Allowed Vegi intake?

[Qween Bulldog]

Hi everyone,
I have a question. I posted on constipation and someone had responed to me that I need to eat 12-15 net carbs a day from vegi's and not count the cups.. I am very confused by this. I thought we were only allowed 3 cups of vegi's total? Please clear this up for me.. I would sure appreciate it. I love vegi's but I thought go over this limit would slow down my weight loss?

Thank you,
Sharon

[2big4mysize]

if you read the 2002 book you are supposed to have 3 cups total of those induction veggies and the majority of your daily intake of your limited carbs must come from them.

If you have some of the higher carb acceptable veggies from the list you can easily be above in that range of veggies that poster told you about. jicama and pumpkin are 2 for example. However if you pic leaf lettuce as your veggie for all 3 cups you will not. There are many micronutrients we need that will be found in eating a variety of those veggies.

After Dr Atkins died Atkins Nutritionals changes the 3 cups to 4 cups. but remeber a USDA serving for many of the veggies is 1/2 to 3/4 cups raw so even with our 3 cup limit we are easily meeting that 5 servings a day recommendation they make.
As we progress into OWL we will be adding back another 5 net grams of those veggies as our first addition of carbs. By the time we get to maintnenance we are eating 6-8 cups of fruits and veggies a day.

Happy low carbing.

[sjmiller]

Originally Posted by Qween Bulldog

Hi everyone,
I have a question. I posted on constipation and someone had responed to me that I need to eat 12-15 net carbs a day from vegi's and not count the cups.. I am very confused by this. I thought we were only allowed 3 cups of vegi's total? Please clear this up for me.. I would sure appreciate it. I love vegi's but I thought go over this limit would slow down my weight loss?

Thank you,
Sharon

The current thinking is "count the carbs, not the cups", and that you must get 12-15 net carbs from vegetables (Atkins.com).

The cups limit in DANDR is a hold over from the "old days".

It actually conflicts with a rule of Induction in DANDR where you're supposed to get "most " of your 20 net carbs from vegetables. "Most" would be 11 or more.

So... the "new" rule of Induction at Atkins.com (#2), just quantifies it to make it more in line with what's been observed... 3 cups isn't generally "most" of your 20 net carbs, and, as we know, undereating both in carbs and calories won't help you lose weight.

[PalmTreeGal]

It IS a bit unclear. I just try to eat as many (allowed) veggies as possible while staying under 20 carbs.

[sjmiller]

Originally Posted by PalmTreeGal

It IS a bit unclear. I just try to eat as many (allowed) veggies as possible while staying under 20 carbs.

How far under?

Induction is AT 20 net carbs... and one needs to add more vegetables in OWL.

[PalmTreeGal]

I think we've had this discussion - I don't read DANDR as saying EXACTLY 20 carbs. But yeah, I usually end up at 17-20 net with some dairy and other random carbs thrown in (salad dressing, etc). I'm waaaay off plan at the moment anyway so it's all theoretical until I get my butt in gear.

[Starista]

I usually just try to make sure I am having the right amount of carbs w/ my veggies and from no where else either when on Induction!

Good luck!

[LilPunkin]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

if you read the 2002 book you are supposed to have 3 cups total of those induction veggies and the majority of your daily intake of your limited carbs must come from them.

If you have some of the higher carb acceptable veggies from the list you can easily be above in that range of veggies that poster told you about. jicama and pumpkin are 2 for example. However if you pic leaf lettuce as your veggie for all 3 cups you will not. There are many micronutrients we need that will be found in eating a variety of those veggies.

After Dr Atkins died Atkins Nutritionals changes the 3 cups to 4 cups. but remeber a USDA serving for many of the veggies is 1/2 to 3/4 cups raw so even with our 3 cup limit we are easily meeting that 5 servings a day recommendation they make.
As we progress into OWL we will be adding back another 5 net grams of those veggies as our first addition of carbs. By the time we get to maintnenance we are eating 6-8 cups of fruits and veggies a day.

Happy low carbing.

Absolutely! I don't read/believe anything written after 2002. Atkins nutritionals changed the basic plan to make it more appealing to the masses with no regard for what Dr. Atkins initially taught.

[sjmiller]

Originally Posted by LilPunkin

Absolutely! I don't read/believe anything written after 2002. Atkins nutritionals changed the basic plan to make it more appealing to the masses with no regard for what Dr. Atkins initially taught.

Then how do you explain this from 2002 DANDR:

Rule #3 of Induction:

Eat no more than 20 grams a day of carbohydrates [and he's already made clear he means net carbs], MOST [emphasis mine] of which most of which must come in the form of salad greens and other vegetables.


From a math perspective... MOST would be a number greater than 11. Gee, 12 is such a number.

Just because something was clarified doesn't mean it was made "more appealing to the masses with no regard for what Dr. Atkins initially taught".

I certainly don't see the masses doing Atkins.

Hey, if 3 cups of vegetables is working for you, then go for it.

Funny though, when people are having trouble losing and I can convince them to actually eat 12-15 net carbs of vegetables... they generally start losing.

Go figure.

