WHY does nutts stall?

[Da Rosa]

If its not for the salt, calorie or carb issue? Lets say my calories, carbs (with lots of veggies), protein and fat% is right... then why would the raw nutts, say almonds, stall if one was eating more that allowed?

[MAMZELLE]

Until the nutritionist arrives, Da Rosa....It depends if you're talking about Induction or OWL [ongoing weight loss]. They're not allowed at all on induction. But my overall conclusion and assumptiion about them for ANY time, is that they don't go very far, and are not economically carb-wise. You can use up your daily intake of carbs very easily on
just nuts, or a good percentage of it and not even approach your actual daily NUTRITION yet, which of course adds much MORE carbs, so then where do you go from there, starve for the rest of the day on a 20 gram induction allowance? At best you've already eaten at LEAST one quarter of your daily 20 carbs in only one ounce of the [most
popular/conventional] LOWEST carb nuts [macadamias and walnuts], and even THAT is if you don't get carried away and don't stop with them which is very hard to do with nuts.

Take olives..... they're only 1 carb per 5 olives on average, that's what I just read off one label in my house just now of very large green ones [think I've also seen 1 carb per 10-12, everything varies, also according to size]. Much better mileage in the 'nosh' department, they go the distance..... so do Pork RInds with cream cheese [though be careful of the CC too] which plain rinds [NOT FLAVORED] are only 1 carb per ten, though true.... neither are as much fun as nuts. :-( I'll leave the more nutritional end of it to the experts. Also olive have good fats...... so do nuts, [of which Walnuts are the most fatty] but they also have the carbs.

Basically, they're kind of dangerous to even have around, resistance-wise and one of those "betcha can't eat just one" type challanges, and who needs more challanges. No one said life was easy!

[Da Rosa]

and acording to Fitday an ounce of almonds are...
Amount Per 22 almond
Calories 152.59
Calories from Fat 120.32

Total Fat 13.37g 21%
Saturated Fat 1.02g 5%
Polyunsaturated Fat 3.22g
Monounsaturated Fat 8.49g
Sodium 0.264mg 0%
Potassium 192.19mg 5%
Total Carbohydrate 5.21g 2%
Dietary Fiber 3.12g 12%
Protein 5.61g 11%

meaning that the Net Carbs are 2.7, not even . I se that you go by the "original" Atkins instructions, so you count the total carb value.

For these two weeks I have put myself on bootcamp, so I eat much less calories and I work out every day, every other day I spend hours at the gym and its finnaly payng of. Im hypothyroid and have PCOS ans Im not getting any treatment yet, so it is very hard for me to lose weigt on the diet only.. Ill acctually gain... and I tend to binge if my carbs are too low. So, I have desided to eat about 1200-1400 calories, 30-60 Net Carbs and the fat pretty low... at about 50-65 %.

Ok, so I love my nutts, the are good for you, great to bring with you in the bag or something, very now in carbs and GI, raw and they'r a great sourse of fiber. Sorry, but Im still not convinsed that the nutts stall b/c of the carbs. Is it something with the strucrue of the nut, or does the fact that it has alot of fiber do that the nutrients or something doesnt absorbe as well?? Do they contain somethig that slows the weightloss process down? I dont know..

Again, what else could it be. Some people say that it knockes them out of ketosis right away. Why is that? I have tested myself twise and I wasnt in ketosis either times and I was behaving like never before them days.

Well, these last days I hava lost weight (1.5 kilos to be exact), but I know that its because of the intense workouts and the calories restriction, and Im sure its mostly the water weight Iv put on lately. I guess Ill have to do this until I get my treatments and then se if the nutts really stall me.

I am limiting them more and more... but I need a real good explenation or reason to do so. Its not that Im hungry or that Im out of energy, I just need to chew on something. What has helped me lately is the sf gum and I dont count them, I just dont wanna obsess and get depress for every little thing like I used to. The longer I have been on Atkins the more obsessive I had become... it was really staring to look like an eating/obsession disorter. Ok, Im getting of topic...


