Classical conditioning mechanism

Kris B · 08-23-2004, 05:40 PM

Is it true that our bodies can or do release insulin at the taste of something sweet even if it's not sugar? I've been hearing that artificial sweeteners can release insulin too , so should we cut them out as well? I was thinking that if I wanted to ocassionally use a liquid sweetener (liquid is to avoid dextrose or maltodextrin or whatever it's called) that would be ok. But if it's going to produce a release of extra insulin then maybe I better wait until I'm further along on my plan.
Thank you,
Kris B.

Catheryn · 08-24-2004, 07:46 AM

really good question. Anxiously awaiting the answer.

Atkins_Nutritionist · 08-24-2004, 08:45 AM

There has been studies that suggest this. However, you must use common sense.

If you feel that it is to your benefit to completely avoid these sweetners then you should.

For practical purposes, this study provides you with onformation that you can use to your advantage.

For example, you may decide to limit your intake or you may have noticed that your current intake of these products has not effected your appetite, weight or energy levels and prefer to continue with your WOE.

Josh-jr · 08-24-2004, 11:44 AM

This is an amazing question. It kinda looks we are all little Pavlov's dogs. I plan to do some research on this..

Catheryn · 08-24-2004, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by Josh-jr
This is an amazing question. It kinda looks we are all little Pavlov's dogs. I plan to do some research on this..

Thank you. Please post your findings.

lkmjbc3 · 08-24-2004, 02:54 PM

We have had several discussions on this point.

A conditioned response may be the answer as to why aspertame seems to stall some people and not others. I believe that the answer may be here.......

Certainly believeable.... now only if we could get some real evidence.....

lkmjbc3

Naturegirl · 08-25-2004, 05:12 PM

I read a study a while back,done on college students I think it was, that showed insulin release at the very thought of their favorite food when they were in a fasted state (hadnt eaten for several hours)
I'm having have a heck of a time finding it on google.

Oh man. Now I cant even think about eating that pizza,lol.

pbptm · 08-26-2004, 03:58 AM

I have worked out for myself by this I mean my own responses that I cannot eat sugar alcohols at all they totally disagree with me . But SF syrups in cheesecake or icecream are not a problem.
I followed the books guidance on try something and watch for my body's reactions this allows me to eat with pleasure the sorts of foods I enjoy. I lose weight steadily this way and it's a woe I can continue indefinitely

I'm not one to deprive myself I've done that in the past and been miserable and yoyo'd on low cal /low fat

Diana · 08-26-2004, 05:25 AM

I can tell you from experience this is true with me. This is one reason I have given up on Powdered Splenda, and slowly weening myself off of any other. I seem to want sweets after using them. The only thing that doesn't cause my cravings is Atkins Sugar Free Syrups or other SF syrups, including Steva,as long as they are in Liquid form.

Kris B · 08-26-2004, 08:26 AM

DianaO,
That's what I was thinking (about the sweeteners being liquid). I wonder if it's not the sweeteners themselves but the dextrose and other fillers they use with the powdered ones. I know everyone is different so I think I'll test this on myself and see what happens. Thanks everyone for the responses. If anyone comes up with sience about this subject, I sure would appreciate seeing it.
Thanks,
Kris B.

Diana · 08-26-2004, 11:22 AM

yep, its the fillers. most definately!

Artemis · 08-26-2004, 11:46 AM

So what liquid sweeteners are people using? And what are their carb counts?

Diana · 08-26-2004, 01:39 PM

I use Atkins Sugar free Hazelnut, it's my favorite, liquid splenda I hear is nice. I have liquid Steva but it is Bitter no matter how small the amount.

inatic · 08-26-2004, 02:00 PM

I use liquid stevia. I dont find it bitter but did a bit when I first started using it, as I think i was using too much and didnt realize how potent this stuff is. AND I may have just gotten used to it too.

I try to use stevia as often as possible.

08-23-2004, 05:40 PM	#1
Kris B Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Milwaukie, Oregon USA Posts: 156 Gallery: Kris B WOE: Atkins Start Date: April 19, 2001	Classical conditioning mechanism Is it true that our bodies can or do release insulin at the taste of something sweet even if it's not sugar? I've been hearing that artificial sweeteners can release insulin too , so should we cut them out as well? I was thinking that if I wanted to ocassionally use a liquid sweetener (liquid is to avoid dextrose or maltodextrin or whatever it's called) that would be ok. But if it's going to produce a release of extra insulin then maybe I better wait until I'm further along on my plan. Thank you, Kris B.

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08-24-2004, 07:46 AM	#2
Catheryn Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: suburbs of Detroit Posts: 472 Gallery: Catheryn Stats: 172/142/140 WOE: original Atkins of '72 Start Date: 2001	really good question. Anxiously awaiting the answer.

