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Old 01-06-2009, 12:35 AM   #1351
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What are central reward systems?

Excema, as I mentioned before, I think you're in the UK, and I know a lot of people here rely on takeout and pre-packaged meals from the supermarkets and don't know how to cook. Tooter started a thread for you in this forum so people could give you suggestions. I'll post a few there for you:

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[COLOR="Purple"] I apologize for this in advance, but you sound like my friend Shan's soon-to-be ex-husband. When I first learned of the candida WOE I told him about it and he dismissed it out of hand saying exactly what you are saying, that there's nothing to eat. Or worse yet, that it had no taste. But that's not true. All it takes is a little imagination, of which he had none. I know that man was full of yeast, but he wasn't going to take advice from anyone. He's in jail now and I say good riddance to bad rubbish. I'm sorry, I digress.

Ok, so you don't cook. There are plenty of things you can have without cooking.

For instance: You obviously like yogurt, so have some plain yogurt and add some Alfafa Sprouts to it. You'll get the benefit of the yogurt and the nutrition of the sprouts. Do you have a blender? Then take 8 ozs of yogurt, an handful of ice cubes, 1 raw egg (optional) and a dash of vanilla (or some other extract flavoring) and whiz them up in the blender for a tasty, health shake. Want some sweetening? Add some stevia. I get it in little packets like sugar, so just one packet will more than do. Or make Yogurt Popcicles (or Yo-cicles) by taking a cup of plain yogurt, adding a dash of vanilla or some other flavoring extract of your choice, and a packet of stevia, and mix it al together and pour it into popsicle molds, insert sticks and freeze. Makes a great treat when you're hot, or just want a frozen confection. If you want some veggies and you want to dip them in something, just take some of the yogurt and add Mrs. Dash or some other herb blend. No more boring veggies.

So you see these are just a few ways to think outside the box, so to speak. And best of all, they require NO Cooking.

I know we're all giving you suggestions which sound to you as if we're telling you what you absolutely have to do no matter what, and that makes us sound bossy. But we honestly don't mean to be. It's just that we've all been where you are now, to varying degrees, and we all know that a good, solid eating plan is the most important part of beating the yeast. You're just going have to work at it in little bits until you find what's right for you.

A suggested question for the dietitian; does she (or he) know where there are cooking classes you can take? If you're going to be on this eating plan then you just going to have to break down and learn to cook whether you want to or not. Just remember you're not trying to be some world famous chef, you're just one person who wants to make healthy and nutritious food for yourself. And who knows, you might just find it fun. [/COLOR]
Thanks for the advice but I can't eat yougurt as I'm allergic to milk - same with eggs. I found out yesterday but have had problems with these foods throughout the years. Wheat and yeast is the same. I'm having a blood test on thursday to see about Strawberry's and my nurse is checking for aching symptoms.

When you say stevia (do you realise that sweeners can cause cancer?) Also what is the difference? how does your body know what is sugar and what is a sweetner? Surley the yeast will feed on the sweetner too?
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What are central reward systems?
I think this occurs in the brain where our neurotransmitters send "good feeling" signals called dopamine? I know dopamine affects a lot of areas in our body like heart, blood pressure and nerves.

I am sure someone here has a better description of it but that is what I remember reading.
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Thanks for the advice but I can't eat yougurt as I'm allergic to milk - same with eggs. I found out yesterday but have had problems with these foods throughout the years. Wheat and yeast is the same. I'm having a blood test on thursday to see about Strawberry's and my nurse is checking for aching symptoms.

When you say stevia (do you realise that sweeners can cause cancer?) Also what is the difference? how does your body know what is sugar and what is a sweetner? Surley the yeast will feed on the sweetner too?
Choices of Sweetener are 2 that are more Natural.

Stevia is a Natural sweetener and then there is Xylitol that is also considered by Some to also be an anti-fungal. You can also Mix the two for more Natural/sweet taste.

Have you done any reading on Stevia or Xylitol?

A Word of CAUTION. Xylitol is very dangerous for pets and should be kept AWAY from pets so that they don't accidentally ingest it.
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Thanks for the advice but I can't eat yougurt as I'm allergic to milk - same with eggs. I found out yesterday but have had problems with these foods throughout the years. Wheat and yeast is the same. I'm having a blood test on thursday to see about Strawberry's and my nurse is checking for aching symptoms.

