Any reason to rein in heavy ketosis during Induction?

fireflyfaster · 05-05-2009, 12:05 AM

Halfway through my "by the book" Induction, my Ketostix are consistently showing at about 80, or "heavy" ketosis (but not the 160 "very heavy" reading.)

I'm eating allowed foods to full and measuring and consuming my max allotment of greens and veggies, so I don't have a lot of latitude to slow it down without adding non-induction quantities of carbs, and I really don't want to.

Is there any reason I can't go on in heavy ketosis? I ask because I vaguely recollect reading that moderate was best and slight was perfectly acceptable.

PghPALady1974 · 05-05-2009, 03:27 AM

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Ketosis is ketosis. Don't worry about levels. It doesn't matter if you are light pink or darkest purple. Don't let those pee sticks rule you. [/COLOR]

2big4mysize · 05-05-2009, 10:31 AM

you are using two very different definitions for the word ketosis. Dr Atkins defines it as burning fat for fuel period.
your stix define it by concentration of just one type of ketone body being expelled in your urine.
they are not the same. any use of either body fats or dietary fats gets you to Atkins ketosis regardless of what the concnetration of excess amounts of one body type of ketone at the time that urine was produced.

fireflyfaster · 05-05-2009, 12:46 PM

2big,

Well, your reply certainly motivated me to do my homework!

No, actually I am talking only of ketosis as described by Atkins, and using the Ketostix as he recommends for "determining, some quantitatively, the presence of ketone bodies in the urine, thus heralding fat breakdown. They are available under the names of Lipostix, designed for low-carbohydrate dieters, or Ketostix, designed to warn of ketoacidosis in diabetics. However, both are quite serviceable as lipolysis testing strips." (emphasis mine, DANDR, 1999 Wholecare Health reprint.)

So, while I see your point, that Ketostix measure acetoacetic acid and that it's possible to excrete ketone body by-products other than that, my question was whether one ought to stay in mild to moderate ketosis during induction. And, as Shari pointed out, nope, it doesn't matter.

I should have re-read my DANDR before I posted.

busyme · 05-09-2009, 04:06 PM

personally, I have been in mild ketosis for 4 weeks lost 10 lbs and gained back 6...I know the 6 is a fluke, I have not cheated even one taste...frustating at best. Anything ya all learn pass it on please. thanx and good luck.

fireflyfaster · 05-09-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by busyme

personally, I have been in mild ketosis for 4 weeks lost 10 lbs and gained back 6...I know the 6 is a fluke, I have not cheated even one taste...frustating at best. Anything ya all learn pass it on please. thanx and good luck.

That would frustrate the heck out of me. Right now I'm immune, as I have no scale. I'm a pound-watching FOOL when I have a scale. And I think I'm getting a Wii Fit for Mother's Day, and I think it has ... a scale.

Congrats on the over-100 pounds lost though...I see that and I know that you'll stay the course.

waterlily · 05-09-2009, 07:34 PM

I don't rely on the stix as far as the "level" goes -- Being higher than trace or small usually just means you're not drinking enough water. Mine are always the darkest in the morning after I've been sleeping all night. If I test during the day, they're never more than trace. I drink fluids like a crazy woman while I'm awake. In fact, my incessant thirst is how I know I'm in ketosis. The stix are just for kix

busyme · 05-11-2009, 03:52 PM

fireflyfaster...thanks for that. the scale has finally budged the 6 lbs back off and 3 pair of jeans were voted into the out box yesterday. My DD is my fashion advisor and does not allow "funny" looking clothes on mom. Best of luck to everyone.

fireflyfaster · 05-11-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by busyme

My DD is my fashion advisor and does not allow "funny" looking clothes on mom. Best of luck to everyone.

Good lord, your three year old makes fashion observations? I've got far less time than I thought. My daughter is also three.

And this emoticon is just because she's watching me type this and insists I have to include it:

busyme · 05-12-2009, 06:08 AM

oops, not the 3yr old the 14 yr old...sorry about that. But yes the 3 yr old can be silly about it too.

