Eat Fat, Get Thin...March 12-18 Mon-Sun

[CarolynF]

Hi..

Starting us off..Nice to see some of our old friends on the last thread..

[sjl330]

Tater, in answer to your question on the old thread I went back and searched for this blurb that Kimmer always had in her siggy.

[COLOR="Blue"]"""The absolute rule is carbs are sugar. Good carbs or bad, they are all sugar. Your body will use the following in this exact order:
alcohol, then
carbs, then
protein, then
dietary fat, then finally
stored body fat

This is physiology and cannot be disputed. If you overeat alcohol, carbs, protein and dietary fat, then you won't lose body fat ... why would you?

If someone increases carbs and compensates by lowering calories (fat) it will "work" ... just as increasing calories (fat) and lowering carbs will "work".

It depends on what you want, where you're at psychologically and what you're willing to do to get it."""[/COLOR]


I hope this helps. I've upped my fat to 60-70% most days and I am doing fine. I didn't have alot to lose and it didn't come off fast but it's off and I didn't feel deprived and it's pretty easy to maintain as long as I keep my ratios in check. When I decided to try this plan I decided I'd do it exactly the way it was written for one month and then see where I was. Well, I did it and I lost pounds and inches so I kept on with it and now I'm at goal and am still doing it. I love this WOE and I think you probably will too. Do you use fitday to journal your food? If so, just put what you eat in there before you eat it and adjust anything you need to adjust to get the ratios right. If you don't use fitday I'd really encourage you to open an account and get started. It's free and I find it's invaluable to figure your ratios. I sure couldn't or wouldn't do it if I had to do it manually.
Good luck to you and I hope you post often.

Sandy

[sjl330]

Shelly,
I didn't realize you'd gone to the Phillipines. How long were you there? The massages sound wonderful. At that price I'd have at least one a day! Too bad you couldn't bring a bunch of CO back with you. What a deal. I need to look around and get some more. All I have is Walmart stuff and I read conflicting reports on how good it really is. I'm going to use it all up first though before I do.
Good to have you back!

[TuscanGirl]

[COLOR="Green"]Morning!
Marking my spot so I don't get lost again![/COLOR]

[summergirl]

Morning everyone.

I ended up losing 0.5 through the weekend and that for me is awesome. The weekends are my killers, we even had overnight guests and lots of eating out and drinking (of course ) and I still went the right way on the scale, amazing.

Heres to another good week!

I cant belive how dark is was when i woke up! I will love the extra sun at the end of the day though.

[DixieMoon]

Morning! Just checking in-- was down 2 pounds from last week. Now I'm off to fix a late breakfast which will be scrambled eggs with chopped ham and bell peppers and cheese with Diet-Rite tangerine drink for my OJ!

[Dharma]

OK here's another perspective on eating fat.

The case against getting energy from protein
We know, then, that dietary fats can produce all the energy the body needs, either directly as fatty acids or as ketone bodies. But, as there is still some debate about the health implications of using fats, why not play safe and eat more protein?

There is one simple reason: While the body can use protein as an energy source in an emergency, it is not at all healthy to use this method in the long term. All carbs are made up of just three elements: carbon, hydrogen and. oxygen. All fats are also made of the same three elements. Proteins, however, also contain nitrogen and other elements. When proteins are used to provide energy, these must be got rid of in some way. This is not only wasteful, it can put a strain on the body, particularly on the liver and kidneys.

Excess intake of nitrogen leads in a short space of time to hyperammonaemia, which is a build up of ammonia in the bloodstream. This is toxic to the brain. Many human cultures survive on a purely animal product diet, but only if it is high in fat.[xii] [xiii] A lean meat diet, on the other hand cannot be tolerated; it leads to nausea in as little as three days, symptoms of starvation and ketosis in a week to ten days, severe debilitation in twelve days and possibly death in just a few weeks. A high-fat diet, however, is completely healthy for a lifetime.

