Which Atkins plan do you follow for induction and why?

Geesebaby · 05-24-2012, 07:06 AM

I've been doing the Diet Revolution for the past 2 days. Last evening I almost threw up from all the fat. I don't crave breads, sweets etc... I want my veggies!!! I could not for the life of me figure out how you can only eat 3 cups of veggies (my romaine is only 1 carb per cup) and still make that the bulk of my carbs. And I couldn't figure out how to use fats for most of my carb grams. I mean, one can only eat so much salad dressing and most fats are carb free!
I saw so many posters here and saw all the veggies they used and it baffled me. Some post led me to the Atkins current website and I didn't realize about the New Atkins New You (or whatever it's called). It seems to make more sense to me...6-8 cups of veggies seem more reasonable to meet the 12-15 gram carb allotment and then 5-8 grams for the leftover misc. things like dressings, cheeses, etc...

I think the new one will be a much better fit for me. But is it still effective?

I mean, I was physically feeling ill by all the fat and a lot of salt (from bacon, deli meats, butter). I am getting the New You one at the library today to get a better understanding.

So what program for induction do you use and why???

Divinexheirocity · 05-24-2012, 07:34 AM

I just went on the website, read through the description for phase 1/induction, making note of the allowable foods and the quantities the program recommends you eat, i also requested the starter kit through the website so i have a pocket carb counter too now. I also printed off the 2 week induction menu from the website and have stuck to most meals/snacks off that, making slight adjustments as needed (reducing the cheese, eliminating dressings with snacks, etc). I weigh in again on sunday and that will be 1 week for me so I'll let you know how it's working!

ravenrose · 05-24-2012, 08:46 AM

I strongly feel, from my personal experience and watching others here, that those with a LOT to lose do better with the older version with fewer vegetables.

New Atkins for a New You seems easier to follow, but I think it was largely aimed at the majority of American dieters who are trying to drop 25 lb or less.

In reality, if you eat the vegetable carbs suggested in NAFNY you are pretty much limited to plain meat for the rest of your food. almost EVERYTHING has a few residual carbs, and if you eat eggs (up to 1 gram each, depending on size) and/or cheese (a gram an ounce, pretty much whether the label say zero carb or not) they really add up. Cream cheese? a little salad dressing? they add up!

I think induction is best for the real obese when it's a real break for the MIND as well as the body from previous eating. We have to learn that vegetables are potent carb stores, even the ones we are used to thinking of as "free" on other diets. ESPECIALLY those. For those of us who eat low carb long term, learning that those vegetable portions really need to be measured and controlled is one of the key lessons. and hard.

good luck whichever plan you choose. count all your carbs carefully and you should do fine.

Geesebaby · 05-24-2012, 09:23 AM

Hmmm. Food for thought! (only low carb though! lol)
I certainly have a long way to go. But maybe I can find a middle of the road??? I thought for certain I'd not be able to handle this diet anymore yesterday. The fats really made me sick. I guess if it comes down to quitting or doing the NAFNY version with a slower weight loss, it may come down to that. Maybe a middle ground would be the best way to keep me on plan...maybe somewhere between 3 cups, but not 8 either. It'd give me more wiggle room for the misc items too. As the weight drops my acid reflux should improve and I'm sure I can handle the fats better. I guess I'll have to see how this week works out. Sure appreciate the comments!

JulieR · 05-24-2012, 02:28 PM

Are you sure it's the fat making you sick? Is it the actual fat or the idea of the fat? Also, what fats are you eating? A few things:

1. Processed meats like bacon and lunch meat can be very hard on your body. Why not stick to fresh for a while instead?

2. You don't have to smother your food with fat; just eat what you want. Slathering things with butter or bacon grease, or eating the fat on your cut of meat isn't really necessary.

3. If you area eating very low carb veggies then munch away! As long as you are keeping under 20g you're good. If you're giving away a lot of carbs to "miscellaneous" foods, then eat less of those foods and more of the vegetables you like - for instance, switching ranch dressing to oil and vinegar may save you a carb here and there without reducing your fat consumption.

