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Old 05-14-2013, 08:42 AM   #1531
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getting a bit upset over the scale this month.... 2 weeks and only .2 difference. I'm keeping my carbs down... eating right WTH?!?!?!?!?

5/13 - 224.2
5/12 - 224.... stupid scale
5/11 - 222.0
5/10 - 221.4
5/9 - 223.6
5/8 - 224.0
5/7 - 223.8
5/6 - 226.4
5/5 - 223.6
5/4 - 224.4
5/3 - 225.0# *sigh*
5/2 - 224.4#
5/1 - 224.4
Hey, Laura! I'm probably the LEAST qualified person in the forum to address this since I only weigh once per month. But a couple of things occurred to me... Your weight has bounced between 226 and 221 this month, which suggests to me that fluid fluctuations are making it difficult for the scale to tell *exactly* what type of fat loss progress you're making. I know that it's frustrating but I don't think there's anything you can do except wait for things to settle.

It's not a myth, it is *factually* more difficult for women to accurately track their fat loss progress on a day-to-day basis. Pre-contest male bodybuilders can track their fat loss progress fairly accurately (to a reasonable degree) on a day-to-day basis by using a combination of scale weight, site measurements in millimeters, and "caliper" measurements but female bodybuilders have never been able to reliably do the same thing with the same tools. It's not even a time of month issue with women because pre-contest female bodybuilders typically have too little bodyfat to menstruate (sorry, TMI), but they still have significant enough fluid fluctuations to make it difficult to track their fat loss progress as closely as their male counterparts can. And pre-contest female bodybuilders typically use prescription diuretics to keep fluid levels controlled but they still have fluctuations that they can't control.

With that said, even men who are *not* at pre-contest levels of bodyfat (5-8% bodyfat) often have fluid fluctuations that make it difficult to track their progress. Bodybuilders call the space between "normal" levels of bodyfat and "cut" levels of bodyfat "no man's land" or "the uncanny valley," and "whooshes" are a common phenomena during that stage of fat loss. They'll work and work and work, cut and cut and cut, and see no physical changes on the scale or in their measurements or in the mirror. But they they'll wake up one morning, go to the bathroom and see 5 pounds gone from the scale, an inch gone from their torso, and suddenly they can see their abs and see striations on their shoulders and thighs. It drives everyone crazy -- even experienced bodybuilders will often go through periods of serious depression during a "cut" because it's terribly frustrating -- but the nature of the human body is that humans can't control the output, we can only control what we put into it and how hard we make it work.

As long as you're carefully controlling what you put into your body -- by feeding it less than it needs on a daily basis -- the body HAS TO turn to its stored fuel to make up for the deficit. Even if you don't immediately see the results on the scale, you can trust that your body is pulling fuel from storage whenever you haven't fed it all of the fuel it needs to operate. Even people who are *not* on a diet that limits their calories or carbs often test positive for the metabolites of fat burning when they're tested after sleeping for 8 or 10 hours because the body still needs fuel during the period when the person isn't feeding it and so the body turns very efficiently to using stored fat.

This is the information that has allowed me to weigh only once per while still *feeling* as if I were making progress on a daily basis -- I knew absolutely without question that I have been eating at a level that HAS TO cause my body to use stored fuel. I can just look at my food tracker at the end of the day and *see* progress. I can't tell *how much* progress I will see at the end of the month -- because the body is going to do what it's going to do and I can't control that -- but when I *know* that I haven't eaten enough food to store fat, then I *know* that I'm making progress because my body isn't unique enough to violate a basic law of physics.

To be honest with you, this is somewhat *easy* for me to believe because I grew up around bodybuilders so I've seen really strange things happen with fat loss. But even when my rational mind is sure about what I'm doing, some parts of my brain still tell me that I *can't* go any farther. That's why I told you guys about how strongly I committed to size 12 because -- despite my belief in the math and my belief in my diet -- I still *felt* like there was going to be a point that I wouldn't be able to move beyond. But the math proved that *feeling* wrong. I just kept going and the laws of physics kept working even when I doubted them. The body is incredibly frustrating but it can (pretty much) be relied upon to do what it's supposed to do, even when we can't *see* the mechanics.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:52 AM   #1532
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getting a bit upset over the scale this month.... 2 weeks and only .2 difference. I'm keeping my carbs down... eating right WTH?!?!?!?!?

