Questions re: certain foods

BlackLilah · 06-20-2011, 09:29 PM

Hi,
New to the board, just recently finished a two week cleanse (clay, lots of green shakes w. probiotics, vegan diet). I feel the best I have in 6 years.

Am currently taking Green shake in the am, lots of probiotics, Grapefuit Seed Oil, Apple Cider Vinegar, Pao D'Arco. In the process of finding Oil of Oregano caps, I can't do the oil.

Anyway, I am planning my long-term changes in eating. I find it very confusing, since I seem to find a lot of contradiction in regards to dairy and nightshade vegetables, and hoping that someone here can answer these specifically, and explain why.

Dairy: some say avoid dairy altogether, some say that some types are ok, some say yogurt is ok. Some say no cheese, some say fresh cheeses like mozzerela are fine. So, which is it? I love cheese and yogurt, and hope I can find a solution I can live with. And, if dairy is a no-no, what about Almond Milk (unsweetened).

Veg: some say all veggies are ok (except mushrooms of course), others say avoid nightshades (tomatoes, eggplant, peppers. So, which is it? What about potatoes (sweet and white) and corn?

If no corn, does that mean no corn flour? There is a great pasta made from quinoa flour and corn flour. Would this be ok in moderation?

Also, if I have no issues with gluten, can I eat bread products that are yeast free, and all grains? I live by many health food stores and they have yeast-free breads.

Booze: I know that alcohol is not supposed to be consumed while on a yeast-cleanse, cause of the sugars, and I know beer has yeast. I have several parties and weddings to go to this summer. I know that I will not be able to abstain for months, so if I do drink, are there some drinks that are better than others?

No beer of course. I know wine uses yeast for fermentation, but I don't think there are live cells after filtering. What about vodka, is that a better option?

If anyone knows the answer to any of these I would appreciate it. I'm not doing this for weight, I'm actually at my ideal weight, this is just for the yeast cleanse.

Thanks!!

Kay_Bee · 06-21-2011, 04:13 AM

I'm wondering the same things!

Kay_Bee · 06-21-2011, 04:17 AM

I just did my yeast test this morning and it was very bad

skyblue · 06-22-2011, 07:56 PM

Hello. I suppose everyone has the same questions in the beginning as the various diets can be so confusing. After getting rid of at least 90% of the Candida that I had, I guess I can answer with my own experience.

Unfortunately, the phrase that you used, “long term,” is exactly what the war on Candida really is, exactly that. It’s a very long and drawn out fight, and I often wonder if it ever really ends. The further I go with it, the more I think maybe it never does. However, that being said, I will say that you will definitely reach a place where you can live with a more comfortable diet and once again enjoy life to its fullest. The answers to your concerns are below.

Dairy: some say avoid dairy altogether, some say that some types are ok, some say yogurt is ok. Some say no cheese, some say fresh cheeses like mozzerela are fine. So, which is it? I love cheese and yogurt, and hope I can find a solution I can live with. And, if dairy is a no-no, what about Almond Milk (unsweetened).

Reply: Plain Organic Greek Yogurt is eventually alright on the diet. I started eating it after a few months. Fortunately, I never had to worry about cheese as it’s not something I have to have, but even if I loved it, I would definitely stay away from it until I knew that I had the Candida conquered to the point where I would not experience any type of reaction if I tried it. Cheese is a dairy product, and dairy of any type is always going to be unacceptable when there is a Candida infestation in your body.

Veg: some say all veggies are ok (except mushrooms of course), others say avoid nightshades (tomatoes, eggplant, peppers. So, which is it? What about potatoes (sweet and white) and corn?

Reply: Absolutely no corn or white potatoes. Sweet potatoes can probably be introduced in phase 2 of the diet, but in a very low amount until you see if they are going to react with you. In fact, this is always the rule for trying anything that you’ve avoided before, go slow and in small amounts. I started eating tomatoes after a month of two. Eggplants should be alright, again, you’ll have to test many things. Peppers are definitely alright on the diet, at least they were for me, I’ve eaten them since day one of the diet.

If no corn, does that mean no corn flour? There is great pasta made from quinoa flour and corn flour. Would this be ok in moderation?

Reply: I’m sorry, but any corn product at all is going to feed the Candida and allow it to continue to thrive for that much longer, thus accomplishing nothing other than prolonging your treatment period.

Also, if I have no issues with gluten, can I eat bread products that are yeast free, and all grains? I live by many health food stores and they have yeast-free breads.

Reply: In time, this is something else you can test very slowly. As far as my diet goes, after almost eight months, I’ve decided that I will avoid all grain products from now on – other than organic oat bran since this will feed the flora in our body. I’ve learned to use substitutes such as coconut flour to make loafs of bread as well as drop-biscuits.

