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Old 09-18-2008, 07:25 AM   #241
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Oh Tooter,
You just reminded me of something that I think is directly related to my ACV consumption.

I have a chronic neck injury from when I had my youngest child 7 years ago. When it flares up, I am in so much pain!! I was having an especially hard time last week...by day 3 of having 4 oz a day minimum of ACV...my neck felt 90% better. I still feel a twinge...but it is almost gone!

Hmmmmmmm

Now, if I could only get the inflammation in my knees to settle down! Do you think the ACV is working from the neck down??

Yep, it must not have reached your knees yet.
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Old 09-18-2008, 07:29 AM   #242
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Well hmm. I failed the spit test, but I feel perfectly fine. I don't have any of the above-mentioned symptoms, I only did it out of curiousity.

I really am wondering if everyone's spit does this, or I really do have a problem? Kind of gross, sorry!

Guess more research is in order for me!

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You still have yeast over growth, you just have some of the symptoms under control. Do you understand that?

The "Cure" (if there is such a thing) comes when your intestines are at a balance with the Yeast and the Good bacteria.

That's why, if you stopped doing everything you have been doing for the yeast...The symptoms will come back. You still have an overgrowth of yeast.
You can't get a balance back in your intestines in a couple of days, BUT...You did get rid of some symptoms...which is a good thing.

That's why I am not surprised you failed the test again. You should have.
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Kris T, let me explain it this way...

Remember me saying that low carb got rid of all my symptoms? It did, but I STILL had yeast over growth. As soon as I tried to go up the carb ladder or made a poor choice in my eating...The symptoms came back.

Why? Because I might not have been "feeding" the yeast (which would have caused a lot of toxins to be released) but I also still didn't have a balance in my gut.

Did that make sense?
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Hi to all - here's another question, my list says to avoid vinegar, so I am assuming that mayo and ketchup has vinegar so skip it, obviously, but, the ACV "Mother" is okay...so is it a lot different than regular vinegar? Is it the way it's processed that makes the difference? I was also reading I shouldn't have pickles? Anyone know anything about this. Thanks.
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regular white vinegar is very different from the unprocessed, raw, unpasteurized, unfiltered ACV we recommend. So yes, ketchup, mustard, pickles etc.; should be avoided when trying to deal with yeast symptoms.
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[COLOR="Purple"] I know it sounded stupid because even *I* know that they are two different fruits, but I just find it really weird that my healthfood stores don't have it. Really....I'm only dyed blonde. [/COLOR]
Hey, JennyJ... I'm getting ready to go to my health food store, but before I go, I decided to do a "search" on their website. I searched "Grapeseed Extract". The extract it's self, did not come up, BUT products that had it in it, did.

There is a tea called "Yogi tea" that has lot's of healing things in it and one of them is "grapeseed Extract". That might be helpful. Not sure.


I'll see if they have anything else that didn't come up on the search list.
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Hey, JennyJ... I'm getting ready to go to my health food store, but before I go, I decided to do a "search" on their website. I searched "Grapeseed Extract". The extract it's self, did not come up, BUT products that had it in it, did.

There is a tea called "Yogi tea" that has lot's of healing things in it and one of them is "grapeseed Extract". That might be helpful. Not sure.


I'll see if they have anything else that didn't come up on the search list.
[COLOR="Purple"]Thanks, Tooter ~ I've actually been looking for the grapefruit extract but grape seed is the only one I can find. I think I read somewhere that AllieCat was taking it. [/COLOR]
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[COLOR="Purple"]Thanks, Tooter ~ I've actually been looking for the grapefruit extract but grape seed is the only one I can find. I think I read somewhere that AllieCat was taking it. [/COLOR]
Shoot, I ment Grapefruit seed extract. Now "I" am being blonde!

Those two names are too dang close together!
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Shoot, I ment Grapefruit seed extract. Now "I" am being blonde!

Those two names are too dang close together!
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Thanks, Tooter..I get it!

I've been scouring this thread, but cannot find this one answer to my question..

What foods should a person avoid to help get rid of the buggers?

Is there a link or list?

Sandi, thanks for idea of the water+acv+DaVinci. It's tolerable!!

My brain is about to explode from everything I've learned lately! You are all amazing!!
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Kris and whoever else feels like I do....I have been reading this thread pretty much since it started and there is so much helpful information, I can't even remember it all....think I'll just print it....but, if you go to the very first page where Tooter started it has so much of the info I think you're looking for...foods to avoid, my question about the ACV versus vinegar was answered there....just letting you know.... Have a good day everyone!
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Have a question about using boric acid powder. Is this the same that one buys in the hardware store (like for roach control)? If so, then I already have some of that and will mix it with my body powder for applying to the rash. If not, exactly what am I looking for and where would I look?

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Well I did the saliva test and my saliva sank to the bottom of the glass it only had one long "tentacle" does that mean I pass or fail? Either way I am using this as even more reason to continue with the CO and Atkins eating.
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Thanks, Tooter..I get it!

