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Old 09-15-2008, 06:52 AM   #31
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hey folks

can you tell me what I should be looking for on the label of the ACV to indicate it contains the 'mother'? I just went to our health food store but to be honest the 2 or 3 brands they had there didn't seem to indicate anything different from the regular one I buy at my supermarket (Aspall Organic Cyder vinegar.)

Aspall Organic Cyder Vinegar 500ml

I live in the UK so it might be we don't have many to choose from (and my local health food store is not the best...
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hey folks

can you tell me what I should be looking for on the label of the ACV to indicate it contains the 'mother'? I just went to our health food store but to be honest the 2 or 3 brands they had there didn't seem to indicate anything different from the regular one I buy at my supermarket (Aspall Organic Cyder vinegar.)

Aspall Organic Cyder Vinegar 500ml

I live in the UK so it might be we don't have many to choose from (and my local health food store is not the best...

The Vinegar will be Cloudy, with all kinds of Sediment at the bottom of the bottle. It looks like it has stuff floating in it. It's not "clear" from top to bottom like refined vinegar that you see in the store.

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From the picture it doesn't appear to have the mother but it could be deceiving. The mother is distinct and cloudy and settles at the bottom of the bottle and the bottle has to be shaken each time you use it. Look for unfiltered organic with the mother.
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So what would be the first thing you would reccomend a person do if they feel they have yeast? CO?
Start slowly. You don't want to get awful die off...you want to control the die off and work your way.

If it was me and I was starting off all over again? I would start out with CO. Just a teaspoon at first. See how it goes....Then 2 teaspoons etc..

Then slowly work AVC and probiotics in.
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From the picture it doesn't appear to have the mother but it could be deceiving. The mother is distinct and cloudy and settles at the bottom of the bottle and the bottle has to be shaken each time you use it. Look for unfiltered organic with the mother.
We posted at the same time. Your thoughts were mine, exactly.
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[COLOR="Purple"]Good morning, Tooter! I did the yeast saliva test and it was positive. I'm using the CO, but the ACV (just 1 tsp in water w/sweetener) is . The vinegar flavor is soooooo strong. I'm taking my probiotic and I've given up the cheese and peanuts. Would you mind sharing what your average daily diet is? [/COLOR]
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From the picture it doesn't appear to have the mother but it could be deceiving. The mother is distinct and cloudy and settles at the bottom of the bottle and the bottle has to be shaken each time you use it. Look for unfiltered organic with the mother.
Thanks, and to you too Tooter. This is extremely helpful advice.
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[COLOR="Purple"]Good morning, Tooter! I did the yeast saliva test and it was positive. I'm using the CO, but the ACV (just 1 tsp in water w/sweetener) is . The vinegar flavor is soooooo strong. I'm taking my probiotic and I've given up the cheese and peanuts. Would you mind sharing what your average daily diet is? [/COLOR]
JennyJ, do you drink ice tea? I have put ACV in Ice tea with stevia, and it taste almost like apple juice or Apple cider. Also, maybe don't use as much AVC. If you are drinking tea through out the day, Then add less ACV to it. The taste won't be as strong, you can drink it...enjoy it and still get the benefits of it.

As for what my daily diet is now? Gosh, we all go through stages, don't we? lol



Right now, I start out my day with Fage Yogurt.

2 cups of coffee in the morning.

2 to 3 cups of green tea with CO added to it.

Water with ACV or Iced tea with AVC and stevia

Mainly Protein and low carb veggies for meals.

I will add a little cheese to my salads (That's a way I can have it and not over do the amounts and have portion control).


When I need something sweet, I will make Coconut Oil bark. Maybe once a week.

The important thing is not how "I" eat. It's learning about what foods effect you and make you feel your best. How they effect you...how often you can have them.

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I almost forgot to add...

For snacks I have been slicing Cucumber and a little onion, drizzle some ACV on it and adding salt and pepper.

Totally KILLS any cravings, makes me feel full and gets more ACV in me. A lot of you who are having a hard time with ACV drinks, might want to try this to get the AVC in. It's more savory and might be easier.

Also, on my salads, I use Olive oil and ACV.

I'm going to experiment with marinating raw veggies in AVC and water. Like picked cauliflower, celery...etc.

Just trying to throw out some ideas here.
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For those of you wondering about the Candida Saliva test...