Booze: I know that alcohol is not supposed to be consumed while on a yeast-cleanse, cause of the sugars, and I know beer has yeast. I have several parties and weddings to go to this summer. I know that I will not be able to abstain for months, so if I do drink, are there some drinks that are better than others?

Reply: Personally, I wouldn’t touch any type of alcohol, even now. As I said, after almost eight months.

No beer of course. I know wine uses yeast for fermentation, but I don't think there are live cells after filtering. What about vodka, is that a better option?

Reply: Not that I’m aware of. If you need to, I suppose you could test it for a while if you want to take that chance, that would be up to you.

I really do think that perhpas once we have a Candida infestation to take over our body, it turns into a life-long endeavor to be rid of it, and then to keep it away for the rest of our lives. However, in the long run this can be a positive outcome for us, as our health will definitely improve because of the cleaner way of eating.

Good luck.
Sky

Jonika · 06-23-2011, 08:56 PM

Hey Sky
how are you gal? Getting better? I am still the same...I've gone through some unsuccessful treatment. Now, I am trying something else. I've gained 5 pounds in 2 months and my diet is low-carb, but it's not based on meat and vegetables, haha.

I am off Oil of Oregano and Capryl. Honestly, I'm tired of taking 100s of pills every day. I am kind of giving up...

Two weeks ago, I got Poison Ivy on my face. OMG, I had no idea if would itch like THAT! But Caladryl lotion saved my butt.

Jonika · 06-23-2011, 09:03 PM

Lilah,
you should avoid all grains, even quinoa, oats, amarath, and such...for the first few weeks (some say 4). The yeast-free breads can be very acidic and they probably contain grains , so try to avoid them for the most part. I don't think it would hurt if you had one slice a day, but more than that can slow down your recovery.
Tomatoes, eggplant, avocado, peppers are okay. I eat even mushrooms sometimes.
No alcohol - that has a major negative effect on your body. It's like drinking sugary water and you wouldn't do that...You also gain weight from it , big time. Beer is just nasty...

BlackLilah · 06-24-2011, 10:20 PM

Well, I went to a party this week, and while I was good with my food choices, the champagne tasted a little too good...had a little too much. I have been feeling it for these past few days. I was feeling so much better, and I can't believe I took a step back, with something that was under my control.

However, I'm looking at it as a shift in my awareness, now that I am able to see the effects of consuming certain things, I hope that it will effect my future decisions. Its so hard though! I'm not worried about weight, I'm actually at a good weight, and excersize, and look very healthy (just don't feel it). I own a bar & restaurant, where I am the chef, so as you can imagine, I'm in an environment where controling my food & bev consumption is not an easy thing.

Jonika · 06-25-2011, 05:11 AM

You can do it. It just takes time to get used to it.

skyblue · 06-26-2011, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonika

Hey Sky
how are you gal? Getting better? I am still the same...I've gone through some unsuccessful treatment. Now, I am trying something else. I've gained 5 pounds in 2 months and my diet is low-carb, but it's not based on meat and vegetables, haha. I am off Oil of Oregano and Capryl. Honestly, I'm tired of taking 100s of pills every day. I am kind of giving up...
Two weeks ago, I got Poison Ivy on my face. OMG, I had no idea if would itch like THAT! But Caladryl lotion saved my butt.

Hey Jonika!
Good to hear from you, girl. I'm doing very well, thanks. I rarely have even a slight reaction or symptom of Candida any longer, thank God. Even though I'm still very careful about what I eat, I'm actually going out to eat again without problems, and my thyroid has finally reached a good level, and I don't have to see the doctor again for six months. That's always good news.

I'm so sorry about the poison ivy on your face, my gosh, that had to be just terrible. I sure hope you don't have to go through that again. Thank the heaven for Caladryl, right?

Speaking of Nature

I had the most horrible spider bite two weeks ago yesterday that I’ve ever experienced. We were visiting our local organic farmer’s market, outside of course, when my ankle just started itching really bad. I reached down to scratch it – not thinking about it – and felt a really strange bump on the ankle. Looking at it, it was oval shaped (long oval) with two big dots in the middle. Over the next 24 to 36 hours it swelled and became a really huge blood-red place, 3 to 4 inches long and at least 2 1/2 inches wide. I looked up “spider bites” to get some symptoms that would tell me to get to an emergency room. The symptoms were concerned with the way you felt rather than the way the actual bite felt and looked. If one of the symptoms had been a horrible, red and large knot/bump, I would have been at the hospital before you could count to ten. :blush:
But I never felt any of the symptoms at all, I felt fine the entire week, even though my leg did hurt some, but it took about ten days for the bite to look ‘presentable’ … if you know what I mean. I spent about four days with my leg up because of the swelling, and was so glad to see that thing starting to look better by the end of the week.
Poison ivy and spider bites, hm, must be summer.

