Could I be putting the pound on DBF??

[tyler43836]

DBF pats his belly and proclaims, "I need to lay off the beer".
Got me wondering....could my feeding him LC-higher fat cooking, which he loves (Thanks LindaSue, Cheri and the rest of this board!) combined with his normal high carb (bread, pasta etc) WOE be putting on the pounds?

[melantine]

Tyler, I had this same concern about my family and I asked the Atkins Nutritionalist. She said it was ok to feed my family low carb ..but I wonder since they continue to eat high carb at school and work Hope someone here has a good answer.

[JONAH'S GRANNY]

I have heard the mixture of high fat and high carbs is definately a sentence of doom. Actually, that is the reason many people gain so much weight so quickly when they go off lowcarb. If one is used to eating all the higher fat foods allowed on lowcarb and all of a sudden they are adding high carbs to it, then what else could one do but gain weight. Makes sense to me that it might be a factor in his weight gain (IMHO)!

[Kellees24]

I do notice that when I intend to be good and cheat (yes, a vicious cycle for me) that I gain the weight back quicker. This leads me to believe that, yes, high carb, high fat foods do cause you to gain weight. I'll start the day well and cheat at lunch or dinner with something yummy like french fries. This used to happen to me quite frequently until I really buckled down. I am 6 days cheat free (woo-hoo).

[Atkins_Nutritionist]

Let me clarify, you are right in thinking that high carbs and high fat is unhealthy. Your hubby should not be eating high carb and high fat, it is one or the other.

It is important to focus on a balance of healthy fats and healthy carbs. If someone is eating breads, pasta... they should avoid large quantities of higher fat foods.

As far as children go, you do not want to be too restrictive because it has been shown that restricting food can cause children to overeat/binge.

So, if you know a child is eating a burger and french fries at school, explain that if they eat the fries maybe it would bet better to eat a salad with it instead of the bun. Then, balance this eating with healthy veggies and protein at home. Your child will mimic your eating habits and develop a taste for healthy foods.

[Matt]

actually i would think thats a bad idea.. the majority of these low-carb recipes are super high fat, and if hes eating carbs too i would think he might be on his way to heart disease.. might wanna keep all the good low carb food to yourself

[MAMZELLE]

MUCH more than the issue of 'weight', I was always concerned about eating the FATS when eating carbs. I was always under the impression that as long as the carbs/sugars were almost totally eliminated, the fats became harmless but as soon as adding carbs with it, it becomes a lethal combination.

My TLD/DF [lol Temporarily Long Distance/Dear Fiancee] is kinda partially [95%] doing Atkins as much as he conveniently can, because of being pre-diabetic and he's always asking me about certain foods here and there that he's not sure about, still being a novice [and is getting an atkins education from me, also from sending me lots of things that can travel, helping me with shopping, which is good practice for him and gets him even more accustomed to what to eat himself too] and it's difficult sometimes because I have to take into consideration that he does have some carbs [I had previously finally gotten him to quickly microwave a little whole oats in the morning before leaving the house for cholesterol, because he used to eat nothing and can't fuss, and was never hungry enough for breakfast, which I always used to do when NOT having been on the diet strictly and that was one of the very FEW real carb grain things I allowed myself because I really feel whole oats are healthy and do have their porpose as bran does, of course eliminated totally when on the diet], and now that he's 'sorta' eating low carbs, I don't know what to tell him about fats. Of course with carbs he can't have them but he's not eating THAT many carbs, and have since told him to eliminate the oats, but still in my mind, is that if he's not strictly on it, and not eating lots of fats, he should have the benefits of the oats for lowering cholesterol, since it's the only quick thing I can get him to eat in the morning since I'm not there...otherwise he leaves the house with just coffee! No good.

It's perplexing, because to me it's all or nothing... but I guess when doing it partially, the fats on Atkins have to be left out/lowered, but it's either one or the other [very low fats when having some carbs, but then what's the sense.... it's not Atkins]

What stumps me sometimes is that the fats are unhealthy for HIM to eat if he's not really on LOWEST carbs [he doesn't eat breads sugars, etc., and I got him strictly on ONLY Dreamfields pasta etc.], but he is getting more carbs in there than is customarily atkins so he's betwixed and between. He's very intelligent about this and does basically know what to stay away from, but not having to really lose 'weight' it's more of a blood sugar health issue but he does sometimes have something here and there that he shouldn't [a very RARE donut, etc.] so that's why I worry about the fats on a day like that. He doesn't eat bacon and the reall fatty foods and eats all low carb meals.... packaged UGH! but he's not a cook so I have to allow for that lol but have mostly gotten him off that too and onto cooking at the stove, and when together i'll have him totally off carbs and onto strict atkins.

I guess the question is, that if he's MODERATELY on Atkins, should he get low fat cheese, because he eats a LOT of it and can the fats in that [and some other things] be dangerous if not cutting out ALL carbs.... or are the low fat products [even cheese alone] really that bad for him. I personally don't touch them, but I'm STRICTLY on Atkins, but what about someone who isn't.... and only on it, lets say, 80-90%?

My instinct is to tell him on occasion to get some things in low fat but that's totally against MY grain and principles, but he SHOULDN'T be having the fats like I am, [being on it much more strictly], so I wonder what the answer is. He loves cheese, so should HE eat the low fat cheese? I cringe because cheese has lots of fat but can't bring myself to tell him to get the low fat cheese or should I? We discuss this all the time, and sometimes I'm totally lost as to what to advise him because I personally am either on atkins or off, there isn't any middle ground for me anymore, now with high blood sugar being my dictator.... when off the diet in the past, I merely stayed away from fats but did NOT get
FAT FREE products, I just cut way down on fats and didn't eat them liberally [NO bacon at all, etc.].