Perhaps one of the best documented studies is that of the Arctic explorer, Vilhjalmur Stefansson and a colleague.[xiv] They ate an animal meat diet for more than a year to see whether such a diet could be healthy. Everything was fine until they were asked to eat only lean meat. Dr McClelland, the lead scientist, wrote:
'At our request he began eating lean meat only, although he had previously noted, in the North, that very lean meat sometimes produced digestive disturbances. On the third day nausea and diarrhea developed. When fat meat was added to the diet, a full recovery was made in two days.'
This was a clinical study, but Stefansson had already lived for nearly twenty years on an all-meat diet with the Canadian Inuit. He and his team suffered no ill effects whatsoever.
Low-carb, high-fat diet and weight loss
There is just one other consideration: If you want to lose weight, the actual material you want to rid your body of is fat. But to do that you have to change your body from using glucose as a fuel to using fat – including your own body fat. This is another reason not to use protein as a substitute for carbs, as protein is also converted to glucose.

If you think about it, Nature stores excess energy in our bodies as fat, not as protein. It makes much more sense, therefore, to use what we are designed by Nature to use. And that is fat.

And,

If you are overweight, what is it that you actually want to lose? A silly question, you might think; the answer is simple: you only really want to lose fat. Right?

The point is that, to lose fat, you must get your body using that fat as a fuel; there is no other way. And the only way your body will use its stored fat as a fuel is if you force it to; and the only way to do that is to deprive it of glucose so that it has no choice in the matter.

There are two ways to cut your body's glucose supply: you either starve, which is what low-calorie dieting is, or you reduce just the carb content and make it up with fat. This latter approach has two advantages over the traditional calorie-controlled approach: it means that you no longer have to go hungry and, by feeding your body on fats, it will stop trying to find glucose and change over naturally to using its own stored fat. This is by far the easiest way.

We would die trying to eat only lean protein and no fat. Yes, if you ate HUGE amounts of fat you are not going to be able to burn it off. But the amounts recommended in EFGT are not excessive. Too little fat in the diet signals the body to burn something else - and we don't want to switch to burning protein or there go our muscles!!!

HTH

[Tater Head]

Originally Posted by sjl330

Tater, in answer to your question on the old thread I went back and searched for this blurb that Kimmer always had in her siggy.

[COLOR="Blue"]"""The absolute rule is carbs are sugar. Good carbs or bad, they are all sugar. Your body will use the following in this exact order:
alcohol, then
carbs, then
protein, then
dietary fat, then finally
stored body fat

it."""[/COLOR]


Good luck to you and I hope you post often.

Sandy

Hi Sandy, I have read that from Kimmer before, the part that bothers me is dietary fat is used first. If that is true, then how can this plan work, we are also eating more carbs on this plan as well. If what Kimmer says is true, then carbs first then the dietarty fat, "THEN" body fat is burned last

I am also just confused in general because I have been doing the Protein power plan and the Eade's say the opposite of what Barry says about protein intake. They do say at some point, you can't gorge on it and expect to lose, but they have me eating much higher amounts then Barry and they say not to worry if i want more then my minimum.

I don't do any plan well or I'd be at goal by now I'm just looking into this EFGT as something maybe I'll try. I have read so much from all the lowcarb diet books, I wish they would all just agree on what to do, it gets very frustrating when your not sure which plan to do. I did lose 30 pounds last year on PP but put back 10 of them, should change my avatar

Thanks for your help Debbie.....

[Dharma]

Hi everyone! Good to see all of you here.

Tuscangirl I am lactose intolerant too. But I can eat HARD cheese with no problem. It has very little lactose. Same with butter.

It really doesn't take much fat (volume wise) to get those numbers up there. By the time you eat eggs cooked in a little butter, put butter on your veggies, and eat fatty meats and maybe a little cheese you've eaten quite a bit of fat. EFGT doesn't really promote FORCING fat - it's just that our society is so anti-fat that many people have gotten completely paranoid about eating ANY fat.

