Cholesterol Ratios - And my VAP test

Stevie Renee · 11-29-2011, 08:56 AM

This is what I was told about ratios; note that this person was reading my VAP test a few years ago.

The ideal ratio of Total/HDL is 4.4 for women and 5 for men. Also, according to http://wwww.yourmedicaldetective.com/public/532.cfm and several other sites, the ratio of your trigs to your HDL will indicate whether your LDL is small and dense (bad) or large and fluffy (neutral). A larger number indicates smaller LDL particles and a smaller number indicates larger LDL particles. It's an inverse relationship.

(Here was mine a few years ago;Your Total/HDL ratio is 4.8. That's not wonderful, but it's not as bad as it could be - I've seen much worse. The best way to fix that is to lower your trigs and raise your HDL, and other people have posted about ways to do that - I'd do a search. )

The ideal ratio of Trig/HDL is 2 or below. 4 is high. 6 is "danger!!" Yours is 2.16, which is great.

Additionally, a low ratio of Trig/HDL is great because it's a semi-reliable indicator of lower free insulin levels. Lower free insulin is good. However, this doesn't appear to work for those of African descent, so take that with a grain of salt.

The ratio of LDL to HDL is considered to be a marker of carotid plaque, or how much plaque you have built up in your arteries. The ideal levels are below 4.4; 4.4-7.1 is average risk for developing heart disease; 7.1 to 11 is a moderate risk of heart disease; and greater than 11 means you have a high risk of developing heart disease.

Your LDL/HDL ratio is 3.3, which is well below 4.4, and that means you're doing fine.

"One should lower LDL thereby raising the HDL level. If the LDL/HDL ratio lies within 3.3-4.4 then the patient is at low risk. If it is within the value range 4.4-7.1 then there is average risk for developing the heart disease. If the ratio lies within the range of 7.1-11.0 then there is a moderate risk. If the ratio is greater than 11.0 then there is high risk of developing the heart disease. Absolute cholesterol treatment is useful for the treatment rather the LDL/HDL ratio."

My question is "low risk" not as good as ideal? And from what I've researched below 3 is more the range fitting that parameter?

Thanks... and with as much time as you've researched and spent, my mind would be boggled with all the data! FWIW my data point is what is currently utilized by Lab Techs when advising interns/residents at a major teaching hospital in Chicago with interpretation of cholesterol screening ratios.

Okay, with cholesterol the goal is always to be at or below the ideal (except in the case of HDL, where you want to be at or above the ideal). If the ideal is 3.3 to 4.4, then 4.4 is the top end of "ideal" and anything below that is better.

Hope this helps some of you with ratios & the VAP test a wee bit.

I also got a heart scan done and have zero plaque. Yeah.

A great source is heartscanblog - Dr William Davis & also a blog by Heart Hawk.

Read Wheat Belly, Good Calories/Bad Calories and Doctor Eades Blog post about LDL.

Stevie Renee · 11-29-2011, 01:39 PM

How to do your own ratios:

Total divided into HDL; ideal ratio 4.4. for women, 5 for men

Trigs divided into HDL: ideal is 2 or below. 4 is high, 6 is dangerous.

LDL divided into HDL: considered to be the marker for carotid plaque. Ideal is below 4.4-4.47 -

On Dr William Davis blog he says we should strive for 60-60-60-60.
HDL, LDL, TRIGS and VIT D.

My last test I had a better ratio on my total to HDL. I was happy.

11-29-2011, 08:56 AM	#1
Stevie Renee Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,589 Gallery: Stevie Renee Start Date: July 2000	Cholesterol Ratios - And my VAP test This is what I was told about ratios; note that this person was reading my VAP test a few years ago. The ideal ratio of Total/HDL is 4.4 for women and 5 for men. Also, according to http://wwww.yourmedicaldetective.com/public/532.cfm and several other sites, the ratio of your trigs to your HDL will indicate whether your LDL is small and dense (bad) or large and fluffy (neutral). A larger number indicates smaller LDL particles and a smaller number indicates larger LDL particles. It's an inverse relationship. (Here was mine a few years ago;Your Total/HDL ratio is 4.8. That's not wonderful, but it's not as bad as it could be - I've seen much worse. The best way to fix that is to lower your trigs and raise your HDL, and other people have posted about ways to do that - I'd do a search. ) The ideal ratio of Trig/HDL is 2 or below. 4 is high. 6 is "danger!!" Yours is 2.16, which is great. Additionally, a low ratio of Trig/HDL is great because it's a semi-reliable indicator of lower free insulin levels. Lower free insulin is good. However, this doesn't appear to work for those of African descent, so take that with a grain of salt. The ratio of LDL to HDL is considered to be a marker of carotid plaque, or how much plaque you have built up in your arteries. The ideal levels are below 4.4; 4.4-7.1 is average risk for developing heart disease; 7.1 to 11 is a moderate risk of heart disease; and greater than 11 means you have a high risk of developing heart disease. Your LDL/HDL ratio is 3.3, which is well below 4.4, and that means you're doing fine. "One should lower LDL thereby raising the HDL level. If the LDL/HDL ratio lies within 3.3-4.4 then the patient is at low risk. If it is within the value range 4.4-7.1 then there is average risk for developing the heart disease. If the ratio lies within the range of 7.1-11.0 then there is a moderate risk. If the ratio is greater than 11.0 then there is high risk of developing the heart disease. Absolute cholesterol treatment is useful for the treatment rather the LDL/HDL ratio." My question is "low risk" not as good as ideal? And from what I've researched below 3 is more the range fitting that parameter? Thanks... and with as much time as you've researched and spent, my mind would be boggled with all the data! FWIW my data point is what is currently utilized by Lab Techs when advising interns/residents at a major teaching hospital in Chicago with interpretation of cholesterol screening ratios. Okay, with cholesterol the goal is always to be at or below the ideal (except in the case of HDL, where you want to be at or above the ideal). If the ideal is 3.3 to 4.4, then 4.4 is the top end of "ideal" and anything below that is better. Hope this helps some of you with ratios & the VAP test a wee bit. I also got a heart scan done and have zero plaque. Yeah. A great source is heartscanblog - Dr William Davis & also a blog by Heart Hawk. Read Wheat Belly, Good Calories/Bad Calories and Doctor Eades Blog post about LDL.

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11-29-2011, 01:39 PM	#2
Stevie Renee Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,589 Gallery: Stevie Renee Start Date: July 2000	How to do your own ratios: Total divided into HDL; ideal ratio 4.4. for women, 5 for men Trigs divided into HDL: ideal is 2 or below. 4 is high, 6 is dangerous. LDL divided into HDL: considered to be the marker for carotid plaque. Ideal is below 4.4-4.47 - On Dr William Davis blog he says we should strive for 60-60-60-60. HDL, LDL, TRIGS and VIT D. My last test I had a better ratio on my total to HDL. I was happy.