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Old 07-05-2010, 02:52 PM   #841
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I disagree. If you're eating 20g carbs per day and want to have the dessert in addition to whatever else is on the menu that day, it isn't negligible.

If you're adding in a proportionate serving while also making appropriate changes to the menu so that the dessert is an instead of <fill in blank> selection to the menu, the count certainly is negligible. I think people get that the dessert is unlike a traditional serving of ice cream with 50+ carbs per serving.

It all boils down to choices, like everything else on this (and any other weight loss/lifestyle) plan.
I think our disagreement is on the term negligible- to me that means the count is so small or meaningless it can safely be neglected or dismissed. Which is not really true.

I do think there is room for a serving in your daily meal- I in fact made it today- it was delish btw. I have a small dessert most days. It's just you had said in response to someone asking about the carb count "there are trace carbs but they are negligible." I just didn't want any newbies to think this was a carb-free dessert.
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I think our disagreement is on the term negligible- to me that means the count is so small or meaningless it can safely be neglected or dismissed. Which is not really true.

I do think there is room for a serving in your daily meal- I in fact made it today- it was delish btw. I have a small dessert most days. It's just you had said in response to someone asking about the carb count "there are trace carbs but they are negligible." I just didn't want any newbies to think this was a carb-free dessert.
To me, they are negligible. And I believe that newbies shouldn't be venturing far from original Atkins until they have a basic understanding of the impact of carbs on insulin levels, at best. Newbies creating desserts while on Induction actually defeats the purpose of Induction.

For anyone going through induction again or extending induction, they are better able to interpret what the terms mean for them.

And in how much they are eating. Some people can have a tablespoon and be satisfied with that. Negligible carbs per serving size. If you scoop up a full plate, it is a different story.
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wow that 'ice cream' looks amazing.

I count 0.3 carbs per TBSP of heavy cream. Mine is also labelled 2.8 g/100ml so in one cup of cream it would be 7 g per cup. Remember it is usually labelled per serving so if they state trace amount or 0 ( which they can for anything under 1 g/ serving) for 1 tbsp that is technically correct but when you add it up it is not really negligible.
Thanks for explaining this...I am not a newbie, but just started using hwc in my cream eggs...I dont use it whipped at all as my woe is not induction but zc/vlc with my daily carb count of below 5...I know I would go over my limit if i made this recipe as i would eat more than a little......just curious why the label is so confusing...thanks for explaining....darn labels ...recipes looks yummy btw
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To me, they are negligible. And I believe that newbies shouldn't be venturing far from original Atkins until they have a basic understanding of the impact of carbs on insulin levels, at best. Newbies creating desserts while on Induction actually defeats the purpose of Induction.

For anyone going through induction again or extending induction, they are better able to interpret what the terms mean for them.

And in how much they are eating. Some people can have a tablespoon and be satisfied with that. Negligible carbs per serving size. If you scoop up a full plate, it is a different story.
I guess for me it is just important to count what I eat whether the count is .5/ serving or 5- but different strokes... I just wanted to clarify as this is an induction food porn thread/ nor the atkins food porn thread- so many newbies may have thought the dessert had zero carbs.
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Air is low carb and it tastes GREAT! And it smells great! Especially after being sick for three weeks.

Come and get me air!

I'd share a picture, but...well...it's air.
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so many newbies may have thought the dessert had zero carbs.
I give even newbies credit for being able to read labels.
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Air is low carb and it tastes GREAT! And it smells great! Especially after being sick for three weeks.

Come and get me air!

I'd share a picture, but...well...it's air.
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I give even newbies credit for being able to read labels.
haha... i always read labels...
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I give even newbies credit for being able to read labels.
yes but as we pointed out it says zero carbs or trace on the labels. Those labels are tricky beasts.

Anyway I think we both made our points- back to the the delicious food porn!
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Hey. I put a bit of olive oil in the pan and let it get hot but not smoking. Put in the cheese and let it sit. When I checked it the first time, it was not browning or crisping and I was disappointed. But patience wins because when I checked again, it was crisping nicely.
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yes but as we pointed out it says zero carbs or trace on the labels. Those labels are tricky beasts.

Anyway I think we both made our points- back to the the delicious food porn!
Oh, for goodness sakes. Even if you presume <1g really and truly equals even 3g per serving (those horrible, deceptive conspiracy of food label makers, where is the FDA when you need them), reading the label for amounts per serving is elementary, fundamental, crucial, responsible ... we are not lemmings.

Just because someone posts something that sounds wonderful, it does not eliminate the need to do your own research and determine what's best for YOU.
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Oh, for goodness sakes. Even if you presume <1g really and truly equals even 3g per serving (those horrible, deceptive conspiracy of food label makers, where is the FDA when you need them), reading the label for amounts per serving is elementary, fundamental, crucial, responsible ... we are not lemmings.

