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Old 07-20-2014, 06:39 AM   #1
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How to control your diabetes

Just feeling the need because I took my elderly friend for her quarterly visit to the diabetes clinic (I'm her medical advocate) last week and am still dealing with the frustration of their stupidity. Stupidity vs ignorance because ignorance can be taught and as Ron White says, "There ain't no cure for stupid." They *refuse* to read anything outside of traditional medical belief regarding diabetes and just write off people like Bernstein (and others) as 'quacks'.

So...let me get this off my chest even though I (and others) have said this repeatedly in various posts...
  • Diabetes is not caused by a bad diet, laziness or being 'fat'. It is genetic. If you have the genetic tendency/marker for diabetes, then your activity level, weight and the way you eat *might* lead to insulin resistance (IR) and diabetes...or it might not. Just because someone in your family has diabetes, it doesn't mean you have that tendency...and just because they don't, it doesn't mean you don't.
  • Diabetes CANNOT be cured. There is no cure. You can control it and you can eliminate or reverse many of the symptoms and neuropathies (depending on how long you've been out of control and how advance those neuropathies are)...but you will never be cured. Go back to a high carb WOE and over time you will become IR and show the signs and symptoms of full blown diabetes.
  • The medical community doesn't consider you a diabetic until your A1c is 6.5 which is ridiculous since that means your BG's for the previous 3 months have been averaging around 154. They consider someone prediabetic with an A1c of 5.5 (BG's average around 115). A nondiabetic's A1c will be around 4.7 to 5 which means BG's will routinely run under 100. So if someone's BG is higher than that it is an indication that they most likely are IR and on their way to full blown diabetes. Which is how they should be telling their patients. Instead they call it pre-diabetes, usually do nothing about it and leave the patient feeling as if somehow they've dodged a bullet. They haven't.
  • The medical community acknowledges and accepts that once a person starts taking a diabetic medication (like metformin), over time their medication needs will increase and, depending on their age when they are diagnosed as 'pre-diabetic', they will most likely need insulin to control their advancing diabetes.
  • The most widely accepted diet for diabetics is a low fat diet of 140-160gm of carbs per day. Which is most likely why they expect the diabetes to continue to advance. On this type of diet, you will not reverse your insulin resistance although you may slow down the progression a bit. That's not a guarantee either.
  • If you are serious about controlling your diabetes and reversing the IR and getting off all meds, then I highly recommend Dr. Richard Bernstein's "Diabetes Solution" (see below for a recap of his diet). His protocol is designed to reverse the IR which leads to diabetes...and unless you reverse that IR, you will most likely always need some form of medication to control your diabetes...and will need more as time goes along.
  • Fat is not your enemy. Carbs are your enemy. If you control your carbs and protein (per Bernstein who has been treating diabetics for over 35 years), then the rest of your diet will be made up of fat...which will be around 70% or so. High fat with low carb is not unhealthy. It is when high fat is combined with high carb that it becomes unhealthy and leads to obesity and other health problems.

Every time I get into a discussion with someone in the medical community about any of this, they tell me that it is not 'reasonable' to expect people to follow a diet that is as strict as Bernstein. If I ask them if it's reasonable for someone with a peanut allergy to avoid peanuts...or someone with celiac to avoid gluten...their response is "well, yes but in those cases, it can be the difference between life and death." Uh? Say what? It is with the diabetic as well! The only difference is that it's not quick! The diabetic gets to deal with years or decades of increasingly worse health but the end result is the same. A much shorter life span. They don't call diabetes the silent killer for no reason.

Sorry if I offend with this statement, but it's not that people *can't* follow this WOE for life...it's because they *choose* not to...which is essentially what the medical community is saying when they continue to advise a high carb diet and then prescribe medications to control the problems associated with eating those high carbs. Several have actually admitted that they don't prescribe a low carb diet because they know their patients won't follow it and they feel they have a better chance of getting them to comply if they're allowed to eat the carbs. So they're aiming for a lower standard from the start??

