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Old 05-13-2013, 07:45 PM   #271
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Ratios: 300 divided into HDL: 3.79 (Anything over 4.4 is a warning)
Trigs divided into HDL: 52/97: 1.86 (You want 2 or below) This is an indicator for free insulin levels I believe.
LDL divided into HDL: 176/97: 1.81 (ideal is below 4.4)
Using data from post 264 here is my recent numbers.

Cholesterol ...........269
HDL......................60
TRI.......................65
LDL......................167 Using the Iranian formula

Ratios: TTL/HDL. 269/60........4.48. Borderline

TRI/HDL. 65/60..........1.08. Below 2

LDL/HDL. 167/60........2.78. Below 4.4

LDL is high but more than likely large fluffy pattern. Would like to get a VAP test sometime to check.

LC for about a year now no cheating. No sugar or refined carbs about to drive the wife nuts..wish I could get her on board as she's borderline diabetic. That's what turned me on to LC in the first place.
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Old 05-17-2013, 03:15 PM   #272
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Confused about Cholesterol tests

The nurse practitioner wasn't very forth coming even though I kept asking.

All she would say is
Your Good Cholesterol is 75
Your bad is 115 and should be at 100
total of 200 which should be a bit lower but your not in a danger zone.

Are these good numbers
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Some people might even call those numbers perfect. There is a webpage
called hyperlipid that has the result of a verry large chlosterol study. It was
verry interesting that the overall death rate was about the same from about
185 to 220 total chlosterol ( I could be a few points off this is from memory )
Now when you get lower than about 180 your risk of a heart atack does go
down some BUT your risk of CANCER and stroke goes up.
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Some people might even call those numbers perfect. There is a webpage
called hyperlipid that has the result of a verry large chlosterol study. It was
verry interesting that the overall death rate was about the same from about
185 to 220 total chlosterol ( I could be a few points off this is from memory )
Now when you get lower than about 180 your risk of a heart atack does go
down some BUT your risk of CANCER and stroke goes up.
Thanks. The only red flag she said she saw was that I am low on vitamin D. I asked her what I should take and she shrugged and just said any supplement will do? So I got some Caltrate.
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You might get a second opinion on that. Most supliments will have 400 to 2000 units. But ofton Dr's are perscrining one 50,000 unit pill a week for
a few weeks ( I forget the number of weeks think it's in the 4 to 8 range ) and then retest.
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You might get a second opinion on that. Most supliments will have 400 to 2000 units. But ofton Dr's are perscrining one 50,000 unit pill a week for
a few weeks ( I forget the number of weeks think it's in the 4 to 8 range ) and then retest.
i was on a 50,000 unit for 6 weeks i took one dose per week, then i take 4000 units per day---my D was 13 now its 35, but should be better, its on the low end of normal---i sometimes forget to take it, so have to get better at that----yes, if your D is very low, i don't think just any thing will do
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Hi...
I see this thread has not been active for awhile. I have "cholesterol issues" and after losing 30 lbs on Atkins last winter went into a tailspin when my tests came out crazy high...blood pressure and everything else was perfect. I am on vacation right now so do not have my numbers. Suffice it to say, I tried to make a compromise between the doctors low-fat orders and eating low-carb and low-carb lost. I cannot do low-carb low-fat. Period. I ended up gaining the 30 lbs back and here I am again...starting over with low-carb and needing to deal with the cholesterol issue also. My high cholesterol is genetic. I do not want to go on a statin because of the side effects...would love to get into some discussions concerning this issue.
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Just what do you call crazy high ? And here is at least one large study saying the popular call for our chlosterol to be below 200 may be in serious error. And this graph doesn't even call in the fact that if you are on low carb your triglecerides are probably low and your HDL is probably rather high.
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Just got mine done today. How long should I wait to get them checked again? Six months? A year? Or less than those?

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I absolutely WON'T go on a statin. I don't think it makes a dang bit of difference. To me it's as simple as WHY would I take a pill when it's my body that produces 80% of my cholesterol and the pill won't affect that. You're taking a pill to make at most a 20% difference?

