Best way to lower cholestorol

Sleepy · 01-13-2009, 08:52 AM

hubby just got back from his physical appt and his cholestorol was a little high, 210. his hdl was 42 but his ldl was 143. dr prescribed zocor.

ive never had high cholestorol cuz i do atkins. he cannot tolerate atkins.
what are some other ways and things he can to to lower it?
he has another checkup in 3 months

un4givun2 · 01-14-2009, 05:25 AM

Please take my advice and find a new doctor! Never in my life have I heard of anyone being put on Cholesterol lowering medication with a ratio of 5:1! Anything below 3.5:1 is considered optimal. Anything over 5:1 is high. Your Husband is exactly 5:1 which by all medical definitions is within the range of acceptable, but worth letting you know you need to make a few diet/exercise changes (very little). With an overall of 210 there is no need for alarm and there's no justification for meds. If you have not read the news lately let me update you on the latest statistics. It's been scientifically documented that people taking cholesterol meds don't live any longer than people who choose not to. There's no evidence that supports these drugs improving your health.

In fact, I have a friend at work who had numbers 3 months ago slightly worse than your husband's. He has a terrible diet and he let it be known that he can't and will not diet. I asked him to try 3 things that are fairly easy to do. I asked him to eat breakfast even if it meant stopping at the drive through on the way to work. Get at least 7.5hrs of sleep during the week and 8.5hrs on the weekend (he said he was already doing that). Finally, eat less supper and eat it at least 3 hrs (preferably 4hrs) before going to bed. He did this and in 4 weeks his overall dropped to 180 and his HDL came up to 48 which gave him a near perfect 3.75 ratio. He also lost 7 lbs over the next 8 weeks without eating fewer calories or exercising.

Go find another doctor. This guy/gal is obviously getting perks from the maker of the meds he/she is prescribing. Seriously, 10 years ago 210 was considered normal. Worse, most of the time, cholesterol meds lower the HDL and not so much the LDL which makes the ratio even worse.

Sleepy · 01-14-2009, 09:22 AM

thank you for your input
he doesnt HAVE to take the medication
he just got a prescription for it
he is going to try and control it with diet and exercise

Leo41 · 01-14-2009, 01:34 PM

I'm a believer in fish oil supplements for cholesterol. I think it raises HDL as well as lowering LDL. I eat a lot of fish and still take the supplements, and I think it helps.

un4givun2 · 01-14-2009, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo41

I'm a believer in fish oil supplements for cholesterol. I think it raises HDL as well as lowering LDL. I eat a lot of fish and still take the supplements, and I think it helps.

Fish definitely helps me. I loose 50-150% more weight when I eat two meals or more of fish per week. Salmon seams to have the best effect on weight loss and cholesterol lowering for me which supports the omega-3 theory.

However, fish oil supplements have no effect on my health. They don't lower my cholesterol and they don't help me lose weight.

Stevie Renee · 01-17-2009, 10:59 AM

Fish oil, oil based vitamin D, slowrush niacin...and no wheat products. Ever. lol

check out this guys blog..please

The Heart Scan Blog

un4givun2 · 01-18-2009, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chantel

Fish oil, oil based vitamin D, slowrush niacin...and no wheat products. Ever. lol

check out this guys blog..please

The Heart Scan Blog

As Chantel said, definitely no wheat.

As a matter of fact, biopsies of mummies uncovered from the Roman Empire show that Insulin Resistance was the disease that killed the greatest number of people. Wheat was their staple crop. They carried bread in their bags for long journeys across the desert. We know enough now about insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes that there are physical abnormalities that develop later in life as a result of insulin resistance. These abnormalities were seen in mummies that were examined. Wheat (and insulin resistance) is believed to have been one of the factors that brought down the Roman Empire.

If anything, wheat should be viewed as a supplement. This is a nutritional supplement that should only be taken as a meal replacement. Never should wheat be taken/eaten with protein or fat. That is detrimental. Spiking your insulin with wheat/carbs while consuming protein/fat equals long term health problems. The SUPER carbs such as wheat should be eaten by themselves if they have to be eaten and they should be used only in emergency situations or situations requiring extreme amounts of energy very quickly like riding a mountain bike through rough terrain for 2 straight hours.

Stevie Renee · 01-19-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by un4givun2

As Chantel said, definitely no wheat.