08-24-2004, 08:45 AM	#3
Atkins_Nutritionist Nutritionist Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Atkins Health and Medical Information Services Posts: 684 Gallery: Atkins_Nutritionist	There has been studies that suggest this. However, you must use common sense. If you feel that it is to your benefit to completely avoid these sweetners then you should. For practical purposes, this study provides you with onformation that you can use to your advantage. For example, you may decide to limit your intake or you may have noticed that your current intake of these products has not effected your appetite, weight or energy levels and prefer to continue with your WOE.

08-24-2004, 11:44 AM	#4
Josh-jr Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 62 Gallery: Josh-jr	This is an amazing question. It kinda looks we are all little Pavlov's dogs. I plan to do some research on this..

08-24-2004, 02:54 PM	#6
lkmjbc3 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 368 Gallery: lkmjbc3	We have had several discussions on this point. A conditioned response may be the answer as to why aspertame seems to stall some people and not others. I believe that the answer may be here....... Certainly believeable.... now only if we could get some real evidence..... lkmjbc3

08-25-2004, 05:12 PM	#7
Naturegirl Guest Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 665 Gallery: Naturegirl Stats: 22 yrs 5':20 BF? 100.5/99/90? 14%bf WOE: Targeted Ketogenic Low Cal Diet	I read a study a while back,done on college students I think it was, that showed insulin release at the very thought of their favorite food when they were in a fasted state (hadnt eaten for several hours) I'm having have a heck of a time finding it on google. Oh man. Now I cant even think about eating that pizza,lol.

08-26-2004, 03:58 AM	#8
pbptm MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: U.K Posts: 1,331 Gallery: pbptm Stats: maintaining WOE: high fat Start Date: 2003	I have worked out for myself by this I mean my own responses that I cannot eat sugar alcohols at all they totally disagree with me . But SF syrups in cheesecake or icecream are not a problem. I followed the books guidance on try something and watch for my body's reactions this allows me to eat with pleasure the sorts of foods I enjoy. I lose weight steadily this way and it's a woe I can continue indefinitely I'm not one to deprive myself I've done that in the past and been miserable and yoyo'd on low cal /low fat

08-26-2004, 05:25 AM	#9
Diana Allergic to Carbs- I break out in Fat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Anderson, Indiana Posts: 34,966 Gallery: Diana Stats: 176.5/138.8/134 (5'3") WOE: The Original Atkins Start Date: 8/11/03 Restart 4/08	I can tell you from experience this is true with me. This is one reason I have given up on Powdered Splenda, and slowly weening myself off of any other. I seem to want sweets after using them. The only thing that doesn't cause my cravings is Atkins Sugar Free Syrups or other SF syrups, including Steva,as long as they are in Liquid form.

08-26-2004, 08:26 AM	#10
Kris B Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Milwaukie, Oregon USA Posts: 156 Gallery: Kris B WOE: Atkins Start Date: April 19, 2001	DianaO, That's what I was thinking (about the sweeteners being liquid). I wonder if it's not the sweeteners themselves but the dextrose and other fillers they use with the powdered ones. I know everyone is different so I think I'll test this on myself and see what happens. Thanks everyone for the responses. If anyone comes up with sience about this subject, I sure would appreciate seeing it. Thanks, Kris B.

08-26-2004, 11:22 AM	#11
Diana Allergic to Carbs- I break out in Fat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Anderson, Indiana Posts: 34,966 Gallery: Diana Stats: 176.5/138.8/134 (5'3") WOE: The Original Atkins Start Date: 8/11/03 Restart 4/08	yep, its the fillers. most definately!

08-26-2004, 11:46 AM	#12
Artemis MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,045 Gallery: Artemis	So what liquid sweeteners are people using? And what are their carb counts?

08-26-2004, 01:39 PM	#13
Diana Allergic to Carbs- I break out in Fat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Anderson, Indiana Posts: 34,966 Gallery: Diana Stats: 176.5/138.8/134 (5'3") WOE: The Original Atkins Start Date: 8/11/03 Restart 4/08	I use Atkins Sugar free Hazelnut, it's my favorite, liquid splenda I hear is nice. I have liquid Steva but it is Bitter no matter how small the amount.

08-26-2004, 02:00 PM	#14
inatic Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Alpharetta,Ga. Posts: 12,582 Gallery: inatic Stats: 182/126.2 5'4 46!yo 16/4 5 kidlets later! WOE: Coach Supervised Start Date: LC since 2/02 B'building since 10/15/02	I use liquid stevia. I dont find it bitter but did a bit when I first started using it, as I think i was using too much and didnt realize how potent this stuff is. AND I may have just gotten used to it too. I try to use stevia as often as possible.