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[2big4mysize]

Lora I ate Atkins and lifted and added 11 pounds of muscle mass doing the BFL plan back in 03 while dropping just 4 pounds of scale weight. We have excess protein above the growth and repair needs built into that Atkins 30% of cals protein intake.

There is a UConn study done of guys eating Atkins without any exercise that showed they increased muscle mass just from the food consumption. they didn't gain weight just muscle mass and actually lost body fat too. The study dispelled the notion we can't make muslce tissue while losing body fat.

[willyd]

No shakes real food.

[Prozak]

This is such a hurdle I am trying to cross with my hubby.... when he lost 40lbs 4 years ago, he was at a weight where the LAST time he was at that weight he was 20 years old and quite active and VERY muscular.

So this time around he was not as bulked up as he was back then, and we both thought he looked really thin.. and he blamed muscle loss.

I tried to explain to him that he is not doing (activities, manual labor) what he used to do when he was 20... and he is not going to have the same type of muscle bulk he did, so at that same weight he WOULD look thinner, and it was NOT lost muscle.

I appreciate the turn this thread took... it gives me the tools I need to maybe convince my hubby that his muscles are FINE if he wants them BIGGER he needs to WORK at it.


BTW, I am understanding that our lean body weight x .6 will give us the amount of protein needed to maintain our muscle mass and not have any left over to be converted to glucose (as long as we are getting SOME form of carbs..)

This chart Body Mass Index Calculator and Waist Measurement tells me that at 190lbs and 5'3" my lean body mass is 109lbs X .6 = 65 grams of protein a day.

Would you concur with that 2big??

[MsBlondeGRIT]

Hey Jim! I see you are from MS, I am a MS girl I thought you looked familiar (maybe I saw you in the meat department somewhere haha).

Your menu looks so good, btw, today I have been eating yummy. Scrambled eggs in real butter, sunflower seeds, swiss cheese wrapped in Wrights bacon, walnuts mixed with feta cheese...DIVINE! And they call this a diet? I usually live on Lean Cuisines and Smart Ones so this is like being at a luxury spa

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by Prozak

This is such a hurdle I am trying to cross with my hubby.... when he lost 40lbs 4 years ago, he was at a weight where the LAST time he was at that weight he was 20 years old and quite active and VERY muscular.

So this time around he was not as bulked up as he was back then, and we both thought he looked really thin.. and he blamed muscle loss.

I tried to explain to him that he is not doing (activities, manual labor) what he used to do when he was 20... and he is not going to have the same type of muscle bulk he did, so at that same weight he WOULD look thinner, and it was NOT lost muscle.

I appreciate the turn this thread took... it gives me the tools I need to maybe convince my hubby that his muscles are FINE if he wants them BIGGER he needs to WORK at it.


BTW, I am understanding that our lean body weight x .6 will give us the amount of protein needed to maintain our muscle mass and not have any left over to be converted to glucose (as long as we are getting SOME form of carbs..)

This chart Body Mass Index Calculator and Waist Measurement tells me that at 190lbs and 5'3" my lean body mass is 109lbs X .6 = 65 grams of protein a day.

Would you concur with that 2big??

for a high carber that would work but a low carber will be using protein in the diet to generate that glucose supply talked about earlier.

if DH wants to bulk up he will need more prteoin then just maintnenace amounts.

[willyd]

let me get this straight i dont need starchey carbs after a workout like oatmeal.Because i want to gain as much muscle as i can.The protein will convert in to glycogen and fill my muscles is that right?I told you i get confussed easy.Here is a diet that was recomended to me by a bodybuilder.Breakfast cottagecheese-after workout starchy carb-meal 3 eggs bacon and veggies-meal 4somekind of meat with veggies.About 500 calories a piece.IM so CONFUSSED i just want to gain muscle and lose my fat as fast as possible to feel better about myself HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

[hummingbird11]

that is great news to me!! thanks for sharing!! what is BFL?

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

The study dispelled the notion we can't make muslce tissue while losing body fat.

[2big4mysize]

the folk you are talking to don't know what they are telling you as the carbs after worklout is to get insulin levels up to rush protein inside the muscles not replace the glycogen stores. The chemical needed to store glucose as glycogen is deactivated during low ATP ( energy untis) when glucose burning is going on which right after a heavy lifting workout everybody would be in.


Are you wanting to add lean mass to inprove metabolism or to bulk up like a powerlifter?are you going to do 3 hours a day in the gym like the lifters do and cardio too everyday? if so you might need more carbs as part of your Atkins. in chapter 14 Dr Atkins tells us vigours exercise folk will have a higher critical carbohydrate level for losing. back before I became the caregiver for my AD Mother which is like watching a 2 yr old in an adult body I spent 90 mins 3 days a week in the gym lifting and 60 mins 3 days week doing HIIT treadmilling eating over 100 net (yep net as in total minus fiber)grams of carbs shedding body fat and adding lean body tissue.

You can low carb and add lean tissue the doc from that UCONN study is now the "expert" on some muscle mags and wrote a book about adding weight training to low carbing to "shred" fat and grow muscles based on his studies of Atkins eating.

[hummingbird11]

Long story, but I've been aiming for 50% fat; 45% protein; 5% carbs.

Would I have quicker weight loss w/ 65% fat; 30% protein; 5% carbs?

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

We have excess protein above the growth and repair needs built into that Atkins 30% of cals protein intake.

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by hummingbird11

that is great news to me!! thanks for sharing!! what is BFL?

Body for Life by Bill Phillips



Jeff Volek did the studies and here is an article he wrote about carbs not being needed after workout for muscle building


willyd if you google his name and low carb muscle building you may find an exerpt from his book where he has folk low carbing working out but also supplements it with casein protein and in 12 weeks has them shedding 20 pounds and adding 12 pounds of muscles of course those where young males

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by hummingbird11

Long story, but I've been aiming for 50% fat; 45% protein; 5% carbs.

