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Old 02-21-2008, 11:38 AM   #481
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Hello Karyn, Mountain Girl and Dreamerdee
Thank you all so much for taking the time and giving me all that helpful information. What you all said makes a lot of sense. I will keep lowcarbing and try and try to keep this monster under control. I guess it was wishful thinking on my part that once you get off meds and have stable blood sugar you could be cured. But I guess I need to watch what I eat for the rest of my life. At this point it is very important to delay the complications of diabetes. One thing I am experiencing is verrrrrrrry verrrrrrry dry skin on my feet, legs and now my face. My legs and face have little patches of dry skin that is still noticeable after applying cream. Now my question is this if I do lowcarb for life,exercise, lose weight and get my sugar under control, is there a good chance that I will not develop the complications associated with diabetes???
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Good News

I went to a local health fair yesterday and had my finger pricked. My sugar was 93 I was so surprised and so happy. This means alot to me, especially since I had eaten and just come from the gym. I am not afraid now to go to the doctor in April to see if it has gone down. I was getting discouraged because I haven't lost any weight since the end of November, first of December, but my sugar is normal and that is something to be thankful for.
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That is THE question! A family practice doctor that I saw for several years used to say that I was her "poster child" for doing diabetes right. I was losing weight with low carb, which I did need to explain to her included many vegetables, and keeping blood sugar well controlled, exercising, etc. Her thought was that the later complications would likely still come along,(but not as soon or as severely) and that after some years I'd probably need insulin, etc. She was helping me keep my blood pressure well controlled, and all my "numbers" just where they should be. She thought that no matter what you do, it kind of slowly but surely starts to advance.

I don't totally disagree with her, but I think the traditional treatment of diabetes has led to that scenario. I don't think there has even been any long term look at how full tilt healthy low carb and other positive life style changes delays or eliminates that slow creep to poor health and multiple system failure. I have been diagnosed for about 8 years now and so far have not had any of the complications. I am checked regularly, so I would know if they were starting to occur. The main things I keep check on are eye health (dilated eye exam annually), A1c and random daily readings, blood pressure, kidney function, and skin sensitivity to be aware if neuropathy is starting.

I try to read up on new info as it comes out, and be open to various outlooks. But the bottom line for me is "how does it affect my blood sugar levels?"

I hope that in the future the ADA will strongly adopt a more low carb point of view in advising newly diagnosed diabetics on best practice food choices. I hope they will revise their guidelines to encourage diabetics to aim for an A1c level that matches the level of people without diabetes. I hope that new treatments will emerge that help more with insulin resistance. For now, I do what I can to help myself, and to encourage others to do the same.
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I know what you mean about the ADA. If I ate their way, I'd be one big sugar cube. Even at that health fair yesterday when I stopped at the diabetic information stand -- I talked to the lady there and started telling her my story and when I said low carb and mentioned the foods that I eat (like, cream in my tea vs. milk), she immediately jumped in and said, "Well, we don't advocate that."

I am lucky that the doctor I currently have supports low carb and even told me to do it if I want. Prior to seeing him, I had done all sorts of diets from calorie counting/carb counting to Atkins and back. But when he said that to me, it was a blessing. I do like the simplicity of Atkins. But with this stall that I'm in, I'm wondering what I need to tweak or if I am one of those people who may need to watch their calories a little closer. I don't know. I mean, I do need to lose about 40 more pounds. But wow...my sugar is good and that makes me happy. I am not on any medication except for my estradiol that I put on my legs, so, I am very fortunate.

Anyone else out there get into a long period of no weight loss? What did you have to do to change it?
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I was not losing either so I lowered my carbs to 10-15 grams a day and I started to lose. Once I finish all my veges, I am planning to go on the Atkins 72 plan for a few weeks
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The "Fat-Free Fallacy:" Is It Obesity's Great Enabler? - Diabetes Health

The "Fat-Free Fallacy:" Is It Obesity's Great Enabler?
Jamie Bailes, MD
21 February 2008



Obesity in the United States is increasing in epidemic proportions.
This is true in children as well as adults. It's estimated that the
healthcare costs associated with obesity and its related complications
will exceed $130 billion this year.