I am struggling right now with my food. It seems I'm having some PMS emotional stuff that is kicking me in the butt. Just when I think I've got everything under control something throws me for a loop!!! I've decided to lower my carbs for awhile to make sure I'm burning FAT, not carbs. Hopefully it'll help with the cravings too.

Have a good day everyone.

[pinkpetals]

Hey all,
I've been a bit MIA for the weekend, but I am back now My weight has remained at 125, which is good-- the daily drop was getting to me a little.

Right now I am reading an Ann Louise Gittleman book about body toxins, so this week I am starting to detox my body. So right now I am working EFGT without toxins and I have started using Stevia... a year ago if someone told me I'd be doing this, I would laugh and eat my "healthy" ricecakes...

Lisa, for the PMS issues. Honestly, for pre-TOM I drop my carbs wwaayy down, up my fat and do a lot better. I have PMDD (had?, dunno) but now I am off of medicine for that because of this WOE (and Atkins, too)

I hope you all have good days !!

[CarolynF]

Hi..

Wow..you guys are up early..LOLO..Had to do some "other stuff" this morning..like laundry before checking in..

GREAT DISCUSSION..I love discussions like this..

I agree with Lisa..Really 60 percent fat is not alot of fat. An egg is about that without added fat..I love half/half in my coffee (sorry Sandy), and that really adds up the fat, too..add a piece of cheese and a bit of butter and olive oil..that's it..

What really opened my eyes about protein amounts that we NEED is that a person whose ideal weight is 150 only needs 52 grams of protein a day in their diet to be healthy..WOW..that is not alot compared to what normal Americans eat, is it? I think we have a distorted view of the protein needs..And, don't forget veggies and dairy have protein in it, too..and that all adds up.

What I have discovered about myself is that I cannot eat a large meal...(say
for lunch) and not EAT dinner at all..(or just have a snack). That large meal does me in because it's too much food at one time..and some of it is stored into fat..so, this week, I'm trying again to eat 3 smaller meals and 2 smaller snacks..all having some protein/fat in them..

Congratulations to our losers..that is wonderful....I had a bad night at the Mexican restaurant with chips Saturday night..so I'm trying to get out of the
141's..Yikes!!

[DixieMoon]

Anyone else having this problem? I'll think I'm really hungry and fix my meal - make a nice spring green salad with avocado a couple of grape tomatoes, topped with 2 tbs of full fat ranch or bleu cheese dressing and I'll have my couple small celery sticks with chive/cream cheese and a small slice of smoked chicken with skin or whatever on hand. Then I'll start eating and then I'm full and don't even finish the meal. Maybe I'm eating too much fat and this is dulling my appetite? What do you think? It's just weird before this WOE I could down a large cheeseburger, large fries -- no problem -- hey wheres the apple pie I thought I bought and I'd eat that too -- no problemo

[pinkpetals]

I think the loss of appetite is one of the beauties of this WOE--- of course, you should eat BUT your satisfaction meter had changed, for the better!

[sjl330]

Yes, I do find myself getting fuller easier. It's the fat, it's very satisfying and so you don't eat as much. IF you listen to your body. Sometimes I'm not such a good listener. If it's in front of me and I've already put it in fitday I usually eat it. That's really something I need to change.

Dharma, you posted a much better explanation on the fat burning than the Kimmer one I posted. I really don't understand exactly how it all works scientifically but I do know it works so I'm just going to keep on keeping on. Thanks for posting that.

Tater,
I do eat a little more protein than my body really needs to survive but I do make sure the ratios stay correct. That's probably why my calories are always a little high but if it works I'm sticking with it, and so far so good. And don't feel alone in having tried so many plans. I'm sure there's not one of us here who hasn't "done them all". It's just our nature I think.
Just hang in there.

[Dharma]

Hi again. I've been reading this free e-book today that Carolyn told me about, called Eat Fat and Grow Slim. Remember that one, Carolyn?? It was written in the 1950s I think, so some of it is outdated, but it's amazing how much they knew about what worked for fat loss and what didn't.