Would I have quicker weight loss w/ 65% fat; 30% protein; 5% carbs?

at 45% protein you got a lot of glucose contruction going on which uses energy BUT it also needs insulin to burn the glucose and insulin is a fat storing hormone so you can lower your protein and lower your insulin levles and see. why not do 2 weeks Atkins induction and see what happens. be sure to use a tpe measure before you start too so you can see the body fat leaving.

[willyd]

I just want to lose weight fat and look lean not like a bodybuilder more like brad pitt in fight club lean and cut .how do i achieve this 2big4mysize i think you know what you are talking about so how do i get there?stick to Atkins induction and lift heavy what do you suggest?

[hummingbird11]

Thanks 2Big, this is a little over my head; not sure I fully understand

but my goals are to add LBM to improve metabolism AND lose body fat
I lost so much LBM during my 50 lbs weight loss during chemo a few years ago - it REALLY messed me up & caused me to gain back more weight than I started with and way too quickly when I resumed normal eating a year later.

Me, 3-hours per day in the gym??

I have a small home gym downstairs (pieced together courtesy of Craigslist) and I do the following:

HIIT elliptical approx 3x's per week
Steady State elliptical 1x per week
upper body strength training 3x's per week

I really need to add ab work and/or Callanetics but I just haven't yet.

am I doing enough?
also, I re-started Induction today.

YES!!
You can low carb and add lean tissue the doc from that UCONN study is now the "expert" on some muscle mags and wrote a book about adding weight training to low carbing to "shred" fat and grow muscles based on his studies of Atkins eating.

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

the folk you are talking to don't know what they are telling you as the carbs after workout is to get insulin levels up to rush protein inside the muscles not replace the glycogen stores. The chemical needed to store glucose as glycogen is deactivated during low ATP (energy untis) when glucose burning is going on which right after a heavy lifting workout everybody would be in.

Are you wanting to add lean mass to inprove metabolism or to bulk up like a powerlifter? are you going to do 3 hours a day in the gym like the lifters do and cardio too everyday? if so you might need more carbs as part of your Atkins. in chapter 14 Dr Atkins tells us vigours exercise folk will have a higher critical carbohydrate level for losing. back before I became the caregiver for my AD Mother which is like watching a 2 yr old in an adult body I spent 90 mins 3 days a week in the gym lifting and 60 mins 3 days week doing HIIT treadmilling eating over 100 net (yep net as in total minus fiber)grams of carbs shedding body fat and adding lean body tissue.

You can low carb and add lean tissue the doc from that UCONN study is now the "expert" on some muscle mags and wrote a book about adding weight training to low carbing to "shred" fat and grow muscles based on his studies of Atkins eating.

[hummingbird11]

You read my mind as this is exactly what I decided (yesterday) to do today! I did Induction for 3 weeks (3/24 to mid April) and lost 12 lbs. Is it just as successful each time we do it?

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

at 45% protein you got a lot of glucose contruction going on which uses energy BUT it also needs insulin to burn the glucose and insulin is a fat storing hormone so you can lower your protein and lower your insulin levles and see. why not do 2 weeks Atkins induction and see what happens. be sure to use a tpe measure before you start too so you can see the body fat leaving.

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by hummingbird11

You read my mind as this is exactly what I decided (yesterday) to do today! I did Induction for 3 weeks (3/24 to mid April) and lost 12 lbs. Is it just as successful each time we do it?

no cause you have less body fat to lose each time. if you are 100 pounds over weight 10 pounds lost for you is the exact same change for somebody losing 1 pound who needed to lose 1 pound.

Some folk need to build up a supply of carrier molecules, co enzymes, and even grow more mitochondria to be able to do heavy lifting on induction levels but other can brezze right thourgh it so see how you feel if you are tired take a break drink some water and allow your body to build more fuel for the next set. As you make the transition you will be amazed at your new energy levels since you want to grow/repair tissues you might need some other factors added to your diet from the supplement counter so you might want to check out Jeff's book or at least an excerpt from it.

[willyd]

2big4mysize do you think i need to have at least 10grams of veggie carbs a day so i at least get some carbs?And i checked out jeffs site and he has a book tnt might be good.Thanks for your time

[LoraJR72]

Originally Posted by willyd

No shakes real food.

Yes, but according to my nutritionist (who has experience in the Fitness industry) stated that in order to get in the extra protein I need would be to drink a protein shake: First thing in the morning, right after my workout, and before bed in addition three whole-food meals.

By the way, it was suggested I not eat whole grains and cheese for the next couple of weeks and I don't believe the food is low-carb considering I'm eating sweet potatoes, etc.

[2big4mysize]

How much protein does she have you consuming and we have to remeber as you posted in another topic you are coming off an ED so you are special in your fix you up eating right now.

once you get fixed your protein needs might drop back down some.


sweet potatoes minus all the fixings are a great food and low carb legal in Atkins OWL

[Jim_1970]

Originally Posted by MsBlondeGRIT

Hey Jim! I see you are from MS, I am a MS girl I thought you looked familiar (maybe I saw you in the meat department somewhere haha).

Your menu looks so good, btw, today I have been eating yummy. Scrambled eggs in real butter, sunflower seeds, swiss cheese wrapped in Wrights bacon, walnuts mixed with feta cheese...DIVINE! And they call this a diet? I usually live on Lean Cuisines and Smart Ones so this is like being at a luxury spa

Hi MsBlondeGRIT, hope your doing well. I am from MS, from the Delta..You know where that is? Good luck on your low carb eating. Your menu sounds good too. Talk to ya later

Jim

[Shonmarie]

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