If something is not done to stem this burgeoning tide of obesity, then
the healthcare system that we know will soon crumble.

Why are we seeing this dramatic increase in childhood obesity? It is
certainly true that children are not as active as they were 30 or 40
years ago. Television, video games and computers can entertain kids 24
hours a day. Parents are often relying on technology to babysit their
children and are not spending as much time outdoors with them
exercising or just playing.

Is this the only reason for the surge in obesity? As a pediatrician
who specializes in childhood obesity, I see many children who are very
active but they are also massively overweight. What about these
children? I believe many of these children are victims of what I like
to call the "fat-free fallacy."

Scapegoating Fat Backfires

In 1977 the U.S. Department of Public Health issued a statement
encouraging Americans to eat less fat. In 1988 the U.S. Surgeon
General recommended that we restrict our consumption of dietary fat.
The assumption was that as we eat less fat the thinner we would
become. The multi-billion-dollar food industry was quick to jump on
the bandwagon. The race was on to produce fat-free everything. If food
didn't have fat then it was OK to eat as much as you wanted.

Americans consumed more fat-free foods in the 90's than the previous
three decades combined. This fat-free philosophy is exactly why we are
becoming so obese as a society. Obviously if fat were the problem,
then obesity would have decreased during this time. Instead, obesity
did not decrease but skyrocketed to unprecedented levels.

But fat is not bad for you. Being fat is. The two are not related! Fat
actually helps to satisfy our appetites and keeps us from eating too
much or too often. Fat is also an important flavoring for food.

I, too, was a victim of this fat-free fallacy. I had been taught
(brainwashed) that in order to lose weight we must eat less fat. I was
a huge proponent of cutting back fat intake and watching total
calories. I recommended at least 30 to 45 minutes of vigorous exercise
daily.

I knew that it was very hard to lose weight. I didn't push overweight
children to lose weight, thinking that if they could just maintain
their current weight as they grew that would be significant progress.
I felt like I was doing a good job. I believed whole-heartedly that I
was explaining to these children the correct way to lose weight.

An Eye-Opening Study

In the late 1990's, a first-year pediatric resident physician at
Marshall University did a required research project in which he looked
at about 100 children whom I had counseled about weight loss. The
results were astonishing to me. Not only did these children not lose
weight or even slow down their weight gain, most gained weight at the
same rate and some even faster.

The results did not lie. All of this time and energy that I had been
spending to help children lose weight had been a waste of time. It
just didn't work. A low-fat diet only worked for about one out of
every 25 patients. Was this the best we could do?

I was determined to succeed. I began to look at other ways to lose
weight. A third-year medical student at the time asked me about using
a high-protein, carbohydrate-restricted diet for weight loss. At the
time I knew very little about approach. This was not something that
was taught in medical school. I couldn't believe that this would be
successful or that it could be good for you, so I was very skeptical.
How could eating high-fat foods not be bad for you? This is what I
learned in textbooks from professors in medical school.

However, I still could not ignore the facts. We had cut back our fat
intake and yet we were becoming fatter as a nation.

Low Carbs Make a Case

I researched and relearned the physiology and biochemistry behind
low-carb diets. As I began to take a closer look, my findings were not
what I expected. It all came back to insulin. Insulin is what causes
fat storage. Insulin is what drives weight gain. Insulin is what is
secreted when we eat carbohydrates. Insulin is one of the most
powerful and efficient substances that our body uses to control the
use, distribution and storage of energy. Insulin is essential for
life. Without insulin, we would quickly waste away and perish. Just
ask the teenager with type I diabetes who has been hospitalized for
diabetic ketoacidosis because of not taking his or her insulin.

Let's look at what happens after a meal that is high in carbohydrates.
Carbohydrates are broken down into thousands of molecules of glucose
that are quickly absorbed through our small intestines into our
bloodstream. Our body has the ability to monitor this rapid rise in
blood sugar and quickly secretes insulin to counterbalance this. This
is true if we do not have diabetes. Our nervous system keeps our blood
glucose levels very steady no matter what we eat. These values almost
never get above 120 or less then 70mg/dl. This is true whether we eat
a meal that consists of pure sugar, a meal loaded with complex
carbohydrates, a meal consisting of only protein or fat, or when we
have fasted for two or three days. Almost all of our cells use glucose
for energy.