I wouldn't begin to know how to change my diet at this point and be able to stay on it. I am eating now how I would like to eat (without the sugar and grains) which means it's sustainable. I can't and won't cut out eggs and red meat. I dunno my calories but I know by volume, I am not eating that much. I never get stuffed anymore. There simply isn't a way to cut out enough that would make a difference that wouldn't leave me hungry and miserable.
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Just got mine done today. How long should I wait to get them checked again? Six months? A year? Or less than those?


I absolutely WON'T go on a statin. I don't think it makes a dang bit of difference. To me it's as simple as WHY would I take a pill when it's my body that produces 80% of my cholesterol and the pill won't affect that. You're taking a pill to make at most a 20% difference?

I wouldn't begin to know how to change my diet at this point and be able to stay on it. I am eating now how I would like to eat (without the sugar and grains) which means it's sustainable. I can't and won't cut out eggs and red meat. I dunno my calories but I know by volume, I am not eating that much. I never get stuffed anymore. There simply isn't a way to cut out enough that would make a difference that wouldn't leave me hungry and miserable.
I thought I read a very reputable cardio doc say 9 months. Allow yourself time to get your body in good health and get your numbers squared away.

Are you taking supplements as well? I know there were a lot of good articles/posts on niacin, vit D, fish oils with a high DHA to help. But most important is to eat real foods and off the grains/processed foods.(like you posted. Great! And I agree, eat the eggs and red meat.) And a break a sweat each day


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I see this thread has not been active for awhile. I have "cholesterol issues" and after losing 30 lbs on Atkins last winter went into a tailspin when my tests came out crazy high...blood pressure and everything else was perfect. I am on vacation right now so do not have my numbers. Suffice it to say, I tried to make a compromise between the doctors low-fat orders and eating low-carb and low-carb lost. I cannot do low-carb low-fat. Period. I ended up gaining the 30 lbs back and here I am again...starting over with low-carb and needing to deal with the cholesterol issue also. My high cholesterol is genetic. I do not want to go on a statin because of the side effects...would love to get into some discussions concerning this issue.
I am with EW. What is crazy high? Do you care to share your entire panel?

30 pounds in the cold Alaskan winters seems reasonable! hahah. I would probably gain a lot more! And for what its worth, your doctor cannot force the issue on low fat. Its old, outdated. Your doc is on the old, main stream pipeline. You have to be your own advocate and being a female, using statins is an issue. Lots of articles out there on that subject.

Low carb, healthy fats....go for it

You do have a choice of what you consume
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I am concerned about my cholesterol. Last week had my blood test was good except my
total cholesterol is 238 the hdl only 45 and the LDL 174 and don't know where the rest of the numbers are that doesn't total 238. But he said 45 isn't protective has to be 50. Got a prescription for welco. I have a problem with my muscles and balance from inner ear problem. I won't take the other cholesterol meds because they can cause muscle problems. The thing is this medicine is 400 a month without insurance. I have insurance so didn't have to pay that. Still if all this money and medicine is not necessary it makes me mad. I just started low carb 1/14/2014. So my blood test wasn't done when i had been low carbing but a couple weeks. I am concerned when I go back in 3 months it will be way higher. He is sending me to a heart doctor to have a catheter go through my leg and look at my heart. He said with my obvious markers talking about my weight 179 and cholesterol level. He thinks I am at risk. My father had to have a stent when he was 60 I am almost 58. My father was a heavy smoker though. But his sister my aunt had to have a stent also when she was 70 she isn't a smoker or anything very religious woman who had good life style still alive. My father died at 70 of lung cancer even though he quit smoking at age 60 because of the heart situation. I am just wondering if I should expect my numbers to be worse in 3 months or what. I also had high on the inflammation test not a couple years ago differnt doctor. Just wondering if others take asprin he said nothing about asprin but thought that was something we were suppose to do. Feel like I am a ticking time bomb ready to have a heart attack or stroke.
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Here is why the numbers don't add up. The figure for total cholesterol also takes in your triglycerides. Like this total cholesterol = HDL + LDL + 1/5 triglycerides. So in your case it looks like your triglycerides were probably about 95 which is fairly GOOD it could be a little lower to but it's still good. As you continue to lowcarb your cholesterol numbers will probably change. Most of the time total cholesterol comes down now sometimes it will go up some but in this case usually the HDL goes up more than the LDL which ends up being better even if the total is a little up. By the way when you go back in 3 months your Dr. may not check your cholesterol. I am a 63 year old, 160lbs overweight and have diabetes so go in for lab work every 3 months but they only check my cholesterol every 6 months.
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There is a type of dietary fiber inulin-fos. It seems to lower your hunger and therefore your food consumption just a very little. But when it's doing this it may lower your cholesterol and triglycerides a little.
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I've read through most of these links. My overall cholesterol came back at 273 and Dr. suggested statins which I refused. I've lost 50 pounds. Everything is good except LDL.

