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Old 08-14-2009, 11:34 AM   #1051
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Oh honey, I am NOT done yet. It's not a set point issue at all, and it's not the case that I'm veering dangerously close to being underweight or anything--Lord no! I'm only five three and a half--I could theoretically get down to 120 and be fine. (However, I won't, because 120 is pretty skeeeeeny on my frame and I don't want that.)

It's just that we are supposed to slow it down and take several months to lose those last ten pounds. I'm trying to be conscientious! But really, the bottom line is this:

I am absolutely happy with how I'm eating; I don't cheat: I'm not struggling with temptation; I am not afraid to try new foods. I just am not particularly interested in certain foods at the moment, and I am a creature of habit and routine.

Anyway, how're you doing, halo?

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Old 08-14-2009, 04:28 PM   #1052
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lost another pound, so that is good. Splurged and had some watermelon today. Will have a little each day till it's gone. Bought a small seedless melon. If I stay with todays meal plan that will give me 30 carbs today...not too bad.

This really is the easiest eating plan to stick with. I am seldom hungry.

Fall classes start soon. I finally got the syllabus for my September class. So now it will be study, study, study. I am too old for this. I love studying, but hate being told I have too. I only take 2 in fall and 2 in spring so should finish up next year. That will put me graduating at 60.
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peanutte - could you post some of your suggestions for OWL for some of the newer folks on the board? I know you've been doing the "swap out" plan, and also you stick to XXX calories, and you have talked about how you only eat what you've planned ahead. Maybe you could talk about these a bit more? I know it has helped me in the past with evaluating my own eating, and I think we have some new folks on our lovely thread, so your ideas probably could use repeating!

My stomach is OK I guess...I'm starting to think that it's the additional carbs too that are causing the pains so I'm dropping any "extras" and getting back to basics for a couple of days but also trying to keep anything really greasy out of the way in case that isn't great right now. Eggs for breakfast, tuna salad for lunch, grilled chicken for dinner, and a couple of protein shakes for snacks, maybe an oz of cheese. We're literally out of veggies right now LOL but we make do I've got onions at least!
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Old 08-15-2009, 09:25 AM   #1054
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when you box gets there you'll have broccolli, cauliflower, shiratake mushrooms, and sun dried tomatoes along with some blackberries.
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Old 08-15-2009, 09:13 PM   #1055
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Dove, I do not feel like any kind of poster child for OWL because I am hypothyroid and thus I do have to keep a tighter handle on things that a lot of people do.

I started out last January on around 1500-1600 calories a day, most days. I currently eat 1000-1200 four days a week and about 1800-2000 three days a week. I know those lower-calorie days are low, but again, that is how I have been doing well and losing consistently. On 1000-1200 calories, I can have three perfectly healthy meals with protein, fat and veggies. I will never dip lower than that even if I don't lose any more weight. I am sort of rotating carbs and calories in a free-form way. I have 20-25 grams of carbs on those low days, and about 40-50 on the high days--but keep in mind, I have wine on the weekends, so that counts too.

However, I am loosening up as I get closer to Maintenance. Tonight we went out to a really nice upscale Mexican place and I--*gasp*--had a tortilla chip. Is that cheating? Oh, hell no. I am allowed to do that now, if I want to. I had one chip to see how it tasted, and frankly it wasn't great enough to have a second one. My entree was three hand-harvested diver scallops with bacon and rainbow chard in a hominy broth. Hominy, in case anyone doesn't know, is corn kernels that have been soaked in lye and are very large and less sweet and sort of tough in texture. I had some of the broth and a few of the hominy kernels. Eh, I'm not worried about those carbs. So as I move on, I am no longer feeling obligated to be quite so strict, though overall I am still very dedicated. A few months ago I would not have touched a chip or any form, or any kind of corn, with a ten-foot pole.

During the time that you are actively losing the weight you want and need to lose, I think you need to be very, very disciplined an never cheat or deviate if you can help it. But I've been reading Atkins for Life and I am getting comfortable with the idea of foods you can and should have often, less often, and rarely. It's a great book. Thanks for recommending it, 2big.