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Here is my little knowledge of yeast---all from a show called Know the Cause. If you dot com it it will come up. The best show ever! Anyway, Doug Kaufmann believes that yeast is what causes most modern diseases. He has a book called "What Makes Bread Rise" as well as others. He says that if your doctor doesn't believe that you have candida or yeast issues and won't give you a script (most won't) then the best way to fight it is through diet. Then you do the supplements. The diet is the most important though. Back in the olden days before they had diflucan and nystatin they used diet to treat yeast issues. You have to starve the yeast so it has nothing to feed on--it feeds on sugar. Therefore the Atkins diet is good, but you have to modify it as stated above. Then if you can, add in the supplements. Good ones to take are oil of oregano, olive leaf extract, coconut oil, probiotics--again as mentioned above. It is important to note that it may take months to get rid of candida/yeast. It just depends on how much it has overpowered your system.

My story: I was nursing my 4 month old son (he was born in 1999) and we were passing thrush back and forth. His pediatrician gave us Nystatin (in a base of sugar!) for his tongue and my breasts. It didn't work. At the same time one of my playgroup moms was losing weight and she said it was Atkins. I read the book because she said that for snacks she was eating ham and cheese. I wanted to do that too! After reading this book I was at my wits end on what to do with this thrush. Then my DH looked up La Leche League for relief of thrush and what to do. They were the ones who said to modify your diet and the diet looked exactly like what Atkins looked like. I started induction to rid myself of the candida and promised myself that if Chris didn't like it I would stop. But just the opposite happened. We got almost immediate relief and it was without doing the anti-candida diet! The ped (of course) said that Chris' immune system had kicked in. They would say that! I believe it was the diet. I was a believer since that day. Wow Tooter! What a coincidence! Same start date. I remember it was July of 1999 because it was right around my birthday.
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Hello to all - great thread as I had tests and shows I have candida - now how to get rid of it....going to the alternative health professional I was going to, was way to costly. Now I have been doing a lot of reading to try and cure this..I am also doing lc as I have about 75 pounds to lose and it doesn't move easily. Here is my question..I thought my doctor told me to avoid vinegars, sugar, etc....so is the vinegar you are talking about here totally diffent than just a plain vinegar? I buy braggs vinegar, and I believe it's the mother, but I stopped taking it when he talked with me about it. I didn't want the candida to grow more. Maybe I just got confused, who knows. I am reading the links that you have mentioned in hopes to learn more. I will now add the CO to my diet - slowly and see. Has anyone done the CO detox diet? Glad you started this and very happy I found you...later, ladies..
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I wanted to ammend what I said earlier. Doug Kaufmann believes that fungus is the root of all of modern day "diseases" not only yeast. Yeast if just one kind of fungus and there are many others. He thinks that all wheat--wether it be organic or not--is toxic because of the mold that grows while it is waiting to be processed. They talk about the silos of wheat that get mold. That is only one example of a food that has mold and causes problems in us. The mold in our food supply is a bigger problem than anything else. What I also like about him is that he admits that he is also human--he goes out to Starbucks and italian places to eat. He does that only occasionally and knows how to combat the icky feelings he has afterwards. He takes probiotics to boost the immune system and prevent a host of things, including any food borne illnesses. Any one who has suffered food poisoning should understand. Anyway, I am thankful to any and all info regarding candida/yeast because it really it the pits!
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Jane,

Just a few posts above explains why ACV is good and the regular grocery store variety is not good. Physicians don't understand a lot of this type of stuff. I believe Fawn said it had to do with the pasturization? Anyway, the apple cider vinegar with the mother is very good for everyone--candida or not.
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Hello everyone. Haven't posted much outside of the Health section in a long time - but I'm looking to engage! Just wanted to say thanks Tooter for starting this thread. And WOW your story is so sad - I can't imagine being such a young mother and battling these health problems and the doctors too. And your husband who sounds like he was scared / frustrated also.

Like so many of you, I battled what I think was a fairly mild (relatively speaking) yeast problem about a year ago. I followed the supplements protocol at Whole Approach's web site. That really helped clear up some of my symptoms.

I continued to experience symptoms such as difficulty sleeping at night, then exhaustion during the day....and especially bothersome was the inability to lose weight regardless of vigilent exercise and low carb diet.

Turns out that a lot of symptoms of yeast problems are also symptoms of low thyroid, and also symptoms related to estrogen / progesterone imbalances. Turns out I had issues in all three of these categories!!