So that's what I've been basically telling him when only lowering carbs 'somewhat' and still keeping healthy about the fats. What has always been in my head from years ago is that when cutting out sugar and carbs, the fats aren't absorbed and cholesterol isn't raised from them but the sugar and carbs do make fats dangerous.

[Note: I've also always heard that no more than the cholesterol from 2 eggs per day can be absorbed.... so if you're eating 2, then you might as well eat ten if you like, because you're not absorbing any more than what's in the 2.... just an interesting note to throw out there that I've heard through the years from different sources, maybe even Atkins himself as one of them, but I remember it as a general piece of information and not having to do with low carbing.... heard it years before LC was even popular, nor was Atkins].

[tyler43836]

Thanks for the info. (And thanks for moving this thread, Cheri)

I only cook for him 2 or 3 times a week. From now on I'll choose leaner options. No more chilidog casserole for him!

...and I'm just going to let him think the beer put on the extra pounds or I'll never hear the end of it

[Atkins_Nutritionist]

[Atkins_Nutritionist]

By the way, is it too much to think that he would be interested in joining you and your new WOE?

[tyler43836]

He's Italian...he's one of those who say they can't POSSIBLY give up bread and pasta. He's also not overweight. Just recently developed the little tummy bulge (oops...yeah, it was the beer).
I have to say though, he is very supportive of my WOE. He makes sure when we go out to eat that we go someplace with plenty of LC options...and he NEVER tempts me with goodies!

[MAMZELLE]

Make SURE you only give him Dreamfields pasta... he won't know the difference and you can tell him AFTERWARDS if you like. If he cooks the pasta himself, at first exchange it and sneak it into an empty box of regular pasta when he's not home..... Then break it to him down the road after he's eaten it at least once or a few times..... it also looks the same as real pasta because it IS real pasta, but only 5 grams per 2 oz!! And it works, I ate it EVERY DAY and my sugar didn't go up and I stayed in ketosis ........and also LOST 5 lbs. My fiancee eats it all the time too and loves it, there's NO difference. But you know how men are..... DON'T tell him at first or he'll start thinking negatively right away. The power of 'suggestion' is very strong...... and he'll be pre-disposed to finding something wrong with it, and some strange type men...... are not even able to admit it if they DO like something 'healthier' for them. lol

[MAMZELLE]

The Ragu ''carb options'' hearty italian w/sausage worked for me with it, not raising sugar NOR taking me out of keytosis either [which is AMAZING beause even SALAD seems to], so I trust the carb options line. Also, their Alfredo and Double Chedder has even LOWER counts but the Garden Tomatoe is higher [I happen to need my red meat sauce or I'm not happy, but have all the flavors here anyway, for variety and am VERY fussy so If "I" like the sausage sauce, anyone will, because I always use to make my own from scratch, but not worth it anymore because I can only eat very small amounts now, and I haven't often but am going to start again as soon as i get another 5 or 10 lbs off for my high sugar situation. Although the pasta and sauce didn't effect it and seemed to induce me to finally LOSE my first 5 lbs, I'm still pshchologically gun shy only because of my situation and HAVING to be very strict, but if I were only on a mere diet, I would still be eating it every day because it didn't affect it.... and I ate MORE than 2 oz.... probably almost double. Never measured but allowed for it daily carb-wise during that week or two. I was so starved for pasta by that time lol

And the red sauce is VERY good! The alfredo needs LOTS of flavorings and seasonings according to my particular taste, but a nice change inbetween [and alfredo is usually bland anyway, even in the finest restaurants]. They probably have it all here on this site.... I KNOW they have the Dreamfields. {Named after 'field of dreams'. And it sure IS!!!!! They're also coming out with the version of potatoes and also rice, which I personally can live without...... but not my PASTA!!!! lol

Oh, and you mentioned your low carb options places.... the BEST LC option places are plain, ordinary SEA FOOD places, which is all I try to go to when dining out..... it's what I don't cook at home [shellfish, etc.] And that's the best thing to take advantage of having when out. It's automatically LC, with only ooodles of butter and TONS of garlic and other seasonings, it was made for low carbers.

And he can have his pasta there on those nights, because he doesn't have to lose weight, you say, so if not for MEDICAL reasons he can have the regular pasta once in a while, won't kill him, but on a REGULAR basis, at 'home' Dreamfields is healthier for EVERYONE...... sheeeesh, only 5 carbs per 2 oz. instead of over 20 or more! Big difference. If he loves his italian restaurants, [MY favorites :-( .....then you can still have sea food in those too.

Personally, if dying for pasta on a night I dine out I would bring my box of dreamfields WITH me, and give it to the manager, Maitre 'D, etc., and just simply TELL then that I am a diabetic and really dying for their great pasta preparation but must have my own cooked instead. What's the big deal for them to empty it out of MY box into
the pot instead of their box lol.

.... if theirs is freshly home made, so what, not such a big sacrifice, this is how we have to live now, most for only a little while....but diabetics, forever so it's worth the little extra care. We have to be assertive and get what we want in life and have things OUR way, and I'm not the type of person who is shy nor gets embarrassed by ANYTHING and restaurants are very understanding and accommodating.

But i really don't bother with pasta 'out' because I can eat the Dreamfields at home any time I want.... and then I'd be worried about their sauce and only be able to eat clam sauce with no sugar, etc., which isn't my favorite, so it's too much bother. But it IS an alternative bringing your own. Restaurants are probably getting lots of this now and will continue much more in the future with LC-ing on the rise.