It helped me realize that I'm going about this the wrong way. I'm still thinking I have to seriously cut calories to lose weight. But I'm hungry a lot, and that won't work in the long run. I'm eventually going to eat to try to satisfy the hunger. It's biological....nothing I can do about it! So I'm lowering my carbs and upping the fat to eat until I'm not feeling hungry - not overstuffed but satisfied. And I'm just gonna see where the calories fall and see what happens. We've been so ingrained with the calories in/calories out mantra but I KNOW that's not really true. Many studies have confirmed that people put on the same amt of calories but different diets do NOT lose the same amt of weight. The ones eating lower carbs always lose more than anyone else. Eating fat without carbs tells our bodies to "burn fat - you gotta have energy!" but eating carbs tells us to "get that glucose outa here and store it quick!" I KNOW this but I'm not giving it a chance. Now I am.

I was still hungry after my salad for lunch (didn't eat breakfast, just had CO in my coffee), so I melted a TB of butter in a coffee cup and put 6 small baby carrots in it and ate it!! (Had to be creative). It was really good and made that gnawing feeling in my stomach go away.

Thanks for letting me ramble. I need to say it "out loud" so to speak to get it into my thick skull. I feel better already!!!

[summergirl]

Dharma, I am the same way. Even though my first week I averaged just under 1800 calories a day and lost weight...I still have this thinking that I need to start bring those calories way down. Why would I do that, I am losing at a great rate, I am completely satisfied with my appetite level and food choices.
This is a whole new ball game for me, eating 1800 calories a day with high carbs would have me putting on weight fast and furious.

The part I am having the hardest time with is not going over the protein limit. Its really easy to get in 60 grams of protein if you are not paying attention to it. I have decided to plan out my meals on fitday the morning of before i eat anything, that way there is no guess work, just eat what i have planned out.

I am loving this woe! I love how Barry also dosent make it the end of the world if you do eat a food thats 'off' plan. Eat is slowly, enjoy it and move on! Still plenty of reading to do.

Have a great day all!

[Dharma]

Yea Summer - I know what you mean about the protein. I think we probably have a little more leeway than I've been giving myself. After all, it's better to eat a little extra protein than extra carbs. I do weight train twice a week very intensely so I don't think 90 grams of protein - especially on training days - will hurt me!!

And, if I need extra protein one day to keep me from being hungry and eating sugar or bread or something, then so be it!! Way better for me to stay satisfied than to fight every day. It affects my mood too. Some people 'feel' better mentally eating carbs, but I've found I feel better, calmer, less agitated, when I eat fat and very few carbs. And I have more endurance for workouts. So even though I am not insulin resistance at all, my body just prefers high fat, low carb. I used to think I could eat more carbs because I have no blood sugar issues - but that just is not the case. I need to listen to my body!!

You're doing GREAT Summer. You are an inspiration.

[CarolynF]

Hi..

Yes, Lisa, I remember that free ebook..It was very interesting..Don't know if I still have it on my puter or not..

Each person is so different...BUT you shouldn't be hungry on this plan..Eat when you are hungry...I think Barry said if you get hungry after an hour or two, then you aren't eating enough at the previous meal..So, it's a self-balancing act.

And, Summer..you MAY be able to eat more than 60 grams of protein..just do what works for you..

Lisa again: When you were first on this plan, you were eating 2,000 calories and gaining weight..remember that? What were eating on that plan??? Just
curious..

Hi to everyone else..

[TuscanGirl]

[COLOR="Green"]

Originally Posted by Dharma

Tuscangirl I am lactose intolerant too. But I can eat HARD cheese with no problem. It has very little lactose. Same with butter.

I thought I could eat the hard cheese too - but I'm a lot better without it. Same for butter. So I've had to go back to margarine or spraying the pan in the morning instead of using butter with my eggs.

It's been harder to get my fat ratios up and therefore harder to lose!

Have you been LI long?
Any tricks to pass a long?

Summer - you are doing great!
I've discovered you can't watch everything! I've got to pick one thing - calories, fat, carbs . . . it's too hard to keep an eye on everything![/COLOR]

[summergirl]

Awww, thanks Dharma.

