Does acidic states cause cancer???

[carreont]

Last week I went to a Tony Robbins seminar to help motivate me in life. On the last day of the seminar he talked about your diet and stated that low carb diets are no good because your body will be in an acidic state and cancer grows in acidic states but will not grow in an alkaline state. He is a very motivated vegetarian. I have been low carbing for almost a year (right after thanksgiving) and feel great but I don't want to get cancer. Cancer is in my family. Anyone have thoughts on this?

Also, my husband was wondering why when we drink the same red wine my mouth and teeth turns a bluish color and his doesn't. He was wondering is it because of the acidity in my mouth.

[ItsNot2L8]

That's a curious statement, I wonder what research/studies he's basing that on. I did a quick Google and found mostly websites selling things, but the one statement that made any sense it that hydration is critical to pH balance.

My mouth will also take on a bluish cast after I have a few glasses of red wine. Here's an answer to that, which does seem to be related to the acid/alkaline question: "The color of a young red wine comes from anthocyanins, a category of plant pigments that makes roses red and cornflowers blue. For these pigments, the transition from red to blue can be instantaneous: like that final tug that turns a folded sheet of paper into an origami swan. All molecules have shapes and anthocyanins, like paper, are typically flat. In an acidic solution like wine, the pigment will be red, while in an alkaline solution -- saliva is one -- it becomes blue." So it would seem that your mouth might be more alkaline than your husband's, not more acidic.

[polarbear]

Tony Robbins may know about motivation but that doesn't make him an expert in everything. The mild acidic state produced by ketosis is benign. If you're blood were severely acidic, you'd know it. Anyway I think vegetarians hate LC'ing becuase they don't understand it. He probably thinks we live on meat and nothing else. Also you're not going to be in ketosis for the rest of your life. You should only be in that state during the weight loss phase.
Do what you think is best for your health. That's what Mr. Robbbins is doing.

John

[Stellar]

He may also be (typically) confusing ketosis with ketoacidosis. The one is perfectly healthy and benign, the other is dangerous for diabetics.

[LornaLee]

Do a search on Chlorella. Chlorella is alkaline and helps balance your body's PH.
LornaLee

[amaplay]

Actually, "inflammation" is the buzz word now among health practitioners, and from what I understand, low carb eating reduces that in your body. I remember being surprised when I read the Perricone Prescription, and the focus there is on skin, and sure enough he recommends what's basically a low carb diet because it reduces inflammation.

Maybe he is right for himself. For some bodies, vegetarianism might be a better choice. I really think that there must be different body types that respond better to different diets.

[Tater Head]

I've always heard cancer feeds off sugar, so lc would solve that issue.

[ixtapacheryl]

Get a hold of the book by Doug Kaufman - The Germ That Causes Cancer ...... Also I had heard that cancer feeds off of sugar and dead tissue....

[nonstickpam107]

I just finished my second week of radiation (hopefully my last, ugh). I have ovarian cancer. My GYN/oncologist INSISTS that all his cancer patients eat NO: sugar, bread, white foods, anything that turns to sugar. Why? Cancer feeds on sugar. I do NOT have cancer from being in an 'acidic' state, I have cancer from taking a drug (anti IgE drug..to try and help me with another disease I have...it did NOT work, but it gave me cancer).

What he is doing is just 'forcing' HIS opinion on you. And his own fears about cancer. And if he gets cancer, what will it be FROM?

Pam

[exactly150]

I am an RN, and I just posed this question to my son, who is an MD. We both know that there is something called an acid-base balance in the body. Your body CANNOT get alkaline, you'll die. That's why, when you see people "coding" on tv, the first thing they call for is "bicarbonate, please", because your body acidifies when you STOP BREATHING.
The delicate acid-base balance in your body was put there by God for a reason, so that every cell in your body will continue to function normally. He shouldn't speak if he doesn't know. Deb

[Tater Head]

Originally Posted by exactly150

He shouldn't speak if he doesn't know. Deb

My thoughts exactly, and just think of how many people he has said this too

[exactly150]

My son will not allow any of his patients to take vitamin supplements either, (he is an oncologist) because he says that, too, feeds cancer.