<smile>

[Iko]

It is possible to do 12-15 net carbs while eating 3 cups of veggies per day. You are just cutting the frills. Before I wasn't doing tomato on my salads because it was inconvenient, now I do. Instead of just making scrambled eggs with cheese in the morning, do a western omelet. Peppers and onions have a lot of carbs. You just have less room for the steak sauce and ketchup. Heck, you might even be able to count you tablespoon of low carb ketchup, I don't. Anyhow, I am living proof that you can do the 12-15 in 3 cups per day. It just takes some planning and counting. I use fit day and a spreadsheet I made.

[sjmiller]

I never said it wasn't possible to do 12-15 net carbs in 3 cups. The point is that what should take priority is the 12-15 net carbs, regardless of the amount of cups it takes to get there.

[bygrace]

Okay...."dumb question"... How are you measuring your carbs in the salad greens???

[sjmiller]

Originally Posted by bygrace

Okay...."dumb question"... How are you measuring your carbs in the salad greens???

Not a dumb question at all.

Don't know who you're addressing it to, but...

The time I measured how much salad greens, I just took what was in the bowl and then put it in a 4 cup measuring cup and it fit. I figured that was about what we ate when we had a bed of lettuce for our salad.

The vegetables that go on top of the lettuce... they get counted for what they are.

Lettuce is fairly negligible when it comes to carbs... 4 cups of romaine is 1.6 net carbs.

[YakimaPeg]

Okay this is for SJ Miller.... I'm brand new here and pretty new to lo-carb eating. What is "net-carb"? The last time I tried a lo-carb diet a carb was a carb...

I actually just signed up for the free week of Weight Watchers on their sight and immediately started trying to resign myself to starving for the rest of my life

Then in a moment of panic I started looking into lo-carb diets...I'm just disgusted with myself, dieting and all the gimmicks and yes, being hungry!!

If I could eat a decent amount of veggies and salad this sounds like the way to go. Boy, it would be wonderful to get up in the morning and look forward to eating something satisfying and yummy without worrying how to take all the fat and taste out of it!

Any advice is welcome here...I'm really at the end of my rope. The harder I try to restrict my eating and lose weight the heavier I'm getting. I've been on a "diet" my entire adult life and now a weigh a whopping 207.6. I almost cried this morning when I got on the scale to get my starting weight for WW!!

Please help!!

Peggy

[sjmiller]

Originally Posted by YakimaPeg

Okay this is for SJ Miller.... I'm brand new here and pretty new to lo-carb eating. What is "net-carb"? The last time I tried a lo-carb diet a carb was a carb...

I actually just signed up for the free week of Weight Watchers on their sight and immediately started trying to resign myself to starving for the rest of my life

Then in a moment of panic I started looking into lo-carb diets...I'm just disgusted with myself, dieting and all the gimmicks and yes, being hungry!!

If I could eat a decent amount of veggies and salad this sounds like the way to go. Boy, it would be wonderful to get up in the morning and look forward to eating something satisfying and yummy without worrying how to take all the fat and taste out of it!

Any advice is welcome here...I'm really at the end of my rope. The harder I try to restrict my eating and lose weight the heavier I'm getting. I've been on a "diet" my entire adult life and now a weigh a whopping 207.6. I almost cried this morning when I got on the scale to get my starting weight for WW!!

Please help!!

Peggy

Net carb is counting the "carbs that count". In short, total carbs minus fiber.

Please don't just jump into low carbing without knowing what you're doing. If you want some basic information on Atkins, start here:

http://www.atkins.com/articles/nutritional-approach

http://www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-one

http://www.atkins.com/articles/atkin...eptable-foods/

http://www.atkins.com/articles/atkin...-of-induction/

Before you decide on "doing Atkins"... read about maintenance... understand the plan as a whole... and then ask yourself if you can eat like that for the rest of your life?

You won't be hungry on Atkins, I can assure you.

[YakimaPeg]

Thanks for the info. I done Atkins a few times in the past and have a good idea about what it entails...just seemed like some of the rules had changed since his death.

Is there a new book that's been released since his death? I was looking online at his books and other lo-carb manuals but there's just so many. I would like to have the latest on his approach though.

Have you been on maintenance for a long period of time? I've never talked with anyone who has kept with the program once they lost some initial weight and am curious as to how it fits in long term with everyday life.

Thanks again for the links!

Peggy

[sjmiller]

Originally Posted by YakimaPeg

Thanks for the info. I done Atkins a few times in the past and have a good idea about what it entails...just seemed like some of the rules had changed since his death.

Is there a new book that's been released since his death? I was looking online at his books and other lo-carb manuals but there's just so many. I would like to have the latest on his approach though.

Have you been on maintenance for a long period of time? I've never talked with anyone who has kept with the program once they lost some initial weight and am curious as to how it fits in long term with everyday life.

Thanks again for the links!

Peggy

No, 2002 DANDR is the last one.

The information on the website has just been clarified... nothing substantial has changed.

I've been on maintenance since 9/2005. This is simply how I eat...

That's why Atkins is "for life"!

[Low Carb Mommy]

Try to make it as simple as you can. When I started what I would do is have a salad and protein for lunch and then have another veggie for dinner. After you get through the initial phase then you can add just a little more or add higher carb veggies. Do you have a carb counter? This helps with the counts and measurements.