My new numbers

trlotlo · 09-07-2011, 07:47 AM

Hi all! I am excited and also disappointed with my numbers.

Here is what they were in April 2011

LDL - 132
VLDL - 48
HDL - 54
TRIG - 242
Total - 234

Now here are my numbers from last week Sept 2011

LDL - 161 ?? WHY IS THIS UP??
VLDL - 17
HDL - 59
TRIG - 86
TOTAL - 237 ???

I don't understand how everything can be so much better except my LDL and my total. What else can I do?

ravenrose · 09-07-2011, 09:00 AM

I'm sure you will get a more detailed explanation from someone else, but the simple one is that LDL is made up of several different things, some good and some bad. It would be like counting eggs and golfballs as the same thing because they are roughly the same shape and color...

almost certainly your LDL now is made up of different particles than it was before and it's not a problem. if you are concerned there are more sophisticated tests that will differentiate them.

your triglycerides are by far the most important number in these tests and that from is fantastic.

read this and calculate ratios to understand more: Cholesterol - a Primer

Stevie Renee · 09-11-2011, 10:12 AM

From what I understand, LDL has 2 differant types of sizez. Large and small.

The way to check what kind is to get a VAP test.

Your numbers look great really.

From what I read on Dr William Davis web site (very well informed cardio doc) he said the goal is to get LDL/HDL/TRIGS/VIT D - close to 60.

Your trig drop is fantastic.

Your HDL looks primo.

Your LDL probably has fat, fluffy kind. Mine goes up. I have both small and large. But mostly large.

More and more studies say the "total" number is not relevant. Look more at the HDL/LDL/TRIGS.

That is my humble, two cents to add from the reading I have done

Chelveston · 09-11-2011, 04:50 PM

Why be disappointed with better numbers?

Your triglycerides are way down. That's FANTASTIC!

Your HDL is way up! YEAH!

With those numbers, your LDL is most assuredly Fluffy, Pattern A, which is HARMLESS. Yes, harmless.

Total cholesterol hysteria is based on the faulty Lipid Hypothesis, which was promoted by Keys and his Made Up Story, The Seven Countries Study, which was really cherry picked data from 20+ studies. But, he doesn't want to talk about that and most doctors think it's 7 countries not 20.

09-07-2011, 07:47 AM	#1
trlotlo Junior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 17 Gallery: trlotlo	My new numbers Hi all! I am excited and also disappointed with my numbers. Here is what they were in April 2011 LDL - 132 VLDL - 48 HDL - 54 TRIG - 242 Total - 234 Now here are my numbers from last week Sept 2011 LDL - 161 ?? WHY IS THIS UP?? VLDL - 17 HDL - 59 TRIG - 86 TOTAL - 237 ??? I don't understand how everything can be so much better except my LDL and my total. What else can I do?

09-07-2011, 09:00 AM	#2
ravenrose . Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: California Posts: 9,080 Gallery: ravenrose Stats: lost 130 lb so far, and miles to go before I sleep WOE: low carb controlled calorie Start Date: June, 2009	I'm sure you will get a more detailed explanation from someone else, but the simple one is that LDL is made up of several different things, some good and some bad. It would be like counting eggs and golfballs as the same thing because they are roughly the same shape and color... almost certainly your LDL now is made up of different particles than it was before and it's not a problem. if you are concerned there are more sophisticated tests that will differentiate them. your triglycerides are by far the most important number in these tests and that from is fantastic. read this and calculate ratios to understand more: Cholesterol - a Primer __________________ Often I don't come back to read threads where I've posted. If you want me to see something, please send me a private message. Thanks!

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09-11-2011, 10:12 AM	#3
Stevie Renee Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,582 Gallery: Stevie Renee Start Date: July 2000	From what I understand, LDL has 2 differant types of sizez. Large and small. The way to check what kind is to get a VAP test. Your numbers look great really. From what I read on Dr William Davis web site (very well informed cardio doc) he said the goal is to get LDL/HDL/TRIGS/VIT D - close to 60. Your trig drop is fantastic. Your HDL looks primo. Your LDL probably has fat, fluffy kind. Mine goes up. I have both small and large. But mostly large. More and more studies say the "total" number is not relevant. Look more at the HDL/LDL/TRIGS. That is my humble, two cents to add from the reading I have done

09-11-2011, 04:50 PM	#4
Chelveston Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 651 Gallery: Chelveston Stats: Health at every size WOE: Atkins Start Date: restart Jan '09	Why be disappointed with better numbers? Your triglycerides are way down. That's FANTASTIC! Your HDL is way up! YEAH! With those numbers, your LDL is most assuredly Fluffy, Pattern A, which is HARMLESS. Yes, harmless. Total cholesterol hysteria is based on the faulty Lipid Hypothesis, which was promoted by Keys and his Made Up Story, The Seven Countries Study, which was really cherry picked data from 20+ studies. But, he doesn't want to talk about that and most doctors think it's 7 countries not 20.