Fat fast and the non-metabolic resistant...

3boys4me · 08-13-2004, 04:28 PM

I've noticed that there is quite often an influx of people doing a fat fast or calling it other names such as meat fast. It is used by many to drop the last couple pounds to goal, suggested to people when they're just starting the plan to achieve "real ketosis" or used by those who feel they're stalled even if it's just for a few days.

You said this in another thread....

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First, I want to stress to all that the fat fast is only for truly metabolic resistant individuals, as it can be dangerous otherwise, especially if it is abused by those who do not have a significant amount of weight to lose.

Can you explain to us who should be doing the fat fast and how it is dangerous to others that are not metabolically resistant?

TIA

Diana · 08-14-2004, 06:04 AM

I believe... and correct me if I am wrong, but it could be because a fat fast/meat fast whatever you call it can cause a person to drop weight fast!!!
When I do induction type menus I drop 1-2lbs a week, perfect.
When I do Meat Fasts/fat fasts I still only drop 1-2lbs, and I end up missing my salads! LOL
Course after a week or two of losing I stop losing for a week or two.
I have seen people drop like 5-7lbs in one week on a fat fast, but I have also seen the same on induction.

I personally have tried it, though I love meats and I love eggs, my cravings never went away (I was always told fat fasts help get you in Ketosis fast and cravings subside)SO why not enjoy my salads and other veggies? Seems like my body doesn't act any different if I take in 5 carbs a day or 20, My body reacts more to the Calorie intake up to 1200 and I can safely lose 1-2lbs a week, more then that and I stall out for a bit.

lilac · 08-14-2004, 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by 3boys4me
I've noticed that there is quite often an influx of people doing a fat fast or calling it other names such as meat fast.

The meat fast and the fat fast are not similar. The fat fast is much more restrictive. YOu have to restrict calories.

Atkins_Nutritionist · 08-14-2004, 08:11 AM

There is a lot of confusion on this "fast" issue.

Dr. Atkins recommended a fat fast as way of breaking a plateau. It was not to be used long term. It should only be tried for 4-5 days.

The fat fast is based on the works of researchers from England. You can read the details in his last version of "Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution" pages 272-274.

It consists of 1000 calories total (five, 200 calorie small snack size meals of mostly fat (eggs, macadamia nuts, cream ceese, cavier...)

He makes it clear that this is dangerous for anyone who is NOT metabolically resistent because the rapid weight loss is unsafe.

I am unsure of where the the meat fast originated but would love to hear from someone who might know!

Magicsmom · 08-14-2004, 03:05 PM

This is my opinion from comments I have observed here: the "meat fast" was a concoction of this board, as 3boys4me said, has been touted as a way of achieving "real ketosis". I guess that means that those of us who are doing it by the book are in fake ketosis

. At any rate, I see this meat fast thing getting overused here by people to speed up weight loss. I am not one of those who believes that experiencing hunger from time to time means you're not in ketosis. IMHO, people confuse hunger with cravings. Hunger is natural. It's the body's way of telling us where it stands nutrition wise, and I don't feel edified when someone tells me that I am doing something wrong if I get hungry. I understand very well the concept of eating only until satisfied, and when I am hungry, I eat.

Those who do and tout the meat fast should be more careful to note that it is an aberration, not what Dr. Atkins taught.

Terry

3boys4me · 08-14-2004, 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by Atkins_Nutritionist

Dr. Atkins recommended a fat fast as way of breaking a plateau. It was not to be used long term. It should only be tried for 4-5 days.

What is considered a plateau?

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He makes it clear that this is dangerous for anyone who is NOT metabolically resistent because the rapid weight loss is unsafe.

What's dangerous about rapid weight loss?

3boys4me · 08-14-2004, 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by Magicsmom
This is my opinion from comments I have observed here: the "meat fast" was a concoction of this board, as 3boys4me said, has been touted as a way of achieving "real ketosis". I guess that means that those of us who are doing it by the book are in fake ketosis .