Personally, if I had to eat 5-8 cups of anything in a day I'd be barfing. LOL Remember, too, that usually goals for fat consumption are expressed as a percentage, and if you are eating less of other things it doesn't take much fat to get up over 50%.

HTH!

williamson_ja · 05-25-2012, 12:52 PM

I don't think that following the old plan means that you HAVE to eat lots of fat. I can't handle that much fat a lot of days. Eat some boneless skinless chicken, turkey, etc. I don't do lunch meat at all since it has all the nitrates and additives. Try to stick to real meats that are not processed. If you don't like the fat, eat leaner cuts. Three cups of veggies is about right for me. I usually have two cups for lunch and one for dinner. Dress it less aggressively if the fat is still bothering you. Good luck. I'm out of induction now, so I eat more veggies occassionally. THe other day I spent a lot of time in the sun and my body was craving salad. I had 3 huge plates of salad that day. It gave my body what it needed and I didn't gain weight because of it. I would do the first two weeks with the older version, then add in more veggies after that. Two weeks is such a short time anyway.

Bobbin · 05-25-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Geesebaby

Hmmm. Food for thought! (only low carb though! lol)
I certainly have a long way to go. But maybe I can find a middle of the road??? I thought for certain I'd not be able to handle this diet anymore yesterday. The fats really made me sick. I guess if it comes down to quitting or doing the NAFNY version with a slower weight loss, it may come down to that. Maybe a middle ground would be the best way to keep me on plan...maybe somewhere between 3 cups, but not 8 either. It'd give me more wiggle room for the misc items too. As the weight drops my acid reflux should improve and I'm sure I can handle the fats better. I guess I'll have to see how this week works out. Sure appreciate the comments!

If you're only 2 days in, it's likely induction flu, and you'll feel like a brand new person in a day or two.

You need to try to wrap your head around the fact that natural fats (meat fat, butter, olive oil) are GOOD for you.

After a few days your body will adjust.

xamier · 06-03-2012, 02:30 PM

Mmmm induction flu most likely. You are suffering withdraw from sugar/carbs...

I used DANDR, still do as a matter of fact. Be aware that you don't have to eat 20 grams of carbs just stay at 20 or under.

Fat is not where you get the carbs, I'm not sure how you got the idea you get most of your carbs from fat because you don't. It comes from the salad vegies, dressing and trace amounts in other foods.

Maybe reread the book, until then eat 20 carbs or less a day and stick to induction foods, you will be fine. Oh yes, the good news is that most people who have induction flu feel wonderful once it is over.

princessmommy · 06-04-2012, 08:11 AM

I felt cruddy the first couple days too. Then more energy kicked in and I felt better. To Me the eatting fats means more like dont trim the fat off your steaks or pork chops etc.. Like i've been told to do for yrs! i don't worry about eatting it now and I Love adding butter to my fish and bacon to my green beans.

thealything · 06-04-2012, 09:31 AM

in DANDR you can do 3 cups of salad veg OR 2 cups salad veg with 2/3 cup other veg. lemme tell you, 2/3 cup tomato or onion adds up fast!

I'm not dying for salad all day every day, so 2 cups is fine for me and I usually get the rest as sauteed mushrooms/onions over steak or in an omelette. that, plus cheese, eggs, cream, lemon juice, and/or olives get me comfortably to 20g.

everdeen · 06-06-2012, 05:54 PM

I'm confused; I thought the 3 cups of veg was from the newest book (the New You one). I have both so I will check, but right now I have been following the new book. It says 3 cups of veggies which can be 2 cups from the "salad" list and one from the "cooked" list or 3 from the salad list. The portion size for a salad is about the size of a baseball.

(I believe the new book says not to have deli meats/cold cuts because of nitrates etc.)

BakeMeACake · 06-07-2012, 07:06 AM

DANDR says 3 cups salad veggies OR 2 cups salad veg and 1 cup "other" veg (from the list of acceptable veggies that are a bit higher in carbs). Veggies from the other list that cook down significantly, like tomato and onion, should be measured raw.