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Old 08-16-2009, 09:18 AM   #1056
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(I should say I have possibly as high as 40-50 a couple of days a week; I don't know for sure because I don't count on those days. This is fairly recent, too. I only started rotating like this a month or two ago.)
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Hi All,

Ive been reading through this thread and think I may join in

You will see from my stats that I reached goal in May 2007 and have been maintaining ever since. That's true, but there have been a couple of times that I started to gain not because I was eating the old way, but because my CCL was too high and I wasn't keeping close enough track of it! Now Im at 149, and I prefer to be 140, so Im going to go back to 25-30 grams a day. Its hard to cut out the yummy things I have now put back into my diet like a little serving of oatmeal (and I mean 2-3 T!) but if I want to get my weight back down, then that's what I need to do.

Also, the last time this happened which was year ago, it took me 5 weeks to lose 10 lbs
when before I could lose that in 2 weeks. Perhaps it's because I am close to goal.

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Old 08-16-2009, 12:41 PM   #1058
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welcome to OWL Bella
Gald you caught yourself at only 10 pounds.

part of OWL is finding your CCLL and then your CCLM should be one more carb as long as you keep your active life style ( don't you love that word for exercise Dr Atkins uses) the same your CCLM should stay the same as you age. However most folk become a little bit less active as they age and the CCLM goes down a bit but they fail to make that adjustment and poof pounds creep back on.


Peanutte I love the maintnenace parts of AFL because there is that how often to eat the veggies. like if you look pumpkin an induction legal veggies says moderately not every day LOL I can't tell you how many folk I knew in my losing days myself included were having pumpkin daily.
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Old 08-16-2009, 12:58 PM   #1059
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Yeah, I really like how he lays out a simple chart and gives guidelines as to how often or how seldom you should try some of these foods. I always wondered when I heard people saying they were having pumpkin "pudding" or pumpkin egg creams almost daily on Induction--that just didn't sound right to me. Oh, I also noticed in the cheese section he says "Make your portions small!" HELLO, I can't tell you how many times I have made that same comment like a broken record in the Lobby.

Hi, Bella! Welcome! I'm so impressed with our success and your ability to maintain your goal weight within ten pounds. Hey, your stats are really similar to mine. That gives me hope that I will be able to maintain, too! I also think it's great that you're taking control of the situation while you still only have a few pounds to deal with. That's smart of you.
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Old 08-16-2009, 02:19 PM   #1060
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I figured out Dr Atkins didn't always "know" what the real carbcounts were for cheese and just assumed all cheese was one carb per ounce so we had a limit even in OWL of just 5 more ounces cause if you look on the USDA website cheddar cheese actually has a carb count of .2 grams yep point two per ounce which means for those 5 new grams of carbs on level 2 of OWL technically we could have 25 ounces of cheddar cheese.

Same for nuts he says in DANDR once ounce is 5 grams of carbs so even if the packages sasy 2 grams per ounce we should still only have 1 ounce. If you look at the power of 5 in DANDR many of the carb counts are wrong as in too high for the actual listed serving size BUT since that is the amount DR atkins said his plan would woulk with in OWL that is the size limit we should all use.
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Thanks everyone

I usually am able to maintain within 3-4 lbs so long as I am careful. 140 is my low weight, so usually Im aiming for 145, and am now up 4. But I figure I may as well go for the lower one again!

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Old 08-16-2009, 03:14 PM   #1062
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D'oh! Bella, I made a typo. When I said:

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I obviously meant your success.
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I figured out Dr Atkins didn't always "know" what the real carbcounts were for cheese and just assumed all cheese was one carb per ounce so we had a limit even in OWL of just 5 more ounces cause if you look on the USDA website cheddar cheese actually has a carb count of .2 grams yep point two per ounce which means for those 5 new grams of carbs on level 2 of OWL technically we could have 25 ounces of cheddar cheese.

Same for nuts he says in DANDR once ounce is 5 grams of carbs so even if the packages sasy 2 grams per ounce we should still only have 1 ounce. If you look at the power of 5 in DANDR many of the carb counts are wrong as in too high for the actual listed serving size BUT since that is the amount DR atkins said his plan would woulk with in OWL that is the size limit we should all use.
Further to this train of thought, if you look at the suggested menu in the 2002 DANDR for the 2 weeks of Induction, you will note items that aren't allowed until at least Rung 3 (that's the nut Rung, right??) It's not always easy to try to "figure out" just what the intention is. Sometimes I think parts of the 2002 DANDR was a "cut and paste" job from some of the older writings, thus the conflict.
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Hi,

What I can share from two plus years of maintenance is that nuts are really problematic for alot of people. In fact, its nuts I have to cut out first if I start to gain at all.
Very hard to manage!