Bernstein's diet in a nutshell:
25gm or less of carbs per day with no more than 10gm at lunch and 10 at dinner.
Protein is limited to 1-1.5gm of protein per *kilo* of *ideal* weight because excess protein can also cause your blood glucose to rise/spike.
No snacking. Every time you eat, insulin is produced and a continual influx of insulin into your system is what contributes to the IR. So 3 meals and that's it. (Note: I find if I'm hungry mid-meal a BPC will quell that 'hunger' or even a craving without affecting my BG's)
Carbs are only to come from non-starchy (think green) vegies. Starches, grains, and starchy vegies are forbidden. So no peas, corn, winter squash, rice, potatoes, etc. All carbs are *not* created equal.
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Old 07-20-2014, 07:07 AM   #2
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Thanks for giving us the "down and dirty" about diabetes. Great post, Aomiel.
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Aomiel, I have a question for you. My neighbor's 11-year old granddaughter was just diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes. I said to my neighbor, "so her entire diet will change now, I hope she doesn't have too difficult a time with that." Her response was, "they treat childhood diabetes differently than adult diabetes. With childhood diabetes the kids can eat whatever they want, they just have to inject enough insulin before the meal or snack to cover the amount of carbs." Really? I never heard such a thing. They can eat anything they want? Do some doctors advocate this to your knowledge?
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Old 07-20-2014, 03:08 PM   #6
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Ronnie-

If that's true about children, it's certainly changed in recent years--and not for the better. About 30 years ago, I had two friends whose children were diagnosed as Type 1--one at age 6, the other age 7. Both received intensive education about diet and self care because the parents were advised that the child MUST be made responsible for his/her own health.

Both (in two different states) were treated similarly. They followed a very strict low-carb diet to keep their insulin needs at a minimum. I specifically recall how much the little boy missed fruit, but he followed his plan exactly.

My understanding is that eating what you want and 'covering' with insulin is the worst thing a diabetic can do.

If the protocol for children has changed, I suspect it's because parents are refusing to help their children be complaint with diet, and the doctors have given up. If so, that's terribly sad.
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If that's true about children, it's certainly changed in recent years--and not for the better. About 30 years ago, I had two friends whose children were diagnosed as Type 1--one at age 6, the other age 7. Both received intensive education about diet and self care because the parents were advised that the child MUST be made responsible for his/her own health.

Both (in two different states) were treated similarly. They followed a very strict low-carb diet to keep their insulin needs at a minimum. I specifically recall how much the little boy missed fruit, but he followed his plan exactly.

My understanding is that eating what you want and 'covering' with insulin is the worst thing a diabetic can do.

If the protocol for children has changed, I suspect it's because parents are refusing to help their children be complaint with diet, and the doctors have given up. If so, that's terribly sad.
I'm not sure I totally trust what the grandmother told me. I'm thinking she probably misunderstood because it makes no sense to me. It's doing a disservice to this child and her future health. Thanks for your response, Leo.
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I think recommendations have changed. We have a type 1 girl at my school and the school nurse (that is in communication with her doctor and parents) said this particular girl doesn't watch her carbs. She said (kind of disdainfully)' "Some parents are fanatical about their children's carb intake, but if they are already on insulin, it doesn't make a difference."
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Then this nurse is ignorant too! Yes, it may not 'matter' to BG level, which can always be controlled with insulin, but it 'matters' to the long-term health of the individual.

Many years ago, I had a colleague who was Type 1, and he like to drink alcohol and a sweet-tooth, too. He 'covered' his indulgences with insulin and kept his BG steady--and slowly destroyed his health in the process. That's when I learned (from a physician who was a mutual friend of ours) that 'covering' diet with insulin is a terrible practice, but a temptation for many diabetics. To teach a child that this is the way to manage the disease is almost child abuse.
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Dr. Bernstein started out treating his Type 1 diabetes with his protocol...and I believe he originally treated Type 1's and then went on to help Type 2's who also benefit from tight control of their diabetes.

Ronnie, they probably are telling this woman her Type 1 daughter can eat whatever she wants and then just adjust her insulin. The husband of a friend of mine had to have his pancreas removed a year ago. They struggled for months to get his BG's stable (mainly because of his diet). I actually gifted her with Dr. Bernstein's book and told her that he's been helping Type 1's for 35+ years. Her response after reading the book..."nobody can live like this and his doctor said he can eat whatever he wants, just adjust his insulin for those carbs" followed by "I think I'll believe what his specialists tell him over a 'book'".