Yes Magic, that's what's inferred. That along with those of us doing DANDR aren't really doing Atkins

LCRedhead · 08-14-2004, 04:33 PM

A plateau according to Dr. Atkins is no weight loss or inches lost (now here is the kicker) in four consecutive weeks. I often read on here where people complain they are stalled or have hit a plateau because they haven't lost weight in 3 days or a week.

Thanks for starting this thread 3boys4me I think its very important for those who think they have to get into someone else's opinion of real ketosis.

Nutritionist, can you post some specific problems that can occur? I know that gallstones is one from rapid weight loss. Maybe if people read actual problems that can occur they won't be so quick to jump on someone else's bandwagon.

Maire · 08-16-2004, 07:12 PM

Dr. Atkins in DANDR, page 237 in the 1992 / 1999 pb edition, suggests, " retreating to zero carbohydrates" as a first step for those with metabolic resistance. He refers to 2 to 3 days of a "nothing but meat, eggs, fish, and fowl diet," and then goes on to explain the fat fast which is considered more effective.

That is why I first tried (successfully) a meat fast, after losing three pounds on Induction and then nothing more for seven months, with no cheating.

A three-day protein-only fast is also the first step in the Lindora Clinic's Lean for Life program that dates back to about 1971.

Actually, I have been more successful with lean protein fasts than fat fasts, perhaps because protein is lower calorie. One could theoretically eat up to 12 times a day on a lean protein fast, without going over 1200 calories. In practice, I am not hungry enough to eat 12 times a day, and besides, I have to work some time!

"Fake" ketosis versus "real" ketosis:

My understanding is that someone who has dark purple test strips because of the high fat content of their diet, rather than the burning of body fat, would not be in real ketosis. Conversely, if test strips are purple when one is consuming lean protein, the color is likely to be the result of burning body fat, "real" ketosis.

bernie · 08-17-2004, 09:31 AM

HI,

I just wanted to say that the "meat fast" could have been derived from Dr. Stillman's diet. I not sure what a meat fast on this board is concidered but I've done Stillman's a few times and it consists of all lean meat, eggs and soft cheese. It is very low carb as well as low calorie. This plan works very well for breaking a stall and I can loose 1 to 2 pounds a day while doing it.

Thanks
Bernie

08-14-2004, 06:04 AM	#2
Diana Allergic to Carbs- I break out in Fat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Anderson, Indiana Posts: 34,917 Gallery: Diana Stats: 176.5/138.8/134 (5'3") WOE: The Original Atkins Start Date: 8/11/03 Restart 4/08	I believe... and correct me if I am wrong, but it could be because a fat fast/meat fast whatever you call it can cause a person to drop weight fast!!! When I do induction type menus I drop 1-2lbs a week, perfect. When I do Meat Fasts/fat fasts I still only drop 1-2lbs, and I end up missing my salads! LOL Course after a week or two of losing I stop losing for a week or two. I have seen people drop like 5-7lbs in one week on a fat fast, but I have also seen the same on induction. I personally have tried it, though I love meats and I love eggs, my cravings never went away (I was always told fat fasts help get you in Ketosis fast and cravings subside)SO why not enjoy my salads and other veggies? Seems like my body doesn't act any different if I take in 5 carbs a day or 20, My body reacts more to the Calorie intake up to 1200 and I can safely lose 1-2lbs a week, more then that and I stall out for a bit. __________________ Diana PROUD Member of The Sayonara CARBOnara Challenge 88 % to Goal Your day is not random. It is set by what you choose to live with. "Since I'm not on a diet, I can't go off of it." (AllieCat0817)