Just finished a very good day with carbs under 10. Just trying to get going...will raise
them soon I can say that I havent been hungry at all!

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D'oh! Bella, I made a typo. When I said:



I obviously meant your success.
Thanks, and we are all successes!

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*waves* Hi, just joined and I'm on OWL now. I'm jumping in here to join the OWLers.
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Old 08-18-2009, 12:03 PM   #1067
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Hello and welcome, JM! I hope you find helpful support and information here.
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Old 08-18-2009, 12:19 PM   #1068
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glad you came. you can read the topic and understand how to do OWl better while you wait for your book. are you doing the 72, 2002 or 92 Atkins?
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(I don't think she knows yet, 2big!)
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in her other post she said she had done atkins yrs ago

OWl is vastly different for 72 and 92 then for 2002 or AFL

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in her other post she said she had done atkins yrs ago

OWl is vastly different for 72 and 92 then for 2002 or AFL
Well the last time I did it in 06 I think I had the most current book.
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Did it subtract carbs from fiber?

Oops, of course I meant fiber from carbs. Duh.

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I have such a different experience when I do Atkins 72. Easy, no subtracting!

Im on day 4 and feel great!

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Bella, I have heard that from '72 followers, and I think it's nice that we have a couple of different options so we can decide which version to follow.

Glad to hear you're feeling great!
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I have such a different experience when I do Atkins 72. Easy, no subtracting!

Im on day 4 and feel great!

Bella
yep induction math is simple but 72 folk do miss out on many vits and minerals in the expanded list of veggies for 92 and 2002 inductions along with the increased serving sizes from less then 2 cups to 3 cups now. No wonder Dr Atkins supplemented the heck out of his patients eating induction in his practice

And OWL is a nightmare for those with poor food choice folk who miss desserts so they add their carbs back with them. It is no wonder Dr Atkins took total control of food choice additions in 2002 with the carb ladder to assist folk with in having the least possible cravings and weight loss issues in added back heathy lower glycemic whole foods to their induction eating.

That said I will admit eyeing bread and icecream as possible first additions before I read OWL 2002.
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I started on 7/27 and am currently enjoying a little more vegetable on Owl rung 1. Thought about going to Rung 2, but I really can't think of any dairy item that I'm missing.
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Cottage cheese? Yogurt?

I'm under the impression you can skip it if you don't want to eat anything on that rung. OWL isn't about forcing us to eat things we don't want to, after all.

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The only dairy food I'm really fond of is cheese. I certainly don't need more of that than 3-4 ounces a day. oh and ice cream. But now is not the time to add SF ice cream to the menu. Although it is nice to know I could have it for an occasional treat when I'm out.

Right now I'm happy not to count my vegetables as closely as on induction. Sometimes I like a larger salad than one cup.
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Sometimes I like a larger salad than one cup.

No doubt! My usual daily salad is based upon 4 ounces of Romaine by weight, 2-3 ounces tomato, .5 ounces green onion, and whatever protein and dressing I want to use--often, 2-3 ounces chicken, 1 ounce cheese and then 2 Tbsp dressing.

If you don't want to add more dairy, don't! Just skip on to the nuts and seeds rung when you're ready. Remember that peanuts are not a nut--they are a legume.
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welcome. did you know you could use the added cream from rung 2 to make your own sugar free icecream in a ziplock baggie and skip those sugar alcohols the store stuff has?
it is easy. you need a samdwich baggie and a quart or bigger one.

you fill your small one with the cream any fruit you want and your flavoring and sugar free sweetner of choice. then you seal the bag and invert to check for any leaks cause you don't want salt water ice cream.
then place the small baggie in the big one add ice. about a cup of water and salt ( the salt will lower the freezing temp a few degrees). Close it up and start shaking but not to vigorously or you get flavored butter. stop shaking when the mixture freezes and enjoy
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