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Old 12-03-2013, 11:35 AM   #121
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So happy to hear such good news. Wow, aren't you doing wonderfully! Your Dr. might be re-thinking a few things. Great news. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 12-03-2013, 12:54 PM   #122
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MissG, Awesome job on the loss so far! I always have an late evening snack of deviled eggs to keep those food cravings at bay. Glad you stuck to the plan.

MtherGoos, WTG on schooling that doctor! LOL I think people are intimidated by the low carb plans because they don't know exactly what it entails. I know that I was. Hopefully though you planted a seed and this doctor will become a convert. And then maybe she'll go on to reach out to other people.
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Thanks everyone! I am behind on reading posts,but will attempt to get caught up tonight!

I am doing a 6 day meat and egg fast. I am not weighing again until Friday morning (if I can manage it)! I indulged a bit too much on Saturday night and my birthday.

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Dec 1 - 177.8
Dec 2 - 180.2
Dec 3 - DNW (Meat and Egg fast)
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:16 PM   #124
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MEAT & EGG FAST

Should I assume this is exactly what it says it is??? Except for 1 cup of lettuce with 1 tbsp Ranch, that is all I eat every day??
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:24 PM   #125
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Mothergoose: You tell them. I love how the uneducated can teach me so much. I even had a friend tell me that dr. atkins died because of the diet!!!! Oh, I just laugh and say look at my results and my testing.

Lorias: Sounds like a good plan. I am on day 43 of a meat and egg fast and it seems to be working! LOL I did cheat twice however. I think if you can get a good 14 days straight on plan, you are then off to the races.

Busy day. Already had 10,000 steps so far today. Getting up early sure makes you tired by 430. I am going to buck up some energy and go hang lights for the next 3 hours or so. That will add up to some steps and more calories burned. Glad eveyone is doing so well.
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Bonny-jean: You are basically on that fast. I eat that way every day. I will throw in 3-5 olives daily, which is a little less than 1 carb. And will have spinach sauteed in butter twice a week. Other than that....nothing but meat eggs and cheese. 5 carbs a day max including the 1.6 i get from eggs every morning.
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Kemp, doesn't that just annoy you? I have heard SO MANY times that Dr. Atkins died from a heart attack because of eating this way. UH.......NO, he didn't. I wish people wouldn't spout things off as fact that they know nothing about. Do you correct them when they say that, or do you let it go? I SHOULD let it go and ignore the ignorance, but I usually can't. I have to correct them, and not always so politely.

Bonny Jean, like Kemp, that's how I eat every day. Meat, eggs, and some cheese. LOVE it!

So, tonight I'll start walking. I'm at work every day from 8 am - 7pm, and the last thing I want to do is exercise after dinner every night at 8 pm. So I convinced the BF to work the last hour of the day alone at the shop and let me leave an hour early each day so I can go home and get on the treadmill before dinner. So tonight is my first night. No way can I do what Kemp does, but it's my beginning towards running a half marathon next year!
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Bonny-jean: You are basically on that fast. I eat that way every day. I will throw in 3-5 olives daily, which is a little less than 1 carb. And will have spinach sauteed in butter twice a week. Other than that....nothing but meat eggs and cheese. 5 carbs a day max including the 1.6 i get from eggs every morning.
I'm very similar. Most of the time I just do meat and eggs. If I do have a veggie, its once a day and either with breakfast or lunch.
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Mothergoose: Oh I correct them with a shock collar!!!! LOL I just tell them the facts. I usually carry around my blood work in the car. That shows my cholesterol dropping a 120 points in 30 days, that usually does the trick. Then they say well long term it could harm you. I say what me being 80 pounds over weight does not harm me??? There is no science of anykind proving any ill effects long term. Oh well. I could not even jog half a mile 5 weeks ago. So you have to start somewhere. So proud of you for getting on the treadmill. Will take you to a whole new level of healthy.
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Thanks Kemp! Who knows, maybe some day we'll all meet up and run a half marathon together! Wouldn't that be amazing! LOL An Atkins team of runners!
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I made it through Day 1 of Cookiepalooza! Not a single bite. I did mindlessly lick a teeny bit (way smaller than 1/8 of a teaspoon of frosting, just a little drop) off the tip of one of my fingers. I yelled "AAK!" and wiped my tongue off with a paper towel!!!! It was truly an absentminded thing.