I've been scouring this thread, but cannot find this one answer to my question..

What foods should a person avoid to help get rid of the buggers?

Is there a link or list?

Sandi, thanks for idea of the water+acv+DaVinci. It's tolerable!!

My brain is about to explode from everything I've learned lately! You are all amazing!!
What to eat...

Basically Atkins, but no nuts or Dairy (except Plain yogurt) and No pickles or anything that use vinegar because they are not made with Apple Cider Vinegar and could feed the yeast. No mushrooms.

That's pretty much it, in a nutshell.

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Well I did the saliva test and my saliva sank to the bottom of the glass it only had one long "tentacle" does that mean I pass or fail? Either way I am using this as even more reason to continue with the CO and Atkins eating.
I would say you have a yeast issue.
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Have a question about using boric acid powder. Is this the same that one buys in the hardware store (like for roach control)? If so, then I already have some of that and will mix it with my body powder for applying to the rash. If not, exactly what am I looking for and where would I look?

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Sheryl, I saw your question, but I am clueless. You'll have to wait for Prozak or Fawn. I just didn't want you to think you were being ignored.
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Kris T, aren't you the one who said you were taking Oil of Oregano? May I ask in what form and how much it was?

The reason I am asking, is that I made the trip to my health food store (they were REALLY busy) and I found Oil of Oregano that was aromatherapy. It was about $12 a bottle. I realized that would not be the one I needed.

I found another bottle of it (same size) as a supplement and that tiny bottle was $32!!! I didn't find any in pill form and they were too busy (and I was in too much a hurry) to ask.

So, I'm waiting on the next trip there to decide if I am going to get it etc. Besides that, I'm doing enough right now without adding more in, just yet.

I couldn't find grapefruit seed extract (Whew, I said it right this time).

I Did pick up Xylitol plus packets. Xylitol and Stevia to sweeten things with.

I stopped by Barnes and Nobles and picked up "The Diet Cure". Can't wait to get started reading it.

So, that was my day. How was yours? lol
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Well, shoot. I just went to the link at netrition. I should order if from them!
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So...I'm fairly certain I have an issue with yeast and have been interested in this thread the last few days. I have or have had nearly all of the symptoms listed. I have been losing weight on Atkins since April, but it seems much slower than many other people--only about one a half pants sizes for me in the past 5 months.

The anti-candida diet actually seems incredibly restrictive to me--no mayo or mustard for tuna/chicken/egg salad, no sour cream, no cheese (cream cheese, cottage cheese, ricotta, string cheese, etc), no salad dressings because most all premade kinds have vinegar and all of the kinds I make use red wine vinegar or mayo/sour cream, no cream for coffee, no yogurt, no nuts or nut butters, no fruits....I've even seen that you are supposed to avoid caffeine and artificial sweeteners. So no coffee or tea for me. YIKES!

what do you eat on your hamburger with no cheese, ketchup, mustard or mayo allowed? What do you use for salad dressing?
So it's pretty much meat, veggies (is butter allowed?), eggs, oils?
I'm not kidding....

I need to do it, but I'm not sure if I can do it.
Could cutting out most of these things be enough?
I have been on CO, bought ACV yesterday and also picked up some oil of oregano, but haven't tried it yet.


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Oh...another question...about the Oil of Oregano...
They didn't have capsules at my store--only the little bottle of oil.
How do you take this? Any way to mask the flavor?

Thanks!
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ETA: Tooter--just saw your question about the cost of Oil of Oregano...for a small bottle I paid about $25

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So...I'm fairly certain I have an issue with yeast and have been interested in this thread the last few days. I have or have had nearly all of the symptoms listed. I have been losing weight on Atkins since April, but it seems much slower than many other people--only about one a half pants sizes for me in the past 5 months.

The anti-candida diet actually seems incredibly restrictive to me--no mayo or mustard for tuna/chicken/egg salad, no sour cream, no cheese (cream cheese, cottage cheese, ricotta, string cheese, etc), no salad dressings because most all premade kinds have vinegar and all of the kinds I make use red wine vinegar or mayo/sour cream, no cream for coffee, no yogurt, no nuts or nut butters, no fruits....I've even seen that you are supposed to avoid caffeine and artificial sweeteners. So no coffee or tea for me. YIKES!

what do you eat on your hamburger with no cheese, ketchup, mustard or mayo allowed? What do you use for salad dressing?
So it's pretty much meat, veggies (is butter allowed?), eggs, oils?
I'm not kidding....

I need to do it, but I'm not sure if I can do it.
Could cutting out most of these things be enough?
I have been on CO, bought ACV yesterday and also picked up some oil of oregano, but haven't tried it yet.


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Yes. Just start by deciding which things you think are giving you the most problems.

Go Slow. You didn't get this over night and you aren't going to get rid of it over night.

If you are going to eat cheese, limit it to a small amount on your salads.

