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Old 05-05-2009, 09:54 AM   #91
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Went to the chiropractor today and he took x-rays. I have to go back tomorrow to find out what they show. I am not thrilled as he might send me for an MRI--depending on what he sees. He even thinks it could be bursitis in my hip. I have had bursitis in my other hip and this pain is very much different. While my foot isn't numb, I get that pins and needles feeling in it when standing/walking. Anyway, he said he would help me fix it. I am worried because he was talking cortizone shots. So, I just put in a call to my doctor. She will not be pleased that he is talking corizone. She doesn't like to use that. Will be interested to hear what her recommendation is.......I will post when I hear back, which will probably be tomorrow!! She always has us leave a message and we get a call back later. Pain in the butt!!
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Oh yeah, I'd be cautious with the cortisone shots. If you have adrenal issues, coming off of it can cause a severe drop in cortisol. That happened to me just from 1 tiny dose of isocort (a little piece of one pellet) & a little bit of hydrocortisone cream.
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hey guys, haven't been on here too much, trying to get myself sorted out still

for cortisol, i believe you are supposed to wean yourself on and off of it and it can actually be dangerous to cut off your supply too quickly.
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Well, I went yesterday to see my x-rays. Nothing new--you cannot see a pinched nerve on a icky grey x-ray. But he did say that I have degenerative disc disease. He said it looked like my one vertabrae is a bit "slipped" and looks like it could be putting pressure on the nerve. So we are going with that as my diagnosis, basically sciatica since the pain runs down my whole leg. His solution--1. adjustments. If that doesn't work, say in about a month or so then 2. MRI and decompression and if that doesn't do it then I get sent to a pain management specialist to talk about shots. Good thing--he accepts what my insurance sends him as payment. He gets at least $45 a pop---I have been 3 times already this week and am to see him again tomorrow!! Now, funny thing....my stepdad is having the same trouble. They are just going to the pain management specialist first to see if the shots help. In my opinion they are doing it backwards...my mom said if this didn't work, because it doesn't in all people, they don't know what the next step is. Although the orthopedist said my stepdad needs a hip replacement. Anyway, my regular MD said to let my chiropractor handle it. If we get to the shot stage I will consult with her first, after getting the MRI report. Hopefully the adjustments will do the trick!!! One more thing, when I told my mom about the degenerative disc thing, she said that everyone has that. That is not unique!! I thought that was odd. Do you guys know about that? According to my mom you guys have it too! And the chiropractor did mention again that some of my bone wear and tear in my low back is from childbirth. He said it is just how we are...the baby sits inside you for 9 months and that alone gives it wear and tear. The pressure and weight is just too much for those bones to deal with. I wasn't upset this time! The way he said it just kind of made sense. I just kinda "aha-ed" with him.

meb---what are you trying to sort yourself out? I am getting no relief...actually feel like I have backslid after starting the adrenal supplement my doctor started me on so I have upped the dose up to 3 at breakfast and 3 at lunch. My stomach has not reacted well to that; I feel more nauseous and not sure why...... I felt a bit more energy and I actually cared and was doing a bit more housework. Yeah! But after a week or 2, I have gotten back to my lazy ways. That is why my hubby thinks this is more habit than adrenals. It is very tough to deal with all these things. My hubby thinks that I am using the adrenal fatigue diagnosis as an excuse to do nothing. How does your family deal with all this? I am interested to know......
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Dawn,

Your mom is sort of right. But there are definately different degrees to wear & tear. It's normal for everyone to have some minor wear & tear from the everyday friction of the spine. For instance, I should have severe osteoarthritis (just another name for degen. disk disease). I have the gene for ankylosing sponylosis, I have broken my tailbone, I have mild spina bifida, I was in a car accident when I was 12 that I landed on my head (thrown from back seat to front), got whiplash & a herniated disk on Space Mountain in Florida in my 20s...but I have very little osteo. Just a little bit on the very tip of a few disks! I do however have a reverse cervical spine curvature due to the herniated disk. But my chiro said she's very surprised I don't have more problems with my spine on xray.