Our bodies are extremely efficient energy machines. Only a small part
of what we eat is actually used or needed by the muscles or other
cells for energy. If these energy-using cells do not need any extra
energy what happens to the majority of the glucose that we ingest?
Insulin converts a portion of that glucose to another starch, called
glycogen. Glycogen is stored in the liver and can maintain our blood
sugar levels in the normal range for several hours after a meal. This
is why we do not have to eat continuously. Glycogen can quickly be
converted to glucose whenever glucose is not readily available in the
bloodstream.

Why Low-Fat Diets Don't Work

What about the rest of the glucose? Where does it go after a meal?
Herein lies the answer to why most low-fat diets do not work. The
extra glucose is converted to fat. Fat is our main storage area for
energy. Let me say this again: insulin promotes the production and
storage of fat. That's right, even without eating fat our body
produces fat from sugar.

Insulin is an extremely efficient hormone. It is the master hormone of
our metabolic system. Its most important function may be the control
and maintenance of our blood sugar, but insulin performs a myriad of
other activities. In the appropriate amount, insulin keeps the
metabolic system running smoothly and everything in balance.

However, in great excess it becomes a dangerous hormone wreaking havoc
through the body. Mountains of scientific evidence implicate insulin
as the primary cause or significant risk factor for high blood
pressure, heart disease, arteriosclerosis and high cholesterol. It may
also have a causative role in type 2 diabetes.

With type 2 diabetes our body needs extra insulin to help to maintain
our blood sugar. The insulin that is available just does not work as
well and we become resistant to its effects.

With type 1 diabetes we have a little different story. Our body can no
longer make the insulin that we need therefore we have to take
manufactured insulin to maintain our blood sugar. More carbs equals
more insulin.

Teenage girls with diabetes know that insulin causes them to gain
weight. Many recent studies have shown that in order to keep from
gaining weight a very high percentage of teenagers with diabetes omit
their insulin. We cannot continue to allow this to happen. This leads
to uncontrolled diabetes and horrible long-term complications.

More Protein = Greater Insulin Control


So, how can we control our insulin requirements? The key to good blood
sugar control, the key to weight loss and the key to lowering our
insulin secretion is very simple. Eat fewer carbohydrates and eat more
protein.

Protein keeps us from being hungry. A meal high in protein stays with
us a lot longer than a meal high in carbohydrate content, which is
quickly absorbed and does not satisfy our appetite as long. When we
eat protein our body does not need as much insulin. Our blood sugar
values are much steadier and we do not have the wide fluctuations that
we see with high carbohydrate foods. This dietary approach works
whether you have diabetes or not. It is perfect for anyone who is
overweight or has type 2 diabetes. Type 1 people with diabetes can
benefit by improved blood sugar values and lower insulin requirements.

I have seen hundreds of children actually lose weight with our plan.
Eight and nine year old kids have lost 40 to 50 pounds. Obviously, the
health benefits are tremendous, but the greatest improvement is what
we see with self-esteem. Children's energy and blood pressure improve,
and their lipid profiles universally improve. Before-and-after
pictures of these successful children can be viewed on our website
www.nomorefatkids.com.

In general, the fewer carbohydrates we eat the better. However, we
should get a minimum of 30 grams of carbohydrates per day. The
standard approach of 60 to 75 grams of carbohydrates per meal and 30
grams per snack is way too much. If you do not want to restrict carbs
to 30 grams per day, then somewhere between 60 to 100 grams per day
will still allow for weight loss if it is combined with exercise.

Remember: Eat all the protein you desire. Do not worry about where the
protein comes from or how it is prepared. People who eat more protein
end up eating fewer total calories. Protein keeps us from being hungry
and satisfies our appetite more than any other macronutrient. This is
the key for successful weight loss. It is hard to lose weight if you
are hungry all the time.

