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Old 04-29-2009, 04:01 PM   #571
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I'm still playing with my CCLL and haven't figured it out yet, but at least I'm willing to keep trying and have faith in the long run.
Mine seems to depend on the source of the carbs. I can eat a boatload of fruit, but an LC tortilla can stop me cold. I can lose drinking wine but hard liquor, not so much. It's been a fun and informative journey in many ways.
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pssssst Smilee you forgot the link to the challenge topic
Lol 2big...I didn't know how.

FYI, I posted it as a "goals" thread...whatever those goals may be.
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To go or not to go...

There is a big festa in a friends town this weekend. I know there will be lots of drinking and food etc. The food I'm not too worried about, I can bring my own and it'll just be a matter of everyone rolling their eyes at me. It's the drinking I'm more concerned about. I know I can control the amount and I can bring my own mixers and type of drink as well. I just feel like...am I going to set myself back if I enjoy this weekend out? If I'm not going to drink then it will be difficult to go (I know it's easy to say I can go and not drink and have fun but this isn't the case here, our culture in CV is just much different and it's far more of a hassle not to drink and it's really just not possible to go to a festa and not drink). I hate missing out on cultural activities like this (it's a saints day festival) but I don't want to screw up my diet. I don't know what to do. I had resolved just not to go and then I started thinking, How often do you get to live in AFRICA??? Am I really going to sit home and miss festivals until I hit goal weight? Arg.

I dont know if I even really need a response to this, I'm just venting and going over it all in my head.
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I think you should go. If it's not the food you're worried about, go and have a couple of drinks. Some people feel that any amount of alcohol will set them back; others don't find that to be the case. I personally think that for many people, a couple of drinks lower their inhibitions and leave them open to making bad food choices and that's the bigger concern. If you can handle it, then go and have a good time. How far along are you on OWL? Alcohol is permitted after berries, so I don't see the big deal.
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well you could be the designated driver to be sure all your intoxicated friends get home safely and not drink.

or you could fake it. hold a glass in your hand filled with water or whatever you drink and just carry it with you. then folk see it is full and won't offer you anything more and you can sip when you need to and your hand is occupied so you will not be thinking I need to get a drink.

If you do drink remember when you low carb the alcohol will effect you in smaller amounts so if you were a 2 drink intoxicated person you will now be a one drinker.
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2big this is usually what I do. We're not allowed to drive in Africa, Peace Corps policy, so that doesn't fly here, but I do try and bring my own drinks, alcoholic or non, and mix them up ahead of time so no one knows what I'm drinking. They don't have diet beverages here, so if I don't bring my own it's even worse - I'd rather have a shot of liquor than a coke! The issue becomes the grogue and ponche (the homemade hard alcohols in Cape Verde)...even if you have a drink in your hand, someone will most definitely pass you a cup at least 2 or 3 times I feel I've exhausted my excuses over the past month...I'm on "vacation" from drinking, I'm not feeling well, and last weekend it was Oh I had an allergic reaction to something and just took some benadryl so I can't drink. Ah the things we do!
I think what I might do is mix a really big water bottle with some SF juice and one shot of vodka, and sip on that, and if someone hands me grogue drink a bit of it and give the rest to hubby. This should limit my overall intake to 2 shots of hard liquor total. In theory!
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Oh, well if this is a peer-pressure thing, that's a different story. If you don't have any real desire to drink, then don't. Take the grogue and carry it behind something and pour it out! You should never allow yourself to be pressured into eating or drinking anything you don't want. You shouldn't have to stress yourself out over excuses; just accept the drink, say "thanks" and get rid of it.

It always makes me feel bad for people whose social situations involve a lot of persistent peer pressure. That sucks, and although we can say "just do this, or do that", I know it's harder to do when you're actually in the situation. But you don't owe anybody anything, and you don't need to drink if you'd rather not drink!
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I know, and in America the whole peer pressure thing would never even phase me, I just wouldn't drink, or heck I'd get new friends! Here in this culture in particular, the pressure is sooo crazy; not only the pressure of the "native" cape verdeans but also the culture of Peace Corps itself. I do want to enjoy myself and have some drinks but NOT at the expense of my weight loss That's more important to me, at least until I am closer to goal!

Thanks guys for the pep talk, I'm still on the fence (only because I've been to these things before and I KNOW how out of hand it can get) but at least I feel I've worked it out and have some strategies for coping more effectively in this environment! I appreciate the advice and sounding board!!!
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Well...if you've been to similar events, and you know what they're like, just make sure to allow yourself permission to not go if it feels like too much of a hassle as it pertains to your eating plan.

Initially I thought it sounded like this was something you really, really wanted to do, but as we've been discussing it, I'm not sure...sounds like it's stressing you out to think about it. My sister was in the Peace Corps for nearly three years, so I have a pretty good idea of the kind of situation you're talking about. She couldn't easily bow out of accepting food and drink that was offered her.