The New Atkins For a New You book states, "The 12 to 15 grams of net carbs of foundation vegetables (both salad and others) you'll eat each day are equivalent to approx 6 cups of salad and up to two cups of cooked vegetables, depending on the ones you choose."

BakeMeACake · 06-07-2012, 07:08 AM

The newer book does also say to stay away from processed meats like pepperoni, salami, hot dogs, cold cuts, and other deli meats. It's in very small print and written as a footnote though LOL

50by60 · 06-08-2012, 02:57 AM

BakeMeACake-keep your choices simple. Think of two or three breakfasts and rotate them, Lunch can be the same everyday for five days and change it up on the weekend. I find if I "pack" a lunch early each day (whether I am working or staying at home-I am on summer break from teaching now) I do better. Usually I roll 3 slices of Natural Applewood smoked turkey (Oscar Meyer) around one-half stick of Weight Watchers Smoked cheese stick for lunch. I also add yellow and orange pepper strips and cucumber strips with ranch dressing as a dipping sauce for lunch when I work so why not continue the habit when I am at home? Supper is the biggest hurdle each day so I have to plan early and cook several times a week so that it is already in the refrigerator and ready to reheat. I am having to weigh and measure food because eyeballing amounts is not working for me right now.

05-24-2012, 07:06 AM	#1
Geesebaby Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 111 Gallery: Geesebaby Stats: 304/269/150 WOE: Atkins induction, Gluten Free Start Date: Feb. 21, 2012 lower carb, 5-22-12 Atkins	Which Atkins plan do you follow for induction and why? I've been doing the Diet Revolution for the past 2 days. Last evening I almost threw up from all the fat. I don't crave breads, sweets etc... I want my veggies!!! I could not for the life of me figure out how you can only eat 3 cups of veggies (my romaine is only 1 carb per cup) and still make that the bulk of my carbs. And I couldn't figure out how to use fats for most of my carb grams. I mean, one can only eat so much salad dressing and most fats are carb free! I saw so many posters here and saw all the veggies they used and it baffled me. Some post led me to the Atkins current website and I didn't realize about the New Atkins New You (or whatever it's called). It seems to make more sense to me...6-8 cups of veggies seem more reasonable to meet the 12-15 gram carb allotment and then 5-8 grams for the leftover misc. things like dressings, cheeses, etc... I think the new one will be a much better fit for me. But is it still effective? I mean, I was physically feeling ill by all the fat and a lot of salt (from bacon, deli meats, butter). I am getting the New You one at the library today to get a better understanding. So what program for induction do you use and why???

05-24-2012, 08:46 AM	#3
ravenrose . Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: California Posts: 9,061 Gallery: ravenrose Stats: lost 130 lb so far, and miles to go before I sleep WOE: low carb controlled calorie Start Date: June, 2009	I strongly feel, from my personal experience and watching others here, that those with a LOT to lose do better with the older version with fewer vegetables. New Atkins for a New You seems easier to follow, but I think it was largely aimed at the majority of American dieters who are trying to drop 25 lb or less. In reality, if you eat the vegetable carbs suggested in NAFNY you are pretty much limited to plain meat for the rest of your food. almost EVERYTHING has a few residual carbs, and if you eat eggs (up to 1 gram each, depending on size) and/or cheese (a gram an ounce, pretty much whether the label say zero carb or not) they really add up. Cream cheese? a little salad dressing? they add up! I think induction is best for the real obese when it's a real break for the MIND as well as the body from previous eating. We have to learn that vegetables are potent carb stores, even the ones we are used to thinking of as "free" on other diets. ESPECIALLY those. For those of us who eat low carb long term, learning that those vegetable portions really need to be measured and controlled is one of the key lessons. and hard. good luck whichever plan you choose. count all your carbs carefully and you should do fine. __________________ Often I don't come back to read threads where I've posted. If you want me to see something, please send me a private message. Thanks!