When you say stevia (do you realise that sweeners can cause cancer?) Also what is the difference? how does your body know what is sugar and what is a sweetner? Surley the yeast will feed on the sweetner too?
[COLOR="Purple"]Ahh, I didn't remember seeing that. However, I have known people who are allergic to milk still be able to have yogurt because the live yogurt cultures change it somehow to that it's better able to be digested. But check with the dietitian.

As to stevia, that is a natural sweetener, not a chemical. It comes from a plant that is so naturally sweet that less than 1/8th of a teaspoon sweetens as much as 1 teaspoon of sugar. My stepmother, who because of exposure to both a carbon dioxide and a natural gas leak which altered her whole system and made her allergic to almost everything you can think of, first told me about stevia. At the time I had a shop that had bulk herbs and I had some stevia in stock, but she wanted it in liquid form. I had only the powdered herb. I hadn't tried it before so I tried a tiny bit and found it to be very sweet.

If you Google Stevia you find quite a number of sites for it including a very good Wikipedia article with over 50 citations, both good and bad. Please check it out before lumping it in with such toxic sweeteners as Saccharin, Aspartame, Acesulfame potassium, Sucralose (Splenda(R)), and Neotame. The bottom line is that stevia has been used for over 1500 years and there have never been any reports of ill effects among people who used stevia.

As to how the body knows the difference between sugar and other sweeteners lies in the basic chemical structure of them. I don't pretend to be a chemist, but I do know that because sugar is a sugar (sucrose) the yeast will feed on it. To see how that happens try this simple experiment. Get some live yeast, the kind in packets used for making bread will work. Then get some sugar and some stevia, it doesn't matter what form. Take 2 clear glass containers - drinking glasses will do - and fill them with very warm water. It should be warm enough for you to take a shower comfortably. Divide the yeast and sprinkle it over the water and wait till all the yeast is dissolved. Then sprinkle the sugar, about a half a teaspoon, over the yeast water in one glass and do the same with the stevia. Now watch what happens to the yeast. The sugar will cause the yeast to bloom and foam up. Bread bakers call that "proofing the yeast". The stevia will just sit there and do nothing. That's why it is the best for sweetener for candida sufferers. It doesn't react with the yeast.

Ya know this would be a great thing to show other people struggling to understand what yeast does in our systems. I know it would scare the crap out of me. [/COLOR]
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"artificial sweeteners" and "sugar" are not the same thing... sure, sugar is a 'sweetener' but it is the glucose/fructose that feeds the yeast.

Sweeteners like stevia, xylitol, erythritol do not feed yeast.

carbs, in ANY form (milk, breads, potatoes, rice) are treated by the body the same as eating sugar. Some things might take longer (like steel cut oats or whole grains) but they still eventually raise our blood glucose levels. (glucose = sugar)

The 'artificial' sweeteners in some foods claim to pass through the body and are not absorbed...

By using the labels on the back of packaged foods, one can see the carb counts.. the higher they are, the more they will feed the yeast. Veggies contain very few carbs and the carbs in meats are negligible, so that is what most of us base our diets on.

Low carbohydrate diets are not just about weight loss, that is one of the biggest misconceptions out there... even on this message board not everyone 'gets' that.

[COLOR="Red"]Carbs = sugar
sugar feeds yeast and cancer.[/COLOR]
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ceccarp, what a cool experiment. I might just have to try that.
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[COLOR="Purple"]Here's an idea. Someone could do the experiment and make a video of it. Then we could put it on YouTube and put a link to it on the forum. [/COLOR]

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Thanks, Lady N for the quick story. I'm already sure that Candida is a factor in my lack of success on this WOE and my addiction to carbs. I did a yeast cleanse diet years ago when I didn't need to lose, and went from about 115 lbs down to 106. I DID remember it being a boring diet so I'm glad there are recipes and an active forum, not like on another site where the newest post is a few months old.

I'm currently taking a steroid inhaler for some severe bronchits, which is the only reason I have time to post, I've been out of work for a couple days. Will this mess with ketosis and yeast if I re-start low-carbing? It's Q-var, from the urgent care clinic, where they really wanted me to take a Medrol Dos-pak and I protested. Also I'm finishing up a Zpak which I'm sure is making the yeast very happy.