Dr. Bailes is a pediatrician at Marshall University in Huntington, W.
Va. He has developed a successful weight loss program in his book, No
More Fat Kids: A Pediatrician's Guide for Safe and Effective Weight
Loss. It is available at www.nomorefatkids.com
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Hello Karyn, Mountain Girl and Dreamerdee
Thank you all so much for taking the time and giving me all that helpful information. What you all said makes a lot of sense. I will keep lowcarbing and try and try to keep this monster under control. I guess it was wishful thinking on my part that once you get off meds and have stable blood sugar you could be cured. But I guess I need to watch what I eat for the rest of my life. At this point it is very important to delay the complications of diabetes. One thing I am experiencing is verrrrrrrry verrrrrrry dry skin on my feet, legs and now my face. My legs and face have little patches of dry skin that is still noticeable after applying cream. Now my question is this if I do lowcarb for life,exercise, lose weight and get my sugar under control, is there a good chance that I will not develop the complications associated with diabetes???
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[COLOR=DarkOliveGreen]I don't know if any of us have the answers to all the questions and the best we can do is practice what we know is good for us and limit or avoid the things we know aren't as good for us. Even if we were 100% healthy and not diabetic, life throws unforeseeable curves our way. Personally, I'm going to go on the hope that as long as I keep my weight and my glucose, etc. in as healthy a range as I can achieve--whether by diet or by using meds--that I can stave off the complications as long as possible.

As for your skin being dry... Do you take any vitamins or supplements? I started experiencing really dry skin on my legs and feet, and my hair seemed to be thinning some (I have always had really thick hair so this was unusual!) as my body "adjusted" to the low carb, I guess. I read a thread in the main lobby about people having similar problems and good results with hair, nails and skin by taking Biotin. I have been using it for about a year or so, and while I do still get dry skin, it isn't as bad for me as it seemed before taking it. I moisturize often with a good body lotion too; I apply it to my skin after showering.

Hang in there and let us know how you're doing. If you're losing again after dropping your carb intake sounds like you've hit on a positive note. KUTGW!
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Mountaingirl. I was reading your Dr. Bernstein's excerpts on line. One of the no no's is tomatoe paste and tomatoe sauce. What, no spaghetti? I love Italian food and it's all based on tomatoes other than the alfredo sauces. Do you adhere to this? I've been a diabetic since 2004 and have never been as depressed as I am now. Granted until I started Atkins again my bs readings were out of control. Sort of the yo yo thing. I am only doing metformin and glybiride in the evenings because if I go to bed with a 102 reading I'll wake up with a 116-119 reading. I've been told it's the predawn phenomenon(sp?). I can't get the weight off this time and not even inches are coming off. I hate diabetis.
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Juanita - I am right there with you - very depressed about it. I am trying to get in to see a endocrinologist but it may take till May -? My blood sugar is very high (in the 200's) in the morning? I take one glimepiride with breakfast - hate this crap..........
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I've never been in the 200's fasting. I am on the Atkins diet and have come down considerably in my readings. But that is as long as I'm on strictly vegies and protein. Like I said before, I do take 850gms metforming and 1.25grms of the glyburide at bedtime which helps in keeping the readings down. But without it it goes up 11 to 20 points overnight. I've read where so many people have gone off the meds completely with the Atkins. I hope I can do same some day. For now, I would like to get some of this weight off. I think I'll cut down on some of the vegies-say 10-15carbs? I'm also taking the cla/gla combo. Some say it has helped them a lot. They've taken quite a few inches off even though they have not lost weight.
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Hi all!

I've been lurking in LCF for a while and only posted a bit up to now. But, now I've found this thread and think I need some encouragement/advice from others here.