My mother on the other hand has had no major physical problems, or accidents, and is alot more active than I - and has osteo in her neck according to xray. But I have way more pain than her in my neck. Funny how it all works.

Another thing to think about is that if you have low adrenal hormones, than you will have more inflammation in your body. That sciatic nerve may be more inflamed because of low cortisol. The inflammation technically can push out a disk more than it would normally.

Just wanted to mention to you ladies that I have been taking turmeric the past 4 days. It's working way better than licorice ever did for me. I use to take it a few years ago for my leg pain & because I have a clotting disorder (thins the blood). Now that I know my leg pain is related to the cortisol, I had a lightbulb moment that maybe turmeric helps with adrenals. So I looked it up, and it's got all sorts of benefits. It helps the liver much like milk thistle, keeps the gallbladder healthy, and it helps with cortisol - they think it works by the same mechanism as licorice in that it increases the life of circulating cortisol in the blood.

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Meb: Hope you are feeling better soon.

P.S. And I lost 2 lbs after 4 days of being on the turmeric. And I was NOT sticking to any diet. I was really bad.

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thanks guys

just trying to figure out my next step to take in getting better. more labs from my doc came back and nothing new. i am on 1/4 grain of armour now, i was on only 1/8 grain and that did NOTHING. i have low expectations for the 1/4 grain, but my doc wants to take this slow so i'm going to stick with the small dose for a while. it's mostly my free t3 that is low so i talked to him about switching to cytomel and he wanted to up my dose of armour instead so we are trying that and next labs i might get to say "told ya so" to him if i need to switch to cytomel after all.

my doc doesn't think i have an adrenal problem since i redid my saliva test and my results weren't as bad as the first one. i still think there might be a problem so i have decided to basically self-treat with isocort and see if anything changes. i have recommended dosing from my labwork so i'm not going blind here and i also plan to go VERY slow with it. i'm sick of waiting around for docs to get it right!

dawn, i'm single and live in a house by myself, but my boyfriend comes and stays with me on weekends (he lives about an hour away). his support has been all over the place. he'll do really rude things like make fun of me for not using my exercise equipment and taking naps!!! it's like DON'T YOU GET IT, I HATE THIS!!!!!! AHHHHHH!!! I think we shall have to have a talk about this soon My mom has been pretty supportive, but also keeps trying to think of other things that might be wrong instead. everything she's suggested so far i've already considered though so it's not really that much help.

snow, is the turmeric in capsule form? i prob won't add that right now since it seems like i am taking a MILLION supplements, but maybe later
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I was watching a program called Your Health today and the guest was Cass Ingram. I love him! He was talking about oregano oil--what else?? He said if you take the oil and rub it on the spot that needs healing it will be healed, especially on the joints . So, since I have some oregano oil I am going to try it on my low back. Certainly cannot hurt it anymore!! I might go ahead and get some of the capsules to take internally too. He said those in combo with the oil should help with relief of pain. It is an anti-imflamatory too!! He told Cindy Becker, the host of the show, to give it to her horses!!

snow, that turmeric is good stuff isn't it?? Maybe if the oregano oil doesn't help.....and you didn't answer my question. How does you family deal with you having all these problems. Do they ever get frustrated with you? Mine definitely does!!
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Meb,

Were you taking adrenal supplements when you had the last cortisol test? If so, it would point to them working, but not necessarily your adrenals being healed, kwim? Hope that made sense. My Mom does the same thing. Oh, maybe you have scleroderma, fibromalgia...ugh. Hello, I have low cortisol!!
Yes, the turmeric comes in a capsule. It's used heavily in indian food, if that makes you feel any better!