Thanks for trying though, Mamazelle!l

[LindaSue]

I've been eating nuts nearly every day for the past couple years or so with no problems. I'm now maintaining, but also ate them during my weight loss. Like MAMZELLE said, it's all about being able to control how many you eat. It's too easy to over eat them and that's probably what causes some to stall. I see no reason not to eat them if you portion them out and stick to an appropriate serving. I have yogurt every day with some of my Coconutty Crunch on it. I am careful to only add one spoonful each time.

Unless the Atkins Nutritionist has something different to say, I don't think that there's anything about nuts that causes stalls. I think it's more to do with how many are eaten. Like you said, they are very nutritious and satisfying, even in small portions.

Actually, if you count net carbs, pecans work out to be the lowest in carbs, followed by macadamias, then walnuts and hazelnuts (about the same net carbs), then almonds and lastly cashews, which are way off the carb chart and should be avoided at all costs due to their addictive nature, LOL.

[MAMZELLE]

I absolutely agree with both of you, and Linda that it's the amounts. I think they're one of the healthiest things there are and I never ever felt guilty eating them, and even had a few every day for a while on induction because i had them in control but then something happens and i eat more than i should and when I feel that coming on, I put them far away. I try not to eat even 10 and didn't for a long time, much less then a little more lol I always just reached over and ate ONE and could do it but sometimes that changes. Right now as I read your post, Linda, I was nibbling pecans LOL Never bought them before but now I did because was sick of walnuts [macadamias i NEVER get sick of but the walnuts get a little bland after weeks, and cashews are my ruination and always were my favorite, but what I do is mix them in or have them handy and while i'm eating a couple of the others, I take one cashew and savor it with little bites!] I knew pecans were in there with walnuts & macies as also a low carber, but not exactly where, and my arms reach atkins counter [this particular one] leaves something to be desired and is missing many things including pecans AND OLIVES! and too lazy to look in all the other books or to bring it up online.

Da Rosa....as I've also said above, I think the nutritionist would be better equiped than I to discuss all the tech's you've written and hopefully they will be around soon. .

If you need your nuts, monitor and EAT THEM if that's your personal survival and just be cautions and watch the results and adjust to it. Anything that KEEPS us on this is allowed a consideration and anything is possible I feel..... it can be worked in. The most important thing is that you're happy and comfortable with any regimen you do and if a
few nuts is yours [mine too] then do it the way you can. You sound extremely intelligent about all this and you'll be fine. You're like me..... I always have to know exactly WHY i'm doing something or sacrificing something so I admire that trait in others too..... and especially since I'm even more obsessive than most lol Like I Quote Socrates to back
me up..... "an unexamined life is not worth living"... Always ask ''why''.... Question everything and understand yourself and everything out there and defy it if you must and if those are your beliefs, but most of all, your INSTINCTS because that's your ticket for anywhere you want to go!!

Now, since you're from Sweden, I want to ask you if you've ever heard of the Banta / Banting diet because that's where it's said to have originated, and I'm wondering why it's not that well known since the 1800's.

[Lisa Rae]

Ok..well here's my 2 cents

Nuts don't stall everyone (please rememeber however..peanuts are not really nuts..but legumes..)

Some people do fine with them..some don't. Here's a few things to concider:

1. Did you add in nuts by the carb ladder. Meaning..have you upped your carbs and are working to find your ccl...but have aded the stuff before and are still losing?
2. can you eat one portion and not think about them all day?
3. are you losing?


If the answers are yes, yes and yes..then go for it.

Here's what I see for many people. They have trouble with portion control on nuts. Their using them for cravings vs. a quick snack. And some people eat nuts..and are still hungry..thus are still eating more food ontop of the high dense calories found in nuts.

Yes, some people are just plain sensitive to nuts (as some are too dairy..and I am to soy) but mostly I think they stall because people are not useing them in plae of a snack.but are having them on top of a snack..and thus..those calories can add up fast

[Atkins_Nutritionist]

What great advice and comments everyone has shared!

Da Rosa, first I want to say that it worries me when you say that you feel that your meal planning has become an eating/obsession disorder for you. The Atkins Nutritional Approach teaches you how to make smarter choices about your meal planning so that you are able to lose and then maintain your weight. Everyone's meal planning is different because everyone's body is different. Even if two people are at the same weight, are the same height, and have the same goal weight, their meal planning and experience through the phases will be completely different because they are so different (in their bodies, in their taste preferences, in their schedules, etc).