Unfortunately, while there does seem to be some shift in the diabetes community to a lower carb WOE, they still don't get that we don't *need* these carbs (and still recommend too many and of the wrong kind) and that they contribute to a diabetic's dependence on medications and increasing progression (however slow) of the disease.
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Gina- To teach a child that this is the way to manage the disease is almost child abuse.
Or malpractice?
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Bernstein's diet in a nutshell:
25gm or less of carbs per day with no more than 10gm at lunch and 10 at dinner.
Protein is limited to 1-1.5gm of protein per *kilo* of *ideal* weight because excess protein can also cause your blood glucose to rise/spike.
No snacking. Every time you eat, insulin is produced and a continual influx of insulin into your system is what contributes to the IR. So 3 meals and that's it. (Note: I find if I'm hungry mid-meal a BPC will quell that 'hunger' or even a craving without affecting my BG's)
Carbs are only to come from non-starchy (think green) vegies. Starches, grains, and starchy vegies are forbidden. So no peas, corn, winter squash, rice, potatoes, etc. All carbs are *not* created equal.
So I was recently diagnosed with Type 2. I was put on Metformin and sent to the local Diabetes center. It was a complete joke. Told to eat 45-60 carbs for each meal, 15-30 carbs for each snack. I left with my new blood glucose monitor and started Atkins again. I also stopped taking the Metformin because even with 1000 mg a day I was completely sick to my stomach all day every day regardless of what I ate. And they wanted me to get up to 2000 mg a day. Right now my numbers are running in the 170's, but I've only been 5 days without metformin/doing low carb. I am planning to do this and see how my numbers are until I go back to the Endo mid-August. Considering my A1C was 9.7 and my blood sugar was 280 last time I was tested, I think the 170's are an improvement so far. I think they will go down more as time goes by.

I know I can do this as 10 years ago I was considered pre-diabetic and I did Atkins and lost 115 pounds and my A1C went back to normal. I'm hoping for the same effect this time and now know that I will have to eat this way for the rest of my life because if I don't, my blood sugar shoots right back up.


Aomiel, I'm in awe of your success. I'm about the same starting weight as you, how long did you it take you to get down to your current size?
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Aomiel, I'm in awe of your success. I'm about the same starting weight as you, how long did you it take you to get down to your current size?
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In actual fact, I lost about 60 pounds or so within a 3 month period, but I had long stretches in between (9 months to a year) because I'd 'give up on low carb'. I was fortunate that I never gained back what I lost while I went on my little carb holidays.

I noticed on my last round of Atkins that my BG's were not coming down and somewhere in there I discovered Bernstein. In January 2013, I started Bernstein and lost another 50 pounds in about 3 months, but my BG's came down within 4-6 weeks (again, can't remember time exactly but somewhere in there). Like you, I stopped taking my insulin because I was crashing (doc's advice was to eat more carbs...seriously?). By my 6 month A1c check, I was down to an A1c of 4.9. I started at 10.5 (or was it 13.5). You'd have to go back through my old posts to check cuz I'm too lazy to look up my logs.

I lost the last 10 pounds without even trying. I had planned on 150 being my goal, but somewhere in there, while refining my diet, I dropped another 10 pounds.

I think the reason I lost so quickly each time is because I have a tendency to watch my carbs and my calories. It's good practice for now because I start gaining if I go over 1500 calories these days.
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Hi! Thanks for posting this diet summary. It's so helpful!

I just found out I am insulin resistant. Kaiser mailed me a letter informing me that my A1C was 5.7, I was pre-diabetic and should lose weight. Helpful info, huh? I thought I'd at least get a call from a nurse, but nope.

Lucky for me I have a fantastic naturopath who is insulin resistant herself who is treating me alternatively. I've been doing low carb since April and she is in full support of my diet. She is very low carb herself. She has me cleaning up my low carb diet of all dairy and processed foods and has me testing my BG throughout the day (and loaned me Berstein's book).

I definitely seem to have the dawn phenomenon going on. My BG is highest two hours after I wake up (114) then drops in the afternoons to around 95. Although not a low blood sugar, it is low for me and I get all of the hypoglycemia symptoms and have to eat a snack. Aomiel, you suggested no snacking during the day, but if I feel I need a snack, but can't make a BPC at work, what is a good alternative? I've been choosing something high protein - a chicken thigh or can of sardines. Any suggestions you have would be much appreciated!