So overall... what is the final conclusion on how to lower cholesterol. The only thing I found is to cut back on coconut oil. Any other suggestions?
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Here are a couple of things you may want to look at. You may want to get the special test that looks at LDL particle size. If the particles are large it turns out they aren't harmful. Then there are a couple of things you may want to reed up on and consider using. Vitamin E comes in 4 different forms when taken by itself the delta-tocotrienol form will lower cholesterol. Then there is the active form of pantothenic acid Pantethine seems to lower cholesterol also. Then there is Red Rice Yeast which has a natural statin which is supposed to be tolerated a lot better than the regular statins. Of course i am not suggesting you take these things just mentioning you may want to read up on them. Now I have the opposite problem my cholesterol is a little to low I guess I will just eat more bacon .....
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I just had blood work done too! The October fasting glucose was an eye opener for me. I bummed around for a few weeks, but got serious with LC about Thanksgiving. I've lost 8 pounds since then.

In October my numbers were:

cholesterol - 250 total
HDL - 63
LDL - 168
triglycerides - 88
cholesterol/HDL ratio: 4.0
fasting glucose 136

Last week I retested and numbers were:

241 total
HDL - 73
LDL - 144
triglycerides - 120
cholesterol/HDL ratio: 3.3
fasting glucose: 116 ac1 was 5.8 I did not have an ac1 test in October, so I don't have a number for comparison.

Overall I'm pleased but know I have more work to do. I figure the triglycerides are higher because I'm eating more fat.

My doctor recommended I take FLUSH NIACIN to lower my cholesterol. Not non-flush, but flush. At bedtime.
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the above poster is right.
The name Niacin is being used to refer to both Nicotinic acid and Nicotinamide. Nicotinamide lacks the pharmacological activity Nicotinic acid. Nicotinic acid causes flushing and can lower cholesterol.
You can buy this at health food stores or get a prescription version from your DR.
Nicotinamide does not lower cholesterol or cause flushing.
HIGH OR CHRONIC DOSES OF NICOTINAMIDE CAN CAUSE LIVER FAILURE.
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Old 04-19-2014, 09:54 PM   #291
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I just had my cholesterol retested after 3 months. Last reading was high at approx. 273. The only change I made is to back off of the eggs and when I did eat eggs I used mostly egg whites with an occasional yolk for color.

Maybe I'm just weird but it worked for me. I didn't want to go on cholesterol meds! YAY!
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I've had higher cholesterol numbers for the last several years. I have a great doc who, although he mentioned statins, was willing to work with me and suggested some supplements. He was excited with me that I'd lost weight w/ low carb. Just got my cholesterol numbers back:

Total: 194
HDL: 85
Tri: 57
LDL: 95

So that puts my ratio at 2.3/1 right?

I take Garlic, Omega 369, Flaxseed oil, Cinnamon plus Chromium, CoQ10, and Vit C specifically to help with cholesterol. I also eat oatmeal occasionally and flaxseed muffins and am still able to remain in ketosis. I actually ate quite a bit of oatmeal and muffins the two to three weeks prior to my lab work. Not sure what really worked for me; the supplements, eating lower carb and higher fat, eating fiber, or even the increased exercise, but I'm glad for the good results. I'm thankful for the LCF family that has helped me!
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I've had higher cholesterol numbers for the last several years. I have a great doc who, although he mentioned statins, was willing to work with me and suggested some supplements. He was excited with me that I'd lost weight w/ low carb. Just got my cholesterol numbers back:

Total: 194
HDL: 85
Tri: 57
LDL: 95

So that puts my ratio at 2.3/1 right?