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Sorry, I thought you were asking Meb! Yes, I get the same thing with my family. Lack of support. Or rather, it's more like they don't want to live under that "cloud of illness" with me, which is totally understandable. It hurts, but I can understand it. My late ex-husband was chronically ill, so I know what it feels like from that side. But I get the rolled eyes from my husband if I told him I needed to take a nap...or 2 or 3 during the day. And I constantly have to explain to him what's going on & why. Again, it's like he's put on the blinders to my health problems. He makes me feel like a hypochondriac or narcisistic because I do have to end up going into the details of why I'm not feeling good (shouldn't he just know why by now??!) But aside from that, he is patient most of the time. As for the rest of my family, they like to stick their head in the sand. I have had a few genetic issues diagnosed, and none of them have bothered to get tested themselves. And in addition, when I was going thru the severe dips in my cortisol & blood sugar before, during and after being on steroids, I had to put up bounderies with my family about phone calls & stuff. They created so much drama about it, that it caused more stress. They actually took it personally that I couldn't take any phone calls & stayed away from the computer. I kept trying to explain why...cortisol is the stress hormone...I have no ability to cope in many ways...the littlest things trigger stress (say the wrong thing on the phone and my BP & blood sugar would drop). That infuriated me. My family aren't dumb people. They should have GOTTEN it!

Yes, the turmeric is excellent. It's the only thing that use to work for my joint pain. I have oil of oregano, and have used it, but I didn't find it to be helpful with inflammation at all. I know my inflammation is more the cortisol thing, so I guess it doesn't address that. I can take Aleve & that won't work either. But oil of oregano is great for viruses. I've stocked up because of the swine flu.

Gotta go for now...thunderstorms here....
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Oh P.S. about the oil of oregano. I've heard opening the capsule & putting some under tongue, and then swallowing the rest is good for viral/bacterial. And be forewarned - it makes you stink from your pores just like garlic does. I've been giving it to my husband, and accusing him of eating too much garlic until I realized it was the Oregano. It is STRONG tasting too.
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i'm taking some oil of oregano myself! i'm not sure if it's actually doing any good though but my swollen lymph node has continually been decreasing (very slowly) so it's not hurting anything. i don't know if my one swollen lymph node is just getting better or what. i haven't been consistent with the oil of oregano so i'm not sure the healing can be solely attributed to it, for me at least.
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That's good Meb! It got rid of a bad sore throat I had awhile ago within a day!

Here's some more reading for you guys. This is a review on the book "Safe uses of Cortisol". The book is really expensive, but the reviews give alot of it away. You'll probably see yourself in many of the symptoms the reviewers note. I had many Aha moments, including the sweating like a pig, and aching arms while blow drying hair.:

Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Safe Uses of Cortisol

I also have a list of things I want my endoc to test including late-onset adrenal hyperplasia when I see her in June. I'm going to insist she covers all bases this time! If I have to be on cortisone for the rest of my life, I'd like to know sooner rather than later than to have to go thru this up & down misery, playing with these darn supplements.
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oh i forgot to add, for my last saliva test i wasn't on anything, not even the licorice. that's why i'm going to give the isocort a shot on my own. i'm going to be VERY careful with it. I know everyone says it's always a bad idea to self-medicate, but i'm going to do it anyways.

snow, did you buy that book or just read through the reviews as they contain a lot of info?
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No, I just read the reviews! The book is $50+! Just on principle alone, I won't pay that much for a book. I might try to pick it up at the library. Or try ebay.

Good luck with the isocort. Be careful. It made me much worse. Could just be me & my particular issue. It does help some. You'll probably be better off taking the recommended dosage. Not like I did & just a portion of the normal dose, which backfired.

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on the publisher's site it was $43.95, but the book is also only 200 pages. i'm not sure if i'll be buying it either
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on the publisher's site it was $43.95, but the book is also only 200 pages. i'm not sure if i'll be buying it either
I know, ripoff right? It's considered a medical textbook (used in maybe alternative medicine school or something). 200 pages of a paperback does not justify that price. Other websites list it as high as $160! Crazy. Could buy it for $43 on the mfg website, and then resell it on ebay or amazon (for more, lol). That's always an option.
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snow--you are a wealth of information! Thanks for that link. I did a quick read through and was amazed at the reviews...I agree that the price is steep, so I won't be getting it but the one review from the MD was pretty good! I might have to think about doing that. Didn't it say that if you needed it it would work, if you don't need it, it won't work? That alone would make it worth while to try.