5/13 - 224.2
5/12 - 224.... stupid scale
5/11 - 222.0
5/10 - 221.4
5/9 - 223.6
5/8 - 224.0
5/7 - 223.8
5/6 - 226.4
5/5 - 223.6
5/4 - 224.4
5/3 - 225.0# *sigh*
5/2 - 224.4#
5/1 - 224.4
I had several periods where my weight didn't change for a couple of weeks followed by big drops. I think sometimes your body just needs to catch up.

How is your water and fat intake. Make sure they are both good. If they are, don't stress, just keep on the path and it will come.
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Thanks guys and gals... saw a small drop today 223.4, just ready to be under 220.... and ready now!!!! Added at least one latte a day made with cream, 1 tablespoon coconut oil, caramel sf syrup... helps to add some fat to my diet and tastes oh so yummy!!!!! I'm thinking I need to up the fat a bit, that might help. I also need to watch how many olives I eat... but they are so so

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just ready to be under 220.... and ready now!!!!
You'll get there, Laura! You're getting there. The scale can be *weird* and *stubborn* sometimes, but you're still making progress.
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Induction baby here

Starting weight 208.00
Day 4 of induction-down to 202.4
I'm super excited to lose the weight. I'm getting married August 31st and would love to be down about 40 pounds by then. I know that is a stretch.
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Hello all. I started Induction 5/16/2013, and going through the infamous flu. Day 4 and only a pound, but I know my body is adjusting to this lifestyle change. I decided to put the scale away and weigh every two weeks ( well thats the plan lol). I have been reading the posts over the last days and found them helpful and supportive. Lord knows I need it. Thanks for listening.
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Down 0.8 of a pound today... at least it's a drop. We'll see what tomorrow brings...
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Oh and for the induction flu Trillex told me to up my salt a touch... it's an imbalance in electrolytes.... And let me mention Trillex is WONDERFUL!!!!! Now she would have made it all techinical, I can't do that ... so I just gave ya the short version!!!!

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I agree with the salt intake! I had minimal flu effects just adding table salt to my two salads a day. Last time around I did not do this and felt awful-- nausea, lethargy, no energy or hunger. Now I feel much much better!

I'm starting day 15 today. I finished my two weeks, but think I'm going to do at least one more week on induction before upping my carbs any.

Starting weight 347 on 5/6
5/13: 337
5/20: 335.4

Not bad! An average of almost 6 pounds a week there. I'll take it. I've stayed on it with my carbs. I could probably stand to add a little more fat into my diet as well. I just hope I keep seeing the numbers change weekly. *fingers crossed*
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I agree with the salt intake! I had minimal flu effects just adding table salt to my two salads a day. Last time around I did not do this and felt awful-- nausea, lethargy, no energy or hunger. Now I feel much much better!

I'm starting day 15 today. I finished my two weeks, but think I'm going to do at least one more week on induction before upping my carbs any.

Starting weight 347 on 5/6
5/13: 337
5/20: 335.4

Not bad! An average of almost 6 pounds a week there. I'll take it. I've stayed on it with my carbs. I could probably stand to add a little more fat into my diet as well. I just hope I keep seeing the numbers change weekly. *fingers crossed*

I've been fortunate enough to not have gone through "the flu". I went through it really bad the first time around in 2004. This time it hasn't affected me as of yet. It could be because of the amount of salt I do take in. Thank you for the welcome!
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I'm super excited to lose the weight. I'm getting married August 31st and would love to be down about 40 pounds by then. I know that is a stretch.
Congratulations on your upcoming wedding!

Compared to other ladies who are my size, I was a fairly slow loser at the beginning but I started on 11 May last year and even I had lost almost 40 pounds by the end of August. You've already lost 6 pounds in 4 days and I've never lost at that rate. So 40 pounds is definitely possible, especially since you have a specific time frame and a huge amount of motivation!

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Hello all. I started Induction 5/16/2013, and going through the infamous flu. Day 4 and only a pound, but I know my body is adjusting to this lifestyle change. I decided to put the scale away and weigh every two weeks ( well thats the plan lol). I have been reading the posts over the last days and found them helpful and supportive. Lord knows I need it. Thanks for listening.
Welcome to Atkins, Miss Lala!

I cosign Laura's advice to eat more salt if you're feeling the "induction flu."
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TeeHee! I am SO long-winded! Which is probably why I'm still single... My new rule is that, when I'm on a first date, I will not allow myself to talk about the details of anything I've read.
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I agree with the salt intake! I had minimal flu effects just adding table salt to my two salads a day. Last time around I did not do this and felt awful-- nausea, lethargy, no energy or hunger. Now I feel much much better!

I'm starting day 15 today. I finished my two weeks, but think I'm going to do at least one more week on induction before upping my carbs any.

