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Old 08-04-2013, 01:13 AM   #1981
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Hi. I'm Jen. I like food.

Hi folks! I'm back on the Low-Carb thing for a while after 1) not caring and eating anything I wanted for a while then 2) deciding that Weight Watchers was TOO lenient (why yes, I will eat 12 brownies for 20 points, I just won't eat the rest of the day!)

Having a rough time working the night shift and wanting to snack a lot... no clue what to make/eat for snacks. 12-hour shifts make it hard to really stay energized without food of some sort.

Hoping to lose about 100 between the low-carb thing and working out with my trainer. Hoping to start up Zumba and Yoga in a while too.
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Old 08-04-2013, 04:54 AM   #1982
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DHoward12Fan - Hey I work 3rd shift. I have gotten to where I really don't need snacks at night but when I did eat them:

smoked turkey wrapped with hard salami

hard boiled eggs

cheese microwaved into chips

aldi's american cheese made into crackers in the microwave (they poof up), I top these with either sour cream and a bit of crumbled bacon or (not induction friendly but yummy) a lil bit of natural peanut butter.

celery with a bit of ranch

Also BBQ or cook meat on your days off so you have a handy ready go to food. Do not let yourself get "too hungry" your more likely to eat anything handy when this happens.

I'll get in my LC cookbook and get some more ideas for ya. This list should start ya off though. Kinda tell me what ya like so I know where to head in food choices.
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Welcome Dhoward12 fan (although being a Laker fan I have a hard time with your name). This is a very good program and it will work for you if you work it. Just go for it. You can snack away all night as long as the stuff you eat is on the induction food list. I used to eat every hour because I had hypoglycemia really bad. I can tell you, once you get rid of sugar, your need and desire to snack will go away.

Hang in there Martha. Give it a little bit of time. I would suggest that you stay on Induction at least another week and really find out what is happening. It may not even be food related at all.
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Trillex, thanks so much for the very thoughtful and information-packed reply. (Brains, looks, and a kind heart, this girl should go far...) Stevie, thanks for your help, too.

I slept a lot yesterday, then got up today feeling pretty good. But walked to the end of the next block and back and boom, back into the fatigue and crankiness. Looked at my log and this has been a crappy week for working out, too. Just no juice. Calorie intake about 8 to 10% below what it had been, too, because appetite has been non-existent to the point of having to choke food down, but staying between the lines on calories has not been a problem for a while.

I am at the point in my summer where I have to travel for a week and then get ready for school to start, so my plan is to moderate a little, aim for 25 net and accept 30 if that happens, and maybe revisit induction in October if I think I might benefit from it. That's assuming that my problems are coming from my diet at all, but I think it's likely. I have been reading a lot about ketogenic diets and the brain, and that's one reason I was really interested in getting and staying in that zone. My family tends to a couple of health issues that it looks like ketogenic eating would help. So I'll probably try it again.

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PS, Trillex, the business about the catecholamines sounds like it might be what's happening with me. My caffeine intake has actually gone up during this period, not through the roof, but up. I think the sugar withdrawal is less likely to be relevant right now, because I've been in the sub-50 net range for six or eight weeks and not eating more than a teeny amount of fruit.

It's a shame I can't, as Stevie suggested, stick to it a while longer and see if my body adapts or figure out what's going on. But I need to feel better to do what I need to do. (Like dance this Friday night!) On the up side, my waist and belly are visibly losing fat, and that's great, that's the "cosmetic" effect I was hoping for, though, at this point, my main interest in the ketogenic diet is really whether I can stay in it longer term -- for maintenance and general health.
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As a person who suffered his entire life with hypoglycemia, I can assure you Martha, I feel your pain. This way of eating just really cured me of hypoglycemia. I had to do a lot of trial and error in the beginning in order to get it all sorted for my body/brain. I discovered early on that many of the artificial sweeteners gave me symptoms like you are describing, so I avoid them. Caffeine also causes my blood sugar levels to drop (I understand this is rare, but it happens to me.) Everyone is a little different and you have to limit your foods and then add back stuff to see what is causing the problem for you. I wouldn't give up, I would continue to experiment. Remember, this isn't about a dance this week, it is about a lifetime. You always have more chances. In time I am sure you will figure out what works for you.
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Hi folks! I'm back on the Low-Carb thing for a while after 1) not caring and eating anything I wanted for a while then 2) deciding that Weight Watchers was TOO lenient (why yes, I will eat 12 brownies for 20 points, I just won't eat the rest of the day!)