I have been feeling depressed and a little out of control for a few weeks now. I was diagnosed as pre-diabetic almost a year ago. My doc actually told me to do low-carb although he did suggest South Beach and I prefer Atkins. I had previously lost 65 lbs on Atkins....and have sinse gained 24 lbs back. Anyway, I immediately went out and bought a BG monitor at Walgreens and started checking my numbers. Mostly just in the morning before breakfast and then maybe in the afternoon when I got home before dinner. For 6 or 7 months I kept my morning numbers under 100. I stopped checking my numbers in December right before my son's wedding...just another thing to stress me out at an already stressful time of year. In January, I started going to Curves to help get the rest of the weight off. Nothing happened in the first month. NOTHING. I only lost 1 lb the second month. Then in February I realized I was having more episodes of light-headedness, internal shakiness (not sure how else to explain it) headaches and just overall yuck. I pulled out my meter and tested during one of these times and found my BG to be over 100...about 104/107. I first thought, wow I'm really sensitive to my BG going over 100. I started testing again in the mornings and I have not had a morning BG under 100 yet. I can't get it under 100 during the day either. I even had one reading of 194 after eating. I was freaked! I am doing Atkins/Bernstein for my low-carb. I'm running 20-27 carbs per day and anywhere from 1200 to 1800 calories. I'm keeping track of my BG levels after meals and keeping track of what I'm eating so I can show my doc when I have my yearly physical on 4/1.

So, I really don't want to add any meds to my regimen. I already take high blood pressure meds, allergy meds, migraine meds. On the other hand, I don't want to burn out my beta cells any faster than necessary and if I can't get my numbers down on my own, meds are an option. Then, there's the whole weight loss thing. I've heard folks say metformin can help with that and I'm all for getting this weight off my middle.

Sorry this has been so long, but I could use a little help. I'm off to church in a few minutes so I can't be here for a while, but hopefully someone will have something for me when I get back. TIA!!!
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Hi, Scottishmoggie! I'm a Celt, too! Welcome.

I am still learning myself. I have managed to get my glucose down from 108 (after a 14 hour fast) to 93 after having eaten two meals and I am not on any medication (except my estradiol). I lost the bulk of my weight on a good calorie-counting/whole foods type of diet, then switched over to Atkins to break a stall. Now, I'm in another stall... On the other hand, I have lost inches...I don't have my total breakdown at the moment but I do know that I lost 11 inches since September when my gym measured me in January.

It's good that you are at Curves because at least you are moving. It would also help you greatly if you got 30 minutes of cardio exercise in every day. Cardio doesn't help (or so I've been told by many) until you've done it for at least 20 minutes. Thirty minutes is ideal. Some do more than this but people exercise for different reasons. The Metabolic Syndrome is what brought me to the gym...and it has improved my health greatly. I was first put on a betablocker by one doc; my new doc immediately took me off of it but kept me on the hydrochlorathiazide (HCTZ - a diuretic) last April. By October, he took me off of the HCTZ and said I could do Atkins if I wanted to. So, I did. But I have not lost that much, and gained when I climbed the ladder, rungs, whatever...so, I am back on Induction and am figuring out what to do next. I have to make that decision because everyone's body is different and not everything works for everybody. And, like you, I have another doctor's appointment in April, so I hear ya...

But do try to get in that cardio; it makes a big difference. Feel free to PM me if you want, lassie
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Here is the link to an article I found and it may be helpful (or not -- I don't know yet) to those of us who are pre-diabetic or diabetic.

Low-Carb Diabetes Diet - Prevention.com
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Thanks for the welcome Goodcelt!

You know, I love going to Curves for the strengthening, but yeah the cardio is a little lacking there for me. I do however have two little mutts that absolutely love to go for walks. Now that it is starting to warm up some here they may get more opportunities to drag me down the sidewalk!

My family history is full of diabetics and the ones who have done well are the ones who have walked. Every day. I guess I should start taking the hint.

I wish I knew what sent me over the 100's, but I will probably never know. My goal now is to get it back down and keep it down.

Thanks for the link. I'm gonna have to look at that some more.
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[COLOR=Blue]Hello, hello!

Whenever I've been testing consistently high in the mornings, it usually means I'm eating too heavy on "bad" carbs for hours or even days before... We should be getting the bulk of our carbs from veggies--and fruits, if your glucose can handle them, and anytime we supplement with foods our body doesn't process well, the effect eventually trickles down to what we see on our meters--at least that's what happens for me.