Starting weight 347 on 5/6
5/13: 337
5/20: 335.4

Not bad! An average of almost 6 pounds a week there. I'll take it. I've stayed on it with my carbs. I could probably stand to add a little more fat into my diet as well. I just hope I keep seeing the numbers change weekly. *fingers crossed*
Congratulations on making fabulous progress!
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Thanks all for the warm welcome and the great advice for the 'flu'.
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Congratulations on your upcoming wedding!

Compared to other ladies who are my size, I was a fairly slow loser at the beginning but I started on 11 May last year and even I had lost almost 40 pounds by the end of August. You've already lost 6 pounds in 4 days and I've never lost at that rate. So 40 pounds is definitely possible, especially since you have a specific time frame and a huge amount of motivation!

Stay determined and be who you want to be on your wedding day.
I am soooo motivated. I'm even doing a 30 day squat and crunch challenge along with hiking. I love Atkins. Should have never stopped.

Thank you so much! You are an awesome motivator..

I was shocked I lost that.. It could be fluid, but again it is 6 lbs that isn't on my body any more. This fat has nothing on me.
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I'm starting day 15 today. I finished my two weeks, but think I'm going to do at least one more week on induction before upping my carbs any.

Starting weight 347 on 5/6
5/13: 337
5/20: 335.4
Very good work. You made it past the hard part. I see you have a goal weight that is over 100 pounds away. Both Trillex and myself have stayed on induction levels for many months and are coming up on 100 pounds lost. Induction levels works and will help you to continue to lose.

Since you

a) have a long way to go,
b) it is clearly working for you,
c) You have proven you can do it,

Why not stay at induction level for the foreseeable future. Don't change whats working for you!

I see myself as always targeting induction level carbs on a daily basis, with the exception of additional low carb vegetables. When I am at goal, I will eat more carby sauces like BBQ sauce and such occasionally and maybe splurge for one meal (sushi with rice comes to mind), but not one day, or week, I feel too good on this eating plan and I like being thinner.

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I see myself as always targeting induction level carbs on a daily basis, with the exception of additional low carb vegetables. When I am at goal, I will eat more carby sauces like BBQ sauce and such occasionally and maybe splurge for one meal (sushi with rice comes to mind), but not one day, or week, I feel too good on this eating plan and I like being thinner.
I feel the exact same way.

I was eating a pint of ice cream or gelato at least once every day -- more than one pint per day on days when I went downtown to a shop that makes homemade ice cream. But I now realize that eating that way was making me ILL -- I couldn't walk a block without back pain, I was always out of breath, and I had zero stamina. So I just honestly don't want to go back to that.

I don't believe ONE bowl of ice cream is going to *destroy* the great health improvements that I've worked to achieve. HOWEVER, ice cream was part of a generally health destroying lifestyle, and I no longer want to live that lifestyle. So I genuinely don't want any ice cream, or ice cream substitutes, or anything in the ice cream *family* because I still have painful memories of sitting at the bus stop and trying not to cry from the frustration of missing a bus because I was too out-of-shape to run 25 feet to catch that bus.

The fact that I genuinely enjoy the food I'm eating helps a lot. I *only* eat foods that I enjoy, it's just that I choose those foods from the induction lists. I think this diet would be very difficult for me if I didn't enjoy meat and fish as much as I do. But there isn't any food item that I'm currently *not* eating that is worth suffering chronic back pain to have. The pleasure of food is just too fleeting, compared to the long-lasting health problems that I endured for years, so I just don't feel compelled to eat anything that I believe will *hurt* me.

With that said, though, I am currently moving up the Ongoing Weight Loss carb ladder. Because I want to test and see how different foods will affect my body.
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I don't believe ONE bowl of ice cream is going to *destroy* the great health improvements that I've worked to achieve. HOWEVER, ice cream was part of a generally health destroying lifestyle, and I no longer want to live that lifestyle. So I genuinely don't want any ice cream, or ice cream substitutes, or anything in the ice cream *family* because I still have painful memories of sitting at the bus stop and trying not to cry from the frustration of missing a bus because I was too out-of-shape to run 25 feet to catch that bus.
For me, it's Coke/Pepsi. I just don't want anything to do with any beverages made with a bunch of corn syrup/sugar. Soda is my absolute nemesis. I remember NEEDING it to wake up, to eat, to calm down when stressed, etc. I really felt like I couldn't live without it.

I eat low carb ice cream. I don't have that much of a painful history with it! But I can relate to all the feelings Trillex mentioned; insert-my-trigger-food-names-here.