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Aomiel, I am new here but I've been doing VLC (25g carbs/day) for over 7 years now. That began one day when a few random BGLs were over 300! Right then and there I went LC. My postmeal BGLs came down but my premeals were still about 120 with 140 morning fasting. I continued to use my meter to eliminate offending foods and came down to the 80s premeal and about 100 - 110 post (2 hours is my highest time) with A1c in the 5s for the next 2 or 3 years. Then, for the last 3 years getting lax (but still LC) and with a LOT of stress in my life, A1c gradually went up to the 6s until last month it hit 7, an all time high in the years of LC. I almost decided to start meds (never have taken any this whole time). Instead, I tried once more resuming the orginal strict LC: NO snacking of ANY KIND, NO "little tastes" of starchy carbs, and NO eating the next meal before 6 hours had passed. Within a week, BGLs were 98-100 premeal, 110 - 115 post, and 105 - 110 morning fasting (mornings have always been high I believe due to cortisol). I'm sure my A1c will reflect my lower BGLs and I am no longer considering starting meds.
My experience with LC has convinced me of exactly everything you stated for how to control diabetes and prevent its progression. I, too, am appalled at both the medical "experts" and the majority of diabetics themselves. My cousin just had a quadruple bypass after years of taking meds and then finally insulin, eating his fill of spaghetti, cake, etc. Yet he still believes (or maybe chooses to believe) he is eating healthy because he eats oatmeal and fruits for breakfast and "whole" grain pasta and breads. He really just eats like anyone who doesn't have a problem with BG. His health continues to deteriorate and he has no interest in my LC suggestions saying his doc recommends this "heart healthy" diet which is hogwash. I highly recommend those with BG problems do NOT listen to the "experts" but instead read and follow Dr. Bernstein's plan as well as others who recommend LC -- the only regimin that will avoid progression. Otherwise, they will go the route of my cousin -- look around at the diabetics who "cover" their "heart-healthy" diets with meds and you can see the results.

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Aomiel: Thanks for the post. Just curious if you ever eat fruit? What is your normal breakfast like? I am pre diabetic and it is really hard for me to give up fruit so I do limit it to just breakfast. Just curious if any of you eat fruit or drink red wine?
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Aomeil-I know you are being bombarded with a bunch of questions but if you could please answer one more question? The protein part of eating how does Bernstein calculate how much a person with diabetes should eat? I do certainly need to purchase his book as you can see by my asking this question.

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Aomiel: Thanks for the post. Just curious if you ever eat fruit? What is your normal breakfast like? I am pre diabetic and it is really hard for me to give up fruit so I do limit it to just breakfast. Just curious if any of you eat fruit or drink red wine?
sarahtl, I don't drink red wine because it seems to raise my BGL and I'd rather use my carb allowance for something filling. I do not eat any fruit other than berries which are much lower in sugar than other fruits. Even at that I limit them to around 1 or 2 tablespoons of berries maybe once a week. Strawberries are also fairly safe if I limit them to 4 or so depending on size. I only eat them as part of my meal or as an immediate "dessert" after a meal since I won't snack. Then, testing my BGL about two hours later, it doesn't seem to go up much more than I would have expected for just the main course (meat and veggies). By the way, I avoid them at breakfast because mornings are particularly difficult for my BG and I have to do everything I can to bring it down to normal (under 100). My breakfast is one egg with one piece of some kind of breakfast meat, quite often I have spinach as well; if it's an omelet, I usually add chopped veggies.

I do have a couple of suggestions if you are missing the flavor of fruit: Try eating just a bit of sugar-free jam on a piece of LC bread (such as flaxmeal). My dh and I canned blueberries with Splenda and had them in flaxmeal muffins and on so many other things. He even made jam with them. You can also have a sugar free fruit flavored drink using one of the sugar free syrups thereby satisfying your sweet tooth and taste for fruit all at the same time and still stay LC!

