I understand.

I don't know how I got all that so screwed around in my head that day. I feel kind of silly now. Thank you all for your responses though. I wish I had came back and read them sooner, maybe I wouldnt have been so stressed lol

Well, eating more red meat and increasing the variety of plants in your diet will undoubtedly help a deficiency anemia- no matter what type you have!

rosep 03-07-2013 11:02 PM

Low Carb Diets and Vitamin K
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blondie302 (Post 15796246)
So, while shaving my legs I had a tiny little nick in my skin. I bled for a good 20 mins, it was just running down my leg and dripping on the floor. I knew something wasn't right.

Long story short, I am on a vitamin K overload due to eating nothing but meat and green veggies (green veggies have vitamin k). My doc, who has always been supportive of my lc diet now tells me I need to add in other foods. Just a little something different until this levels off.

I did as was told and have put on 8lbs in a week. Im just distraught. I post in the Century Clubs daily weigh in thread and havent been there in a week or more. I dont know what to do.

My diet was literally meat, green leafy veggies, occasional eggs and cheese. I dont eat fruit at all. If I cut out the green veggies to reduce the vitamin K which thins the blood, then Im left with nothing but meat really and I think that will make me cave.

Anyone else have this happen to them?


i did until I figured out that I had to eat 4 - 5 times a day to keep my metabolism up and working to burn fat and keep hormonesa nd blood sugar balanced. Each time you eat something, (every 3 - 4 hours) include something rich in protein, doesn't have to be always cooked meat. Explore other protein foods. LOOk into what to pair with the protein for best health result and lose or maintain weight. Another trick that is really key - Eat protein within 1 hour of rising in the morning.
No more weight gain!

Rosep

FitnessWanabee 03-08-2013 12:16 AM

My philosophy(other then minimize carbs & sugar) is to vary meats, cheese and veggies. There are loads of non-green leafy veggies like squash, cauliflower, root vegetables(onions, garlic, radishes). Vary it up!

Yellobrix 03-21-2013 05:35 AM

Vitamin K was named by a German, and in German, the word is "klot" - and it is indeed the vitamin necessary for you to bleed slower, not faster. If you're bleeding too fast, then having too little K might be the problem.

You can take a vitamin K-2 supplement, but you can't typically find it at the grocery store, so shop a good health food store instead. Also, K is generated in the intestines by the friendly bacteria that live there. Feeding the bacteria with a prebiotic such as inulin fiber can help, as can a multi-strain probiotic supplement.

Vitamin K levels can be wiped out by regular use of aspirin as well as taking statin drugs. Anyone who supplements with vitamin D should also supplement with K-2.

HTH!

pitlin 03-21-2013 05:43 AM

Gouda cheese is a good source of K-2, I think, I always eat a piece with my D supplement.


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