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Old 05-05-2014, 09:17 AM   #1
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Cholesterol

I just had my yearly physical last week and they ran bloodwork and my cholesterol was really high. She wanted to put me on medication or do diet and exercise to see first. I opted to try diet and exercise first. I asked her what is best low calorie or lower carb diet (I did atkins years ago and lost but over the last 6 years have gained it back ) She said definitely not low calorie and low carb was better. Which was nice to hear. Both dr and nurse suggested limiting carbs.

My question is has anyone had the numbers go down doing low carb? Also, which did you follow Atkins or South Beach?

I am thinking of doing the low carb again.. I knew I did it once I can do it again but I want to know it will help lower my cholesterol numbers.

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Many people have had their cholesteral numbers go down with low carb. I'm sure you will receive lots of helpful posts. Good luck.
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My levels went down doing Atkins. I know they were high in the past but don't have exact numbers, I was in denial. But after 5-6 months on Atkins, everything came back within range. I don't know enough about the South Beach diet to say which would be better.
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My cholesterol levels have dropped from borderline high to normal after a couple of months of low-carbing. This happened this year (2014) and also the last time I did low-carb, in 2001-02.

I do Atkins, pretty much by the book.

I'm not sure that low-carb would "cure" high cholesterol for everyone, but I'm pretty sure that you can at least improve it. Good luck!
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Mine went down a lot! Last year at my physical they were high enough to trigger the "you need medicine" talk. This year I began LC in Jan. Had to have my yearly physical last month. They came down 21 points just with LC diet! No more talk about meds (which I wasn't going to take anyway).

LC will bring trigs down but it also boosted my HDL and lowered LDL. It can happen. I hear that for some people it can take longer though.
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Well, aside from arguing what high cholesterol REALLY means, I think it SHOULD be controlled only by diet and exercise. It's been since January for mine. Been thinking I should get it checked again. Maybe at mid May since that'll be exactly 4 months.


Okay, I can't help myself. 80% of our cholesterol is produced by our body. Yes, our bodies can betray us; but by and large, the body knows what it's doing even when we don't. I don't like the thought of interrupting that process artificially by medicines that may carry with it far greater contraindications than what we're trying to "improve" in the first place. High chol. has long been sort of the "gold standard" benchmark of risk factors in our cardiovascular health. However, it's not the only factor AND perhaps not even the most significant after all. There are plenty of people with cardiovascular health issues with normal or even low chol. And indeed, the body NEEDS chol. which is why the body produces it. The overall total of chol. tells us little of what's going on. Tho I am indeed anxious to see my numbers and ratios improve (you know, I guess just in case I'm wrong or just to gig people when they are sure I am one piece of bacon away from a heart attack), I am far more concerned with the visceral fat that just LOVES to hang around my belly.
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Well, aside from arguing what high cholesterol REALLY means, I think it SHOULD be controlled only by diet and exercise. It's been since January for mine. Been thinking I should get it checked again. Maybe at mid May since that'll be exactly 4 months.


Okay, I can't help myself. 80% of our cholesterol is produced by our body. Yes, our bodies can betray us; but by and large, the body knows what it's doing even when we don't. I don't like the thought of interrupting that process artificially by medicines that may carry with it far greater contraindications than what we're trying to "improve" in the first place. High chol. has long been sort of the "gold standard" benchmark of risk factors in our cardiovascular health. However, it's not the only factor AND perhaps not even the most significant after all. There are plenty of people with cardiovascular health issues with normal or even low chol. And indeed, the body NEEDS chol. which is why the body produces it. The overall total of chol. tells us little of what's going on. Tho I am indeed anxious to see my numbers and ratios improve (you know, I guess just in case I'm wrong or just to gig people when they are sure I am one piece of bacon away from a heart attack), I am far more concerned with the visceral fat that just LOVES to hang around my belly.
Yes! My sentiments exactly!

The only number I really worry about are triglycerides, which I think directly correlates to inflammation in the arteries and its relation to CVD. I was in a similar situation where my GP wanted to put me on a statin (never!). LC worked for me. While my total cholesterol is now considered in the high range, my triglycerides dropped like a rock and my HDL went up. My GP has since backed off on pushing the statin. And I've noticed that when I've been less strict with being LC, my triglycerides increased during the time that I was being less strict. Now that I'm more diligent again, my triglycerides have gone back down.