Just think it through, and whichever option seems the most peaceful in your mind, pick that one.
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lol it is totally stressing me out thinking about it, I do want to go but omg it's such a hassle.
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Monthly weigh in this morning, 2lbs down for April, which is nice. Slow but nice.
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JFM, once per month weighing works for you? I am trying that as part of my May goals...the once/ week thing just seems to set me off!

You are getting closer to your goal-- wow!
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Hey--I have been hankering for some new recipes, and I realized that there are lots of low carb cookbooks online! If you have a title in mind, you can put it into googlebooks. Even with the limited previews I found some cool recipes!

This is good! I've been a low carber for such a long time...it's so nice to still "discover" things that can help on this journey.
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Congratulations, junkfoodmonkey! I appreciate your attitude; slow but nice is good, and I'm right there with you.

Smilee, I picked up an Atkins cookbook recently at a library sale for about fifty cents or some ridiculous price. I haven't tried any of the recipes yet, but like you said, it's nice to have options. There are so many resources online.

Friday is my weigh-in day; I was absolutely sure I would see nothing this week (just like last week) and I got myself into the right frame of mind to accept that, as long as the scale didn't go up. But to my surprise I am down another 1.6 pounds. I'm thrilled! You know what this means? Look at my stats--I'm .2 pounds away from losing 50 total since my high weight in the fall of 2007! Fifty pounds! And that makes 26 pounds lost since January, when I re-started Atkins. I'm very pleased.
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JFM, once per month weighing works for you? I am trying that as part of my May goals...the once/ week thing just seems to set me off!

You are getting closer to your goal-- wow!
I still check it once a week too, to make sure untoward is going on! But I only really "count" the 1st of the month figure.
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Nice surprise, Peanutte! Mine was a surprise too, since I've been bouncing around 150 for a while. Let's hope we don't bouce back up!

50lbs down from highest is great!
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Today's planned food
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b: 3 eggs fried in butter. Strawberries. Fage. Coffee & cream.
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d: Veggie & cheese omelette (onion, leek, courgette)
maybe a snack of some fage.
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Thanks, jfm!

Omelettes for dinner are a nice option. My staple for going out to eat on the weekends is to order an omelette and get a salad instead of toast and hashbrowns. I've yet to find a place that wouldn't let me do this. Makes for a nice lunch.

The only thing I did differently this week from last week was cut the caffeine again. I had been drinking coffee that was about 75% decaf/25% regular, and I'm telling you, caffeine interferes with my weight loss. It may not for other people, but for the reasons 2big has previously described, it messes with my insulin reactions or something.
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Thanks, jfm!

Omelettes for dinner are a nice option.
I confess, it was meant to be the last of the ribs I made the other day, but they had so little meat on them I used them all up on Wednesday and thought omeltte or fritatta on Friday instead. Easy fallback!

I might make it more of a fritatta actually. Cheese browned and bubbling on the top. Droooolllll!
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congrats on those 50 pounds gone for good peanutte

I discovered if I put the cheese in the bottom of the pan and cook the omelette on top of it I got a nice brown crunchie crust and nothing sticks to the pan neither.


Smilee if you are new to low carb cooking I'd recoment Dana Carpender's 500 low carb recipes cause she has a whole section on all the things low carbers use to sub for carby things like thickeners, flours and stuff and she isn't a huge fan of mythical magical noncounting counted carbs neither
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she isn't a huge fan of mythical magical noncounting counted carbs neither
See, that right there is a selling point for me!
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oh she talks about them and she uses them in some recipes as sweetners but she doesn't go nuts with noncounting stuff like hydrogenated starches and glycerine.
And before she ever endorses a product she eats it and tests her own blood sugar levels before during after and an hour after to see if she gets a spike. I remember her report on her surprize blood sugar spike one hour after eating an atkins browne bar but not 15 min after when sugar usually spikes.
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Congrats on 50 pounds down, Peanutte!

2Big, I have almost all of her books! They are also online (partially) on Googlebooks.
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wow you got all her books.
Sorry ahead of time if this comes out wrong but if you got them all why do you need new recipes you could eat for 2 yrs from her stuff and still not repeat a day.

for recipes I watch what some lowcarbers call porn tv, food network, and low carb the dish Rachel Ray or Emirl is making
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lol 2big, I have a good friend who dishes it out just like you. No offense taken.

To be honest, I didn't find 500 More LC recipes to be very good at all. I like the Every calorie Counts book, but sometimes those are higher in carbs than I'd like. The 15 minute recipes are good. This is the one that has gotten the least use...not sure why exactly, except that there are lots and lots of chicken breast/ ground beef recipes which are great...but I think I got sick of them. I also tend to eat my veggies in their simplest forms (steamed or sauteed) and so I pretty much only use the recipes for meats.

I also like Linda Sue's recipes, but have to watch the cheese in them! They're good but definitely require a little more planning in terms of cheese and calories.