I got my 10 carb (total carb count) Bacon Ranch Salad with grilled chicken at McDonald's, gave the tomatoes to my daughter and avoided the carrots in the salad. I didn't finish it, so maybe 6 carbs for what I did eat of it. A large coffee with cream and one packet of Stevia in the raw! I KNOW I can get through day 2 of this shindig because I'm making myself accountable to all of you and not just myself!
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Way to go Gyspy! The first day was the hardest, tomorrow will be easy easy! McDonalds is one of my go to's when I have to eat out. I like the McDoubles on the dollar menu and just get them with no bun, no onions, and no ketchup. Makes it cheap and easy! LOL
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[QUOTE=MtherGoos;16704815]Thanks Kemp! Who knows, maybe some day we'll all meet up and run a half marathon together! Wouldn't that be amazing! [QUOTE]

Wow, what a coincidence saying we should meet up. I was just thinking the same exact thing!!! Not even an hour ago. That's bizarre. I don't know about the running part but wouldn't that be a blast to meet each other.
Eeeee, what fun!!!!
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Gypsy I have So done that! Just licked the spoon etc and Freaked! Lol spit spit and Spit! Lol
Believe me ya'll when I started lc again I heard it All! How it'll Kill my kidneys! How LC will raise my cholestrol etc how Dr A died from his own diet! I just either set em straight or Laugh and walk away! Like being 5'4 and 207 wasn't gonna Kill me?! Duh! Lol
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Amen, Shelly! You would think this WOE would have a lot more respect by now, wouldn't you?? It WORKS! And it's good for so many things besides simple weight loss and lowering risk factors for diseases and conditions (which is enough IMHO). It's great for diabetics and pre-diabetics, people with epilepsy, PCOS. And with so many people having gluten issues??? I usually don't tell people I'm doing Atkins (it's none of their darn business!), I tell them I've gone sugar and gluten-free. Salads are bad for me? Spinach? Broccoli? Eggs? BS! It's the sugar that's killing all of us!
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Gypsy, it's so funny you mention that about this WOE having more respect by now. I was just telling my BF that yesterday. The doctor was asking me so many questions about what I eat and how I eat and she was just so in awe, and kept saying... "I can't believe you've lost over 100 pounds". And I just kept thinking..... I didn't invent this way of eating, it's been around since the 70's! Why don't you know more about it????
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I made it through Day 1 of Cookiepalooza! I yelled "AAK!" and wiped my tongue off with a paper towel!!
Ha-ha, truly funny. Good for you for not snackin'. Kuddos for getting thru that.
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Gypsy: way to go on making it with out breaking. Proud of you.

Bonny-jean: That would be cool to meet somewhere down the road. We are all so far away we can just meet at Shellys house she is in the middle. LOL

I defend this diet all the time. My mom hates this WOE. But she loves her son being thinner and healthier. I defend this WOE like it was a religion. It works. It betters blood work etc. We have all seen the light. This is my favorite statement "When you get off the diet you gain it all back!!!!" True you will if you stop LC , BUT THAT IS TRUE WITH ANY DIET PLAN!!! People just hate to see you better yourselves sometimes.
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Good evening everyone! I hope everyone is doing well!

MtherGoos: I am -SO- glad you threw down some knowledge for your doctor. Everyone I have talked to about LCing, aside for you all, apparently think this is a horrible WOE and will destroy your health. I just don't share that opinion with them, and will continue on this WOE. I'm eating less on this WOE than I was before, with healthier amounts of vegetables and good fats. I'm glad your lab results spoke for themselves!!!!

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The other day a friend of mine was telling me about one of her work buddy's doing Atkins and losing 90 pounds and how he put it all right back on. I said "Um, you don't think the fact that the guy went straight back to the bread, donuts, cookies, and full sugar soda had something to do with that??"

Seriously, when you get the weight off you have to MAINTAIN! And that means finding that CCL that Dr. Atkins talks about. At your ideal weight, start adding things back in (in a certain order) and adding them back in slowly. It doesn't mean "Oooh, I'm at my dream weight/size, so let me eat pans of brownies" That's why it's a Way of Eating, not a diet! SMH
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People act as if Atkins is a bad word. If someone wants to know what I'm doing, I just tell them that I cut out sugar and processed foods. Somehow that's okay but its not okay to call it Atkins.
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Hello to all
Ive been following the chit chat and agree I support LCing all the way myself. After reading "Why we get fat" by Gary Taubess I was totally convinced this is the way I should eat.....and help reduce myrisk of diabetes and even Alzheimer's later on. I'm on board and looking forward to all the great benefits of LCing.
Please excuse my spelling....my laptop has a virus (ugghhhhh) so I'm using my kindle...small keyboeard!
Just wanted to post an update on my week so far:
Dec. 01 - 235.6
Dec. 03 - 234.0