With excellent information gleaned here at LCF, I feel fortunate to have a doctor who is an MD, and also an "anti-aging specialist" who is up to speed on all the latest in bio-identical hormones, thyroid treatment, AND fungus related problems. She promotes probiotics and an anti-fungla diet to ALL of her patients (whether they choose to follow her advice or not).

Especially for those who are frustrated with inability to lose weight even while following a program that SHOULD be working.....thought I'd complicate matters with some additional things to consider!!

If anyone is in the Chicago area and would like the contact info for my doctor just PM me. I am a lucky one. Thank goodness for the great info shared by so many here at LCF. No telling what sort of physical mess I would be at this point without you guys!! I'm finally on track getting this weight back off and most importantly, FEELING good!!

I need to get more CO in each day. Very good reminders for a lot of things through this thread - even for those of us who have fought the fight before!

Thanks again Tooter and all contributors!

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[COLOR="Purple"]Thanks, Tooter! I tried putting only 1/2 teaspoon of ACV in my Crystal Light pink lemonade and I can't taste it at all, so I figure, I'll just drink it this way since I can easily drink 2 glasses of that! Here's a question for you (or anyone else who might know) ~ On the occasions when I do eat cheese or anything else of the mold variety, if I were to drink an ACV cocktail along with it, would that negate the negative effects the cheese might have on the yeast in my body? Just thinkin' ahead.....thanks again for being so helpful! [/COLOR]
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What a great post! I am so happy that you have a great doctor. I cannot even get my OBGYN to prescribe enough Diflucan when I get a vaginal yeast infection! I wish I lived in the Chicago area. I know of an MD in Texas who believes in fugus being the root cause of problems, but alas I am not in Texas either! I can understand the frustrations of docs though--with the symptoms that present in candida they mimic so much other "diseases" that it is difficult to pinpoint. I just wish doctors would believe it can be yeast. They need so much more training.
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I wanted to ammend what I said earlier. Doug Kaufmann believes that fungus is the root of all of modern day "diseases" not only yeast. Yeast if just one kind of fungus and there are many others. He thinks that all wheat--wether it be organic or not--is toxic because of the mold that grows while it is waiting to be processed. They talk about the silos of wheat that get mold. That is only one example of a food that has mold and causes problems in us. The mold in our food supply is a bigger problem than anything else. What I also like about him is that he admits that he is also human--he goes out to Starbucks and italian places to eat. He does that only occasionally and knows how to combat the icky feelings he has afterwards. He takes probiotics to boost the immune system and prevent a host of things, including any food borne illnesses. Any one who has suffered food poisoning should understand. Anyway, I am thankful to any and all info regarding candida/yeast because it really it the pits!
He has a lot of information.

I believe he thinks some Hair loss is also due to Yeast. This could happen 2 ways. Topically (It's on your scalp and on your hair and hair shaft) and also internally. With all the Yeast in your gut, you can't process the biotin and other vitamins and minerals. Also, Biotin is the very thing needed to help the "Friendly" bacteria in your guts. Maybe this is why A lot of people have to take 5000 Mg of Biotin (or more) to get results from Biotin?

Just a thought.

Anyways...I Like Doug!
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Ok, so I decided to go with the ACV since it has the added benefit of the blood sugar going on. I went to the grocery store just to see if they had it. They had ONE bottle left on a very empty section of shelf!

I put two capfuls in about 20 oz of water, and a splash of SF vanilla davinici's. I really liked it! I don't ever drink flavored water, and I can't stand lemon in my water, but this was really something different and refreshing.

But, what's weird is that I'm having the same problem I had with the coconut oil. It's almost as if it's stripped my throat of moisture. When I swallow, my throat feels swollen and it's hard to swallow.
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[COLOR="Purple"]Thanks, Tooter! I tried putting only 1/2 teaspoon of ACV in my Crystal Light pink lemonade and I can't taste it at all, so I figure, I'll just drink it this way since I can easily drink 2 glasses of that! Here's a question for you (or anyone else who might know) ~ On the occasions when I do eat cheese or anything else of the mold variety, if I were to drink an ACV cocktail along with it, would that negate the negative effects the cheese might have on the yeast in my body? Just thinkin' ahead.....thanks again for being so helpful! [/COLOR]

I would think as long as you are taking you ACV and not over doing the Cheese, you should be OK. It's more about being consistent in eating and treating the yeast. Don't over do it on the cheese.

That's why Atkins worked better for me, then the anti Candida diet. The die off effects are slower, but not as intense and you can still have some things you love.