Should I get well before I re-start Atkins? Also, it's not recommended to start an anti-yeast plan right away? My DH was going to start Atkins with me this month and then I got sick. We both need to bring our blood pressure down as well as cholesterol and triglycerides. What kind of side effects will it produce? Also, can I do it with coffee? I never was able to give that up totally and I don't think I can go cold turkey.

I could sure use some help after gaining 30 pounds, I hate to look at myself in a mirror. And nothing fits. No, not just in my closet, not even stuff in the store -- I have a beach ball where my tummy used to be.
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[COLOR="Purple"]I was talking to a friend the other night. She reads First For Women magazine and was saying that there was something about Candida in the latest issue (the issue dated January 26, 2009). So last night when my BF & I went to Wal-Mart for some stuff for our new apartment, I checked it out. Sure enough there was a short article which quoted Carolyn Dean, M.D, N.D., and medical health adviser to YeastConnection.com. She gives some good advice, but the article kind of misses the mark. I'm guessing that was due to the editor rather than Dr. Dean.
"To truly get the probiotic benefit of yogurt, opt for the plain unsweetened kind (which can be sweetened with fresh fruit)."
The article also touts that at least one cup of yogurt a day can restore the probiotic levels in just 2 weeks and that the anti-fungal spices cayenne, curry, and cumin will keep yeast levels low. Really??? Has anyone heard of that one?? And curry is not a spice it's a mixture of spices, and not something I enjoy.

The article is just 2 pages of the magazine and on the second page has an information box telling some of the common foods that are yeasty or have mold.

Later in the magazine there is an ad for EvoraPlus: The First Probiotic Mints for Complete Oral Care. That's just odd. Also, there are a bunch of recipes, some of which are anti-yeast friendly. There are also a lot of yeast-friendly recipes that we can enjoy with our eyes. [/COLOR]
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[COLOR="Purple"]I was talking to a friend the other night. She reads First For Women magazine and was saying that there was something about Candida in the latest issue (the issue dated January 26, 2009). So last night when my BF & I went to Wal-Mart for some stuff for our new apartment, I checked it out. Sure enough there was a short article which quoted Carolyn Dean, M.D, N.D., and medical health adviser to YeastConnection.com. She gives some good advice, but the article kind of misses the mark. I'm guessing that was due to the editor rather than Dr. Dean.
"To truly get the probiotic benefit of yogurt, opt for the plain unsweetened kind (which can be sweetened with fresh fruit)."
The article also touts that at least one cup of yogurt a day can restore the probiotic levels in just 2 weeks and that the anti-fungal spices cayenne, curry, and cumin will keep yeast levels low. Really??? Has anyone heard of that one?? And curry is not a spice it's a mixture of spices, and not something I enjoy.

The article is just 2 pages of the magazine and on the second page has an information box telling some of the common foods that are yeasty or have mold.

Later in the magazine there is an ad for EvoraPlus: The First Probiotic Mints for Complete Oral Care. That's just odd. Also, there are a bunch of recipes, some of which are anti-yeast friendly. There are also a lot of yeast-friendly recipes that we can enjoy with our eyes. [/COLOR]
I call that "Food Porn"!! I also call Romance Novels... "Housewife porn".

About Oral Care... Doing some research on the Candida/Cancer link thread...About Baking soda... From what I read, this is one of the BEST things to brush your teeth with and for Oral health care. Isn't it funny (Ironic) that it's the OLD remedies that hold out and work the best!?!?!
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I took the plunge and ordered a candida cookbook. I'm gonna find out what i can eat and can't and make some bread.
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I took the plunge and ordered a candida cookbook. I'm gonna find out what i can eat and can't and make some bread.
Good for you.
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[COLOR="Purple"]A new health report on NPR's Morning Edition this morning that ticked me off...... at least partially. I'm going to listen it again to make sure I got it right, but from what I gleaned it was about people dealing with their weight gain due to holiday eating.

Gut Reaction: Overeating Can Impair Body Function

While some of this makes sense, the statements about a link between fat and loss of sleep I find totally bogus.[/COLOR]
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I am totally hooked on Doug Kaufmann's daily episodes...almost inspired to buy those books.

Note to self: raw garlic cloves as an anti-fungal does not win friends in your house!
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Note to self: raw garlic cloves as an anti-fungal does not win friends in your house!
[COLOR="Purple"] Especially if you're daubing it behing your ears like perfume.