06-03-2012, 02:30 PM	#8
xamier Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Citronelle, Alabama Posts: 1,056 Gallery: xamier Stats: 125 5'2"tall WOE: Atkins Maintenance Start Date: 6/17/03	Mmmm induction flu most likely. You are suffering withdraw from sugar/carbs... I used DANDR, still do as a matter of fact. Be aware that you don't have to eat 20 grams of carbs just stay at 20 or under. Fat is not where you get the carbs, I'm not sure how you got the idea you get most of your carbs from fat because you don't. It comes from the salad vegies, dressing and trace amounts in other foods. Maybe reread the book, until then eat 20 carbs or less a day and stick to induction foods, you will be fine. Oh yes, the good news is that most people who have induction flu feel wonderful once it is over. __________________ [COLOR=Blue] Betty Morgan (Winston Free State) Citronelle, Alabama, USA[/COLOR]

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05-24-2012, 07:34 AM	#2
Divinexheirocity Guest Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wine Country Northern CA Posts: 244 Gallery: Divinexheirocity Stats: 186/175/170 WOE: Atkins Induction Start Date: 5/21/2012	I just went on the website, read through the description for phase 1/induction, making note of the allowable foods and the quantities the program recommends you eat, i also requested the starter kit through the website so i have a pocket carb counter too now. I also printed off the 2 week induction menu from the website and have stuck to most meals/snacks off that, making slight adjustments as needed (reducing the cheese, eliminating dressings with snacks, etc). I weigh in again on sunday and that will be 1 week for me so I'll let you know how it's working!

05-24-2012, 09:23 AM	#4
Geesebaby Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 111 Gallery: Geesebaby Stats: 304/269/150 WOE: Atkins induction, Gluten Free Start Date: Feb. 21, 2012 lower carb, 5-22-12 Atkins	Hmmm. Food for thought! (only low carb though! lol) I certainly have a long way to go. But maybe I can find a middle of the road??? I thought for certain I'd not be able to handle this diet anymore yesterday. The fats really made me sick. I guess if it comes down to quitting or doing the NAFNY version with a slower weight loss, it may come down to that. Maybe a middle ground would be the best way to keep me on plan...maybe somewhere between 3 cups, but not 8 either. It'd give me more wiggle room for the misc items too. As the weight drops my acid reflux should improve and I'm sure I can handle the fats better. I guess I'll have to see how this week works out. Sure appreciate the comments!

05-24-2012, 02:28 PM	#5
JulieR Junior LCF Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Maryland Posts: 13 Gallery: JulieR Stats: 200/200/135 WOE: Atkins Start Date: 5/21/2012	Are you sure it's the fat making you sick? Is it the actual fat or the idea of the fat? Also, what fats are you eating? A few things: 1. Processed meats like bacon and lunch meat can be very hard on your body. Why not stick to fresh for a while instead? 2. You don't have to smother your food with fat; just eat what you want. Slathering things with butter or bacon grease, or eating the fat on your cut of meat isn't really necessary. 3. If you area eating very low carb veggies then munch away! As long as you are keeping under 20g you're good. If you're giving away a lot of carbs to "miscellaneous" foods, then eat less of those foods and more of the vegetables you like - for instance, switching ranch dressing to oil and vinegar may save you a carb here and there without reducing your fat consumption. Personally, if I had to eat 5-8 cups of anything in a day I'd be barfing. LOL Remember, too, that usually goals for fat consumption are expressed as a percentage, and if you are eating less of other things it doesn't take much fat to get up over 50%. HTH!

05-25-2012, 12:52 PM	#6
williamson_ja Junior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 54 Gallery: williamson_ja	I don't think that following the old plan means that you HAVE to eat lots of fat. I can't handle that much fat a lot of days. Eat some boneless skinless chicken, turkey, etc. I don't do lunch meat at all since it has all the nitrates and additives. Try to stick to real meats that are not processed. If you don't like the fat, eat leaner cuts. Three cups of veggies is about right for me. I usually have two cups for lunch and one for dinner. Dress it less aggressively if the fat is still bothering you. Good luck. I'm out of induction now, so I eat more veggies occassionally. THe other day I spent a lot of time in the sun and my body was craving salad. I had 3 huge plates of salad that day. It gave my body what it needed and I didn't gain weight because of it. I would do the first two weeks with the older version, then add in more veggies after that. Two weeks is such a short time anyway.