If you are eating 20-27 carbs a day, how are you getting them? And are those full carbs, or are you subtracting fiber? While I do subtract fiber, I still have to watch my carb intake because even eating the good-for-me carbs, the closer I get to 30, the more I will see it reflected in my testing.

You might try taking your carbs a little lower... like induction levels, if you can, and see if you don't start seeing better readings and perhaps a jump-start to your weight loss too.

Oh, and even though you don't want to add any meds (I hear ya!) to what you're already taking, something like Metformin may give your body that extra boost of help it needs to get your sugars back down, plus it has the added benefit of helping some lose weight.

Good luck to you, and stick around... There is a ton of great info in this thread and LCF in general.

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Most of my carbs have been coming from vegies - green beans, broccoli, romain, mushrooms, cucumbers. That number is net carbs, but I am also trying to count each packet of sweetner as 1 carb. I tend to drink 2 or 3 diet sodas a day, plus my morning coffee and maybe hot tea at night so probably 5 of those carbs are from there at least. Yep, I do try to get my water in as well.

I'm sure you're right about my numbers climbing so high because I wasn't careful about them for about 2 months after I quit testing. Dang I must be more sensitive to them than I thought.

I will keep posting and reading and learning about this stuff. I'm trying to reconcile myself to the thought of more meds, but I will avoid them if possible. Thanks!
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let me ask a question - even I eat high carbs then that can affect my blood sugar for days? I have been testing high in the mornings. I am going to an encrinologist (sp) in like 2 weeks so I can figure it all out, I hope.
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Most of my carbs have been coming from vegies - green beans, broccoli, romain, mushrooms, cucumbers. That number is net carbs, but I am also trying to count each packet of sweetner as 1 carb. I tend to drink 2 or 3 diet sodas a day, plus my morning coffee and maybe hot tea at night so probably 5 of those carbs are from there at least. Yep, I do try to get my water in as well.

I'm sure you're right about my numbers climbing so high because I wasn't careful about them for about 2 months after I quit testing. Dang I must be more sensitive to them than I thought.

I will keep posting and reading and learning about this stuff. I'm trying to reconcile myself to the thought of more meds, but I will avoid them if possible. Thanks!
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I think you're doing good with your veggies then, those are all good for you, have decent fiber and are among the most LC of what's out there. I'm a diet soda fan too, and count the packets of sweetener at roughly a 1/2 carb per... And water is always good for you.

When I don't test for extended periods, it's like my subconscious tries to me tell me I'm not really diabetic (wink, wink) but when I do test, of course I am.... We just ARE. I am less sensitive to some HC foods than I once was, meaning I can eat a small amount of bread or a small amount of a dessert, but I cannot do that more often than a couple of times a month or else, my numbers go above the norm (for me) and I have to work to bring them down again.

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let me ask a question - even I eat high carbs then that can affect my blood sugar for days? I have been testing high in the mornings. I am going to an encrinologist (sp) in like 2 weeks so I can figure it all out, I hope.
[COLOR=SlateGray]Are you seeing a regular doctor now for your diabetes? And is it because you aren't under good control that you are seeking a different opinion?

I have only been seeing the internist who originally diagnosed me. While I definitely like, respect, and trust her, I've wondered if an endo would tell me anything newer or better.

Reason being, as much as I respect her as a doctor, she is still somewhat "old skool" and was initially reluctant about things I have tried as I worked to reduce my daily numbers. (Like low carbing.) And she encourages me to test less often and not be so stringent with myself. Which frustrates me because no, I don't want to be manic about my health, but I feel as if I am the type of person that if it is not always right at the forefront of my mind, I will not be as diligent in taking care of myself...

As for your high morning tests, I can tell you with absolute certainty that when I test consistently high in the mornings, or even have higher readings during the day when food that normally don't spike my sugar seemingly does, it's because my carb count is too high.

I went through a phase a year ago when my doc told me to stop testing 4x a day and just test once, varying my tests throughout the day.