You take care of yourself and please let me know from time to time how you’re doing. It really was so good to hear from you.

Sky

Jonika · 06-27-2011, 07:33 PM

Hi Sky
Oh my gosh! That spider bite must have been horrible looking! It must have been some dirty little creature full of bacteria . I am glad you are okay though! We have Black Widows here where I live...but I get bit by tiny little spiders that can jump - and they are just nasty. Oh, and mosquitos - they are just nasty nasty nasty.

I am very glad to hear your symtomps are gone! Way to go girl!

06-20-2011, 09:29 PM	#1
BlackLilah Guest Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 26 Gallery: BlackLilah Stats: 137/125/125 Start Date: June 5, 2011	Questions re: certain foods Hi, New to the board, just recently finished a two week cleanse (clay, lots of green shakes w. probiotics, vegan diet). I feel the best I have in 6 years. Am currently taking Green shake in the am, lots of probiotics, Grapefuit Seed Oil, Apple Cider Vinegar, Pao D'Arco. In the process of finding Oil of Oregano caps, I can't do the oil. Anyway, I am planning my long-term changes in eating. I find it very confusing, since I seem to find a lot of contradiction in regards to dairy and nightshade vegetables, and hoping that someone here can answer these specifically, and explain why. Dairy: some say avoid dairy altogether, some say that some types are ok, some say yogurt is ok. Some say no cheese, some say fresh cheeses like mozzerela are fine. So, which is it? I love cheese and yogurt, and hope I can find a solution I can live with. And, if dairy is a no-no, what about Almond Milk (unsweetened). Veg: some say all veggies are ok (except mushrooms of course), others say avoid nightshades (tomatoes, eggplant, peppers. So, which is it? What about potatoes (sweet and white) and corn? If no corn, does that mean no corn flour? There is a great pasta made from quinoa flour and corn flour. Would this be ok in moderation? Also, if I have no issues with gluten, can I eat bread products that are yeast free, and all grains? I live by many health food stores and they have yeast-free breads. Booze: I know that alcohol is not supposed to be consumed while on a yeast-cleanse, cause of the sugars, and I know beer has yeast. I have several parties and weddings to go to this summer. I know that I will not be able to abstain for months, so if I do drink, are there some drinks that are better than others? No beer of course. I know wine uses yeast for fermentation, but I don't think there are live cells after filtering. What about vodka, is that a better option? If anyone knows the answer to any of these I would appreciate it. I'm not doing this for weight, I'm actually at my ideal weight, this is just for the yeast cleanse. Thanks!!

06-22-2011, 07:56 PM	#4
skyblue Junior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 26 Gallery: skyblue	Hello. I suppose everyone has the same questions in the beginning as the various diets can be so confusing. After getting rid of at least 90% of the Candida that I had, I guess I can answer with my own experience. Unfortunately, the phrase that you used, “long term,” is exactly what the war on Candida really is, exactly that. It’s a very long and drawn out fight, and I often wonder if it ever really ends. The further I go with it, the more I think maybe it never does. However, that being said, I will say that you will definitely reach a place where you can live with a more comfortable diet and once again enjoy life to its fullest. The answers to your concerns are below. Dairy: some say avoid dairy altogether, some say that some types are ok, some say yogurt is ok. Some say no cheese, some say fresh cheeses like mozzerela are fine. So, which is it? I love cheese and yogurt, and hope I can find a solution I can live with. And, if dairy is a no-no, what about Almond Milk (unsweetened). Reply: Plain Organic Greek Yogurt is eventually alright on the diet. I started eating it after a few months. Fortunately, I never had to worry about cheese as it’s not something I have to have, but even if I loved it, I would definitely stay away from it until I knew that I had the Candida conquered to the point where I would not experience any type of reaction if I tried it. Cheese is a dairy product, and dairy of any type is always going to be unacceptable when there is a Candida infestation in your body. Veg: some say all veggies are ok (except mushrooms of course), others say avoid nightshades (tomatoes, eggplant, peppers. So, which is it? What about potatoes (sweet and white) and corn? Reply: Absolutely no corn or white potatoes. Sweet potatoes can probably be introduced in phase 2 of the diet, but in a very low amount until you see if they are going to react with you. In fact, this is always the rule for trying anything that you’ve avoided before, go slow and in small amounts. I started eating tomatoes after a month of two. Eggplants should be alright, again, you’ll have to test many things. Peppers are definitely alright on the diet, at least they were for me, I’ve eaten them since day one of the diet. If no corn, does that mean no corn flour? There is great pasta made from quinoa flour and corn flour. Would this be ok in moderation? Reply: I’m sorry, but any corn product at all is going to feed the Candida and allow it to continue to thrive for that much longer, thus accomplishing nothing other than prolonging your treatment period. Also, if I have no issues with gluten, can I eat bread products that are yeast free, and all grains? I live by many health food stores and they have yeast-free breads. Reply: In time, this is something else you can test very slowly. As far as my diet goes, after almost eight months, I’ve decided that I will avoid all grain products from now on – other than organic oat bran since this will feed the flora in our body. I’ve learned to use substitutes such as coconut flour to make loafs of bread as well as drop-biscuits. Booze: I know that alcohol is not supposed to be consumed while on a yeast-cleanse, cause of the sugars, and I know beer has yeast. I have several parties and weddings to go to this summer. I know that I will not be able to abstain for months, so if I do drink, are there some drinks that are better than others? *Reply: Personally, I wouldn’t touch any type of alcohol, even now. As I said, after almost eight months.* No beer of course. I know wine uses yeast for fermentation, but I don't think there are live cells after filtering. What about vodka, is that a better option? Reply: Not that I’m aware of. If you need to, I suppose you could test it for a while if you want to take that chance, that would be up to you. I really do think that perhpas once we have a Candida infestation to take over our body, it turns into a life-long endeavor to be rid of it, and then to keep it away for the rest of our lives. However, in the long run this can be a positive outcome for us, as our health will definitely improve because of the cleaner way of eating. Good luck. Sky Last edited by skyblue; 06-22-2011 at 07:59 PM..