[nonstickpam107]

Originally Posted by exactly150

My son will not allow any of his patients to take vitamin supplements either, (he is an oncologist) because he says that, too, feeds cancer.

You RAWK, so does your son!! LOL And I now have a 'reason' why my list of 'please do not's' included giving up 'some' of my supplements. My GYN/oncologist is VERY VERY busy (I had to travel three hours to get one of these specialists) and I didn't think to ask him why (and didn't want to 'trouble' him).

Pam

[fawn]

interesting information here thank you. I think what is important here too is to make sure you include specific foods that are high antioxidants to fight free radicals such as "plenty of color and greens" blueberries, yellow red and green veggies/fruits and dark greens....

[budilove]

Am vegitarian and i do lowcarb And am liking it

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by exactly150

My son will not allow any of his patients to take vitamin supplements either, (he is an oncologist) because he says that, too, feeds cancer.

Now that is scary - I had never heard of that! My DH takes B1/2/6/folic because we heard that is good for your heart. Should he stop taking those?
What about vitamins?

I was also taking Magnesium because I thought that was good for your heart. Then it lowered by BP so much that I felt like I was going to faint all the time.... So I stopped and the palpatations stopped.

[Tater Head]

This is a very interesting thread.

I am being treated right now for a stomach ulcer, my Gastro doc had me bring a list of all the vitamins and meds i am taking. She looked over my list and ask me why are you taking cinnamnon,Magnesium,potassium etc. Need i say the list was long, about 15 things i was taking, mostly because i read about them on Lowcarb friends lol. I told her the cinnamon was because of the lastest research about helping with with blood sugar levels, she said "I know all about that study" and in my opinion it isn't conclusive enough to warrant taking cinnamon.

She put a check mark by all the vitamins I was taking and said "you don't need these anymore". She will let me take 1 multi and fish oil if I want to (her words). I got the feeling she doesn't believe in taking any supplements at all. She thinks taking the baby asprin daily and all these supplements I was taking might be part of the reason I got and ulcer. I also had H pylori show up in my blood work too, so it could be a combo of both.

[Beaglesaroo]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Now that is scary - I had never heard of that! My DH takes B1/2/6/folic because we heard that is good for your heart. Should he stop taking those?
What about vitamins?

I was also taking Magnesium because I thought that was good for your heart. Then it lowered by BP so much that I felt like I was going to faint all the time.... So I stopped and the palpatations stopped.

I think he should ask his doctor.

But what I'm reading here is that IF you have cancer already, you should not be taking supplements, because they'll 'feed' it. (and remember that Nonstickpam's doctor told her to stop taking 'some' of her supplements because of her cancer.)

[exactly150]

Right, let me repeat, my son refuses vitamins IF YOU HAVE A DIAGNOSIS of cancer already.
You know what my makes me take everyday? A big 'ole tablespoon full of Carlson's fish oil. He says that is the only fish oil that has no mercury in it, because it goes to the only approved FDA lab to remove it. It's expensive, around $40 a bottle, and it lasts my husband and I for one month. My hubby's total cholesterol level dropped significantly over the year, and his LDL are practically non existent since he has taken this stuff. Deb

[ixtapacheryl]

Gosh I remember the cod liver oil when I was a kid ..... guess you can acquire a taste for it (but I hate fish/seafood). I do take the Omega 3 tablets.

Thank you for the info on supplements. I'm beginning to believe that if you take a good multi-vitamin - and are basically a pretty healthy person to begin with - that's all a person needs. Think I'm going to cut back once I am done with all the stuff I have in my pantry.

[lalabella]

Originally Posted by Tater Head

I've always heard cancer feeds off sugar, so lc would solve that issue.

True dat! this is what it comes down to for me.
sugar causes acidity, and low carb is also good for those with acid reflux.

[exactly150]

Just one more thing - cod liver oil is recommended in the winter, when you're not out in the sun making vitamin D. The regular fish oil can be taken in the spring and summer, when sun is in abundance. Deb

[JONAH'S GRANNY]

Threadjack - Pam hope you are doing better. You have been thru a lot and have such a good outlook on things. Don't know what we would do without your help.