I suggest you read the book Cholesterol Clarity by Jimmy Moore. There's also a subforum here that deals strictly with cholesterol and heart health. Check it out: Cholesterol and Heart Health - Low Carb Friends
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Well, aside from arguing what high cholesterol REALLY means, I think it SHOULD be controlled only by diet and exercise. It's been since January for mine. Been thinking I should get it checked again. Maybe at mid May since that'll be exactly 4 months.


Okay, I can't help myself. 80% of our cholesterol is produced by our body. Yes, our bodies can betray us; but by and large, the body knows what it's doing even when we don't. I don't like the thought of interrupting that process artificially by medicines that may carry with it far greater contraindications than what we're trying to "improve" in the first place. High chol. has long been sort of the "gold standard" benchmark of risk factors in our cardiovascular health. However, it's not the only factor AND perhaps not even the most significant after all. There are plenty of people with cardiovascular health issues with normal or even low chol. And indeed, the body NEEDS chol. which is why the body produces it. The overall total of chol. tells us little of what's going on. Tho I am indeed anxious to see my numbers and ratios improve (you know, I guess just in case I'm wrong or just to gig people when they are sure I am one piece of bacon away from a heart attack), I am far more concerned with the visceral fat that just LOVES to hang around my belly.
Agree!!! I saw a great video on youtube that was all about cholesterol and the over perscribing of cholesterol meds, it was an excellent video but I watched it awhile ago and the title escapes me....
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For some reason the Cholesterol Primer thread that I found so informative doesn't show up on the Cholesterol and Heart Health subforum anymore, so I did a search for it. This is the best place to start if you're looking at cholesterol health and how it ties into LC eating:

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ch...ol-primer.html
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Yes low carb will drop your cholesterol. But, I don't worry about it anyway. The number they want is just pulled out of a hat. And they are thinking of lowering it again!!??

And, what Marsha said!!!
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Yes! My sentiments exactly!
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Agree!!! I saw a great video on youtube that was all about cholesterol and the over perscribing of cholesterol meds
Of course, I know I'm "preaching to the choir" on LCF here, but I still love to be agreed with and it keeps my "game" up when I get sucked into the next futile argument.
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The only number I really worry about are triglycerides, which I think directly correlates to inflammation in the arteries and its relation to CVD. I was in a similar situation where my GP wanted to put me on a statin (never!). LC worked for me. While my total cholesterol is now considered in the high range, my triglycerides dropped like a rock and my HDL went up. My GP has since backed off on pushing the statin. And I've noticed that when I've been less strict with being LC, my triglycerides increased during the time that I was being less strict. Now that I'm more diligent again, my triglycerides have gone back down
Excellent ... and precisely how I feel, too. My trigs were just okay so I am looking to see them improve. I will never go on a statin either. People may disagree but the way I look at it is it is an "informed" decision on my part, whether I'm ultimately right or wrong. You can, of course, make an informed decision TO take them. But either is better than blindly following advice which may then end up harming you. I take responsibility for it, I don't hand it over to someone just because they wear a white coat.
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Thanks for all the responses and information. My dr did suggest medication but said that diet and exercise would be first tried which I was glad that it was an option and not just medication. Not ready for that.
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There's an article in the NYT today about overuse of statin in women and how a growing number of cardiologists are questioning the efficacy of prescribing them for women, given the higher risk of side effects. It's titled A New Women's Issue: Statins, and was written by Roni Rabin.

I find it humorous that the one dissenting voice in the article was from a doctor that has ties to the pharmaceutical industry.

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Although women represent slightly more than half of the population, they have been vastly underrepresented in clinical trials of statins. As a result, evidence on the benefits and risks for women is limited.

Women tend to develop heart disease about 10 years later in life on average than men; women’s risk begins to equal that of men when they reach their mid-70s.

Studies have found that healthy women who took statins to prevent cardiovascular disease did experience fewer episodes of chest pain and had fewer treatments like stents and bypass surgery. But statins didn’t prevent healthy women from having their first heart attacks and didn’t save lives.

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I think I should add that it usually takes 6 months or more for diet to really start to make an impact on cholesterol levels. There is some individual variance, though, so you and your doctor may want to keep monitoring.

Keep in mind that if you're losing weight (particularly a significant amount) it also may cause your cholesterol levels to increase temporarily.