I feel very grateful to have found this thread and EFGT. I lost 100 pounds years ago very quickly using my own plan...which was barely eating and exercising like a complete maniac.

This woe is a dream compared to that. I also do not think I technically have insulin or blood sugar problems but I know how I feel eating higher carb and thats enough of a turn off for me. I hate being hungry and being obseesed with my next meal.

Could I ask what the average carbs are a day for you girls when you are trying to lose? I have had days as low as 20 but high as 80...I have been in ketosis the whole time...just wondering.

Everytime I read more of EFGT I have another hmmmmm moment, very interesting. I think I may look into some more books with the same general therioes of natural eating. I need to get the rest of my family eating better thats for sure, baby steps, baby steps.

[summergirl]

Tuscangirl, you are so right...I could drive myself mad trying to keep everything in the perfect percentages!

Carolyn, you are probably right about being able to eat more than 60grams. Just trial and error I suppose.


Its 80 degrees here, menatlly i am ready for summer but my thighs disagree

[TuscanGirl]

Originally Posted by summergirl

Its 80 degrees here, menatlly i am ready for summer but my thighs disagree

[pinkpetals]

Good morning everyone!!

Ugh, my morning isn't going so great... I don't really want to step onto the scale this morning-- last nigth was terrible...
After a good and normal day of eating + a lot of extra vegetables, DBF sat down to watch a movie last night. Well, he brought in a big tub of ice cream (SF ice cream, so I could rationalize, right??!! LOL) so he's a string bean, I've been feeling slim lately so we just both ate with two spoons until it was half gone!! I feel really really YUCK this morning... but oh well, today is another day.

OK sorry for that ramble, have a good one all and wish me better choices today!

[summergirl]

pink... dont be so hard on yourself, you are beautiful and at a fantastic weight so you can enjoy things like sf ice cream with the boyfriend once in awhile. You may have not have even been up on the scale and if you were it will be gone by tomorrow.

Morning everyone else that follows!

I was up 0.5 pounds this morning...my protein was a little higher at 97 so maybe thats why? I know a half pound is nothing to freak out about but I was soooo close to the 150's and thought for sure I would be there today.

These kind of mornings are hard because last night DH wanted to have 'cocktail' hour in the hot tub( I love coctail hour in the hot tub ), but I had ice water while he had his drinks.
I have to stop thinking of immediate cause, I know the long run is what I am after not just the instant gratification the lower number on the scale gives me.

Hope any of this makes sense, coffee has not penetrated the ol brain yet!

Have a great morning all!

[summergirl]

Hmmm, okay had a chance to think.

I think I had a lot of sodium now that I think about it..

my menu from yesterday

2 cups of coffee with 1 TBSP each heavy cream
2 eggs scrambled in 1 TBSP butter 2 sausage links with garlic salt
1 slice fontina cheese
1/2 cup plain whole fat yogurt with 12 almonds
4 ounces trip tip (very salty)
1 cup ground beef seasoned with salt (couldnt find my pepper!!)
4 spears of asparagus
20 black olives

Hmmm and now that I am looking at my foods it looks like I am really lacking the veggies. Any input from the experts are welcome.

I stepped on a thorn in the backyard yesterday and my heel is killing me so I am not sure about any exercise today and I am sticking with Mrs. Dash today.

[Dharma]

Hi everyone. Been busy this morning.

Carolyn I don't remember ever eating 2000 calories except when I was off plan completely! Seems I always count calories and maybe that's my problem.

Yesterday was great for me food wise and I felt satisfied. Here's my numbers:
Calories 1419
Fat 117 gr
Carbs 28 gr
Fiber 11 gr
Prot 71 gr

35 grams of the fat was coconut oil

I had a big fatty pork chop for dinner and it was sooooo good.

I'm down 1 1/2 lbs from the day before and I'm sure it's from lowering the carbs. I still ate a huge salad with avocado and 1/2 bag of green beans AND baby carrots. So I didn't have to forgo my veggies to stay lower carb.