As a matter of fact, biopsies of mummies uncovered from the Roman Empire show that Insulin Resistance was the disease that killed the greatest number of people. Wheat was their staple crop. They carried bread in their bags for long journeys across the desert. We know enough now about insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes that there are physical abnormalities that develop later in life as a result of insulin resistance. These abnormalities were seen in mummies that were examined. Wheat (and insulin resistance) is believed to have been one of the factors that brought down the Roman Empire.

If anything, wheat should be viewed as a supplement. This is a nutritional supplement that should only be taken as a meal replacement. Never should wheat be taken/eaten with protein or fat. That is detrimental. Spiking your insulin with wheat/carbs while consuming protein/fat equals long term health problems. The SUPER carbs such as wheat should be eaten by themselves if they have to be eaten and they should be used only in emergency situations or situations requiring extreme amounts of energy very quickly like riding a mountain bike through rough terrain for 2 straight hours.

Interesting!

I wonder who also takes asprin? I take 81 mgs a day. I need to research and see what the latest studies say. I thought I read somewhere where that was not eneough. To double that. Anyone know?

un4givun2 · 01-20-2009, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chantel

Interesting!

I wonder who also takes asprin? I take 81 mgs a day. I need to research and see what the latest studies say. I thought I read somewhere where that was not eneough. To double that. Anyone know?

I was taking 1 of the adult aspirins a day and that was too much. My blood was so thin that I would bleed all day from a paper cut. My dad has his own blood thinner testing machine. He bought it so he could adjust his own Cumin (I think that's how you spell it). He's on blood thinner...... I played with my diet and found that eating turnip greens 3 times a week had the same effect as taking an aspirin every day.

un4givun2 · 01-21-2009, 07:22 PM

I confirmed through one of my doctor friends that turnip greens do thin your blood. They tell you not to eat greens once you start taking blood thinner so they can regulate the thinner.

un4givun2 · 01-21-2009, 07:32 PM

I believe this is the machine my dad uses to test his blood. It's very expensive.

Patient INRatio2 PT/INR Monitor - QAS

Burnz · 01-21-2009, 07:33 PM

I do agree taking a fish oil supplement.

Stevie Renee · 01-21-2009, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by un4givun2

I confirmed through one of my doctor friends that turnip greens do thin your blood. They tell you not to eat greens once you start taking blood thinner so they can regulate the thinner.

eek. I have never eaten a turnip.lol

Thats a trip about turnips thinning the blood. Who would have thought?!

StyngerIsAScorpio · 01-23-2009, 08:22 AM

It's the turnip greens that thin the blood, not the bulb that grows underground...I never had the greens till we moved south, but man I have to tell ya, I love em! Ya just have to be so careful if you are on a blood thinner!

Stevie Renee · 01-23-2009, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StyngerIsAScorpio

It's the turnip greens that thin the blood, not the bulb that grows underground...I never had the greens till we moved south, but man I have to tell ya, I love em! Ya just have to be so careful if you are on a blood thinner!

Good info! Thanks..and welcome to LCF

StyngerIsAScorpio · 01-23-2009, 11:29 AM

Thank you

un4givun2 · 01-23-2009, 07:18 PM

There is a correct way and an incorrect way to cook the greens. So, if you've never done it seek advice from a pro before you do. They can make you sick if you don't cook them right. It's mainly the stems. Some people just remove the stem completely (lots of work). Some people remove the biggest part of the stem and then boil/rinse and reboil. The boil/rinse cycle removes most of the toxins.

I know they look nasty, but try them with a little bacon grease and or ham in the pot while they are cooking. Drain them well and serve with your favorite meat. A little jalapeño or green chili pepper sauce poured over the greens will really enhance the flavor without making them hot.

Bring it on · 02-16-2009, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by un4givun2

I confirmed through one of my doctor friends that turnip greens do thin your blood. They tell you not to eat greens once you start taking blood thinner so they can regulate the thinner.

I was taking digestive enzymes last year. I got my blood drawn and I did not clot right away and the nurse asked me if I took a blood thinner and I said no and had no idea why. When I got home I read that digestive enzymes, or I should say one of them, I forget which one, can indeed thin your blood.
I don't know if this helps anyone. I just thought that it was interesting that turnip greens can do that a;so.

JONAH'S GRANNY · 03-05-2009, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chantel

Fish oil, oil based vitamin D, slowrush niacin...and no wheat products. Ever. lol

check out this guys blog..please

The Heart Scan Blog

No wheat products; does that mean no grains of any type?