Just because someone posts something that sounds wonderful, it does not eliminate the need to do your own research and determine what's best for YOU.
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It's true you have to be your own advocate. Some Atkineers from 2002 believe cocoa powder (unsweetened) is allowed in induction because of chapter 17 of the book, while others believe it has to be an error since it's not listed in the original lists. I am in the cocoa is a spice and is ok if you stick to a Tbsp or less of it a couple of times per week, so you might see the occasional recipe from me crop up with cocoa powder in it--my chili recipe is a good example. I use it to infuse earthy flavors to offset the acid of the peppers.

I think it really is one of those things where you have to ask those questions and gather that information to know if it's right for you or not.
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Sorry guys, I did not mean to start a debate, I just did not understand my hwc label and with only 5 carbs a day to work a day with I have NO room for error,,,I apologize for starting a debate...
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It's true you have to be your own advocate. Some Atkineers from 2002 believe cocoa powder (unsweetened) is allowed in induction because of chapter 17 of the book, while others believe it has to be an error since it's not listed in the original lists. I am in the cocoa is a spice and is ok if you stick to a Tbsp or less of it a couple of times per week, so you might see the occasional recipe from me crop up with cocoa powder in it--my chili recipe is a good example. I use it to infuse earthy flavors to offset the acid of the peppers.

I think it really is one of those things where you have to ask those questions and gather that information to know if it's right for you or not.
thats an excellent way of looking at it cleo and i agree
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Sorry guys, I did not mean to start a debate, I just did not understand my hwc label and with only 5 carbs a day to work a day with I have NO room for error,,,I apologize for starting a debate...
no debate just trying to help.
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The discussion comes up from time to time. It's no big!

Here is some induction food porn: mini tacos made from cauliflower crust into shells.



And here are cauliflower breadsticks and pizza, Mexican spaghetti squash bake (better than it sounds), and BLT's on an oopsie roll.

Loaded mashed cauliflower



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The discussion comes up from time to time. It's no big!

Here is some induction food porn: mini tacos made from cauliflower crust into shells.



And here are cauliflower breadsticks and pizza, Mexican spaghetti squash bake (better than it sounds), and BLT's on an oopsie roll.

Loaded mashed cauliflower



drool... the mini tacos have always been a fav of mine - LOVE the mashed cauliflower too.
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I'd love to say that romaine lettuce spines are all anyone needs for a taco shell, but I can't hack the bitter flavor of the Romaine.
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I am in the cocoa is a spice and is ok if you stick to a Tbsp or less of it a couple of times per week, so you might see the occasional recipe from me crop up with cocoa powder in it--my chili recipe is a good example. I use it to infuse earthy flavors to offset the acid of the peppers.
Checked out your site, bookmarked it and took your name in vain every time I clicked on a new recipe. All I can say is ... wow.

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Sorry guys, I did not mean to start a debate, I just did not understand my hwc label and with only 5 carbs a day to work a day with I have NO room for error,,,I apologize for starting a debate...
No worries. It is good for the soul.

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All carbs count. It doesn't matter what it is or if a label states 0 carbs. They are allowed to list it as such if it is a small amount but those small amounts really do add up when used in larger quantities. All the ice cream recipes are mainly heavy cream. That would NOT be a zero carb food for sure. I count 1 carb per 2 tablespoons of heavy cream. The real count is 0.4 per tablespoon, but it can be listed as 0 carb by the maker. Things like splenda have carbs as well and so does sf jello.

Newbies should NOT be ignoring the count counts, especially when making dessert recipes. Unless the recipe calls for the tiniest amount where it would really not make a difference, which is usually NEVER. Its always 1 full cup of this, 2 full cups of that, etc.
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Thank you, Lady! Let me know if you have any questions about any of the recipes. It's nice to meet you. Your post made me smile.
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Thank you, Lady! Let me know if you have any questions about any of the recipes. It's nice to meet you. Your post made me smile.
Very generous of you! I was reading the other thread and saw so many wonderful recipes offered. Oh my. I think my next Netrition order is going to be a biggie.

After being here 7 years (lurking for a year in 2002 ), I never completed a full on Induction. Usually some other plan called to me (South Beach for a long time) but since it is mainly Atkins I thought I should commit to 14 days of Induction and see what happened. So many terrific combinations of things I would not have thought of on my own and it's made the last week and a half tolerable.

Left to my own devices it would have been just eggs, eggs and guess what? More eggs.
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I'd likely eat nothing but eggs, bacon and cheese, which led to the egg overdose of 2004. It wasn't pretty.
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Oh, for goodness sakes. Even if you presume <1g really and truly equals even 3g per serving (those horrible, deceptive conspiracy of food label makers, where is the FDA when you need them), reading the label for amounts per serving is elementary, fundamental, crucial, responsible ... we are not lemmings.

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This is why forums can be tricky- you have completely misinterpreted what I was trying to say. I just wanted to point out that your recipe while delicious was not zero carb, which some could have concluded from what you said and the fact that cream is labelled zero carb per serving. I know that everyone can read labels, and I don't think they are lemmings. Nor do I think there is a huge labelling conspiracy monster out to get us LCers. Some people do rely on these boards for information. My goal was simply to provide information to some who may not have had it. Clearly this has frustrated you. I apologise.
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Clearly this has frustrated you. I apologise.
No frustration here. No need for apologies.
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