Having a rough time working the night shift and wanting to snack a lot... no clue what to make/eat for snacks. 12-hour shifts make it hard to really stay energized without food of some sort.

Hoping to lose about 100 between the low-carb thing and working out with my trainer. Hoping to start up Zumba and Yoga in a while too.
Welcome back to Atkins! I started at 235 pounds and my goal is to lose 100 pounds. So, very similar to where you're starting!

Laura is the expert on working the night shift and making Atkins work. The only thing I would say about snacking while working is to pay attention to *when* and *why* you're eating, to learn when/if you're eating to genuinely satisfy hunger and when/if you're eating because you're bored at work (or something like that). I've been following Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution, which says to "eat when you're hungry" and only "eat until satisfied." It sounds really corny but that advice has honestly been the most helpful thing to me on this diet. Once I got into the mindset that food is about hunger -- and not about emotions or entertainment or whatever -- I wasn't tempted to eat off-plan, no matter what circumstances I was in.

If I had kept eating the way I was eating -- but just replaced the previous foods I was eating with low-carb foods -- I think it would have been more difficult for me to stick with the diet for the long term and I don't believe my progress would have been as consistent. I don't know anything about your situation but, personally, I had to change my mindset in order to change my body (for the long-term).

Good luck! Welcome back!
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PS, Trillex, the business about the catecholamines sounds like it might be what's happening with me. My caffeine intake has actually gone up during this period, not through the roof, but up. I think the sugar withdrawal is less likely to be relevant right now, because I've been in the sub-50 net range for six or eight weeks and not eating more than a teeny amount of fruit.

It's a shame I can't, as Stevie suggested, stick to it a while longer and see if my body adapts or figure out what's going on. But I need to feel better to do what I need to do. (Like dance this Friday night!) On the up side, my waist and belly are visibly losing fat, and that's great, that's the "cosmetic" effect I was hoping for, though, at this point, my main interest in the ketogenic diet is really whether I can stay in it longer term -- for maintenance and general health.
Good luck, Martha! The most important thing is to take good care of yourself.
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I am in a bad place emotionally, and spent the last few days falling back to my old ways of dealing with emotions by making myself sick on carbs. I have snapped out of it, 8lbs later I'm back to my nemesis of 175 and back on induction again. Sugar didn't make me feel better. I was stressed out, depressed and now felt fat on top of it.
I'm still stressed and depressed but at least I can control that one little thing. What food I put into my body. It's not much, but a little control is better than nothing. Updating my stats... *heavy sigh*

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I am in a bad place emotionally, and spent the last few days falling back to my old ways of dealing with emotions by making myself sick on carbs. I have snapped out of it, 8lbs later I'm back to my nemesis of 175 and back on induction again. Sugar didn't make me feel better. I was stressed out, depressed and now felt fat on top of it.
I'm still stressed and depressed but at least I can control that one little thing. What food I put into my body. It's not much, but a little control is better than nothing. Updating my stats... *heavy sigh*
I wish I had some answers or helpful insight into the emotional side of this journey. It seems to me like the food part is simple -- eat this but not that, eat until satisfied but not stuffed -- but the emotional challenges always seem to be ready and waiting to interfere with forward progress.