Taterhead - Sorry about your ulcer. Do you know how high your h pylori was? I went thru it earlier this year and I believe all the antibiotics I took made me feel even worse. Doctor told me that once you test positive for h pylori one would always test positive for it. I took the 14-day Prev Pac Tretment for my ulcer and h pylori along with Aciphex and Caltrate. Hope you feel better soon.

[Tater Head]

Originally Posted by JONAH'S GRANNY

Threadjack - Pam hope you are doing better. You have been thru a lot and have such a good outlook on things. Don't know what we would do without your help.

Taterhead - Sorry about your ulcer. Do you know how high your h pylori was? I went thru it earlier this year and I believe all the antibiotics I took made me feel even worse. Doctor told me that once you test positive for h pylori one would always test positive for it. I took the 14-day Prev Pac Tretment for my ulcer and h pylori along with Aciphex and Caltrate. Hope you feel better soon.

I took the cure 10 years ago, so I was surprised i still had signs of it in my blood. I have had 2 EGD scope down the throat test and I will go in for CT scan in December. I am taking 2 Protonix a day for now and feel much better. My duodemon was so swollen she couldn't get the scope through the hole the first time I took the test. I hope i didn't do this to myself with all these vitamins and baby asprin I was taking. I think just eating good geen leafy veggies and some berries from now on will be what I'll do. I wasn't kidding when I said she didn't think too much about all the vitamin taking we do these days is was even nessary.

[nonstickpam107]

Beaglesaroo, that is precisely correct. I am allowed to take my fish oil (but not the borage right NOW) @ 2000mg's a day, and I'm allowed to have my magnesium/cal (I've had a parathyroid adenoma and my blood calcium has been 'compromised' by the other TWO parathyroids not working properly and I have a magnesium deficiency). Otherwise, I'm to stop taking my 'multi' (and I use a powdered/encapsulated vitamin). I didn't take anything ELSE anyway, so I'm not 'lacking' much except the multi. My 'do not' list is for 'while' I am being treated for my cancer.

Anne, thank you for asking, I just finished up (last week) my 'hopefully final' radiation treatment. Time will tell if I need more treatment. Otherwise, I'm just trying to recoup some energy. But my thyroid is doing GREAT (ha ha..gotta be happy about something, don't I?).

And I'm 'NEVER' out in the sun doing anything much all year 'round. I have other autoimmune diseases that keep me out of the sun (and not surprisingly I don't have one wrinkle in my skin!).

Pam

[cnj628]

i have high liver enzymes and my doctor told me to stop taking the vitamin/mineral supplements i was taking. some vitamins/minerals and lightly researched "extras" in the pills could affect the liver. he felt that i get all i need from the food i eat and if i really do feel a need to take a supplement i should use a one a day like centrum.


anyway, he said "1/2 the people in the world need vitamin supplements and the other 1/2 take them"

[carreont]

Thank you for all of the replies. When he started talking about diet (he also said anything white was bad to eat) I was pretty much turned off because I have been eating this way for awhile and I feel and look great. From looking at his diet plan, he believes in fish oils, vegetables, no sugar, no meat, no butter and sprouted breads (????). I love my meat and butter. He even stated that cancer feeds off of dead animals and why would you want to eat anything dead. As he said that, I jokingly thought, I'd rather have my steak dead than alive but I kept my mouth close. Thanks again.

Also, that is interesting that my mouth is more alkaline than my husband.

[Janetv]

I have never seen acidic state listed as one of the causative factors for cancer. Tony Robbins might be speculating the link.

[Nigel]

sorry, nevermind

[belleadonna]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Get a hold of the book by Doug Kaufman - The Germ That Causes Cancer ...... Also I had heard that cancer feeds off of sugar and dead tissue....

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]I have been following Doug Kaufman for awhile now and there is alot of wisdom in what he says. I am trying his intial phase diet now as I have chronic sinusitus (migraines, stuffiness, infections, etc...) and I have always had a problem with yeast infections. I was given ALOT of antibiotics when I was a child and throughout my life. I was also an alcoholic. [/COLOR]