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You guys are amazing! Trillex, thanks. You and Big Stevie are very inspiring! Thank you both for that. It's nice to know that others have been in my current pair of shoes. I don't have any terrible memories associated with food. I know somewhere it has some grasp on me, but when I WANT to, I can get a grasp on how I feel about food.

My downfall beverage would be sweet iced tea! By the gallon, please! I think I will stay on induction longer than I thought to do. I haven't started any OWL foods as of this time or expanded on anything else being added in. I feel good right now. I can certainly tell, though, if I haven't drank enough water. I keep a water bottle I refill at work and mark it with a Sharpie, making hashmarks each time I finish a bottle. Yesterday I didn't drink but 3 at work, and typically I'm on #5 or 6 by the time I leave each day. I felt ketosis breath approaching and felt a little weak, but I know now why.

But thankfully, I'm enjoying my water when I seldom did before. It seemed like punishment to drink it or had to bribe myself to drink any great, healthy amounts. Trillex, I like the way you said that when you started Atkins, you only had foods you enjoy, but chose them from the list of acceptable foods. I know what you mean. I am trying not to feel like I'm missing out on anything, but choosing to accept and enjoy the foods that are on the induction list, because those are the ones making me feel positive and healthy right now.

I do have a hard time wrapping my head around the high fat intake. I'm doing it, but after being trained to eat low fat, low cholesterol, etc, etc, this is hard. It's hard to cook my steak in butter and olive oil, and it's hard to not buy fat free dressing and mayo or eat Lean Cuisine for lunch. I hate seeing oil on my plate after I finish eating, but I'm getting used to it! I only do that at dinner-- my breakfast and lunch are much different, but that's when I get my extra fat in.

I like eating clean this way, and it feels good, but I have to eventually turn off the large, red beeping warning siren telling me something is too fattening! Does that get easier?
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I don't think you have to cook your steak in butter or oil, as long as you are get your necessary fats in some other way. Grilling or broiling would seem to be a good option. Also, FYI, I found one lean cuisine entree that was low carb (grilled sirloin tips with mushrooms and broccoli). There might be others at other stores. Not so great taste, so when the last one in my fridge is gone (or shared with the dog), I probably won't buy again. But the point is that it's really avoiding the noodles, potatoes and rice that up the carb count. There are some frozen entrees that fit the bill.
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Yes, filling up the carb count is sometimes harder than it seems! I typically don't cook in butter but olive oil. I know that we need several servings of healthy fat/ oils each day:butter, oil, etc, right? Good to know there's a couple of Lean Cuisines out there. I've tried a couple of the Atkins meals. The turkey one is so-so, but I really like the Carne Casada... it's like a bowl of meaty, tomatoey chili-- only 4 net carbs. My favorite with a salad for lunch. I've kind of strayed away from my lunchtime frozen meals and bring more things I should be eating. It's a new change, but I like changes... getting used to it, and honestly, missing carbs is not a problem for me.
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My very favorite low carb frozen entree finds are Tandoor Chef Chicken Tandoori with Spinach and a similar one with Paneer and Spinach. I keep several of each in the freezer for when I come home famished. I can eat them and stay on plan.

Cedar Lane makes a pretty good eggplant parmesan and another that is a stuffed pepper, as well as an eggwhite breakfast omelette with spinach. There another brand of eggplant parmesan that's not too bad, but I don't remember the brand.

I think when the Atkins phase was peaking a few years back there were a lot more low carb choices in the freezer case. It's really a challenge to find anything with rice, noodles, potatoes, corn, beans, etc.

I too am pretty happy just eating what I prepare.

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I do have a hard time wrapping my head around the high fat intake. I'm doing it, but after being trained to eat low fat, low cholesterol, etc, etc, this is hard. It's hard to cook my steak in butter and olive oil, and it's hard to not buy fat free dressing and mayo or eat Lean Cuisine for lunch. I hate seeing oil on my plate after I finish eating, but I'm getting used to it! I only do that at dinner-- my breakfast and lunch are much different, but that's when I get my extra fat in.
Personally, I never *added* a lot of fat to my food. I was putting a couple of tablespoons of butter on veggies during my first couple of months because, for some reason, I thought veggies would be *gross* without something to jazz them up. But then I realized that I actually find veggies quite delicious so I stopped adding butter.

Just cutting the carbs out of my diet, by following the induction guidelines, *naturally* put my daily macros at about 65% fat, 30% protein, and 5% carbs for the first 6 or 7 months. Each gram of fat contains more than twice as many calories as each gram of protein or carbs. And meat naturally contains fairly generous amounts of fat. So, if you measure your portions and log them into a tracking program, you may find that your diet has a higher percentage of calories from fat simply as a result of cutting the carbs.