Also, not to hijack the thread but I'm curious to see what level of carbs people were eating at to reduce their cholesterol. I've read that you have to go pretty low. My father is eating around 20g, all in veg. He is happy with that but I'm curious to see if this can be relaxed a bit without problems.
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I initially did an extended induction, but now I'm eating between 50-75 net. When I was in my less strict phase I was probably eating 150-200 net, and my trigs went up to 130. Now I'm back down in the low 90s.
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My cholesterol has greatly improved since I started eating LCHF less than 4 months ago - I started 01/12/14. I have lost 39 lbs. in this time.

My LDL cholesterol was 165. Last bloodwork I had done (2 weeks ago), my LDL was 105. I don't remember what my trigs were, but the doctor wasn't concerned one way or another.

I do remember he said everyone came down... unfortunately, including my HDL. So now he is having me add a niacin supplement to help increase that back to where it needs to be.

Also, my blood pressure, which was running about 145-150/80-90. This last time I was in there, it was 128/70.

My blood sugar has never been high, but at my weight and having diabetes on both sides of my family, it was a concern that I lose weight.

Edited to add: My carb intake is between 30-45 carbs per day.

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Anything with the carbs low enough will do I think
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Mine went down a lot! Last year at my physical they were high enough to trigger the "you need medicine" talk. This year I began LC in Jan. Had to have my yearly physical last month. They came down 21 points just with LC diet! No more talk about meds (which I wasn't going to take anyway).

LC will bring trigs down but it also boosted my HDL and lowered LDL. It can happen. I hear that for some people it can take longer though.
Same experience here. Went down about 21 points, raised HDL, and lowered LDL, and Trigs.

I do Atkins as well. I chose Atkins because for me, eating very low carb is much easier and simpler, and if following the Ladder, I can identify trigger foods faster.

I decided against South Beach, as I know that it's easier for me to stick to a plan with less carbs. For me personally, having the amount and kinds of Carbs such as sweet potato, that are allowed on South Beach, just keep me craving and hungry all the time. Almost like following a low calorie diet. Every one is different though. I do Atkins 72.

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I've posted this elsewhere, but I'm happy with my results (esp the ratios) so will repost it for you:

I've had higher cholesterol numbers for several years. I have a great doc who, although he mentioned statins, was willing to work with me and suggested some supplements. He was excited with me that I'd lost weight w/ low carb. Just got my cholesterol numbers back:

Total: 194
HDL: 85
Tri: 57
LDL: 95

Mostly, I'm doing Atkins. I eat oatmeal occasionally and flaxseed muffins and am still able to remain in ketosis. I actually ate quite a bit of oatmeal and muffins the two to three weeks prior to my lab work. Not sure what really worked for me; supplements, eating lower carb and higher fat, eating fiber, or even the increased exercise, but I'm glad for the good results.

Good luck and let us know how your next labs turn out!
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I've posted this elsewhere, but I'm happy with my results (esp the ratios) so will repost it for you:

I've had higher cholesterol numbers for several years. I have a great doc who, although he mentioned statins, was willing to work with me and suggested some supplements. He was excited with me that I'd lost weight w/ low carb. Just got my cholesterol numbers back:

Total: 194
HDL: 85
Tri: 57
LDL: 95

Mostly, I'm doing Atkins. I eat oatmeal occasionally and flaxseed muffins and am still able to remain in ketosis. I actually ate quite a bit of oatmeal and muffins the two to three weeks prior to my lab work. Not sure what really worked for me; supplements, eating lower carb and higher fat, eating fiber, or even the increased exercise, but I'm glad for the good results.

Good luck and let us know how your next labs turn out!
Congratulations on your great numbers! Can you share what supplements you take?

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Congratulations on your great numbers! Can you share what supplements you take?
Thank you!

I take Omega 369, Garlic, CoQ10, Cinnamon (w/ chromium), Flax Seed oil, Vit C and E and when I remember, Cholesterol Down. I was also taking Apple Cider Vinegar.

My previous numbers were down a very small bit, without making any dietary changes, by taking CoQ10, Omega 369 and/or Flax Seed Oil and garlic.

As I said, it is hard to say exactly how useful the supplements are and I am NO expert on supplements. I've recently quit taking ACV (bad for teeth and bones - I have osteopenia), and I'm not going to purchase any more CoQ10 when I next run out because of the price. And I've been researching E a bit more and am not convinced that it is helpful. I'll be interested to see if there will be any change in my numbers. I'll have to wait over a year until my next labs...

Some people suggest non-flush niacin and red rice yeast as well.

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