Tuscangirl I've been lactose intolerant as long as I can remember. I can eat hard cheese and butter just fine. My DS14 has trouble with cheese. I cannot tolerate any other forms of dairy. Causes gas, cramping and diarrhea.
Even heavy cream which is supposedly low in lactose really messes with me. I've been NOT eating dairy for so long it really doesn't faze me. To get my fat up right now I'm eating coconut oil, more butter, and some olive oil. Doesn't take all that much!

You know, there's an article on Barry's website about whether we really need veggies at all!! It's interesting. I definitely don't think we "need" fruit. I eat very little fruit because a lot of it doesn't agree with me. I LIKE veggies though and they fill me up. Ya'll should read that article and see what you think. Let me know!

BBL
Lisa

[TuscanGirl]

[COLOR="Green"]

Originally Posted by pinkpetals

I feel really really YUCK this morning... but oh well, today is another day.

I know that feeling!!! It's usually when I vow to never eat _____ again!

Originally Posted by summergirl

These kind of mornings are hard because last night DH wanted to have 'cocktail' hour in the hot tub( I love cocktail hour in the hot tub ), but I had ice water while he had his drinks.

I love Malibu and Diet Coke - but have been drinking Diet Coke with a slice of lime. I feel like I'm having a "drink" but it doesn't mess up everything I'm working for. How can you make your favorite drink work?

Originally Posted by Dharma

I'm down 1 1/2 lbs from the day before and I'm sure it's from lowering the carbs. I still ate a huge salad with avocado and 1/2 bag of green beans AND baby carrots. So I didn't have to forgo my veggies to stay lower carb.

Tuscangirl I've been lactose intolerant as long as I can remember. I can eat hard cheese and butter just fine. My DS14 has trouble with cheese. I cannot tolerate any other forms of dairy. Causes gas, cramping and diarrhea.
Even heavy cream which is supposedly low in lactose really messes with me. I've been NOT eating dairy for so long it really doesn't faze me. To get my fat up right now I'm eating coconut oil, more butter, and some olive oil. Doesn't take all that much!

Lisa - Thanks for the info - I guess it's just like LC - once you get used to it, it's not that hard! I can have small amounts of hard cheese, but I'm not really sure how much - it's easier to just avoid it! Heavy cream is definitely out - as are lots of recipes with cream cheese! I'm going to miss cheesecake!

My new favorite it sliced avocado and salsa! I probably get half of my veggie requirement from that![/COLOR]

[sjl330]

HI all,
Just a quick drive by to say hi. I've been very busy planning our vacations but I'm about done. It's driving me crazy!!

[Dharma]

Hey Sandy.

Where 'ya going now??

I'm off til tomorrow. Have a good evening everyone. I'm helping a friend with bookkeeping tonight. She always pays me with wine!

But at least she doesn't have snacks too.

See ya'll tomorrow.

[CarolynF]

Hi kiddos,

I am slowing eeking back down after my disasterous Saturday with the nachos adventure..very salty and very carby..

Summer: You are doing fine..Salt can be a real problem..I have heard that people can gain 7 pounds by eating too much salt..Isn't that amazing??
So, that's why we are supposed to drink, drink, drink..water..

Pink:I have been avoiding LC ice cream..although I do love it..except the
after effects can be a little strong (growling, etc)..

MK: Are your kids home for break this week? Brett comes home on Friday.. And, if I overeat at night...I am miserable trying to get to bed..and wake up NOT hungry at all..I think my "digester" clocks out at 5:00 pm..

Lisa: Gosh..Opps..it was Addy who started EFGT and did it by the book and had 2,000 calories for a month and gained a bunch of weight..then went on LFL and took it off..Sorry..You are doing so very well...

Sandy: Planning vacations can be a bit frustrating..I love the website
tripadvisor that compares different hotels in each city..We use that alot when
we go places..It saved us from a dump in NYC..

Hi to everyone else..