I take Garlic, Omega 369, Flaxseed oil, Cinnamon plus Chromium, CoQ10, and Vit C specifically to help with cholesterol. I also eat oatmeal occasionally and flaxseed muffins and am still able to remain in ketosis. I actually ate quite a bit of oatmeal and muffins the two to three weeks prior to my lab work. Not sure what really worked for me; the supplements, eating lower carb and higher fat, eating fiber, or even the increased exercise, but I'm glad for the good results. I'm thankful for the LCF family that has helped me!

wow, those are some pretty dang good numbers, if you ask me........awesome
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Same thing, but just starting

I am restarting the LC WOE, but also finally got the spouse to join in.

His numbers:
267 total cholesterol
132 Triglycerides (normal 0-149)
38 HDL (normal > 39)
26 VLDL (normal 5-40)
203 LDL (normal 0-99)

Really happy his triglycerides were good (I believe they have been over 300), but the doctor wants him to go on a statin. He had some liver damage in the past, so there's even more reason to not try them. He is on Niaspan, but ran out in the last month and had cut his dose in half.

Note that total cholesterol = VLDL + LDL + HDL; triglycerides are not cholesterol but they are also considered a bad thing in terms of heart health.

He is going to my cardiologist to get baseline tests such as the stress test and echocardiogram. Also he will ask for the full panel (the LDL-p and so on, and C-RP) if she isn't going to do that already.

But want some opinions - what we will try is going to chicken at least three days per week, and lean beef on other days. He hates fish enough that I can't eat it either. He already has olive oil every weekday, and I told him to try to get at least two tablespoons of olive oil each day. He doesn't want to try fish oil as he doesn't like fish and honestly the only thing he takes is Niaspan but no vitamins at all, I can't convince him to.

Any other thoughts? Would replacing beef with chicken help, or is it the lean vs. fatty that is more important?
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I would just like to comment on the Niaspan. The latest studies have shown that while Niacin can make labs look better, they DO NOT have clinical benefit (i.e. they don't help prevent heart attacks or strokes); in fact they can even be harmful. More and more doctors have taken their patients off niacin meds because of these major studies. Also, Merck stopped trying to market a European drug that contained Niacin (this drug was used in one of the studies). I'm really surprised your husband's doctor hasn't addressed this. Please do a google search.
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My doctor wanted to put me on statins and I asked if he would give me 3 months to bring the numbers down. I cut back on egg yolks. I would use egg whites in my recipes for baking low carb treats. When I would scramble eggs I would use 1 egg yolk and 2 egg whites. I also tried to not eat eggs for breakfast every morning but instead have sauteed cabbage or zucchini with sausage or fried ham. My cholesterol was down to normal by my next office visit.

Hope that helps! Husbands are a challenge to help eat healthy sometimes!
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We only eat Egg Beaters, which I think are egg white and a little carotene for color.

The red meat and high fat could be an issue.

I have not heard that about Niaspan, but in general, all the cholesterol-lowering medications seem to have some issue, so we'd prefer not to be on any.

Does anyone have any experience with plant sterols, like in Benecol?
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Cutting out sugars and grains will automatically lower your cholesterol, too!
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I just got my numbers back - note that this is 3 months after stopping Niaspan, and being on NO cholesterol medication.
204 total (up from 200 a year ago)
112 LDL (down from 116 a year ago)
57 HDL (up from 51 a year ago)
2.0 LDL/HDL ratio (down from 2.3 a year ago)

175 triglycerides (up from 164 a year ago)- the cardiologist said to try fish oil, I am trying krill oil.

FWIW, I am 195 lbs. and trying to get to 175 lbs. as my first goal, hopefully set another goal at that point

Am hoping that my spouse (numbers in a previous post) can retest in a few months and see the diet is working for him. He is being much better than me about compliance and is visibly losing weight. I am a nut addict LOL, and also a stress eater. He just complains about not eating pasta when we are out.

I do eat low-carb bread by the Great Low Carb Bread company. And low carb tortillas by Mama Lupe. I don't know if they can increase triglycerides or it is just the fat content of my diet (and I want to go on a fat fast for a few days, so hopefully that won't make my triglycerides even worse).

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heart atacks and heart disease will lead to an un healthy life. But eat a lot of oatmeal its good for you tasts good and helps lower cholesterol.
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