I just got back from the chiropractor and he gave me a schedule of when to see him until the next time I need an exam. 3 times a week. That is a bit much--I hate going all the way over there, with kids and doing all that, but I have hope that this will work. I can tell it is doing something. Went to Vitamin shoppe and got my oregano oil caps from the North American Spice company--that is Dr. Cass Ingrams' company--and started taking it. I hope it works for the inflamation. I have enough for 2 weeks so I will give it that long. I already have the oil as I bought it years ago for my hubby during allergy season. Didn't work for him, but then again he didn't change diet too.
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Didn't it say that if you needed it it would work, if you don't need it, it won't work? That alone would make it worth while to try.
Yup!! When I was first taking hydrocortisone, that's really when I realized all of my symptoms connected as each of them went away while on it. It was nice to lump everything into one problem. Because I had already been diagnosed with additional things (none of which I have symptoms for the most part after ruling that out with the steroids), I was about to lose my mind what was caused by what, and how to treat it. It was all about the cortisol.

The main thing that I have read is that steroids (as long as they are short acting - like hydrocortisone or cortef) at physiological doses do not have the long term repercussions that high steroids do (bone loss/osteoporosis and arteriosclerosis). The trick is knowing what is a physiological dose for YOU. I always took just enough to feel better, but not completely. Stupid maybe, but I felt safer knowing I was getting a little less than I needed. My family has a history of arteriosclerosis, and I already have a small amt. in my abdominal aorta.
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Another thing I forgot to mention, not replacing your cortisol if it is low can have the same effect as taking high dose steroids.

Having low cortisol, which would be a chronic inflammatory condition, could cause long term damage to arteries for example. I have had high inflammatory markers in my blood for the past 3 years (which are more of a risk for heart attack than cholesterol). Probably all because of the cortisol. And it's possible that chronic inflammation caused the abdominal aorta arteriosclerosis. Because my chiro told me that you usually don't see that in anyone except 90 year olds or older.
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from the review it seemed like over 40 was entering a bad zone for dosage of cortisol. my lab report indicates that i should take up to 20 mg total per day so i feel safe moving up to that level. waiting for my isocort to get here in the mail...

my dosage will eventually be 7.5 mg at 7 a.m., 7.5 mg at noon, and 5 mg at 4 pm.

i'm trying to decide how low to start out at, perhaps 2.5 mg just in the morning to start.
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Meb,

Are you talked about dosage of Isocort? It's up for grabs how much cortisone is actually in Isocort. I don't think it's standardized. And some people claim it did nothing for them when rx cortisone did, means that it probably doesn't have the dose stated on the bottle - at least all the time.

As for what's a safe dose on rx cortisone, it depends on what the steroid is you're using. For hydrocortisone, I've seen charts that say as low as 20 mg is an adrenal suppression dose (puts the adrenals temporarily asleep). It would be ok to do that dose for a reasonably short amt. of time. I started out at 30mg per my dr., but I weaned down to 15 within a week because I didn't feel comfortable. I finally got down to around 2 mg., slowly weaning, and getting off the 2mg was way harder than going down in 5-10mg increments.

I have heard & read stories about adrenals never coming back functionally if on long term adrenal suppression doses. I don't know if it's rare, but it happens. 2.5 - 10 mg is a safer maintenance dose.

Also, as you wean off or down any dose of cortisone (isocort or rx), you'll get resurgence of symptoms. You might assume you need that higher dose, but that is normal. Your adrenals just have to relearn to pick up the slack since it is used to that dose & cortisol drops also can cause pain.

As for the isocort (if those 3 doses you posted were in regard to that) - you might want to push back the last dose to 2 or 3pm. Or it may keep you up at night. Your highest dose should be in the morning, and either the same or lower for 2nd dose, but lowest as your last.
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yeah, i'm going to take isocort. i read each pill "has" 2.5 mg of cortizone. my doc doesn't seem to be concerned about my adrenals and so i'm going to try some "to see what happens", but very small doses. So since I can't get the Rx stuff, at least not yet, I'm going to go with the isocort. i've heard the same things that equivalent amounts of Rx stuff is stronger since isocort probably has less than its stated amount.

did your doc Start you at the 30 dose???