06-04-2012, 08:11 AM	#9
princessmommy Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 2,515 Gallery: princessmommy Stats: 207/151/145-140 WOE: Low Carb! Start Date: May 21 Yet Again!	I felt cruddy the first couple days too. Then more energy kicked in and I felt better. To Me the eatting fats means more like dont trim the fat off your steaks or pork chops etc.. Like i've been told to do for yrs! i don't worry about eatting it now and I Love adding butter to my fish and bacon to my green beans.

06-04-2012, 09:31 AM	#10
thealything Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 490 Gallery: thealything Stats: 238/196/138 5'7" WOE: Atkins (DANDR) Start Date: restart March '12	in DANDR you can do 3 cups of salad veg OR 2 cups salad veg with 2/3 cup other veg. lemme tell you, 2/3 cup tomato or onion adds up fast! I'm not dying for salad all day every day, so 2 cups is fine for me and I usually get the rest as sauteed mushrooms/onions over steak or in an omelette. that, plus cheese, eggs, cream, lemon juice, and/or olives get me comfortably to 20g.

06-06-2012, 05:54 PM	#11
everdeen Junior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 4 Gallery: everdeen Stats: 208.5/198.0/140 WOE: Atkins Start Date: May 22, 2012	I'm confused; I thought the 3 cups of veg was from the newest book (the New You one). I have both so I will check, but right now I have been following the new book. It says 3 cups of veggies which can be 2 cups from the "salad" list and one from the "cooked" list or 3 from the salad list. The portion size for a salad is about the size of a baseball. (I believe the new book says not to have deli meats/cold cuts because of nitrates etc.)

06-07-2012, 07:06 AM	#12
BakeMeACake Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 139 Gallery: BakeMeACake Stats: 240/173/150 WOE: Atkins Induction Start Date: 30 Jan 2012	DANDR says 3 cups salad veggies OR 2 cups salad veg and 1 cup "other" veg (from the list of acceptable veggies that are a bit higher in carbs). Veggies from the other list that cook down significantly, like tomato and onion, should be measured raw. The New Atkins For a New You book states, "The 12 to 15 grams of net carbs of foundation vegetables (both salad and others) you'll eat each day are equivalent to approx 6 cups of salad and up to two cups of cooked vegetables, depending on the ones you choose."

06-07-2012, 07:08 AM	#13
BakeMeACake Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 139 Gallery: BakeMeACake Stats: 240/173/150 WOE: Atkins Induction Start Date: 30 Jan 2012	The newer book does also say to stay away from processed meats like pepperoni, salami, hot dogs, cold cuts, and other deli meats. It's in very small print and written as a footnote though LOL

06-08-2012, 02:57 AM	#14
50by60 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Tennessee Posts: 187 Gallery: 50by60 Stats: 263/195/150 WOE: Atkins Start Date: 6/4/11	BakeMeACake-keep your choices simple. Think of two or three breakfasts and rotate them, Lunch can be the same everyday for five days and change it up on the weekend. I find if I "pack" a lunch early each day (whether I am working or staying at home-I am on summer break from teaching now) I do better. Usually I roll 3 slices of Natural Applewood smoked turkey (Oscar Meyer) around one-half stick of Weight Watchers Smoked cheese stick for lunch. I also add yellow and orange pepper strips and cucumber strips with ranch dressing as a dipping sauce for lunch when I work so why not continue the habit when I am at home? Supper is the biggest hurdle each day so I have to plan early and cook several times a week so that it is already in the refrigerator and ready to reheat. I am having to weigh and measure food because eyeballing amounts is not working for me right now.