Well, I started eating ice cream! and sundaes! virtually every day!! I don't know why... It's like I'd been let off a leash. And my numbers crept higher and higher at testing times until I came to my senses and reeled it in.

I'm not saying you're eating sundaes but I'm saying, take a look at what you ARE eating and evaluate it to see if that's what's bringing your numbers up. Maybe think about a food diary for a couple of weeks.

It would give you a bird's eye view of what's going in you and it might help your new doctor have a better overview of how to help you pinpoint the problem as well.

Good luck! Let us know what he/she tells you.

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Juanita - I am right there with you - very depressed about it. I am trying to get in to see a endocrinologist but it may take till May -? My blood sugar is very high (in the 200's) in the morning? I take one glimepiride with breakfast - hate this crap..........

My bs's were out of control, too. My internist set me up with a "world famous" endocrin; he took tests and confirmed (!!??) my diabetes, type 2. Prescribed, in addition to Metformin which I've been taking for 10 years, Januvia because I can't handle any of the gliberide type drugs.

Anyway, the bottom line was he said to eat 2-3 proteins, 2 starches, vegetables, 2-3 fruits, and limit the concentrated sweets. Can you believe?

So I dutifully went home, read Good Calrories, Bad Calories and found Low Carb Friends, then started a low carb diet. My bs's normalized quickly -- less than 100 in am, less than 115 after eating. Soooo, I'm very happy.

Hope my experience helps someone else.
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[COLOR=RoyalBlue]Hi, Patti, welcome to LCF!

So has your endo or your regular doc seen your shiny, new lower numbers? WTG!

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My bs's were out of control, too. My internist set me up with a "world famous" endocrin; he took tests and confirmed (!!??) my diabetes, type 2. Prescribed, in addition to Metformin which I've been taking for 10 years, Januvia because I can't handle any of the gliberide type drugs.

Anyway, the bottom line was he said to eat 2-3 proteins, 2 starches, vegetables, 2-3 fruits, and limit the concentrated sweets. Can you believe?

So I dutifully went home, read Good Calrories, Bad Calories and found Low Carb Friends, then started a low carb diet. My bs's normalized quickly -- less than 100 in am, less than 115 after eating. Soooo, I'm very happy.

Hope my experience helps someone else.
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Since I'm on induction, and have been for the past three weeks, I've eaten nothing but vegies, ie brocolli, cawliflower, green beans, yellow squash and zuccini (sp?) along with my proteins. I quit sweetening my coffee because I found out that Splenda was spiking my glucose. I tried Diabetisweet and did nothing but go to the bathroom all day. I was beginning to think it was going to become my permanent home. Now I've been reading that the readings should constantly be under 100. No matter what I do I still get 20 to 30 point hike in fasting and the 120's during the day. I'm at a loss. So many people go on lc and keep their readings down and go off meds. What can I be doing wrong? My doctor says my A1C is 4.9 (November) and 5.5 (March) and it's normal. What is normal for petes sake!
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Thanks, guys, for your input!

I developed pancreatitus in 6/06 and my Family Doctor advised me that I had diabetes but I am not sure how educated he is so that is why I am seeking other help with a specialist but I have the same fears that you guys went thru - he will be old school but I guess I will have to see.

I am cutting out carbs and doing a food diary -

Again, I appreciate the help and advice!
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Hi all. Well I finally did it. For the first time since I was diagnosed with diabetis I finally woke up with a 96 reading and no medication. I'm sooooo happy.
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Hi all. Well I finally did it. For the first time since I was diagnosed with diabetis I finally woke up with a 96 reading and no medication. I'm sooooo happy.
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[COLOR=Blue]That is awesome, Juanita! KUTGW!!!