A little cheese, doesn't bother me at all! It will stall me, if I eat too much of it. Grains...That's another story. They cause symptoms right away.
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Tooter, or anyone who might know, just wondering if vital wheat gluten and/or wheat protein isolate feed the yeast. I've started doing a lot of cooking (think desserts and breads here) and certainly hope not. Thinking I'm okay on that issue as I don't get the breakout that I do with regular bread and pasta.

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can you tell me what I should be looking for on the label of the ACV to indicate it contains the 'mother'? I just went to our health food store but to be honest the 2 or 3 brands they had there didn't seem to indicate anything different from the regular one I buy at my supermarket (Aspall Organic Cyder vinegar.)

Aspall Organic Cyder Vinegar 500ml

I live in the UK so it might be we don't have many to choose from (and my local health food store is not the best...
I originally bought Aspall as well but it's not the right stuff. I did a search on ebay and found a seller in the UK for ACV with mother. It comes in a blue bottle (can't think of the seller's name) and I checked it and it's cloudy. I actually love the taste of it and take a sip, neat, every day. I love sour stuff though. Interestingly enough, my husband has a sweet tooth and he finds the ACV refreshing as well.

I'll look up the name of the seller if you're interested.
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Is there a certain time of the day that ACV should be taken? I heard somewhere that it should not be taken too late at night as it could keep you awake..has anyone heard that before? Also, what about CO? Any advice on when and/or how often? I have been doing lots of reading, but wondering what your experience has been for those of you who do these? Thanks.
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You girls have some awesome links, advice and references.

90% of the folks on this board probably have candida. Conditions inside or outside the home can also contribute.

One round of antibiotics can do it......

Some never completely irradicate it.....

A multi irradication process is highly recommended as well as a very high dose of pro-biotics for those who think they have a bad case.

Dr. Ohira's makes a pretty strong claim with their pro-biotics against candida.

Consistent consumption of coconut oil will keep it at bay. (with consistent denial of sugar to feed it as well)
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Is there a certain time of the day that ACV should be taken? I heard somewhere that it should not be taken too late at night as it could keep you awake..has anyone heard that before? Also, what about CO? Any advice on when and/or how often? I have been doing lots of reading, but wondering what your experience has been for those of you who do these? Thanks.
I tried ACV for the first time around 8 p.m. and was pretty wired until way past bedtime. I now take it first thing in the morning (7 a.m.,) again around 11:00 a.m. and another shot between 2 and 3, depending on my class schedule for the day. As long as I don't take if after 4 p.m. I'm fine. After one week, my energy is so much better and the water bloat I had in my abdomen is finally going away.

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I originally bought Aspall as well but it's not the right stuff. I did a search on ebay and found a seller in the UK for ACV with mother. It comes in a blue bottle (can't think of the seller's name) and I checked it and it's cloudy. I actually love the taste of it and take a sip, neat, every day. I love sour stuff though. Interestingly enough, my husband has a sweet tooth and he finds the ACV refreshing as well.

I'll look up the name of the seller if you're interested.
Thanks - would be great if you can find out the brand/site. Holland & Barrett doesn't have it. What a rubbish health food store, eh?
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TXUKGAL - is this the product?

Organic Apple Cider Vinegar by Higher Nature, Essential Fatty Acids, UK

And is this about the right amount of money it should cost?
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Tooter, or anyone who might know, just wondering if vital wheat gluten and/or wheat protein isolate feed the yeast. I've started doing a lot of cooking (think desserts and breads here) and certainly hope not. Thinking I'm okay on that issue as I don't get the breakout that I do with regular bread and pasta.

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This is a difficult question to answer, because it really depends on where you are at and what you want.

When I started low carb, I just followed the diet and that took care of Symptoms. At that point, I was baking and making the breads with that stuff. They didn't effect me.

As I went On, on my Journey, I realized that I just didn't need to control the symptoms but actually get my flora back into a balance. That ment eating more "Natural" and starting to take things that were anti-yeast and other things that would build the good bacteria up.

I guess it depends on where you are at in your journey and what you want. There is no "Pat" answer for this. No right or wrong.

I don't know if that actually "answered" your question.:blush:
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Old 09-16-2008, 05:28 AM   #60
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Tooter back in the day a bunch of us here followed the deyeasting plan for a challenge...I am not yeasty but many of our old school pals did it...it was the plan with the oil of oregano(available in gelatin tabs in many health food shops)..lemme look elsewhere.

And yeah...cheese was out completely.Poo.
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