05-05-2009, 12:05 AM	#1
fireflyfaster Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Southern CA Posts: 1,976 Gallery: fireflyfaster Stats: 234/150 5'9 BMI 22 WOE: Atkins Maintenance Start Date: 4/20/09 - Met Goal April 2010	Any reason to rein in heavy ketosis during Induction? Halfway through my "by the book" Induction, my Ketostix are consistently showing at about 80, or "heavy" ketosis (but not the 160 "very heavy" reading.) I'm eating allowed foods to full and measuring and consuming my max allotment of greens and veggies, so I don't have a lot of latitude to slow it down without adding non-induction quantities of carbs, and I really don't want to. Is there any reason I can't go on in heavy ketosis? I ask because I vaguely recollect reading that moderate was best and slight was perfectly acceptable.

05-05-2009, 12:46 PM	#4
fireflyfaster Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Southern CA Posts: 1,976 Gallery: fireflyfaster Stats: 234/150 5'9 BMI 22 WOE: Atkins Maintenance Start Date: 4/20/09 - Met Goal April 2010	2big, Well, your reply certainly motivated me to do my homework! No, actually I am talking only of ketosis as described by Atkins, and using the Ketostix as he recommends for "determining, some quantitatively, the presence of ketone bodies in the urine, thus heralding fat breakdown. They are available under the names of Lipostix, designed for low-carbohydrate dieters, or Ketostix, designed to warn of ketoacidosis in diabetics. However, both are quite serviceable as lipolysis testing strips." (emphasis mine, DANDR, 1999 Wholecare Health reprint.) So, while I see your point, that Ketostix measure acetoacetic acid and that it's possible to excrete ketone body by-products other than that, my question was whether one ought to stay in mild to moderate ketosis during induction. And, as Shari pointed out, nope, it doesn't matter. I should have re-read my DANDR before I posted. __________________ Goals: * Bodyfat % < 23.5 by April 1; < 23 by July 1; < 22.5 by Oct. 1; < 22 by Dec. 31 * Appreciating those that I love each and every day Losing/lost your last 10 or 10%? Join us in the Maintain Lane

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05-05-2009, 03:27 AM	#2
PghPALady1974 Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: PITTSBURGH PA Posts: 4,486 Gallery: PghPALady1974 WOE: thru my mouth	[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Ketosis is ketosis. Don't worry about levels. It doesn't matter if you are light pink or darkest purple. Don't let those pee sticks rule you. [/COLOR]

05-05-2009, 10:31 AM	#3
2big4mysize Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 8,307 Gallery: 2big4mysize Stats: 313 to current goalie 169-173 WOE: Atkins 2002 Start Date: june 1 2002	you are using two very different definitions for the word ketosis. Dr Atkins defines it as burning fat for fuel period. your stix define it by concentration of just one type of ketone body being expelled in your urine. they are not the same. any use of either body fats or dietary fats gets you to Atkins ketosis regardless of what the concnetration of excess amounts of one body type of ketone at the time that urine was produced.

05-09-2009, 04:06 PM	#5
busyme Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 462 Gallery: busyme Stats: 268/159/145 WOE: Atkins Start Date: 06/05/07 restart	personally, I have been in mild ketosis for 4 weeks lost 10 lbs and gained back 6...I know the 6 is a fluke, I have not cheated even one taste...frustating at best. Anything ya all learn pass it on please. thanx and good luck.

05-09-2009, 07:34 PM	#7
waterlily Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 82 Gallery: waterlily Stats: 248/197/148 WOE: Atkins Start Date: 1/18/09	I don't rely on the stix as far as the "level" goes -- Being higher than trace or small usually just means you're not drinking enough water. Mine are always the darkest in the morning after I've been sleeping all night. If I test during the day, they're never more than trace. I drink fluids like a crazy woman while I'm awake. In fact, my incessant thirst is how I know I'm in ketosis. The stix are just for kix

05-11-2009, 03:52 PM	#8
busyme Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 462 Gallery: busyme Stats: 268/159/145 WOE: Atkins Start Date: 06/05/07 restart	fireflyfaster...thanks for that. the scale has finally budged the 6 lbs back off and 3 pair of jeans were voted into the out box yesterday. My DD is my fashion advisor and does not allow "funny" looking clothes on mom. Best of luck to everyone.

05-12-2009, 06:08 AM	#10
busyme Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 462 Gallery: busyme Stats: 268/159/145 WOE: Atkins Start Date: 06/05/07 restart	oops, not the 3yr old the 14 yr old...sorry about that. But yes the 3 yr old can be silly about it too.