I have 4 more days to go to finishout my 2nd week of induction and would love to drop another 3 by then. I think things are going along well but if anyone has any "Induction" advise I'm all ears!!!!
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Bonny-jean: That would be cool to meet somewhere down the road. We are all so far away we can just meet at Shellys house she is in the middle. LOL
Hey Shelly... what do you think??? Sounds like a plan, eh!! How about October 2014??
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LC HATERS

Can anyone guess at why people think LC is so bad for us??? For the long-timers, have you ever heard of anyone suffering bad side effects from this WOE?? You should have seen my Dr.'s face when I told him how I just lost almost 30 lbs. He was not impressed. You try to explain and they don't even want to hear about it?? I just don't understand the "anti-LC'ers."
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Off to bed. Oct. 2014 sounds good. Early morning for a run. Going to be 70 degrees in the morning so should get a good sweat on. 5 miles!!!
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RE: Low Carb Haters

-RANT-
(This was when I was about to start LCing, but it still burns me up.)

There is this one nurse I work with, and god help me I have wanted to strangle her so many times for being a b-word.... We were talking about eating plans, and I mentioned I was going to start LCing, and she told me, if I wanted to stay lazy and fat, keep eating like a lazy fat person, and that there is no way someone can lose weight on a higher cal/ fat diet.

I can't wait to hit goal and rub it in her face.

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About the resistance to low-carb diets...

Hello, challengers! I'm a long-time follower of this thread but I wasn't a daily weigher during the weight-loss phase so I'm not a challenger. I did want to chime in, though, on the LC haters issue because I've read a fair amount of medical literature since starting Atkins and I think I might be able to provide some insight into the question.

I think that part of the negativity about low-carb dieting *assumes* you'll eventually quit the diet. All of the data -- clinical, observational, etc -- indicates that EVERY DIET has extremely high dropout rates, especially over the long-term. Statistically, only a tiny percentage of dieters -- on any plan -- stick with their chosen diet philosophy for the long-term and maintain their losses. So the *assumption* is that you will INEVITABLY quit your low-carb diet.

Based on this initial *assumption*, behavioral *assumptions* follow.

People who follow low-calorie plans have been *generally* observed to retain some of the habits they developed during the diet phase even after they've quit the diet. For example, many former low-calorie dieters keep drinking diet soda instead of regular soda. They'll continue to choose some lower-calorie options in the supermarket, such as ground turkey instead of ground beef, even when their overall diet is no longer a low-calorie, weight loss diet. These habits become ingrained so, even when the dieter has changed his or her approach and re-gained weight, the subsequent diet isn't considered a significant health threat.

So the behavioral *assumption* with low-calorie diets is that it won't make you less healthy in the long-run, after you *inevitably* quit the diet.

Most of the follow-up data on low-carb diet studies look at Atkins-style low-carb diets -- not Zone or Stillmans or other low-carb diets that moderate fat intake -- and these follow-ups have found that study participants *generally* retain the habit of being comfortable eating larger quantities of fatty foods. When dietary carbohydrates are restricted to the ketogenic range, studies show that health markers improve dramatically -- total cholesterol is lowered, "good" cholesterol becomes a higher percentage of overall cholesterol, the triglyceride profile is markedly improved, and the markers for systemic inflammation dramatically decrease. However, when dietary carbohydrates are above the ketogenic range, high dietary fat intake has the reverse effect and the combination of high-carbs plus high-fat results in terrible health markers. So, when the dieter has changed his or her approach and raised carbohydrates, the subsequent diet is considered a significant health threat.

There's also an issue with the *type* of weight that is re-gained when low-carb dieters quit their plans. Surprisingly, re-gaining lost fat actually takes a bit longer than you might think. But systemic inflammation increases almost immediately when dietary carbohydrates are increased after a dieter quits a low-carb plan, and this inflammation puts a lot of water back into the body in places where having lots of water is not ideal. Part of the fluid re-gain that follows the end of a low-carb diet is water that's put back into muscle tissues along with the re-stocking of muscle glycogen, which isn't a bad thing. But another part of the fluid re-gain comes from an increase in systemic inflammation, which is a threat to long-term cardiovascular health.

So the behavioral *assumption* with low-carb diets is that it will make you less healthy in the long-run, after you *inevitably* quit the diet.

I don't think the average health professional is relying on study data to form an opinion about the long-term outlook for low-carb diets. But I do think that's what the medical establishment considers when they make dietary recommendations. It's common for people to think of the medical establishment as a blind, ignorant entity who hates everything that's new -- just look at public opinion surveys on US healthcare, this seems to be the common perception.