If for example, you are in OWL and are losing at 25 g net carbs and the next week, you add nuts and at 30 g net carbs, your weight does not change, this is not a stall. A stall is defined as no weight loss for 4 weeks. The nuts may not necessarily have caused the weight not to change. In fact, it would be unlikely that the nuts in itself are the culprit as so many things are going on in the body, and you are eating many other foods besides nuts.

You also mention sugar-free gum. Have you considered that this could also effect your weight loss? Maybe it would be helpful for you to post a menu so we can all give you suggestions. Nuts are a great snack and if you would like to include them in your meal planning, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to. It may just take some adjusting.

[Da Rosa]

A month a go I had just had it... the worreing about everything was making me nutts and that just made eat more. For two weeks I just couldnt get my calories below 2200 and I was gaining like never befor. I wouldnt even lose weight on a fast before, not induction, not even a low cal + LC plan.
So, I quit, stated a semi low carb plan with low GI foods. This the calories back to normal (about 1800-2000), but I was still gaining. I continued this for two more weeks so that the doctors wouldnt blame my LCdiet, like one did. I have bin stalling, losing a little and then just gaining the same weight and then some for more than 6 months.

I have been back LCing for two weeks now, but it hasnt been looking good at all lately. Its all within the calorie and % ratios that I have planed but I know Im not eating enough veggies and and yes.. way to many carby nutts. This time around the obsessing, crying and worreing is all gone and Im just calm now. Now that I have found my way... at least for now. When I get my meds I could start to change things around a little, maby eat more and still lose weight.

Acctually, I think that the gum has helped me. They dont give me cravings, I only get a couple a day and its just a carb per gum. Hmm.. now that Im losing weight (thanks to th low cal), hows many ounces of nutts could I eat? Im thinking 3 or something... that would only be about 8 Net carbs after all.

Mamazelle- Yes, but I just resenly heard of it. Banta just means to diet in swedish and the whole thingis kinda confusing.

Thanks alot yall!

[MAMZELLE]

Banta means "TO DIET"? Wow that's strange. When I asked on these boards where the name Banta came from, I was told that it was the man's NAME, which originated from "Banting'' and was changed down the road. I think also in the articles from some links it also called him Banta or Banting, also giving his first name, but I forgot his first name.... This is all very curious lol, but I have to assume you know your own language! How strange. [I didn't get notification of a new post here, I was just looking for something and happened to drop by. Wonder why the notification didn't come into my mailbox, they still are from all the other threads]. So are many people over there doing the Banta diet, if you know? What do you mean 'confusing'? The diet or the name? LOL... I'm still confused about BOTH! Glad to hear things are going better for you!

The carb count depends on the type of nuts. Walnuts and macadamias are the lowest [around 4 and change so I count 5...linda says hazelnuts too, but I hate those, so I never even bothered to look but I think, as she says, they're the same, and there are a couple of others.... but try to stay away from cashews, they're DOUBLE]. I always calculate about 5 [to 7] per ounce in my head, just to stay on the safe side but I try not to eat a whole ounce and just a few... that doesn't always work but most of the time it does. For a while, I was chewing them one by one for a very long time, then spitting them out lol.... sorry, gross I know. Better in the garbage then down my throat... and the real enjoyment is only in the chewing, when it comes to something like that, which we don't really NEED for nutrition. But not advocating nor suggesting that for food! There's a great online carb counter but I don't know the link offhand, it's in my 'favorites'.... maybe someone knows it, I don't know if this site has one, I've never seen it... would like to know myself, if it does?

[Da Rosa]

The diet confuses me and the name really just means "to diet", that what their website tells too. Here the link to a thread where they talk about it:
http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=217773

Acctually, I dont know anyone whom is doing this diet or I could just as well say that anyone who diet is doing it... hence the name Banta (Banting is just the swedish name turned to your language) and because they provide all kinds of program and diets, from lowfat to lowcarb.

All my nutts are finito... now its alot of chees insted!

I check my foods out at Fitday.com