Below is a thread I posted elsewhere but would appreciate OWL-ies input.
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My story is this: I've been on Atkins on and off since 2004. I began at a healthy weight (135) and kept carbs very low for a long time. I didn't lose weight other than a few pounds-- I think my lowest was 133, though I dropped a dress size. Later, I got sloppy, started to gain, and decided to go through the rungs properly to lose it again. Here's the kicker-- each time I've hit 30 grams of carbs I've gained. It just seems hard for me to believe-- the first time I was 26 and exercising twice a day! I'm 30 now, but recently it has seemed as if the 30 grams is indeed the limit. I gained 3 pounds when I hit 30 grams a couple of weeks ago, and my inches hadn't changed either. This is one reason I decided to stabilize my carbs at 25-- in hopes that with time, I'd be able to move to 30 grams without seeing a gain. This is the trend from my last 2 trips up the ladder-- I lose approx a pound per week at 25 grams but gain 2-3 lbs at 30 grams.

Now I'm wondering if I should actually set my May "month-long trial" number to 30g-- maybe my gains have been bounce- ups that I should've waited out. I wonder if a month at 30g might actually reveal a higher tolerance than only a week or two have revealed, but I also really don't want to go backwards.

Could it be all of the fiber? I eat an insane amount of vegetables. Or maybe my CCLL is just 25?

(Notes: generally no frankenfoods, no more than 3 oz cheese, 1 oz nuts, no caffeine (daily). Maybe 3 diet sodas a month, and those are usually in a pinch. About 130 minutes of exercise a week, but I'm aiming for more for May. Basal BMR is 1400 and I usually eat between 1300-1600 cals though at times I am a little over or under. No meds except BC, but have been off [all last year] and on with no changes.)

What do you think?

Thanks in advance.

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before I answer I need more info first what are you adding as you carbs?
is it the same foods each time? have you considered you might have a food intolerance to that food if it is the same addition each time you gain. I know some folk have discovered they had wheat and others nuts intolerances they didn't know that had cause the imflamed immune system was the status quo for them.

next 120 min a week isn't very much that is just 30 min a day for 4 days Have you upped the intensity of those 30 min or are you doing the same workout at the same speed and intensity each time? if so then you are burning less cals each time cause your body is smaller and needs less energy to do the exact same things.

You do understand if that is your real BMR you should not be eating below it. We want to eat between our BMR and AMR to safely lose body fat.

your cals are low and your carbs are low have you tried to increase your cals at the lower carb level to see what happenes? low carb low cal can fry thyroids and if you were a bordeline hypo it can make you hypo Bhroda Barnes did the research back in the 30s and 40s on that but for some reason main stream med didn't pick up on anything he wrote about except low body temp means low thyroid.
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Hey, 2Big--gonna try to answer all of your questions.

I'm adding whole foods, and according to the blood sugar test in the 2002 book, don't have any sensitivities except MAYBE cottage cheese, but I'm not sure. No wheat. Nuts of all types have always been fine as long as I keep it to an ounce or an ounce and a half.

My 130 minutes is 40 minutes 3x per week; my challenge for this month is at least 160 minutes per week, or 40- 45 minutes 4x per week. My intensity changes...I prefer to lift weights mixed with cardio. I like the old FIRMs. They are the same exercises I do in the gym but at home. I have several sets of weights and generally lift to near- fatigue or at aerobic intensity with lighter weights. I mix up the workouts...though I admit that I HATE high- intensity cardio and pretty much avoid it.

My cals are ok (usually 1,600). Last time around I didn't worry about calories at all and they were up around 1800-2000! I'm satisfied-- sometimes downright stuffed when I eat all of the required veggies! You think my cals are low? At 1600?
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I think 1600 sounds fine, personally.
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Thanks, Peanutte. I've also read that my optimal zone is 1400-1700 cals.
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if your BMR is 1400 then that is the minimum number of cals it takes to keep you alive asleep in bed 24 hours aday. That was why I said if your BMR is really 1400 your cals are too low to keep your metabolism healthy when you are eating under that. If you used the Bennidict Harris formula then you could be too low or too high as it doesn't know if you are a marshmellow or rock hard and uses the average for all folk your age sex and size.

1600 would be fine but your post said you ate 1300-1600.

whole foods doesn't tell me much about what you added when you went up to 30 so again are you adding a new to you rung moving from 25-30 or did you just add foods any foods that had 5 grams of carbs per the 92 OWL rules?

Dr Atkins defined vigorous exercise as doing 45 min more then 5 times a week and folk who do vigorous exercise can eat more carbs them those whoi exercise less.
I know for myself when I was hitting the gym lifting BFL style 3x and doing HIIT treadmilling 3x for an hour each day I could eat over 115 net carbs ( total minus fiber no mythical magical noncounted counting carbs for me) but when I had my knee surgery and couldn't workout I was down to just 45 net carbs to keep from gaining.
average metabolic resistant folk can expect their CCLL to be between 15-40 grams. this was why dooing a clean 14 day induction was so important because based on that you could use your weight loss total pounds needed to lose and your 14 days lost pounds to check the charts in chapter 12 and see if you are high average or low met resistanant and know where your CCLL should fall. then if you were a low metabolic resistant and hit issues with 30 grams on the 3rd rung you could expect it was the nuts/seeds you were eating causing the issues and not your CLL being just 30.

the more you increase your exercise you will discover your daily carb count tolerance will increase too.
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