i'm planning on weaning on and weaning off, being at the full dose of 20 mg per day for a somewhat short amount of time. I've read that anywhere from 2 to 5 months total on cortizone can be enough to repair the adrenals. i think i might wean up for one month stay at the top level for another month and wean try to wean down after that. do you know if staying at the 20 mg dose for a month would be too long? my recommended dosage sheet that came with my labwork indicates that it should be taken for 3 to 5 months.

thanks for the info, i will keep that in mind if i get discouraged with any part of the process.
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I hope you are still following this thread. My doc is about to start me of Cortef. Can you tell me what it has done for you? Thanks!!!
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yeah, i'm going to take isocort. i read each pill "has" 2.5 mg of cortizone. my doc doesn't seem to be concerned about my adrenals and so i'm going to try some "to see what happens", but very small doses. So since I can't get the Rx stuff, at least not yet, I'm going to go with the isocort. i've heard the same things that equivalent amounts of Rx stuff is stronger since isocort probably has less than its stated amount.

did your doc Start you at the 30 dose???

i'm planning on weaning on and weaning off, being at the full dose of 20 mg per day for a somewhat short amount of time. I've read that anywhere from 2 to 5 months total on cortizone can be enough to repair the adrenals. i think i might wean up for one month stay at the top level for another month and wean try to wean down after that. do you know if staying at the 20 mg dose for a month would be too long? my recommended dosage sheet that came with my labwork indicates that it should be taken for 3 to 5 months.

thanks for the info, i will keep that in mind if i get discouraged with any part of the process.
Meb,

I started out with 30mg hydrocortisone (rx) - from what I remember I did 20/5/5. Then I cut out the last dose & dropped the morning dose to 10 within a week, and then worked on lowering the other 2 doses a little at a time. I was actually losing weight at 20mg, but then started gaining as I weaned down. I've got to discuss that one with my dr. because I know it means something. I really don't know about the isocort and what's too much. But if you go to Curezone.com & look under the adrenal forums, there's alot of people who do use isocort who can help you more with that.

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I should also mention when I say weaning down, I weaned down in increments per week. Not per day. It's a very slow process. And towards the end it's often helpful to go back up in dose before going down again if there are difficult symptoms. I don't know how it is in regard to isocort though. The other website is full of lots of info.
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Old 05-12-2009, 07:22 AM   #115
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Loss of interest in daily activities (really have to push myself & not interested in socializing - this goes away when I'm thin! Nothing to do with mental attitude, it's all the hormone & blood sugar issues that affect your mood!)
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Finding the simpliest things overwhelming.
Internal shaking (like when you've had the worst scare in your life).

Memory problems & visual problems (I've pinpointed this to hypoglycemia)
Urgent need to sleep during day (this hasn't happened to me since I was on the last course of steroids last time)
Wow these are so familiar :O. I have all of this, except I don't really know about the physical symptoms. I don't have any pains, swellings or headaches, ever. Well I do have me getting pale and shaky at times. For example I never ride a bike anymore (always by car or on foot), because there were times I near fainted when I did that.

Also I have the night sweats recently.. could adrenal exhaustion be part of my problem?

And how do you get a doctor to take any of this seriously, ever? When I went to a doctor for candida I had to be extremely convincing to get a nystatine prescription, and I went today (different doctor) to ask to check me out for hypoglycemia, and met a ton of resistance. Finally she measured my blood sugar and it was 80 and she said "yeah kinda low but your symptoms are psychological, go see a psychiatrist."

Can I just go and ask for a adrenal exhaustion test? :/
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All I can say Jackvance is lose that doctor.

You can go different routes. If you are in a state that allows saliva testing (all but NY/CA I think) do the 24 hr saliva on your own. You can go to a naturopath, or find yourself an open minded endocronologist. Endocronologists however often don't except adrenal fatigue/exhaustion. It's either Addison's disease or your fine. A fasting cortisol level at 8am below a 10 indicates some kind of adrenal dysfunction. However, the lab has a different range of normal, so below that could be tagged normal. Just because you weren't technically hypoglycemic doesn't mean your cortisol wasn't low. You can have normal glucose & low cortisol. The two aren't always moving hand in hand. When I had my very low cortisol reading (3.7), my glucose at the same time was actually in the 80s.
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Jack, as long as you don't live in NY you can do the saliva test by mail. I think it's just under $100 and it tends to be cheaper than if you get it done through your doc unless your insurance is amazing and they cover it.