Seriously, if you're in charge of the food preparation put them all on garlic. It'll do them all good. [/COLOR]
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I made some bread today out of soya flour and rice flour - plus other incredients! I also went to the health food shop and bought some decent food. Rice cakes, oat cakes, puffed rice cereal ect...

I've stopped caffeine and tea now and started drinking herbal and red bush.

I've cut down on sugar to just fruit at tea-time. Noticed that yeast is now visible in my waters (toilet)

Once the fruit goes I'm down to an anti candida diet. When do you introduce the anti-fungals - probiotics?

I'm taking garlic and multi vitamins now. I feel less foggy and bright lights bother me less. Already have more energy after a few days.

Still tired but sleeping more due to no caffiene
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Surprisingly, sometimes fungus throughout the mucous system of the body is the culprit. At least that was my situation. I had constant yeast infections, constant sinus and ear infections, allergies to almost every environmental floaty. I used Oil of Oreganol after reading "The Cure is in the Cupboard" which takes Oil of Oreganol a little too far as the cure for everything. But since it is a natural product I followed the directions and all was "cured" after 5 weeks. I couldn't believe it. I now take it 3-4 times per week just in case, and haven't had any of the old problems in over 8 years.

Everyone is different. Candida and yeast infections and sinus etc are devils in the body. Best of luck in everyone's search for what works for them.
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Bread is disgusting but then it will be without wheat, yeast and sugar. I might throw that batch away and make some oat bread instead. The moist corn bread is horrible and doesn't toast properly.

My excema is still bad but it might get worse as the candida is eliminated? I didn't sleep too good either last night yawn. But I still see the candida coming out of my body so I'll continue...

Food is very boring though - I mean I like rice and oats as much as the next guy but it gets old after a while.
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Surprisingly, sometimes fungus throughout the mucous system of the body is the culprit. At least that was my situation. I had constant yeast infections, constant sinus and ear infections, allergies to almost every environmental floaty. I used Oil of Oreganol after reading "The Cure is in the Cupboard" which takes Oil of Oreganol a little too far as the cure for everything. But since it is a natural product I followed the directions and all was "cured" after 5 weeks. I couldn't believe it. I now take it 3-4 times per week just in case, and haven't had any of the old problems in over 8 years.

Everyone is different. Candida and yeast infections and sinus etc are devils in the body. Best of luck in everyone's search for what works for them.
That is really interesting. The first thing I notice is more Mucus and a slight cough when my Candida is acting up. It's one of the first signs That I am at an Imbalance. When I started using the Oil of Oregano, Right away, I noticed a difference. HUGE difference. The Grapefruit seed extract didn't seem to do anything for me. I know that some people swear by the GSE, but I don't notice any difference when using it.

Oil of Oregano...Seems to do the trick for me.

Ok, you used it for 5 weeks and continue to use it a few times a week? The reason I ask, is that we keep reading the advice about rotating the antifungals so they stay effective. You kept using the "Oil of Oregano" with no problems.

hmm....

I stopped it, because of the "rotation" advice. Nothing seems to work as well for me, as the "Oil of Oregano".

You've had no problems using the same thing with no "rotation".

I'm just trying to "Sift through" all this.

How long have you been using Oil of Oregano?
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Cats From Texas, can you give me any more info?

I guess I am going to have to order the book, "The Cure is in the Cupboard"!! lol

All I know (from listening to my own body) is that I feel my best, when I am taking the "Oil of Oregano". Your post really spiked my interest, because I don't feel as "good" rotating and taking other antifungals (as the advice of the experts).

Maybe I should just go back to the "Oil of Oregano" and stop the rotation thing.
Maybe this applies to "Me" because of the Mucus thing?

Anyways, I would love any more info that you can give me.


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I made some bread today out of soya flour and rice flour - plus other incredients! I also went to the health food shop and bought some decent food. Rice cakes, oat cakes, puffed rice cereal ect...

I've stopped caffeine and tea now and started drinking herbal and red bush.

I've cut down on sugar to just fruit at tea-time. Noticed that yeast is now visible in my waters (toilet)

Once the fruit goes I'm down to an anti candida diet. When do you introduce the anti-fungals - probiotics?

I'm taking garlic and multi vitamins now. I feel less foggy and bright lights bother me less. Already have more energy after a few days.

Still tired but sleeping more due to no caffiene
I don't have any advice to give you as to when to start the anti-fungals.