JONAH'S GRANNY · 03-05-2009, 08:01 AM

Chantel - The link you gave answered my question.

Thanks, Ann

Sleepy · 03-05-2009, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chantel

...and no wheat products. Ever. lol

what do you mean by this?
so he should have wheat tortillas or wheat toast?

Stevie Renee · 03-05-2009, 09:06 AM

Cool Ann. He is not perfect but he is one of the most sound. I am an official groupy.

Sleepy,
no -no wheat products. No corn products. That stuff is worse then sugar. Also no high fructose corn syrup. Bad stuff.

If you want grains..consider steel cut oats if you can handle it. Some cannot - some it triggers more hunger.

And pls dont believe the American Heart Association..like the food pyramid, they are so off the mark. Cheerios is not your friend.

To lower LD....
Fish oil, niacin, vit D, exercise, low carb diet.

And if and when you are ready..red wine, dark chocolate.

Also..raw nuts. About a handful a day. Prefer almonds but I use a mix of raw nuts.

Again..no expert..I just like what heartscanblog offers as far as advise.

Be your own advocate. Prescribing a med on such a low LD just makes me mad. Sounds like my husbands doctor. Pretty soon these docs are going to add meds to the water supply!

PS: If your hubby cannot tolerate Atkins...consider South Beach or even a Paelo Diet

butterfly4701 · 03-09-2009, 09:13 PM

Hello, I am having trouble doing the low carbs because I need something sweet ever once in a while any tips I guess I would be in phase 1 of the South Beach or Adkins whats the difference in the two, I get cravings for carbs after agout five days.Appreciate any tips! Thanks This is interesting. This is my first time ever on these I read them but have never replied.

01-13-2009, 08:52 AM	#1
Sleepy Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 8,064 Gallery: Sleepy WOE: Metabolism Miracle Start Date: 8-10-09	Best way to lower cholestorol hubby just got back from his physical appt and his cholestorol was a little high, 210. his hdl was 42 but his ldl was 143. dr prescribed zocor. ive never had high cholestorol cuz i do atkins. he cannot tolerate atkins. what are some other ways and things he can to to lower it? he has another checkup in 3 months

03-05-2009, 09:06 AM	#22
Stevie Renee Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 10,997 Blog Entries: 1 Gallery: Stevie Renee Stats: 24/8-6/6 (240/158.5/150) WOE: Low Carb, moderate fat, portion control Start Date: July 2000	Cool Ann. He is not perfect but he is one of the most sound. I am an official groupy. Sleepy, no -no wheat products. No corn products. That stuff is worse then sugar. Also no high fructose corn syrup. Bad stuff. If you want grains..consider steel cut oats if you can handle it. Some cannot - some it triggers more hunger. And pls dont believe the American Heart Association..like the food pyramid, they are so off the mark. Cheerios is not your friend. To lower LD.... Fish oil, niacin, vit D, exercise, low carb diet. And if and when you are ready..red wine, dark chocolate. Also..raw nuts. About a handful a day. Prefer almonds but I use a mix of raw nuts. Again..no expert..I just like what heartscanblog offers as far as advise. Be your own advocate. Prescribing a med on such a low LD just makes me mad. Sounds like my husbands doctor. Pretty soon these docs are going to add meds to the water supply! PS: If your hubby cannot tolerate Atkins...consider South Beach or even a Paelo Diet Last edited by Stevie Renee; 03-05-2009 at 09:08 AM..

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01-14-2009, 05:25 AM	#2
un4givun2 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 65 Gallery: un4givun2	Please take my advice and find a new doctor! Never in my life have I heard of anyone being put on Cholesterol lowering medication with a ratio of 5:1! Anything below 3.5:1 is considered optimal. Anything over 5:1 is high. Your Husband is exactly 5:1 which by all medical definitions is within the range of acceptable, but worth letting you know you need to make a few diet/exercise changes (very little). With an overall of 210 there is no need for alarm and there's no justification for meds. If you have not read the news lately let me update you on the latest statistics. It's been scientifically documented that people taking cholesterol meds don't live any longer than people who choose not to. There's no evidence that supports these drugs improving your health. In fact, I have a friend at work who had numbers 3 months ago slightly worse than your husband's. He has a terrible diet and he let it be known that he can't and will not diet. I asked him to try 3 things that are fairly easy to do. I asked him to eat breakfast even if it meant stopping at the drive through on the way to work. Get at least 7.5hrs of sleep during the week and 8.5hrs on the weekend (he said he was already doing that). Finally, eat less supper and eat it at least 3 hrs (preferably 4hrs) before going to bed. He did this and in 4 weeks his overall dropped to 180 and his HDL came up to 48 which gave him a near perfect 3.75 ratio. He also lost 7 lbs over the next 8 weeks without eating fewer calories or exercising. Go find another doctor. This guy/gal is obviously getting perks from the maker of the meds he/she is prescribing. Seriously, 10 years ago 210 was considered normal. Worse, most of the time, cholesterol meds lower the HDL and not so much the LDL which makes the ratio even worse.