You might also want to get your thyroid checked out, adrenal fatigue and thyroid tend to go hand in hand. I think if I had told my doc I had a family history of thyroid issues then it would have been examined more closely (I don't have a family history of this).

It's sad that we live in a world where doctors don't listen to you

For adrenal fatigue you want to do the saliva test, NOT the one time blood test. It tests for cortisol and testing one time a day won't tell you how you are using it throughout the day. What if they test in the morning and your cortisol is normal but then plummets out of normal soon after? There's no way to tell with the blood test.

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and also the thyroid antibodies tests: TPOAb and TgAb
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Ok thanks for the advice. I'm intent on getting to the bottom of this now :P.

I bought a glucose level tester (for diabetics, heh) today, and I'm gonna use it in the upcoming days to see if I can detect any signs of hypoglycemia.

Also I'm gonna go back to the guy who helped me do a thorough blood/faeces/urine test for intolerances (not easy, had to send my stuff abroad by mail), and who sold me a bunch of dietary supplements, including probiotics, and brought my candida to my attention. He's mostly specialized in ADD/ADHD, but I hope he also know of a way to check out my adrenal levels and my thyroid functions. I don't live in the US you see and I'm not sure if there is a saliva mail test here in europe :P.

Also I'll do another test to see if a month and a half of nystatine has rid me of my candida (atleast it seems the eczema on my legs, which I've had for ages, has receded a ton - not sure what that means but it might be positive), and if it's still there, maybe more nystatine, or I might try threelac.

Anyway, thanks again for the help. I hope I can get some clarity about my situation soon
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Just thought I would post an update: I was up to 6 isocort tabs yesterday, being about 15mg of cortisol and I was definitely feeling better. Now whether it was a fluke or not is the question. Hopefully I will start to generally feel better over the next few days. I saw my mom a little bit yesterday and she said I was looking "perkier" so hopefully the cortisol is doing something.

I move up to 7 tabs today and should reach my final highest dose of 8 tabs tomorrow. I'll stay at the 20mg for a while probably - a few months.
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Just thought I would post an update: I was up to 6 isocort tabs yesterday, being about 15mg of cortisol and I was definitely feeling better. Now whether it was a fluke or not is the question. Hopefully I will start to generally feel better over the next few days. I saw my mom a little bit yesterday and she said I was looking "perkier" so hopefully the cortisol is doing something.

I move up to 7 tabs today and should reach my final highest dose of 8 tabs tomorrow. I'll stay at the 20mg for a while probably - a few months.
Meb,

I'm so glad it's working for you! Hope things continue like they are.

My update is that my fasting glucose was getting progressively higher. I even started taking Metformin, and some herbs that have always lowered by blood sugar, but nothing wasn't working. I was truly baffled, as metformin in the least has helped. But then it hit me about the night time hypoglycemia & all the night time symptoms I had been having. So last night I took a very low dose of hydrocortisone (I had already tried the night time snack multiple times), and sure enough, my blood sugar was normal this morning.

So because of the hypoglycemia, my liver was probably dumping a bunch of sugar in my bloodstream while I was sleeping, thus the high morning levels.

I now have proof for my endoc that all the highs I had prior to my period of hypoglycemia was actually all hypoglycemia. It's very reasurring to know that this is not about diabetes or prediabetes.

It kind of makes me wonder how many Type II diabetics are on insulin, when it actually may be an adrenal problem. Because my glucose levels weren't just high in the morning this time. I couldn't get them down all day. They weren't diabetic high, but my 2-4 hr fasting daytime levels were in the 120s (and wouldn't budge) as opposed to 90s prior. The morning of my highest level, I had actually gained 3 lbs. overnite. Hypoglycemia CAN make you fat! Or rather, that liver dump makes you fat!
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