To be honest, though, I'm probably not the greatest example of diet strategy because I've been eating a lot of seafood since New Year's so my daily macros have actually been pretty low-fat for the past 5 months or so. I just can't bring myself to shoot for particular, high-fat macros because I really enjoy the simplicity of Atkins and I don't want to add extra work to what I've found to be a great, simple program. HOWEVER, I'm not eating seafood because I'm *trying* to be low-fat -- and I definitely don't use low-fat products -- I'm just eating this way because this is what I *feel like* eating right now. Being able to eat what I feel like eating is what has helped me stick with the Atkins plan so I feel like I will be better off in the long-run if I eat in a way that I enjoy and can stick with for the long-term, even in the macros aren't *perfect*.

Now that grilling season is back, I will probably be eating more red meat and my macros will probably change back to what they were last summer.
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My downfall beverage would be sweet iced tea! By the gallon, please! I think I will stay on induction longer than I thought to do. .

I can certainly tell, though, if I haven't drank enough water.

I do have a hard time wrapping my head around the high fat intake. .

I like eating clean this way, and it feels good, but I have to eventually turn off the large, red beeping warning siren telling me something is too fattening! Does that get easier?
Learn to drink Ice tea without sweetener. I do it daily and love it. You will get there.

You need to drink about a gallon of water a day. It really helps you lose. I found when I wasn't at a gallon, I stayed at the same weight.

Yes, it is hard to retrain your way of thinking regarding fats. But you must to be successful on this diet. It gets easier and will become second nature in a few months time.

The times when you are getting week, is probably due to lack of fat. Do one of the online trackers and find out what your ratio of fat, protein and carbs are. I bet you are light on fats. You need the fat to run on since you don't give your body sugar to run on. Target percentage are somewhere around 60% fat, 35% protein and 5% carb. Some eat more fat. Track a couple of days to see where you are at and report back.
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I finally got on a scale I trust. I am the same weight I have been for the past 7 or so weeks, 218 which is 80 pounds down. I am closer to goal and have lost a lot, maybe my body is just taking a break. I haven't been tracking my intake as closely as before. I really want to loose another 20 pounds. I guess at this point I am going to have to watch my calories and start doing more exercise. My exercise to date his been pretty minimal. It is time to dig in and make it to goal.
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Hi I've just started on Induction this week:
Today I had: B- nothing
L- hot smoked salmon with baby leaf salad, a tomato, a tablespoon of honey mustard drizzle, a few slices of salami/pepperoni
D- broccoli, caul, carrot, chicken breast, bacon and cream cheese


Is this a suitable sort of plan. My carbs are below 20 and I usually eat breakfast of eggs with or without bacon. I also have a high protein yoghurt as something sweet now and again.
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I'm Afro-Caribbean and a large rear end is like dating *magic* in my culture... So flaunt it!

Seriously, though, I know it's a cultural thing but I genuinely don't understand why people in other cultures don't seem to value a larger rear end the way we do. I think it gives a very nice, womanly silhouette so it's very attractive. But my good friends in college were always trying to spanx their butts into submission. I honestly don't understand it.

I also think a large, high rear end looks great on men. Like, if you look at athletes like Didier Drogba, Samir Nasri, Karim Benzema, and Nicklas Bentdner, I think their butt silhouettes make them look stronger and more athletic. I think it makes their legs look longer and stronger.
I have to admit I laughed out loud at your large rear end comment! I have a large rear end and my fiance is 6'4" and 172 pounds.. We are like night and day. He is always telling me if I lose my rear I he will be mad lol.
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I'm Afro-Caribbean and a large rear end is like dating *magic* in my culture... So flaunt it!

Seriously, though, I know it's a cultural thing but I genuinely don't understand why people in other cultures don't seem to value a larger rear end the way we do. I think it gives a very nice, womanly silhouette so it's very attractive. But my good friends in college were always trying to spanx their butts into submission. I honestly don't understand it.

I also think a large, high rear end looks great on men. Like, if you look at athletes like Didier Drogba, Samir Nasri, Karim Benzema, and Nicklas Bentdner, I think their butt silhouettes make them look stronger and more athletic. I think it makes their legs look longer and stronger.
I have to admit I laughed out loud at your large rear end comment! I have a large rear end and my fiance is 6'4" and 172 pounds.. We are like night and day. He is always telling me if I lose my rear I he will be mad lol.
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