06-24-2011, 10:20 PM	#7
BlackLilah Guest Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 26 Gallery: BlackLilah Stats: 137/125/125 Start Date: June 5, 2011	Update re alcohol Well, I went to a party this week, and while I was good with my food choices, the champagne tasted a little too good...had a little too much. I have been feeling it for these past few days. I was feeling so much better, and I can't believe I took a step back, with something that was under my control. However, I'm looking at it as a shift in my awareness, now that I am able to see the effects of consuming certain things, I hope that it will effect my future decisions. Its so hard though! I'm not worried about weight, I'm actually at a good weight, and excersize, and look very healthy (just don't feel it). I own a bar & restaurant, where I am the chef, so as you can imagine, I'm in an environment where controling my food & bev consumption is not an easy thing.

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06-21-2011, 04:13 AM	#2
Kay_Bee Junior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 7 Gallery: Kay_Bee Stats: 200/147/135 5'-7.5" WOE: Atkins (Paleo)	I'm wondering the same things!

06-21-2011, 04:17 AM	#3
Kay_Bee Junior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 7 Gallery: Kay_Bee Stats: 200/147/135 5'-7.5" WOE: Atkins (Paleo)	I just did my yeast test this morning and it was very bad

06-23-2011, 08:56 PM	#5
Jonika Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: somewhere under the stars Posts: 452 Gallery: Jonika Stats: 128/118 WOE: Candida diet, Alkaline diet, Atkins Start Date: 01/09/2013	Hey Sky how are you gal? Getting better? I am still the same...I've gone through some unsuccessful treatment. Now, I am trying something else. I've gained 5 pounds in 2 months and my diet is low-carb, but it's not based on meat and vegetables, haha. I am off Oil of Oregano and Capryl. Honestly, I'm tired of taking 100s of pills every day. I am kind of giving up... Two weeks ago, I got Poison Ivy on my face. OMG, I had no idea if would itch like THAT! But Caladryl lotion saved my butt.

06-23-2011, 09:03 PM	#6
Jonika Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: somewhere under the stars Posts: 452 Gallery: Jonika Stats: 128/118 WOE: Candida diet, Alkaline diet, Atkins Start Date: 01/09/2013	Lilah, you should avoid all grains, even quinoa, oats, amarath, and such...for the first few weeks (some say 4). The yeast-free breads can be very acidic and they probably contain grains , so try to avoid them for the most part. I don't think it would hurt if you had one slice a day, but more than that can slow down your recovery. Tomatoes, eggplant, avocado, peppers are okay. I eat even mushrooms sometimes. No alcohol - that has a major negative effect on your body. It's like drinking sugary water and you wouldn't do that...You also gain weight from it , big time. Beer is just nasty...

06-25-2011, 05:11 AM	#8
Jonika Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: somewhere under the stars Posts: 452 Gallery: Jonika Stats: 128/118 WOE: Candida diet, Alkaline diet, Atkins Start Date: 01/09/2013	You can do it. It just takes time to get used to it.

06-27-2011, 07:33 PM	#10
Jonika Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: somewhere under the stars Posts: 452 Gallery: Jonika Stats: 128/118 WOE: Candida diet, Alkaline diet, Atkins Start Date: 01/09/2013	Hi Sky Oh my gosh! That spider bite must have been horrible looking! It must have been some dirty little creature full of bacteria . I am glad you are okay though! We have Black Widows here where I live...but I get bit by tiny little spiders that can jump - and they are just nasty. Oh, and mosquitos - they are just nasty nasty nasty. I am very glad to hear your symtomps are gone! Way to go girl!