Hang in there, hon! You're doing great! You haven't just lost pounds, you've made your life better -- you've WORN THE TREAD OFF RUNNING SHOES! You're climbing mountains! Most long journeys will take you up hills and down hills. But you can totally handle these little hills because YOU are a freakin' mountain climber!
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Thanks Trillex. Yes, technically, this diet is very simple. It wasn't the science of food that made me fat. It was my drug of choice and like any addict, I didn't know when to say no. I was doing really well, faced some challenges and kept on track. I thought I was past this. But I took my wedding ring off on Friday and filled out the divorce paperwork yesterday, and I'm telling you... I want to drown in a vat of ice cream.
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Wow cmcd that is some serious stuff. I sure hope it works out the way you want it to. Stay strong. You know that food isn't the answer, now you just have to beat your emotional side into submission. We are with you!!!
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As a person who suffered his entire life with hypoglycemia, I can assure you Martha, I feel your pain. This way of eating just really cured me of hypoglycemia. I had to do a lot of trial and error in the beginning in order to get it all sorted for my body/brain. I discovered early on that many of the artificial sweeteners gave me symptoms like you are describing, so I avoid them. Caffeine also causes my blood sugar levels to drop (I understand this is rare, but it happens to me.) Everyone is a little different and you have to limit your foods and then add back stuff to see what is causing the problem for you. I wouldn't give up, I would continue to experiment. Remember, this isn't about a dance this week, it is about a lifetime. You always have more chances. In time I am sure you will figure out what works for you.
I have been thinking about Steve's post quite a bit. I'm very, very lucky in that (even though I have a family history of diabetes) I have so far not suffered any of these really serious conditions. I just got lazy, ate unwisely, and got fat. Most of that has been mostly corrected at this point, but now comes figuring out the future, and how to maintain. I'm creeping along very carefully right now. I averaged somewhere around 16 or 17 net carbs last week and am aiming for about 23 this week. And I finally picked up a magnesium supplement. I hesitate to take supplements, because over and over I've paid for the things and taken them faithfully, only to hear later that they either have no effect or that the effect is negative (!), so I'm going with a moderate dose and will see how it goes.
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CMCD -- good luck with this. It's a terrible thing to go through, and I'm sorry to hear it.
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Thanks Trillex. Yes, technically, this diet is very simple. It wasn't the science of food that made me fat. It was my drug of choice and like any addict, I didn't know when to say no. I was doing really well, faced some challenges and kept on track. I thought I was past this. But I took my wedding ring off on Friday and filled out the divorce paperwork yesterday, and I'm telling you... I want to drown in a vat of ice cream.
I'm so sorry you're going through this! I don't have anything helpful to offer -- I'm not even married -- I just want you to know that I think you're a great person and I'm here to support you in whatever way I can.
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CDM - I've been through this twice... best advice I can give you is:

a) get a hair cut
b) buy a new pair of shoes
c) keep the kleenex handy
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Well as everyone knows I was stuck for a long time and then finally started to move last week. Down two more pounds and my 36 inch waste pants are starting to slip down. I have been able to wear them without a belt for the past 3 months. This is good news, I started out with a 46 waist and my goal was 34 which is the next stop. So I am literally inching up on my goal waist line. Here is a picture of me at a show I did last week in my 36 jeans.


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That's a great pic Steve! So proud of you.
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new experiment in the oven now... can't wait to taste it. Chocolate Zucchini Cake. Gonna make a cream cheese frosting for it.
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WOW I just checked my measurements. WOW!!!!!

Start:
waist: 49 3/4
Hips: 51
Chest: 51
Underchest: 45 1/2
Weight: 245.7

Now:
waist: 42 1/2
hips: 43 12
Chest: 44
Underchest: 40
Weight: 206.6

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CDM--I'm an extremely emotional eater, too, and I feel your pain. I've been struggling with navigating my wagon the last few weeks. I find ways to binge on "legal" foods, and it's the worst feeling in the world *knowing* and fully acknowleding that I have a binging problem.