08-14-2004, 03:05 PM	#5
Magicsmom Committed to Succeed Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: State of Mind Posts: 15,787 Gallery: Magicsmom Stats: 282/210/140 WOE: Seeing a nutritionist who believes in low carb! Start Date: Off & On (mostly on) since January 2004	This is my opinion from comments I have observed here: the "meat fast" was a concoction of this board, as 3boys4me said, has been touted as a way of achieving "real ketosis". I guess that means that those of us who are doing it by the book are in fake ketosis . At any rate, I see this meat fast thing getting overused here by people to speed up weight loss. I am not one of those who believes that experiencing hunger from time to time means you're not in ketosis. IMHO, people confuse hunger with cravings. Hunger is natural. It's the body's way of telling us where it stands nutrition wise, and I don't feel edified when someone tells me that I am doing something wrong if I get hungry. I understand very well the concept of eating only until satisfied, and when I am hungry, I eat. Those who do and tout the meat fast should be more careful to note that it is an aberration, not what Dr. Atkins taught. Terry __________________ Terry Member of The Sayonara Carbonara Challenge *Bona Fide Famous* B.A.N.T.A. Babe**

08-16-2004, 07:12 PM	#9
Maire Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 167 Gallery: Maire Stats: 138/110/110 WOE: Atkins Start Date: 1/1/03	The origin of the meat fast: Dr. Atkins in DANDR, page 237 in the 1992 / 1999 pb edition, suggests, " retreating to zero carbohydrates" as a first step for those with metabolic resistance. He refers to 2 to 3 days of a "nothing but meat, eggs, fish, and fowl diet," and then goes on to explain the fat fast which is considered more effective. That is why I first tried (successfully) a meat fast, after losing three pounds on Induction and then nothing more for seven months, with no cheating. A three-day protein-only fast is also the first step in the Lindora Clinic's Lean for Life program that dates back to about 1971. Actually, I have been more successful with lean protein fasts than fat fasts, perhaps because protein is lower calorie. One could theoretically eat up to 12 times a day on a lean protein fast, without going over 1200 calories. In practice, I am not hungry enough to eat 12 times a day, and besides, I have to work some time! "Fake" ketosis versus "real" ketosis: My understanding is that someone who has dark purple test strips because of the high fat content of their diet, rather than the burning of body fat, would not be in real ketosis. Conversely, if test strips are purple when one is consuming lean protein, the color is likely to be the result of burning body fat, "real" ketosis. Last edited by Maire : 08-16-2004 at 07:17 PM.

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08-14-2004, 08:11 AM	#4
Atkins_Nutritionist Nutritionist Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Atkins Health and Medical Information Services Posts: 684 Gallery: Atkins_Nutritionist	There is a lot of confusion on this "fast" issue. Dr. Atkins recommended a fat fast as way of breaking a plateau. It was not to be used long term. It should only be tried for 4-5 days. The fat fast is based on the works of researchers from England. You can read the details in his last version of "Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution" pages 272-274. It consists of 1000 calories total (five, 200 calorie small snack size meals of mostly fat (eggs, macadamia nuts, cream ceese, cavier...) He makes it clear that this is dangerous for anyone who is NOT metabolically resistent because the rapid weight loss is unsafe. I am unsure of where the the meat fast originated but would love to hear from someone who might know!

08-14-2004, 04:33 PM	#8
LCRedhead MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Florida Treasure Coast Posts: 2,959 Gallery: LCRedhead Stats: Total Lost 9.5 WOE: SS Start Date: Aug. 22, 2008	A plateau according to Dr. Atkins is no weight loss or inches lost (now here is the kicker) in four consecutive weeks. I often read on here where people complain they are stalled or have hit a plateau because they haven't lost weight in 3 days or a week. Thanks for starting this thread 3boys4me I think its very important for those who think they have to get into someone else's opinion of real ketosis. Nutritionist, can you post some specific problems that can occur? I know that gallstones is one from rapid weight loss. Maybe if people read actual problems that can occur they won't be so quick to jump on someone else's bandwagon.

08-17-2004, 09:31 AM	#10
bernie MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ont. Posts: 2,694 Gallery: bernie	HI, I just wanted to say that the "meat fast" could have been derived from Dr. Stillman's diet. I not sure what a meat fast on this board is concidered but I've done Stillman's a few times and it consists of all lean meat, eggs and soft cheese. It is very low carb as well as low calorie. This plan works very well for breaking a stall and I can loose 1 to 2 pounds a day while doing it. Thanks Bernie