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Since I'm on induction, and have been for the past three weeks, I've eaten nothing but vegies, ie brocolli, cawliflower, green beans, yellow squash and zuccini (sp?) along with my proteins. I quit sweetening my coffee because I found out that Splenda was spiking my glucose. I tried Diabetisweet and did nothing but go to the bathroom all day. I was beginning to think it was going to become my permanent home. Now I've been reading that the readings should constantly be under 100. No matter what I do I still get 20 to 30 point hike in fasting and the 120's during the day. I'm at a loss. So many people go on lc and keep their readings down and go off meds. What can I be doing wrong? My doctor says my A1C is 4.9 (November) and 5.5 (March) and it's normal. What is normal for petes sake!
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[COLOR=Teal]You know, it may not be that you are doing things "wrong" but that your body is doing the best it can... It took me months and months to understand that foods I ate that affected me negatively (with higher test numbers) were sometimes a combination of things. It can be too high carbs too often, yes, but it can also be your body's sensitivity to a particular food, or additional stress you are under, how little sleep you've had, whether you're fighting off a cold or infection.

I found it easier to keep my daily readings lower when I was taking the Metformin. Granted, I can (now) still (usually) achieve lower numbers, but it is more of a struggle when it's all up to you and your body to control.

Sometimes our bodies are doing the best they can with what they've got, and it doesn't mean we are failing at "doing the right thing" but it does mean we have to be patient with ourselves and keep on doing what we know is best for our bodies.

Striving for "normal" is challenging, but it sounds like you are on the right track!

Another thing... Your A1c results reflect that you are being successful in keeping your blood sugar in an acceptable range. I would imagine many diabetics wish they had your numbers, but they don't know how, or don't want to do what is required diet-wise to get themselves into better numbers. Imagine how lucky we are that we decided to research the best way to eat for our blood sugar health, meaning we eat LC versus HC like the ADA recommends. Seriously, why can't they steer us in the right direction???

And finally... Different meters also give us differing results, so what seems high on one meter may be perfect on another one! I have a new meter I'm trying out, and this is discouraging to me until I put it into perspective and remember to heed my own advice.

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Setting Slack Standards - an article by David Mendosa

[COLOR=Indigo]Hi, everyone

I just found an article that I thought was interesting and decided to share. Here is a brief quote from it:

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No standard is more important than our A1C level, which measures our average blood glucose over the past two to three months. The ADA says that generally its goal for non-pregnant adults in general is less than 7 percent.


Considering that the average A1C level of American adults with diabetes is between 8.5 and 9 percent, as an ADA doctor once told me, it's the right direction. But is it enough?
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Diabetes - Setting Slack Standards

I was diagnosed diabetic with an A1c of 7.8 and was advised "they like it to be about 6." From everything I've researched since then, 6 isn't really good enough to prevent complications.

Subsequent tests of mine were 5.9, 4.5, 4.7, 4.5 and about 5 months ago 4.9.... Which concerned ME but didn't concern my doctor.

I guess when I test again in May, if it's that high or higher, I will ask if going back on meds would be better for me.

But am I overly concerned?

Between the last 4.5 and 4.9 is when she took me off the Met completely, she didn't think just the 500mg 1x daily was doing me any good anyway.



What do you think?

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Karyn, when I hit 4.9 my doctor also wanted to take me off my meds. I argued that I still needed my met and glyburide because of the dawn phenomena. He cut that in half and told me to be careful as it may bring by bs down considerably. So I guess staying in the 4.9 or 4.5 level is good. As aforesaid, I had to go off my meds when the first fasting reading came out at 96 and today at 100. One thing I did notice is that both nights I had an oopsie with DaVinci syrup before bedtime. I'll try it again tonight and see if that extra kick of protein helps.
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[COLOR=Blue]Juanita, you may be right about having the oopsie... You are talking about Cleo's rolls, right?

I've read that having a bite before bed gives your body something to nosh on in the night, which is usually an extended period of time that we are not eating. Guess it keeps the body from reacting as if you're about to be hypo.

I don't seem to have these episodes; I sleep heavy and for a long time. While I normally eat every 4-6 hours, small snacks or meals, I may go 12-14 hours between sleeping/waking. The lowest I have ever tested on waking was 76, but it's a rare thing, usually every couple months maybe, and it is quickly raised by a first meal.

Thanks for your input. The Met never gave me hypos, and I haven't ever taken any other diabetic meds. Guess I'll see how my May A1c comes out.

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