01-14-2009, 09:22 AM	#3
Sleepy Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 8,064 Gallery: Sleepy WOE: Metabolism Miracle Start Date: 8-10-09	thank you for your input he doesnt HAVE to take the medication he just got a prescription for it he is going to try and control it with diet and exercise

01-14-2009, 01:34 PM	#4
Leo41 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,446 Gallery: Leo41	I'm a believer in fish oil supplements for cholesterol. I think it raises HDL as well as lowering LDL. I eat a lot of fish and still take the supplements, and I think it helps.

01-17-2009, 10:59 AM	#6
Stevie Renee Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 10,997 Blog Entries: 1 Gallery: Stevie Renee Stats: 24/8-6/6 (240/158.5/150) WOE: Low Carb, moderate fat, portion control Start Date: July 2000	Fish oil, oil based vitamin D, slowrush niacin...and no wheat products. Ever. lol check out this guys blog..please The Heart Scan Blog

01-21-2009, 07:22 PM	#10
un4givun2 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 65 Gallery: un4givun2	I confirmed through one of my doctor friends that turnip greens do thin your blood. They tell you not to eat greens once you start taking blood thinner so they can regulate the thinner.

01-21-2009, 07:32 PM	#11
un4givun2 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 65 Gallery: un4givun2	I believe this is the machine my dad uses to test his blood. It's very expensive. Patient INRatio2 PT/INR Monitor - QAS

01-21-2009, 07:33 PM	#12
Burnz Junior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 31 Gallery: Burnz	I do agree taking a fish oil supplement.

01-23-2009, 08:22 AM	#14
StyngerIsAScorpio Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Near the water Posts: 473 Blog Entries: 11 Gallery: StyngerIsAScorpio Stats: -23 pounds! And I'm not done yet! WOE: Modified Low Carb/Healthy choices for a change! Start Date: August 13, 2009 Restart	It's the turnip greens that thin the blood, not the bulb that grows underground...I never had the greens till we moved south, but man I have to tell ya, I love em! Ya just have to be so careful if you are on a blood thinner!

01-23-2009, 11:29 AM	#16
StyngerIsAScorpio Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Near the water Posts: 473 Blog Entries: 11 Gallery: StyngerIsAScorpio Stats: -23 pounds! And I'm not done yet! WOE: Modified Low Carb/Healthy choices for a change! Start Date: August 13, 2009 Restart	Thank you

01-23-2009, 07:18 PM	#17
un4givun2 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 65 Gallery: un4givun2	There is a correct way and an incorrect way to cook the greens. So, if you've never done it seek advice from a pro before you do. They can make you sick if you don't cook them right. It's mainly the stems. Some people just remove the stem completely (lots of work). Some people remove the biggest part of the stem and then boil/rinse and reboil. The boil/rinse cycle removes most of the toxins. I know they look nasty, but try them with a little bacon grease and or ham in the pot while they are cooking. Drain them well and serve with your favorite meat. A little jalapeño or green chili pepper sauce poured over the greens will really enhance the flavor without making them hot.

03-05-2009, 08:01 AM	#20
JONAH'S GRANNY Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 7,960 Gallery: JONAH'S GRANNY Stats: 147-111-105 WOE: Portion Control/Lower Calorie Start Date: 01/03/2008/Originally 2003	Chantel - The link you gave answered my question. Thanks, Ann

03-09-2009, 09:13 PM	#23
butterfly4701 Junior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: N.W. INDIANA Posts: 11 Gallery: butterfly4701 WOE: SUZANN SOMMERS	Hello, I am having trouble doing the low carbs because I need something sweet ever once in a while any tips I guess I would be in phase 1 of the South Beach or Adkins whats the difference in the two, I get cravings for carbs after agout five days.Appreciate any tips! Thanks This is interesting. This is my first time ever on these I read them but have never replied.