The advice that I know is to stop feeding the yeast first and the rice cakes, oat cakes, bread and puffed rice cereal would still be feeding the yeast.

I guess you need to take the advice of the people who are telling you that it's ok to eat those things. What do they tell you to do?
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I agree with tooter, no point in adding antifugals as long as you are feeding it.

You will only induce a strain of really hard-to-kill yeast.

I find it hard to wrap my brain around a candida diet that includes such obvious candida foods.

But if this is a 'step' to getting rid of the foods, then good job! Getting rid of sugar alone is hard enough, but you also need to get rid of the other foods that our body treats like sugar as well.

Then you do the antifungals.
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I don't have any advice to give you as to when to start the anti-fungals.

The advice that I know is to stop feeding the yeast first and the rice cakes, oat cakes, bread and puffed rice cereal would still be feeding the yeast.

I guess you need to take the advice of the people who are telling you that it's ok to eat those things. What do they tell you to do?
I haven't seen a dietian yet but the book by Erica White says you can eat rice cakes made of whole brown rice. Same with puffed rice cereal and special bread that you make using oats, soya flour, whole brown rice flour and maize. You need to cut out caffine, fruit, yeast and sugar. On this diet you can still eat potatoes, carrots and oats. She says that there's some candida diets that are too ristrictive and some that aren't ristrictive enough. saying that she recommends avoiding bacon, sausage ect...if smoked as salt produces sugar in the body like caffine does.

I believe your supposed to follow the four point plan - first being diet then vitamins (which i'm doing) followed by anti fungals and then pro-biotics.

You're supposed to do this for three months and then gradually re-introduce the foods and then after a month stop eating them for a year... then you should be candida free and able to eat normally again (but not sugar)

So, this is what I'm following and I feel much better after a few days and I can see the yeast in the toilet as proof
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She definitely says you can have porridge oats, whole puffed rice or shredded wheat for breakfast
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Old 01-14-2009, 01:35 PM   #1379
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Hi ladies. I just wanted to introduce myself. I've been reading this thread for almost a week and only got about half way through so far. I know I have yeast problems, and am ready to start taking care of it. I started researching no yeast diets for my autistic daughter, and it morphed into being for me too. I tried taking sugar and yeast out about a week ago, and we had such bad die off that my daughter actually vomitted from it. I almost did, I could do nothing but lay on the couch because I was so sick and had such bad heart palpitations that if I stood up I got dizzy and couldn't breathe.

This time around we are cutting sugars back slowly. I'm still going to allow fruits for the next two weeks to give us more time to adjust. Then after that we will cut them out too. I've been trying to eat really healthy the past three or four years, but have never had to watch what I ate. I know I'm going to need support to make it through this, and after reading what you all are doing I think I'm in the right place.
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Old 01-14-2009, 02:22 PM   #1380
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Tooter: I took that CURE book seriously and used the Oil of O about every hour. I also put it on my finger tip and swabbed my ear; put it under my nose. (I also doused my cuticles, hands and feet, at night and boy what an improvement... probably just the oil.) I did this overdose routine for 2 months and then gradually tapered to 1-2 times per day, then 1/day, etc. I've never even thought of trying something else, although have never heard of the switch theory. I switched a long time ago to the Oil of O Super Strength and I swear by the N American Herb & Spice brand, although health food stores carry several brands. I buy mine several at a time, online, at luckyvitamins dot com, because it's soooo much cheaper than in stores. Have never checked Netrition, although think I will to see if they carry NAHS. Google NAHS and read about the oil study done by Georgetown U. WEb Address is: North American Herb and Spice - Welcome

BTW, until starting low carb October 2007 (and a short time in 2002), I was HEAVY into carb eating, especially refined carbs.

I read about the "mucous system of the body" in a New York Times article about 8 years ago; then a friend introduced me to the oil of o and I put 2+2... you know. My great MD got very interested in my "cure" and checked with his Weill Cornell Medical School buddies, who apparently confirmed that Oil of O can address problems like mine when they're fungal related. Being, then a typical MD, he didn't go further on the subject. But, at least I felt a bit justified for my obsession with this stuff.

I also use the oil for anything one would think of for antibiotic: sore throat, cuts, burns, etc. Seems to do a great job on everything as far as quick healing goes.

Hope this isn't too much info, but I become quite preacher-esque on the subject.

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