Luckily, my scale didn't fluctuate too much, and I didn't entirely cave and go for pasta or pizza..but my "pizza fiasco" a few weeks ago was enough to throw me into a bad place. I got right back on track afterward and I made it back into ketosis for a few days, but then the binging on lemon pepper salmon, pork rinds and sour cream, and cheeses has been enough to make me feel down.

I was out of town the last 3 days, and luckily, I didn't have time to sit down in binge. I ate mostly meat and eggs out of convenience, and the scale is sitting in a good place at the moment.

I can't imagine having the stress of a divorce on my plate (it probably WOULD look a lot like a vat of iceceam, heh) but I will say this: If you've gotten to the point that you've filed the papers, you've considered every possible route to take to "fix" things already..and you are intelligent, strong, and have will power to climb mountains, so while it's incredibly difficult and defeating now, trust yourself and know that you're doing the best that you can do for yourself. I have two close friends that have gone through divorce--and the initial months were definitely tumultuous for them--an entire overhaul of everything they knew, and a lot of identity re-forming. They are in much better places now, though. So, as with anything, take a day at a time, and give yourself a hug. I like Laura's idea treating yourself with a hair cut and new shoes--it's going to be a longer lasting gratification--WITHOUT the consequences of an extra pound and all of it's stupid guilt.

Stevie--you look smokin! Congratulations and keep up the good work!

Trillex-You're Napoli dress is BEAUTIFUL! and your words of wisdom, sincere encouragement, and positive vibes are definite graces. Thank you.

Laura-HOLY MEASUREMENT SUCCESS! And Chocolate Zucchini Bread? Do tell. Haha.
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Not sure if I like it yet... I've only eatin 5 spoonfuls. It's still warm and very very moist. Might have to play with the measurements of liquid a bit. Gonna wait until it's cool in the morning and then decide. It is very though. I made a cream cheese frosting to top it with. Give better results tomorrow when I know more of how it's gonna act.
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Here is a picture of me at a show I did last week in my 36 jeans.
Look at that cool dude. Cool skinny dude.
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Look at that cool dude. Cool skinny dude.
Well I am getting skinnier. But I am still clinically obese! 5 more pounds to go. Darn medical community.
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Well as everyone knows I was stuck for a long time and then finally started to move last week. Down two more pounds and my 36 inch waste pants are starting to slip down. I have been able to wear them without a belt for the past 3 months. This is good news, I started out with a 46 waist and my goal was 34 which is the next stop. So I am literally inching up on my goal waist line. Here is a picture of me at a show I did last week in my 36 jeans.

Way to go, Big Stevie! You'll be at goal SO SOON! That's super exciting!
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WOW I just checked my measurements. WOW!!!!!

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Chest: 51
Underchest: 45 1/2
Weight: 245.7

Now:
waist: 42 1/2
hips: 43 12
Chest: 44
Underchest: 40
Weight: 206.6

:jump joy:
That is STELLAR, Laura!!!

That's why measurements are so important. Because not everyone can look into the mirror and accurately gauge their progress. Plus, the scale only tells a partial story, and sometimes the scale can take some time to reflect fat loss progress. But when you lose inches, that tells you a lot about your underlying changes.
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Luckily, my scale didn't fluctuate too much, and I didn't entirely cave and go for pasta or pizza..but my "pizza fiasco" a few weeks ago was enough to throw me into a bad place. I got right back on track afterward and I made it back into ketosis for a few days, but then the binging on lemon pepper salmon, pork rinds and sour cream, and cheeses has been enough to make me feel down.
I DEFINITELY feel you on this! I have been eating RIDICULOUS quantities of *legal* foods for, pretty much, my entire vacation. At this point in my fat loss journey, my main concern isn't, "What will the scale say?" My main concern is, "Have I learned to live my life as a healthy, fit person?" And I honestly don't know the answer to that right now.

To me, it doesn't matter that I stuck with on-plan foods. And it doesn't matter if the scale went up or down or stayed the same. I still know -- in my heart of hearts -- that I let myself down while I was on vacation because I allowed my eating to be about things that it shouldn't be about. I know that I have a problem with food. And I know that I can't maintain my progress unless I address the issues that lead me to eat when I'm not truly hungry and/or to eat beyond the point at which I'm satisfied.