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Aomiel,

Thank you for this post. I've learned a lot just from reading it and the responses. I was just diagnosed with type 2 and have an appointment with the nutritionist for diabetes counseling. I believe eating LC for life is the answer for controlling it but figure I'm going to get the opposite info at the meeting on Monday. I've been following Atkins induction since I got the diagnosis. Thank you for sharing the info about Dr. Berstein's plan. I am definitely going to read the book. I've been a bit overwhelmed and scared b/c I've seen how uncontrolled diabetes harmed some of my relatives. I don't want to go through those awful things.
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Thank you for this post. I've learned a lot just from reading it and the responses. I was just diagnosed with type 2 and have an appointment with the nutritionist for diabetes counseling. I believe eating LC for life is the answer for controlling it but figure I'm going to get the opposite info at the meeting on Monday. I've been following Atkins induction since I got the diagnosis. Thank you for sharing the info about Dr. Berstein's plan. I am definitely going to read the book. I've been a bit overwhelmed and scared b/c I've seen how uncontrolled diabetes harmed some of my relatives. I don't want to go through those awful things.
I was recently diagnosed with Type 2 also and had my appointment a week ago at the local diabetic center. OMG.. Yes, your going to get a bunch of crap information. I brought up Atkins because that's what I did 10 years ago when I was considered pre-diabetic to bring my BG back in line. The nurse at the diabetic center straight out told me never to do Atkins. I just listened to what they said and went on my merry way. I stopped taking my metformin, dropped my carbs way down and my BG's have been getting better by the day. Even my DH agreed that what they told me wasn't going to work for me.
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This thread is getting me angry. Why is one of the most educated and intelligent groups of people in our society i.e., those in the medical field, so ignorant when it comes to diet, especially when dealing with diabetes which is paramount to treating this condition? The field of medicine seems to cling to old beliefs even when new (and not so new) research shows otherwise. This is why it's so important to find a doctor who has an open mind, listens to you, respects you, doesn't talk down to you and treats you with a "you & I" team effort.
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My doctor is all for a low carb diet. My husband is diabetic and I cook a low carb diet and his BS is doing great. He has gotten it into his head to do a program called Telemove through the VA and the diet they want him to go on is loaded with the carbs he has been staying away from. Needless to say I am not happy and quite concerned about his diabetes. In the past he would have brown rice and fruit and some things that I knew wasn't good for him. He now wants me to incorpoarte more brown rice again and fruit and such because the blasted nutritionist said he shouldn't eliminate anything from his diet. He seems to not want to be around for his family I guess, because she is a nutritionist after all. I told him I will continue to eat the way I am which is low carb and working on sticking with carbs 25 and eating 3x's a day no snacks per Bernstein way.
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I was recently diagnosed with Type 2 also and had my appointment a week ago at the local diabetic center. OMG.. Yes, your going to get a bunch of crap information. I brought up Atkins because that's what I did 10 years ago when I was considered pre-diabetic to bring my BG back in line. The nurse at the diabetic center straight out told me never to do Atkins. I just listened to what they said and went on my merry way. I stopped taking my metformin, dropped my carbs way down and my BG's have been getting better by the day. Even my DH agreed that what they told me wasn't going to work for me.
Wow. That's awful. I'd think the nurse would be happy that Atkins worked for you and got your BG back to normal and suggest a repeat to get them back again.

I won't tell the doc or nutritionist that I'm LC. My DH doesn't think the traditional treatment will work either. His mother was diabetic and she ignored their instructions and took care of herself and her BGs went back to normal too.

Did you tell your doctor that you aren't taking your med? I took one dose of Metformin and was sick all night and the next day. I haven't touched it again. I'm already in pain most of the time from a disc problem. Life would be truly be miserable adding that med to the mix.
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Wow. That's awful. I'd think the nurse would be happy that Atkins worked for you and got your BG back to normal and suggest a repeat to get them back again.

I won't tell the doc or nutritionist that I'm LC. My DH doesn't think the traditional treatment will work either. His mother was diabetic and she ignored their instructions and took care of herself and her BGs went back to normal too.

Did you tell your doctor that you aren't taking your med? I took one dose of Metformin and was sick all night and the next day. I haven't touched it again. I'm already in pain most of the time from a disc problem. Life would be truly be miserable adding that med to the mix.
May I ask what dose of Metformin you were on? Metformin should be started at the lowest dose (which is 500 mg) so your body can get used to it before upping it as necessary. Also, did you take it with food? That's very important with Metformin. I've also read that the Extended Release (ER) version may be easier on your stomach as the medicine is slowly released into your system. Metformin is a good med that's been around for a very long time. It's also been found to be beneficial as a cancer preventative, unlike many of the other type 2 diabetes meds.
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I was prescribed two doses of 500mg Metformin a day. I took it with dinner and that was the last meal my tummy could tolerate well for a couple of days. I also read about the extended release version.
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Old 07-24-2014, 05:07 PM   #26
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I found the anxiety feeling that I had all night was almost worse than the actual tummy trouble. I don't know if that's a common side effect but I was fine before I took the Metformin. When the tummy trouble started, anxiety came with it. I couldn't sleep all night and felt awful. A day later the tummy felt better but I was still queasy. The anxiety left and I was emotionally calm and happy again.

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Old 07-24-2014, 05:36 PM   #27
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Wow. That's awful. I'd think the nurse would be happy that Atkins worked for you and got your BG back to normal and suggest a repeat to get them back again.