But the weight loss recommendation to "moderate" or "cut back" or to just, basically, do something that is more closely-related to the individual's *normal* style of eating, I think that recommendation honestly comes from the belief that the average individual will be better able to *sustain* less-drastic changes over the long-term. For example, when the doctor's response to low-carb dieting was that she "couldn't give up bread forever," I think that may indicate that she doesn't believe *you* can give up bread forever. Seriously, how many patients must she have seen during her career who have done whatever diet, lost however much weight, seemed like they were on a healthy new path, and then eventually dropped the diet and reversed all of the improvements?

Relapses happen often enough for people to expect a relapse to happen *every* time. For example, I was super busy with school so I was off the forum for a while and I believe people thought I must have relapsed and found my way back into Taco Bell. HaHa! I'm occasionally guilty of those assumptions, myself. When people disappear from the forum, part of me assumes that they've gone back to their old ways. I don't *typically* expect the worst of people. But it's so common for people to quit diets, I've come to expect it.

On a contrary note, the medical establishment *does* recommend dramatic dietary changes for people with serious health conditions so, as a caveat to my earlier statements, I have to say that I don't understand why they don't recommend low-carb diets for diabetics when there are decades of research that show low-carb to be an effective tool for managing blood glucose levels.

However, I do know where the concern about kidney issues comes from. It's not a legitimate concern, but I know where the misinformation comes from. Some children with seizure disorders are put on a super-extreme ketogenic diet, which is designed to feed the brain ketones rather than glucose, so the change in diet helps relieve some children of their symptoms. About 30 years ago, a child that was on this type of ketogenic diet died. It turns out that the parents didn't something they were supposed to do (I forget what), so the child died from a serious electrolyte imbalance, also damaging kidney function. This was a small child who was on a diet that is nothing like a *regular* low-carb diet. There haven't been any reported kidney-function problems in studies of adults who follow low-carb diets. But the slippery slope logic of the situation has led to the *assumption* that if kidney problems have been linked in any way to ketogenic diets, then the kidneys are at risk.

For what it's worth, that's my observation of the situation...

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Happy happy December....love this time of the year.

Goal 135lbs..
So my goal is somewhat to maintain the loss..
I,m sticking with induction foods until Christmas time for sure.

1st December 136lbs had too much bacon yesterday feel bloated today.
2nd. December 135lbs
3rd. December 135lbs
4th. December 134lbs
I can't believe how quickly the new thread is moving..decorated my last house yesterday, I was so busy yesterday, this house is big made and put wreaths on the door and windows lights everywhere, big pots..just tons of very tall ladder work..but it,s beautiful, looks like a fair land and the client is very happy, (best part of all). So I guess with all the up and down I loss a pound or as in migjh chart I lost a brick..

Trillex, thank you so much for a wealth of great information, as a person who has made my goal this is great to know. Thank you

I think from the very start of my journey it was one for health, and of course I have a fine example of long term low carbers in my parents, my Dad is in his nineties and found out he had diabetes when he was in his 60 and has maintained his life without injected insulin for all these years with a health low carb diet. So reverting to consuming high carb foods for my health is a no no. My tip to anyone that in a rutt or stall or yoyo is to try and think back to how you felt before you lost the weight you have already.. for me yesterday going up and down those ladders would have been so much more difficult...weight gets in the way of life...of living a good enjoyable active life.

Ava I always say the proof will always be in you weight lost goal...and no high carb dessert is sweeter than meeting goal..

Bonny-Jean, way to go on the workout..

Shelly congrats on the drop. I,m so very very happy or you...

Laura hugs

Kemp way to go on breaking your stall, enjoy your run this morning.

Mjgh06 love you wight loss chart.. I can't wait until you can tell people you lost a ''Golden brick''

DQ Hugs

Lori hugs

Rockinpeach.

MissG congrats on your whoosh..

Bulldogmom, hope you are feeling better today, you know soon you will see a whoosh, by the way, how is your foot what,s the update did you see the doctor..stay strong my friend send hugs

Mthergoos, way to go on informing the good doctor..you'll just have to convince her once you maintain the loss and run the marathon..

Pcaltman stay strong, you can do this.

Pink great on the loss hope you are feeling much better today.

Froggie get attitude and congrats on your losses
to the newcomer this is a great thread for information, support inspiration and friendship.

Well it,s Wednesday and so I,m off to my three days of very long hours at the newspaper.. so I,all try to post but it's hard..
Take care of yourself and each other, you are always with me..hugs
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Dec 1st- 143
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