So, you're not alone! I'm in that same boat, sitting right next to you. We just have to keep rowing and pulling ourself forward. Even though we haven't yet solved all of our problems, we've made good progress! We just have to keep trying to get a bit better each day.
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Thanks, Trillex. :-)

I think the most significant thing I'm learning through this process is a nice hefty lesson in mindfulness. I know I've stated this before--but I'm an emotional eater.. Sometimes, that worked out in my favor because I would get myself so caught up with an outside stressor that I would lose my appetite for a week or two here and there..but more often, I would get myself caught up with an outside stressor and go hard on a pan of brownies, or spaghetti, or or or or..

I've had to become much more aware of everything that deals with food. Correct portion sizes, and appropriately spaced meals are just the top of the iceberg. Recognizing self-defeating thoughts like "I don't care, I just want xyz," or the justifications of "well, I had a light lunch, so it's okay to eat 15 hot wings for dinner.." (even though I know too much protein turns into glycogen) are much more valuable lessons. I'm not quite at the "understanding" the motivations of those thoughts, but I'm at the "recognizing" stage---which is leaps and bounds ahead of where I was in March.

I had camped for 3 days and didn't eat off plan foods at all, even though they were aplenty. I did have a few rum and diet cokes the day before we left, so when I came home I was super dehydrated and the scale reflected that, and said I was at 237.something. I LOVED that number, but I knew it was slightly too good to be true.

Then I jumped to 241, and stayed there for a few days. THEN the pizza fiasco. Ugh. The day before my "pizza fiasco" I was at 239.0, and I knew that it was "true." I was SO HAPPY to get into the next ten pound range!! But--I'm my own arch nemesis, and I allowed the pizza fiasco to occur.

I've concluded that it was a combination of a couple things that lead me to that fiasco. 1. I wanted to reward myself with something for getting into the 230's and doing so well at camp. 2. I was mad stressed about work related things (that still haven't gone away).. and 3. My husband, who has been talking about losing weight, but not taking any action was salty about my success (still monumentally encouraging, but his jealousy was showing through) and offered dinner while I was feeling guilty for doing well without him..and BAM. Pizza fiasco and weeks of fighting inside my little brain.

All of those things lead me into a big ol' slump of over eating "legal" foods for like 3 weeks. I went right back up to my 243 stall, and felt like I was never going to go ANYWHERE again. I joined an August challenge board in hopes to motivate myself a little more and hold myself more accountable, and so far it's been working.

On 8/1-243.2. Today, I am at 239.8. I'm hardly into the 230's, but I've been so far away from the 230's since my pizza fiasco that I'm definitely smiling.

One thing that I have to get away from is the need for instant gratification. I wish that I would have taken measurements at the start of this, but I was a total newbie and didn't even think of it. You guys have been powerhouses of knowledge, so I've read about how I shouldn't take the scale as my only measurement of success, but I haven't quite internalized that thought yet, and I still go to the scale every morning crossing my fingers for at least a .1 loss. I'm less likely to be sad now, because I do have ups and downs throughout the course of a week, but it's still the "go-to" for progress.

Maybe I should have hubs hide the scale? That's a terrifying thought, though.

Also--I've been doing precisely by the book eating lately, and I've been having painful numbness in my right hand again randomly in the morning. Before I started Induction, I had read that numbness in the appendages was a sign of diabetes (it was actually one of my most motivating factors to start this WOE) and when it subsided by doing LC, I thought that I had nipped it in the bud. Now, my carbs are controlled, my weight is continuing to go down, and I haven't had any mishaps..but my hand is going numb randomly again. I've also been getting dizzy if I stand up too fast. What's with THAT? I've never had dizziness in my entire life!

Sigh. I should probably suck it up and go to a doctor, I think.

Hope everyone has a fantastic day! Thanks for being here!
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