I won't tell the doc or nutritionist that I'm LC. My DH doesn't think the traditional treatment will work either. His mother was diabetic and she ignored their instructions and took care of herself and her BGs went back to normal too.

Did you tell your doctor that you aren't taking your med? I took one dose of Metformin and was sick all night and the next day. I haven't touched it again. I'm already in pain most of the time from a disc problem. Life would be truly be miserable adding that med to the mix.
I haven't told her yet. My next appt is Aug 22nd. But I'm also not taking the statins she prescribed for my cholesterol either. My total cholesterol is 215 and even when I was 75 pounds lighter it ran around 213. I don't think that is all that high.
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Old 07-24-2014, 06:38 PM   #28
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I don't think that we can be sure that diabetes can't be cured: I reversed my diabetes in just 11 days - by going on a starvation diet | Mail Online

... or that carbs are the enemy: A Low-Fat Vegan Diet Improves Glycemic Control and Cardiovascular Risk Factors in a Randomized Clinical Trial in Individuals With Type 2 Diabetes
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Old 07-26-2014, 01:41 AM   #29
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I will believe those 'cures' when the people involved die of extreme old age having eaten the SAD for decades and never seen BG above "normal" levels. I believe, in the case of T2 with IR, I do believe those WOEs significantly reduce IR and allow their bodies to function at more normal levels. But, in a year or two or five, I suspect things will get complicated.

Why? Because I think I did it.

In 2011 I was 50 pounds overweight and had all the symptoms of diabetes or severe IR (cravings, physical & unpleasant reaction to sweets, weight gain whatever I ate, energy highs & lows I now recognize as hypers & reactive hypos). My doctor would not test me and I did not know I could by a kit and test myself. Late 2011 I started LCHF, lost 7.5 pounds and - as had happened several times before - stalled. January 1, 2012 I incorporated JUDDD (alternate days eat around 500 calories one day, over 1500 the next). My bod loved that. I lost 50 pounds at 2/week steady and sure.

At around 25 pounds lost most of the IR symptoms were gone and I realized I could test my own BG. Bought a kit and did the pre-meal, 1 & 2 hours post meal testing. Completely normal BG - 70s (mg/dl) pre, 80s post.

Late 2012 I called goal at 125. Spent over a year eating low cal from time to time but basically I could eat anything and my weight stayed around 125. It was amazing. I think I experienced one of those 'cures'.

Late 2013 the BG symptoms came back. Tested my BG. One hour after eating 1/2 small potato I was at 279. Went to the doctor and demanded an HbA1c test: 5.9.

Since then I have eaten LCHF and have very good control (all tests under 120 mg/dl). I lost another 5 pounds when I started LCHF. Then another 10 when I developed egg and peanut sensitivities.

Life has been too busy for alternate day fasting, but things are calming down and I plan to start again because I do believe it is healthy for me (of course, this will be done while eating LCHF foods and monitoring BG closely).

I think I was 'cured' and, within a year of close to SAD eating, my genetic tendency to uncontrolled BG was back full force. I don't think there truly is a 'cure' - this is just the way my body works. My job is to be aware and maintain that control.

2013, eating whatever I wanted and seeing 125 on the scale every morning sure was fun though
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I did not "lose" weight. I evicted it. It is gone and it ain't coming back!

JUDDD cares about calories. JUDDD does not care what you eat. Your body probably does.
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Old 07-26-2014, 05:44 AM   #30
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My sister has Type 2 diabetes, and she was on three meds but without good BG control--and then began experiencing diabetes-related eye issues. She was very overweight, and this scared her into WLS.

Within 3 months of surgery, she was off all meds. Gastric bypass has been known to 'cure' Type 2, but she had a gastric sleeve--different operation. Her internist told her that she wasn't 'cured,' but 'controlled.' He said that the test of 'cure' is a 3-hour glucose tolerance test. The gastric bypass patients show that their bodies handle sugar normally on this test--and they are considered 'cured.'

For everyone else, the goal is to get off meds. With WLS, it's the very small portions that help, along with the fact that post surgery all patients are instructed to get their protein requirements in first. This is most filling so they eat very low carb automatically.

My sister asked her doctor about this issue of 'cure' vs. 'control' because she has been in other medical settings (e.g., her colonoscopy) where nurses, and even physicians, who learn that she's off meds tell her that her diabetes is 'cured.' It's not. If she were able to eat as she did prior to surgery, her BG would again be out of control.

It's sad that medical personnel are so ill-informed about this issue of 'cure' because they may mislead controlled Type 2s.
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