If you are going to use Mayo on your hamburger...That's a way better choice then mustard or ketchup.

Salad dressings? If you can do the ACV and Oil, that would be Great.

This isn't exactly like the Anti-yeast diet (that almost killed me years ago), it has to be something you can Live with.

Right now, I am going stricter (and so is prozak) to see what happens, but we also have been stricter then most, anyways.

The 2 biggest things I have noticed with Atkins and people stalling is Cheese/dairy and Nuts. Those are the 2 biggies that seem to cause people problems.

Yogurt? Plain yogurt.

See how you do making just THOSE changes. Then decide if you need or want to go stricter.

Don't think of this as all or nothing. Think of it as a learning experience.
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I'm with Katie on not wanting to cut out things like mayo and mustard (don't use that much of it). You can make your own mayo and use the ACV in it. I've never made my own but have seen plenty of recipes for it and will give it a try this weekend. Was also thinking that maybe ground mustard seed added to the homemade mayo would work for that mustard taste. As for the other salad dressings, you can make your own vinegar and oil using the ACV. Pickles, well, I've never made them but could marinate cucumbers in ACV with some dill and sweetener. I shouldn't eat fruit anyway because of the blood sugar. Cheese is a whole different issue. Is a real staple in my house (like tomatos used to be, had to pretty much eliminate them due to blood sugar).

I do recall that when I first did Atkins 72, things were much better than when I started doing the fiber subtraction. I really do have the keep the carb count at 30 (and not net) or less to lose. I also know that my protein is too high, I need to get the fats back up to around 65% to 70%. Just remembering how nice my fingernails were (I've always bitten them and suddenly I have these nice fingernails) and a comment was made that I'd probably killed off the yeast. As usuall, I really didn't make the connection. At that time I'd add flax oil to my daily routine and attributed them to that.

Sorry for the rambling.

Did the spit test this morning, also had hubby do it. Yep, both positive. Sure hope I can convince him to do Atkins 72 for a couple of weeks and hope there is improvement in the itch dept., then I have a chance of winning him over.

Thanks Tooter for letting me know I'm not being ignored.

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Kris T, aren't you the one who said you were taking Oil of Oregano? May I ask in what form and how much it was?

The reason I am asking, is that I made the trip to my health food store (they were REALLY busy) and I found Oil of Oregano that was aromatherapy. It was about $12 a bottle. I realized that would not be the one I needed.

I found another bottle of it (same size) as a supplement and that tiny bottle was $32!!! I didn't find any in pill form and they were too busy (and I was in too much a hurry) to ask.

So, I'm waiting on the next trip there to decide if I am going to get it etc. Besides that, I'm doing enough right now without adding more in, just yet.

I couldn't find grapefruit seed extract (Whew, I said it right this time).

I Did pick up Xylitol plus packets. Xylitol and Stevia to sweeten things with.

I stopped by Barnes and Nobles and picked up "The Diet Cure". Can't wait to get started reading it.

So, that was my day. How was yours? lol
Tooter, I don't know if you meant me, Kristin or Kris T. Anyway, I purchased my oil of oregano in gel-caps at Wegmans in the health/organic food department. They were cheaper than anything else I purchased. I think $8.99/90 caps. I was grocery shopping so I just picked it up there.
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Sheryl. I agree with your "choices" and also not doing things too drastic at once. You change a little bit...see how it goes and then decide if you need or want to go stricter.

I can't STRESS enough, that the more you do, the stronger the Die off reaction is.

You do not want a strong die off reaction. Although it means the yeast are dying, it also can make you very sick.

I was one of those "all or nothing" people when I tried to do the anti yeast diet years ago. OMG, the die off was horrible. I vowed, never again.

So, my advice would be to make changes slowly. Don't jump in with both feet, unless you plan on lying down for awhile.

The reason Prozak and I can go so strict, is because we have been a lot stricter then other people on atkins.


Now, if "Die off" appears to be too strong for any of you, you need to "back off" a little on what you are doing. To the point that the "die off" isn't as strong. Then after a few days, you can try to go up again.

It's keeping the die off at a place you can manage.

Did that make sense?
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Tooter, I don't know if you meant me, Kristin or Kris T. Anyway, I purchased my oil of oregano in gel-caps at Wegmans in the health/organic food department. They were cheaper than anything else I purchased. I think $8.99/90 caps. I was grocery shopping so I just picked it up there.
Thank you!!!! Dang it. I almost went there to look for them. At least I know where they are now.

Thank you, so much, Kristin4. I think I did get you mixed up with Kris T.
Please forgive me.
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We are in the Women's forum now? Like Candida doesn't happen to men?
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We are in the Women's forum now? Like Candida doesn't happen to men?
they moved us??????????
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Well, shoot. I just went to the link at netrition. I should order if from them!
I was just about to suggest that you order it. It's soooo much cheaper to get it that way. I don't know about yours, but our "health food" store is waaaayyyyyy over-priced.
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